Traffic & Jerry Garcia Mr Dear Fantasy

[@jacobkochutin1436]

First time I've heard someone say "a man who needs no introduction" and actually not introduce them😂

[@matthewatwood2581]

Couldn't have if he tried, over the roar of the crowd; but he knew that.

[@mikegee4197]

Was when traffic opened for the Dead. Crowd was deadheads they don't need an introduction

[@perryberman2824]

@@mikegee4197 Thanks. I didn't know that. Explains a lot.

[@dawncain1712]

That was an amazing double billing!!!!

[@sweetjane8195]

Jerry needs no introduction, he Jerry for goodness sake!!! (~);}🤙♥️💀⚡🌹🎶✌️

[@PandaplusMochi]

Where are the children of the 70's? Where have you gone? I just woke up. People were nicer, music was amazing and I want to go home, but the music never stopped.

[@DrawingsMadeFun]

We're still here.. don't worry❤❤🎉🎉😂😂😊😊

[@JaneMcClintic-im2yj]

I'm here, just saw Steve last Tuesday, awesome concert, I to wonder where all the love went. I still have it.❤❤❤❤

[@desertswo]

A lot of people don't realize what a great guitarist Steve is because they've got visions of him at 15 sitting at that B-3 singing "I'm A Man" or whatever, but man he has some scary chops on the six-string. I've been a huge fan of Clapton for more than 40 years, but I saw their tour together in 2009 and Steve gave as good as he got when he and Eric traded riffs. A true wild talent. His kind don't come along very often.

[@jscotthales]

Also an amazing songwriter and singer, too, obviously!

[@billgaudio5436]

Totally agree....known as a keyboardist but a GREAT guitar player

[@kylekhaos9941]

10 YRS AGO BUT STILL CORRECT

[@live1poem]

Fronting for Slowhand didn't let Stevie glisten very brightly.

[@LudiCrust.]

Oh I agree 100% I saw them together and noticed the same thing. On another note it’s sad as hell seeing Jerry Garcia in this condition. He was such a special musician in his prime. Heroin is evil.

[@voidgazerwisco]

Beautiful jam. I love the smile on Jerry's face!

[@andrecartier8126]

One of my best trips ever , purple micro-dot .watched huge notes flying from them past me .I kept turning around watching those music notes drift away.Great concert.

[@mr.knowitall6440]

Was this a Vegas show?

[@juliushanak5818]

@@mr.knowitall6440 Hey I saw them in Vegas it was incredible!

[@photobuzz]

Settle down, Beavis.

[@robertthompson3941]

Jerry IS (STILL) LEGENDARY!

[@fantasticalice]

My personal very favorite, purple microdot. Those were the days, never to be repeated. So many of us are dead.

[@matthewatwood2581]

Took me out of my gloom, I can tell you that. I'm in the midst of the worst time in my life. Listening to this filled me with hope & gratitude. Now I have a song in my heart.

[@JamNTekInc.]

hope you are ok dude

[@dankjay6902]

Hope things are much better! Would love to share music with you if you want.

[@samfulford1964]

Hang in there brother

[@JaneMcClintic-im2yj]

Oh I hear you thankyou Mr Fantasy.

[@jimmyjames7941]

Are you in a better place?

[@jbraun60176]

Wish Winwood and Garcia had been in a group together or at least made an album. These are probably my 2 all time favorite musicians. This is pure magic.

[@905if6was9]

About 2 minutes in, it was obvious that this would be great...then it kept getting better. Thank you Mr. Garcia. Thank you Mr. Winwood. And thanks for posting this.

[@wiscogreenchick]

I WAS THERE AND IT WAS FABULOUS ❤️⚡️💙

[@DrPatrickLynch]

Totally awesome!!! Great to see Jerry smiling. He was loving it. He loves this song. Thank you for sharing.

[@tagaudi]

Two of the most beloved musicians on the planet, surrounded by people who love and respect them

[@dougpotoksky5415]

The master of voice Stevie- The master of guitar- Jerry. Plus one the greatest songs ever written. Dancing everywhere. This is life! RIP. Jerry is not the only one we have lost in this band!

[@bjdugan19136]

Dude, I was so glad to read your comments today. Every time I start watching Jerry videos I break out in tears. Tears of joy, sadness,happiness, and I just can't explain it to anyone. His guitar playing just makes me feel all warm and at home. It's been 18 years for God's sake and I'm still crying.....

