Trading in 1v1 (Low Elo Legends)

Are Trade Carts for combat?
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[@Plafintarr]

23:02 Average person: When I started learning Spanish, I struggled with the grammar. T90: When I started learning Spanish, I loved how much gold I saved on the blacksmith upgrades.

[@minikawildflower]

When T90 asks "what do you get from Imp" I think a lot of lower ELO players (including myself!) often focus on getting to Imp as a sort of end goal ... get to Imp first and then win. It can be hard to remember that you have the option to kill your enemy before Imp, and harder to execute without the easy strategy of "make trebs to kill everything"

[@supliiiiiieeeeees]

This was an excellent comment. I play goths. Imp is needed for spam goals. Here, I didn't even know what spanish got in Imp. Lol!! Besides trebs, cavalier, and elite. 11!

[@kR-qj7rw]

imp into gg the lel death trap

[@whythefuckdowehavethisherenow]

I think most people feel that Imp is the "most fun" to win in. Hence why it's popular with lowelo - and I don't disagree. Nothing like having a full rank of great looking units (props to the artists of both the original sprites and the new 3d-->2d sprites) and winning in style.

[@LoveOfMules13]

I saw the title and thought this might actually be a recent ranked 1v1 game where I sneakily traded with my opponent's abandoned market. Turns out he didn't even know it was possible to trade with an opponent.

[@kuzya12]

So you can?!! Sweet

[@LoveOfMules13]

​@@kuzya12 Definitely. In team games you can even trade with the markets and docks of opponents who have dropped out of the game. It can actually be useful from time to time.

[@lunaria3710]

@@LoveOfMules13 damm didnt know you can trade with enemies, kinda make the market more useful, though still in 1v1 scenario trade cards is just gonna die instantly lol

[@RennieAsh]

@@lunaria3710 plus enemy can always delete the market lol

[@philipped.r.6385]

@@kuzya12 I often leave my enemies' markets standing after defeating them because they are often farther to me than my allies to make even more money with my trade carts! :D

[@bigsmoke4592]

i always wanted an open map with neutral markets! it's a whole new dimension added to the late game and makes more parts of the map important! (also going from handcannons back to javelins is so anti-climactic)

[@raidarthegunwizard4520]

I know the perfect name for new map: Bazaar. Bazaar is a market in the Middle Eastern country. Considering Arabia is an open map, I think it's perfect.

[@machete660]

The map aint new

[@Carter-dv4hz]

"new dimension" Literally a normal game but with unlimited gold.

[@RobBCactive]

You're more likely to run into a stalemate though, having to use gold/stone wisely to decide the game adds skill, rather than it being about which civ has the best gold units

[@eRic-hr3yl]

basically AoE4

[@archie2038]

1:28 In Age of Mythology there actually is something like this. You trade with town centers there, your own included which you usually trade with, but if you trade with other player's TCs, enemy or ally, you actually get 50% more gold.

[@yannastra]

I play AoM a lot and i don’t think u can trade with the enemy lol. Also the TC auto attack there so you’d have to put your caravans on passive stance beforehand?

[@archie2038]

@@yannastra hell yeah, someone plays AoM beside me! There's still hope.

[@archie2038]

@@yannastra Nah, I was wrong, it's not possible to trade with enemy in game. Reason I thought it was the case because I saw the bonus trade multiplier separately set for ally, for enemy and for neutral in the game files. Maybe it was one of the cut features.

[@danpower7416]

@@archie2038 I love AoM but returned to AoE2 for now, since there's a lot more "tutorials" and learning ressources for it. So once I've kinda mastered AoE2, I will return to AoM. :D But I'm pretty much looking forward to the Definitive Edition of AoM, tbh I like it even more than AoE2.

[@MagicJuggler]

"He did the Trade Cart Run in under 9 Parsecs"

[@MythicOneOne]

What surprises me most consistently about LEL is just the lack of general awareness of the game's systems. I'll admit, I don't do much MP, I stick to the campaigns, skirmish and user-generated scenarios but whenever I watch a LEL it's like I'm watching someone who just sat down and booted up AOK for the first time. All these mistakes you could learn simply by playing some of the campaigns or polishing your knowledge base in skirm. Though I guess trial by fire is the best way to gain experience.

[@crimson_grog172]

I had the same thought. I was 11 when AoE2 first came out. I played all of the AoK and AoC campaigns and a ton of single player random maps, though I only ever played like 2 multiplayer matches. I knew how the diplomacy window worked, what coinage did, and that docks had a 2nd tab. These players must immediately jump into MP or something, which is more stressful and thus more difficult to learn the systems.

[@Grendich]

but then you see the very same players luring boars to their TC and stuff like that. it's just so weird how one can have learned stuff like this but still be completely oblivious to some of the most basic things.

[@philipped.r.6385]

@@Grendich I noticed the same. They look pretty good at building their economy and going rather quickly through the ages, but as soon as combat starts, they kind of fall appart. They also don't seem to understand the technologies and how the blacksmith's techs are so fundamental to success.

[@praevasc4299]

I'm instead amazed how these low ELO players know about build orders, and can execute dark age build orders quite well, they know about luring the boar (including when and how to do it) etc etc. It's only afterwards where their gameplay starts to look more confused.

[@oooBASTIooo]

Don't forget that you can be stressed out and just forget what you actually know...

[@fabius9600]

The 4 tile gold running out at 26:22 as the first attack comes is a perfect indication of how the mindset of "Grab the far away gold first and keep the close up gold for later" is totally effective at low elo

[@123leviathan123]

This was one of the most physically painful LEL games I've ever seen. Dear God...

[@birisuandrei1551]

But at least we've had SUPPPLIESSSS

[@RadikalAnderWurzel]

I love this series thank you men, i watch every Video!

[@Seb_Semos]

Oh that remind me of a game where my opponent made a market quite forward, I took advantage of it 😂

[@JunSian1001]

I think I watched too much pro players' games. These 600 elo gamers made so many hilarious choices.

[@shivnathkaushaljharon6979]

When t90 say supppliieeeesss I feel like getting Rick rolled 😂💀

[@mikemccarrel1840]

Thanks for all of this, I've played three online games and one my first on the third. Thanks for all this content for beginner players.

[@yhlee1205]

The inability to use the trebs immediately gave me an anneurism

[@ilovemonkeyos]

I always make sure I have my SUPPLIIEEEESS ready before I watch a T90 stream.

[@supliiiiiieeeeees]

I just assumed the identity and went with it. Now I have a video on YT. Lolz! It's so funny watching my horrible decisions and listening to t90 destroy my game play! Hahaha!

[@kuzya12]

He is really bad tho

[@supliiiiiieeeeees]

Awww... it's Low Elo... of course I'm bad! Lol! I play for the lolz. I always play goths on arena if possible. First time playing this map. First time playing Spanish... I think 🤔. I just knew they were good with trade and thought it would be a good idea. 😆

[@noobling8313]

@@supliiiiiieeeeees Great to have you in the game! Just remember: Everyone starts off a LEL, it takes true commitment to stay that way. 👏👏

[@supliiiiiieeeeees]

@@noobling8313 I am committed to that for sure. I'm a clown 🤡. I play arena. I play goths. I mess around. On this, I straight up panicked. Never played as Spanish (to my knowledge) online. Never played marketplace on ANYTHING. Had NO IDEA t90 would cast it. So I just tried to go with the flow. Not a care in the world. Lol! In my "normal" goth arena games, I have delivered relics to opponents if they didn't get any. I have onager cut all the way to them through the woods. Lol! I play for the giggles. T90 knows I'm a talkative goofball. Always preaching that Goths are so OP that pros refuse to play them because it wouldnt be fair. 😆 This was a toss away oddity game that got caught in a cast. Lol! And I loooovvvveee it! Too funny.

[@Marlke]

Experience is the comb we earn after getting bald

[@Porphyrios9856]

Reminds me of a match I had in arena where my opponent AFKd so I let him trade with my market for a bit before resuming the fight.

[@thomac]

The main problem was the tunnel vision in fights. He hasn't learned when to pick a fight and when it's alright to lose units. He sends his units to do some damage and die but doesn't look for an advantage in the fight.

[@EugeneOneguine]

More like the tunnel vision for the entire game. He kept attacking an area where there was literally nothing. Just towers. And he dived repeatedly for that, instead of actually attacking red. It pains me how he chose to focus on these towers and bottom castle, when he could have completely ignore it. They weren't a useful part of the game.