[@dankjay6902]

Shedding a tear right now 😢

[@kylekhaos9941]

AMEN

[@randy95023]

Spencer Davis Group, Blind Faith, Traffic... Steve Winwood goes all the way back to 1963 when he was a Lad of 15 years. Seeing him on stage with Jerry just plain rocks my world! RIP-Jerry

[@jackiewilliams4703]

Absolutely. I love all of those groups. I love jerry as well as The Grateful Dead. I most certainly hope that Jerry is resting in peace.

[@mulemouse]

Some psychedelic generated sounds to take us out of this gloom.

[@francoisraphaelhelstone3549]

How about Jim Capaldi,the drummer?! Great musician!!

[@pelotasdad]

randy95023 well, i go all the way back to 1960, but winwood has me beat in the music department.... and the cool department....

[@guitarplayer2846]

Has Clapton ever shared a stage with Garcia? Their very different players with very different styles. I'd like to hear how they blend.. If anybody knows of a KZbin vid with Clapton and Garcia together, please message me. I haven't located one.

[@brendaswingle3497]

I was actually born on July 9th, 1995, the Grateful Dead's last concert

[@jeanhartely]

I am one of those children, grew up on old jazz and Jerry. We are still here, and so are you. Occupy Wall Street. The music never does stop, and we are still here. We've never left!!

[@for_your_entertainment]

Wonderful! Oh jerry, you are so talented. So grateful you were able to play with these guys! It sounded fantastic!!!

[@edwardparker6166]

Jerry was a brilliant musician. His style and tone are undeniable..........He and Traffic nailed this tune.

[@AdaptEdgeInstatute]

Edward Parker its 2018 i cried hearing this... nothing and never ever will be this music

[@johnmcminn9455]

Jerry is creative genius

[@hughbo52]

Jerry certainly added flair to one of the sweetest songs to come from that era...and to last well into today.

[@debrabrocato2989]

This brings back memories of a lifetime!

[@sugapablo]

One of my favorite vocalists and one of me favorite guitarists. :) I saw them together at Buckeye Lake that year. Awesome!

[@si12volt1]

a very different time in life grateful i had the chance to experience the 60s 70s so so much talent

[@andywolf5403]

Just great! Hard to imagine almost 20 years have gone by since Captain Trips died. Miss him:( Winwood is so crispy on solos.

[@umpthingdifferent]

Jerry gave everything to music and it cost him his life forever GRATEFUL thank you RIP 💜

[@michaelhunter1093]

any time JG was onstage, there was joy in the air we need him now more than ever

[@cmcahill1]

michael hunter ABSOLUTELY

[@carrieberry8846]

Right on. Miss him so, and try to live the tradition.

[@1stp4ward]

Jerry gives a lot to this masterpiece by Traffic. Thanks.

[@tomcedergren2032]

The soul in Garcia that pours out of that instrument wow to say the least

[@asherzeiger9490]

This version gives me goosebumps, it's so wonderful!

[@richardk1757]

This song came on the radio shortly after I learned my Dad had died in an RV accident (87). I turned it up loud so the neighbors wouldn't hear me bawling. And I felt like the lyrics applied to him.

[@TheTinyAutistsGuideToTheGalaxy]

They did apply to him.

[@peterdorais2487]

I'm right there with you, bud.

[@ccSkydog]

Sorry for your loss... my dad passed 2 years ago..but not tragically in any unexpected way. I'm sure that must've sucked. My condolances.

[@bluesriot2]

very sorry to hear about your papa

[@mm171]

Richard Killian so sorry about your Dad’,,, continue today love his memory

[@happyirish65]

i was at this show....many good memories.....who would have thunk a year later the fat man would rock no more...R.I.P. Jerry thank you...

[@scottbrady7499]

it is my 53rd birthday. I worked hard ALL day. and got home and prepared myself something DECENT to have for dinner. I was in the mood for welcome to the canteen, and stumbled across THIS! i cannot fu**ing believe it. what a wonderful birthday present this REALLY IS. the good lord above has a certain amount of mercy, for some of us creatures, I tell you- wow. magnificent. thank the good lord. take it easy, everyone, happy memorial day.

[@michaelmathews9170]

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[@absolutelypositively]

An excellent version if there ever was one. I remember the GD killing it on Dear Mr Fantasy in Hampton spring tour 87. Its nice to see Jer killing it 7 years later and a year before he died. I love how they close the song Traffic style. Back in college we'd spend Friday night's dosing and listening to Traffic, Dead, Zappa, Airplane, Love, Hendrix....needless to say we'd be up all night with a constant mind blower going.

[@BullittKid08]

Happy Birthday!

[@robmay3705]

65 is the best (year 2b born)n

[@quizfan1]

Brother 52 this year, Grew up India and have the same exact feeling as you did. Thank you for the wonderful articulation. Amazing that classic rock straddling across multiple generations, multiple cultures and continents can still unite us as one. Peace, my friend. God bless you..

[@kraut5011]

I feel fortunate to have run across this video. It was worth it to see Jerry again. RIP Jerry Garcia.

[@scottmollan8904]

The perfect song for these two to humm together. Great vibes. 70's cool.

[@georgestevens1502]

Fantastic rendition of this classic Traffic song. Rare slide work by Jerry (outside of his pedal steel work of course). Winwood shined with lead lines on guitar. The harmonica player was excellent. Like this as much, or more, as the album rendition. Interview clips afterwards excellent and a real treat.

[@hudois]

This is genuine shivers down the backbone territory! Steve's voice sounds even more soulful here than it does on the original 1967 album version...if it were at all possible!!

[@alanforehand]

Ditto that. Goosebumps often to this tune

[@69DABEACH]

I often play a whole concert on my laptop while I sleep and came across this and started to catch my attention after a couple minutes and restarted it. I realized I was at this concert 12th row center! Brought me back to such a great time.... THANKS FOR SHARING

[@dawgrules1]

118 degrees ~ I was there all three days! This was the best pairing of all the UNLV shows by far Caught Dead in Traffic

[@cattywampusjake2994]

Photon trap good on you i got more miles in space than an apollo mission but i'm f'n jealous!

[@kevinpackard]

Someone posted that this concert was in Vegas, July '94. If so, I was there! SO bitter-sweet listening to The Dead. In 1994, I thought I knew exactly who I was and where I was going. Career on track. Steady GF of 6 years. Great friends. Not a care in the world. We hit every Dead show within 500 miles of Los Angeles in my VW bus. One year later my career was in shambles, GF gone, and Jerry was gone. It took 6 months of bumming around Europe before I took some personal stock. I came back to the U.S., resurrected my career, met the love of my life, and started a family. But I will always associate the music of Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead with that joyful and carefree period in my life. Thanks for posting.

[@andymammoser2089]

lucky to see jerry on stage! fuckin life man! Through the ups and the downs the good music will always help you through it!

[@kevinpackard]

Amen brother. I used to play the Dead nonstop, but at this point I save them for special times.

[@danrease7505]

I was at the Vegas shows in 1994! So damn hot unreal but the Traffic Band really laid it out and the venue though hot was really nice. It was 116 the entire weekend. Second hottest place on Earth that weekend but we made it through. I recently recovered a lot shirt I sold during hard times of the Vegas shows because I went hunting them down after hearing the new Dead and Company who by the way have just announced Summer Tour 2017!!!

[@Chi2SC]

I was there also! It was great!

[@BlueSardinia75]

The great wonders of rock history!!

[@jameshutchison549]

My last 3 were at Tinley Park, IL. Great Shows, The Dear Mr Fantasy shook my soul.

[@melissabirch459]

I really miss Jerry

[@andywolf5871]

Almost 20 years gone. Luckily his ghost is everywhere.

[@mikerutecky7531]

amen

[@PandaplusMochi]

1994 I moved back to California from Minnesota. I should have caught this show. The Alpine shows and soldiers field were great back then! I miss those high times. Brings one back to the 70's hearing this. People had much more peace and love, lets all continue the tradition. Cathy Herrmann

[@GSRJosh33]

That was super! Thanks for sharing it with us. Goosebumps for sure!

[@joanncubberly2196]

I'm old...like 61 yrs...however in the HELL that happened...but this video makes me happy. I've always loved Jerry Garcia and I've always loved Steve Winwood. plan on them delivering thru my headphones at whatever Hospice I end up in. lol. Shine on you crazy diamonds!!