[@bigsmoke4592]

double gold for trades with the enemy market sounds like a fun pirate adventure mechanic

[@sleeplesshollow4216]

i think 600 ELO is the lowest you can go and still see players have a 'gameplan' or at least purpose behind their actions. Like, at this ELO its clear whenever they 'want' to do something, its just they have no idea how to actually do it...but you can see the attempt whereas below 600 ELO it looks like theyre just reacting since the very start, reacting to whatever is around their base...reacting to being pop capped, reacting to the enemy aging up by trying to age up yourself, etc, etc, where they play it like a series of mini-challenges rather than a game if that makes sense

[@birisuandrei1551]

Not me, i used to be under 600 ELO in skill, im not sure how good i am now cause i don't play multiplayer, i get too stressed in competitive games, but i can beat the hard AI which ppl said you have to be like 1000 elo to do, but as a kid i did a lot of sim city building strat enjoying the look 😂 and built towers and walls all over the place, most funny thing being i wouldnt build walls between woodlines because despite units not being able to pass through the forest i didn't like how it looked.

[@JosrRocks]

Yes ! I love low elo it's my fav type of content you upload! Community Games are second :)

[@thanossnap4170]

11:50 "CLEARLY" (TheViper vibes) ^^

[@Hunoa44]

Its such a good map,you can build your market near the neutral one(dont know if neutrals can be converted) and trade boom so quickly,but there is also a danger of opponent being nearby or raiding if its not scouted/outposted :)

[@oooBASTIooo]

If you build your market near the neutral one you make no gold on the trades... You need the distance!

[@hitaeroplane1999]

best series!

[@FilippEXE]

Longer trade cart trips yield more per trip. But I've always been wondering if they actually bring in more money per minute considering that it takes more time to complete each trip

[@supliiiiiieeeeees]

Spirit of the Law has a great trading video. I'm sure this question is addressed.

[@lunaria3710]

This one is just a fun match shenanigan i loove it

[@EricBridges]

I had the distinct pleasure of getting pummeled by SUPPPLIIIIEEESS! the other day. Nearly beat him, with a nice little forward castle drop on arena, but I lost momentum and pretty quickly got swamped by a deathball of huskarls.

[@supliiiiiieeeeees]

What's your name on AoE2? -Supliiiiiieeeeees Also... I ONLY play goths. 11. He got me trying another civ on a map I've never played. Hahaha! I was just trying new things... then t90 saw the game. 😞 lol

[@EricBridges]

@@supliiiiiieeeeees pobopny. It was a fantastic game. Super fun back and forth in that one

[@hirvielain9013]

I'm very annoyed that blue wrote supplies with one p... And I think red had defensive stance as the default for their units. Red's armies idled almost the whole match even though important battles happened right next to them.

[@supliiiiiieeeeees]

I'll fix it eventually.

[@hirvielain9013]

@@supliiiiiieeeeees Thank you! That is all I require.

[@WaffieOwnd]

Poor SUPPPLLIEESS good riddance you complimented him at the end😂

[@Beowulf-sd5gh]

Nerdmode on: "Gaia means "Mother Nature" in old Greek ...

[@Olifantenstaart]

1:27 Trading with the opponent should deduct the amount of gold you take from their stockpile.

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

If there was any enemy trading, it should be beneficial for the one recieving the cart using high trade taxes (optional by diplomacy menu) But there would be a research for BlackMarket to not pay said trade taxes, eventually evening out to normal trade

[@RobBCactive]

That's a decent idea but it's probably more complication to the game than it adds. There's always a risk of losing trade carts so why pay taxes in 1v1 and in diplo games, trading as enemies to boost gold seems to encourage collusion

[@Carter-dv4hz]

Dark map/Night map. +No minimap. +No health bars. +Trees block line of sight.

[@toobles3]

what if the trade carts had to take some resources along to sell then bring the gold back? if it's an opponent's market it's triple the gold value

[@madvtecyo546]

Tried it, you can’t pick up gold until you build your own Market.

[@foundthingsifound]

Haha, terrific !

[@oooBASTIooo]

As an AoE beginner: What's the point of taking pigs 1 by 1? I always put all of them into the TC and the villagers butcher them there...