[@georgejohnson1124]

Look at all those Freaks and Heads! Damn, you can hear the "Grateful Dead" in Jerry's guitar!

[@billphipps453]

fun song to play ! Steve is great musician...guitar and keys and singer... lucky I got to see him w clapton... great show.

[@roo7227]

What a great, underrated band Traffic is.. A really, really good band..

[@RoccoFlamefart]

Listening to stuff like this is the closest I ever come to a religious experience.

[@andrenewcomb3708]

@Burr Anderson Measure.

[@andrenewcomb3708]

An interesting thing about "measure our pain" is that he was married to Yoko and Yoko is a name of a famous (to the Japanese) poet. Poems are 'alpha & omega' . . . words . . . "I am alpha & omega . . ." . . . Jesus. Oops! Oh, well.

[@wisedyes]

greateststoryevertold.org/grateful_dead.html

[@squidslice8384]

the energy of nature can be channeled in the most amazing things if we are open to it .these musicians ARE CHANNELS FOR THE ENERGY THAT could be conceived as "god" ….or something like that ,,,more dabs

[@14moldyhamsandwich]

Bruce try hiking

[@davidlist7507]

Steve Windwood the same as 40 years ago, Wow!!!

[@KKEVSTERR]

Thank you for posting....awesome.

[@IraHayesIraHayes]

You can tell they were all excited to have Jerry onstage with them...ahh, the Golden Years...carpe diem, folks.

[@magiceyes530]

At my age, 20yo i hope i will find someone who love like me this type of music! I love it!!

[@tomprice3258]

Jerry was smiling and having fun. Nice to see. RIP Jerry!

[@brainfreeze9653]

Saw them for 2 days at RFK stadium for this tour. Traffic was better than the Dead and I LOVE the Dead. Seen them 35 times. They opened and friends of mine didn't want to be bothered. I was like "BUT IT'S TRAFFIC !!! Stadium was about 1/4 full. Sat down on the field about 25 yards from the stage. 2nd day they played an acoustic set and played "John Barleycorn". Best moment of my year. Been listening to that album that my older brother brought home when it came out. NEVER thought I'd get a chance to see that. 20 years had gone by since its release by that time.

[@brainfreeze9653]

Didn't realize I already posted this !

[@marKism69]

Great pairing. Stevie's vocals are always epic - and Garcia's guitar playing, unmistakable.

[@chamicels]

I was there. I was the one hitting the balloon in the air. AWESOME concert!

[@lisapfeifferyork9219]

Love steve winwood great guitar and lyrics one of my favorites

[@lisamcmullin9618]

One of the best songs of all times! I was in 9th grade when I first heard it back in the day. Makes me proud that as such a young girl I had such good taste in music. Young people today have no idea of what music is supposed to sound like. Sad!

[@avi_s0ncin0]

Im 15, ma’am!? 😅🤣 I love all ‘good’ music, in fact people call me a music snob, and I’m not afraid to say I know more classic rock ‘trivia’ than most ‘boomers’ but yeah, I mostly agree with you.

[@amuseraynow]

It's awesome to see Jerry smiling like that.

[@lalaniathielen8917]

Look at that smile on Jerry's face! It's everything that makes anything OK... It's like my faith... Jerry's my vessel to God, righteousness, benevolence and PEACE, Lalania Lee thielen, first Dead show, didn't even know they were in town, Man, someone has a plan, that's for damn sure, and Honestly I am Grateful! Xoxo

[@lalaniathielen8917]

Yes yes y'all

[@aileenmv5774]

Good to see the smile...the rest of his face, a man drowning in addiction. To me, these times are bitter sweet. Its rockin version for sure. But I'd trade this and all other jams for Jerry in good health.

[@bob733333]

I was dosed hard behind the sound mixer. Sunday Traffic set was EPIC. Chicago.

[@brianwalendy3735]

This was the year before that I believe

[@herbythechef7624]

Dosed is high on lsd.

[@Lengo67]

I was at this concert. This was taped in Las Vegas. It was in August! IT WAS SO DAMN HOT, a camel passed out in the parking lot, and it was a Hippie camel! Traffic opened for Garcia. Their last song was You Can All Join In. EVERYBODY was on their feet despite how hot it was! This was taped later during Garcia's set. Steve Winwood came out to sing this with Garcia's band. People went nuts during the last part of this song. It was fabulous!

[@cjb79]

Lengo67 thank you for sharing!!! You sir are lucky to have witnessed this piece of history!!!!

[@cjb79]

Lengo67 I love hearing stories of the Grateful Dead or anything within that genre of music (shows and such) of that era !!! I feel that was the era i should have lived in ... I missed it by two decades. I was born in '79!!!

[@badman7520]

CB-History was seeing them back in the 70's sweet heart. Peace

[@sarkiesarkie4918]

Lengo67 : nice one.😘😘😘🇿🇦🇿🇦🙏🙏🏿🇦🇺🙏🏿🙏🇦🇺🇿🇦🇿🇦🙏🙏🏿😂

[@liamardo007]

lucky man

[@edwardhernandez8079]

rare treat here, thanks to the uploader whoever you are

[@jackiewilliams4703]

Love this. Happy Sunday. Peace & be well.

[@hughbo52]

What a nice accent/spice Jerry adds to an already legendary piece of music. Glad to have seen you.

[@merriweatherlewis2002]

I've never seen Jerry so happy can't help but express emotion as this!

[@GaryHayesh]

Bands are coming back in a big way, DJs are becoming a thing of the past. Keep on rocking and supporting live music.

[@allanjones1680]

this has to be the best version of this song i have ever heard!!!

[@kxmotox13]

I WAS THERE!!! Cooking in the hot Vegas sun at the Silver Bowl. Damn, I miss you, Jerry!!🌹

[@brbadge]

This was in Chicago, hondo.

[@dansemacabre8692]

Love to see Jerry having a blast!!! We miss you Jerry..where ever you are.

[@passengerbob]

Great piece of lost history. Was fortunate to have seen this live in Chicago. Miss ya Jer

[@d.simpson9598]

they don't make 'em like this anymore...😢

[@ryanchase6705]

d. simpson ...are you suggesting that Bieber lacks the chops to pull off, say a legenday Spring '77 show?! ;)

[@Oneofthechose]

I honestly thought the Avetts had a shot at becoming a touring force not fully like the Dead but as close as any other band could get- then they done F’d up and signed w/ Rubin now the entire fan base has become VERY wealthy white folk and that’s it- pre Carpenter their shows had a vibe that put me close to where these ones did- but it was the people, sadly like myself we all tossed the koolaid and moved on- they’re special but lost my respect by selling out

[@tomlund4951]

d. simpson get up write one!

[@williamjc7195]

ohhhhh.....those were the days. So glad to have been part of something so wonderful that will never be again.

[@stevebauer9030]

Steve's like " I'm doing Steve winood stuff" and jerry's like "I'm doing jerry stuff" haha love it

[@TheAudioMuseum]

That was such a long time ago, I forget how much fun we all had for those 3 days. This brings back so many good memories. Thanks for sharing!

[@henryVIIIification]

Cool, who woulda thunk it. Ole Jerry loved to play and often ventured out into "The Great Wide Open." We be jammin.

[@jimkeogh8552]

this show was an anticipated moment for Jerry. I think Steve would concur this is among the best versions of Mr Fantasy ever recorded. Splendid.

[@randihawkins3577]

This sounds amazing! they're shredding it!!!

[@roellassche1403]

still,so great,thanks for posting:great Stevie.that voice...............

[@PigSpinnin]

excellent find!!! Thanks so much for posting this! I know it's been a long time but still!

[@GratefulMind]

One of my favorite songs [and band] featuring one of my hands down, all time favorite musician, Jerry Garcia. ❤️💫 Absolutely bad ass.

[@jackiewilliams4703]

O his will always be one of the best songs that I will always love Like Cherry Garcia Ice Cream. Happy Saturday as my work day winds down. It is time for the concert portion of my very incredible Saturday. I hope that everyone else is having just as happy Saturday as I am. Peace & be as well as you can.

[@GreenWarbler]

I saw a performance of this at Giants Stadium that tour, this is a real treat. One of Jerry's better days in '94 ... we miss you down here

[@usucmehardutube]

He was the one that made us all laugh, in doing so he broke down in tears.

[@kingobeast8528]

I saw this show in July of 94 in Las Vegas. Pure magic.