[@birisuandrei1551]

It would be really balanced if you could steal like... a certain percentage of the other players resources by trading with their market and they'll get a notification saying "you have been robbed!" And they'd have to kill the trade cart to get the resources back before the trade cart reaches its market, it would encourage players to defend their market in non-diplomacy games, i think stealing 2% food & wood and 1% gold and stone per trade cart would be good, if the enemy has 1000 gold thats 10 gold, would also teach players not to bank resources too much if they have no defense, i often see players with 60.000 food in pro games, a single trade cart would take 1.200 food from them 😂

[@Sputnik5790]

LEL big brain move: play a civ that doesn´t have suplies so you can´t click it.

[@jamiethomson7780]

Marketplace should start the game with each player having a market and needing to decide between scouting and trading.

[@ivanstrydom8417]

Spain civ rework NB Kingdom of Aragon Early Medieval Civ Knight+monk civ Crusader (Kite shield+Nasal helm + chainmail) sword and spear infantry,Knights,crossbows, monk, (Reconquista) focus.(Rams + Trebs + siege tower) With a blend of Moorish + Christian European crusader unit skins. Castelio de Lorca or Castelio de la Mota UU castle : Unctioned Knight: Same stats as a cavalier/regular and Paladin/elite but it gains + 2 attack when in the vicinity of a Monk/Missionary. UU Monastery: Missionary (Shared with Castile) Brilliant to use in tandem with Unctioned Knights, to heal them and provide an attack boost. (And to convert enemies) UT1: Inquisition (Monks convert faster) UT2:Men of Asturias/The Order of Calatrava - Knight line gain a slight cost increase but they + Unctioned Knight have an increase in HP as well as +1 melee armour. Civ bonus1:Can create SW/siege tower in feudal age + siege towers are cheaper. Civ bonus2: Builders work 30% faster. Civ bonus3: Blacksmith upgrades don't cost gold. Civ bonus4: Infantry + crossbows exiting a siege tower gain a +1 attack buff for 60 seconds. Team Bonus: Trade units generate +25% gold. Barracks: Champion - Crusader skin : Nasal helm, Kite shield + sword Halb - Crusader skin : Nasal helm, Kite shield + Spear Stable Paladin Hussar (Berber allies skin) AR Crossbow (With Bracer) CA Elite skirm (Berber Allies skin) SW Siege Tower (From feudal age) Siege ram Mangonel Monastery: Monk Missionary Dock: Galion Fast Fire Heavy demo No cannon galleon Full Blacksmith University: Lacks BBT Lacks treadmill crane Wonder: Torre Del Oro Kingdom of Castile. Late Medieval civ Naval,gunpowder,Pike civ With a focus on Conquistadors, cannon galleons, gunboats, halbs and hand cannon. (Pike and shot) (BBC,BBT) 15th century Sword infantry (Plate armour) Exclusively European skins such as the skins in DE3 Spain. Castelio de Bellver or Castelio de Peñafiel. UU:Conquistador UU dock: Gunboat - small single cannon/gun Boat. Somewhat expensive, but powerful boat good at blasting ships from a medium distance. Fire rate and damage between A galleon and cannon galleon , Brilliant for targeting demolition ships , only slightly stronger than galleon anti building damage. Less HP than a galleon but also slightly faster. UU Monastery: Missionary (Shared with Aragon) Castle age Barracks UU Rodelero: Fast-moving sword and buckler infantry Good for countering gunpowder units + pike men + siege + monks. Weak vs Cav, archers,Skirmishers, defensive buildings, sword line. UT1:Spanish Treasure fleets - Gold brought back from the new world help to pay for new Gallions: Gallions gold cost removed. UT2: Tercios (Pike and shot): Pikemen in the vicinity of hand cannoneers gain + 2 attack Civ bonus 1:Age up to Castle age is cheaper. Civ bonus 2: Gunpowder units fire 18% faster. Civ bonus3:Cannon Galleons benefit from Ballistics (fire faster, more accurately). Civ bonus 4:Gain access to Rodelero,Gunboat and Garrochistas Civ bonus 5: BBT are built faster. Team Bonus:Grants Cannon galleon to allies whom do not have it. (Mezzo canoe allies) And grants faster moving cannon galleons to allies whom do have access to them. Barracks: Champion Caudillo Halb - Good against cavalry and buildings. (slight Extra building damage) Castle age UU Rodelero: Fast-moving sword and buckler rapier infantry Good for countering gunpowder units. Upgrades to Espadachins Rodelero deal less damage against infantry and buildings compared to the champion but its high speed and resistance to gunpowder makes them good vs siege and gunpowder , weak vs cavalry,archers, average vs infantry similar to long swordsmen and when upgraded to Espadachins they are similar to two handed swordsmen. Weak anti building damage compared to the champion even with arson. Agile swordsmen with a buckler could better evade the deadly iron of densely packed pikes and could take formations apart from the inside. Thus they are strong vs spear line but are quite weak against skirms. Stable Knight - Garrochistas Spanish lancer (Similar to Cavalier) Very weak to conversions. Slightly stronger vs spear line than a cavalier but much weaker to camel units than a cavalier. . Light cav AR Hand cannoneer Crossbow men (Lacks bracer) Elite skirm (Messo allies skin) SW BBC ram mangonel Monastery: Monk Missionary Dock: UU: Gunboat - small single cannon/gun Boat. Somewhat expensive, but powerful boat good at blasting ships from a medium distance. Fire rate and damage between A galleon and cannon galleon , Brilliant for targeting demolition ships , only slightly stronger than galleon anti building damage. Lacks heavy demo Lacks Fast fire ship Blacksmith Lacks bracer Lacks plate boarding armour University: Lacks Heated Shot Lacks Siege Engineers No Sappers Wonder:Alcázar de Segovia Or Cathedral of Seville