[@christanhartley434]

I saw them at buckeye lake in 94, never forget it

[@dillinghammatt50]

Traffic & Jerry Garcia - Mr Dear Fantasy 94' .Now this....this is one hell of a song.

[@duaneburgess7855]

Brent Mydland still rocks it best. I rarely say that beyond an original song/original artist but he did.

[@tomquinn5683]

Brent was a tortured spirit who is sorely missed. I think the combination of his passing and the car bomb in the parking lot were too much for Jerry. And for the record,you are 100% Correct.

[@tomzanica8871]

be real ol Speedball wasn't even close ...... where is Pigpen when we really need him. peace and love

[@johnwharton9832]

I was at this show....it was the last Grateful Dead show I went to.....good times! I miss them!

[@randy95023]

How could anyone "Thumb Down" this Video???! This is sheer beauty and Jerry Garcia just adds to the magic...

[@lalaniathielen8917]

Right? Like really?

[@paysano117]

man there is no words that i can use to explain the joy that i feel while listening to that song bro welcome to the canteen :)

[@edwardbrand1055]

this could be my favorite song of all time.

[@robertchilders7926]

Wait I've been left behind I guess I still got to pay more dues great America

[@Oneofthechose]

Low Spark was the one that got me going

[@NeedAMiracle]

I was there, man. What an awesome show, and then Jerry moved on into the big gig in the sky. Winwood still rocks, God bless them all.

[@philcullen3913]

Spirit is something that no one destroys.

[@ensinitas]

i see what you did there!

[@tomlund4951]

The spark ⚡️ lives on!

[@REDMAN298]

@@ensinitas duh

[@ahighervibe4086]

...or CAN 😉

[@josephcharbonneau8740]

🎄HEY JERRY CAN YOU GET ME first rows to see you and your heavenly new band please? 🎄😎. Round trip please!!!

[@PamJRam]

jerry garcia took me back home after acid trips 1975 always will do

[@kozzmosis3755]

Just stumbled on this. Never had seen it. Broke down in tears. Chills

[@chais1111]

Jerry Garcia was Mr fantasy

[@stupidlittleguitar]

thanks for reminding us :-))

[@iamkenman101]

I'm a big Dead fan and I've seen them and Ive seen them a couple dozen times. Never had the change to see Winwood. That being said, I prefer Winwood's guitar playing over Jerry's. Jerry Garcia used heavily modified custom guitars, tone of effects (including a guitar synth, but his tone was almost always the same. Jerry played a lot of quick 1/16th notes and 1/8 notes and his solos were way too monotonous.

[@Tommy2shoe811]

+Led ZeppelinFan I agree with the Jerry critique but you gotta realize he was in the end days of a brutal disease so you can't really judge based on this performance or those from really any of the 90's. If you want to see true greatness check out the Dead's performance of Morning Dew from Cornell '77. True masterpiece. It'll make the hair on the back of your neck stand up

[@cjb79]

chais jo that's what I always thought. Especially when Brent would sing it as he stares at Jerry!! Love it

[@TIMSTRUMENT]

Yeah he had bad carparal tunnel and diabetes and a heart condition,he did do a lot of shredding that weekend The grateful dead is just an awesome thing to do

[@josmith6306]

My all-time favorite Traffic song. I used to play this at my college radio station years ago. Thanks for posting.

[@Exiles800]

I think Jerry is laying back in order to avoid stepping on Stevie's gig.

[@stupidlittleguitar]

absolutely right on...right up to the end Jerry was one of the most gracious, generous and respectful players that ever was

[@TIMSTRUMENT]

I agree look how happy he gets when Winwood starts counter soloing

[@andrewptob]

Exiles800 Jerry was pretty ill by this point, too. His playing was sadly hampered by this point, but I certainly agree with him being a gracious man

[@song-rz6hi]

well discerned

[@dosanchoas]

?laying back? i (respectfully) disagree Exiles800... jerry was ALL OVER that song -to extent that it SOUNDED LIKE A GRATEFUL DEAD TUNE!! TERRIFIC, nevertheless! peace.

[@chrisklein2118]

I was very fortunate to have backstage passes during this tour at RFK in Washington DC. Steve Winwood was really nice and very appreciative to the fans. We could not get close to Jerry although the rest of the band members were fine...I was not at this show, but at many during this tour... Dear Mr Fantasy with Jerry - priceless....