[@nicko978]

If you manage to trade with enemy market, it should just steal their gold outright.

[@danielmunsaka2051]

you know it's low elo when they use the same civ lol

[@ShinjiGetsGrounded]

like a moth to a flame

[@sygmaone]

Gaia is the goddess of Earth btw 🙂

[@archie2038]

Big trees = big like🌳

[@minikawildflower]

Supplies got into the LEL game! RIGGED

[@supliiiiiieeeeees]

Hahaha!

[@charleysaiz]

my boy suppliiiieess struggling w/a different civ...had he played goths, he would have won easily ;)

[@bringmebiscuits711]

gg

[@machete660]

Would feel bad for supplies if he wasnt a goths arena player

[@ronaldrose8222]

GG both! Btw SUPLIIIIIEEEES would have won this if he played GOTH!

[@supliiiiiieeeeees]

❤️🧡💛

[@luiz8755]

painful match

[@boomerthezoomer4127]

MB just refused to take the L

[@Amoth_oth_ras_shash]

nice.. make a 1v1 a bit more interesting as there is trade potential

[@estellebright2579]

Knowing the player is T90 viewer make this match unfun as LEL to me anymore. Turns out watching T90 doesn’t convert people into decent aoe2 players.

[@dedi8517]

do u start with 1k elo?

[@villie86]

You start without ELO. ELO is first calculated after 10 or 20 (forgot) ranked matches. During this time you are matched up against players in the same situation.

[@davidloscutoff445]

Your Elo is not displayed until you have played 10 ranked games, but the game does keep track of it, and it starts at 1000.

[@KaylaJoyGunn]

You start with 2000 elo After 10 games, the computer deducts all lost respect from your father for playing old computer games Whatever is left is your elo

[@dembro27]

SUPPLIES is cool, but I'm rooting for MbLEL.

[@supliiiiiieeeeees]

I'm more partial to Supliiiiiieeeeees, but I think he's out of his element in this one. 😉

[@luminousdragon]

Make it so if your trade with the enemy market they lose resources and you gain them.

[@bohemiancasanova5538]

If blue only used his trebs after reaching Imp and not throw away units for no reason into towers, he would've won so easily.

[@Mitsunari4Gunz]

I remember when LEL were actual legends, now it's just garbage.

[@TheFoyer13]

Age of empires online wasn't that bad. Just a random thought that came to my head.

[@luckygator711]

This is a rerun

[@MLandriganReid]

Blue doesn't win. He a blue noob. also having more gold collectors does not maketh a better economy if you throw all your resources into the thresher of reds defenses

[@kuzya12]

Blue is the worst I ever seen, holy cow tunnel vision lol

[@metallica3556]

god this was such a terrible game from blue's point of view. just learn your lesson man and dont throw away units.

[@markdowse3572]

Trading vs HEISTING ! I like the option. But it should be MORE than DOUBLE, I reckon. Should be 4 x given the risk of immediate death for the trader..... 💀 The thing about map gen that really pisses me off is not the boars, it's when there's only TWO Players, they're almost next to each other. Aaaarrrrggghhh! 😠 Supplies? "She's apples, mate!" Do you know that Aussie expression, T90? 😁 M 🦘🏏😎