Transformers LEGACY Deluxe Class SKULLGRIN Review

[@PrimeVsPrime]

Do you guys agree with my final thoughts? Too harsh or justified?

[@axelgrease69]

Justified. So far I think Skullgrin and Crankcase are decent out of this wave

[@TwistedaxleTV]

You speak a lot of unnecessary words in your reviews. Clean it up. That is all

[@pinkflare13]

Very excited for this video to have finally come out I think the criticisms are justified. Having a weird PVC Plastic seemed like a unnecessary decision, and while I actually like the tank mode I have to say it makes no sense for it to not have functional wheels or treads.

[@PrimeVsPrime]

@@axelgrease69 I agree! Thanks for hearing me out :)

[@PrimeVsPrime]

@@TwistedaxleTV Apologies man, its my speech pattern and its something that'll be quite hard to break :(

[@ultramaximusreviews]

I think it would have been cooler if the Pretenders monster heads came off like a helmet and had a robot head underneath

[@DeltathRiylaan]

Sorry for reviewing such an old post, but I just got this figure today and I definitely agree. I actually thought at first it did come off, because of the way the hinge looks.

[@hahli1327]

my personal headcanon for why skullgrin is larger then his fellow pretenders is because he's pretending to be a member from a species of bone giants whereas bomb-burst and igaunus meanwhile are disguised as members from human-sized specieses

[@PrimeVsPrime]

Could be! Although if the rest are core class I think it'll be a shame

[@Chimeragui]

@@PrimeVsPrime it might also be so their vehicle modes would be in scale with each other. Deluxe class motorcycles modes tend to be far too large when placed next to cars, trucks and other large vehicles hence why the motorcycle character was made core class.

[@ShadowRose224]

Thats actually very close to mine. I saw the smaller core class ones as the actual race with having cybertronian augmentations and skullgrin wearing the skull of a different alien race

[@catandogclone7880]

If you dislike the scaling for pretenders so far wait until Bludgeon and Thunderwing come along cause those 2 will be voyager/leader class sizes definitely.

[@WyattTFdude]

Thunderwing is a deluxe

[@catandogclone7880]

@@WyattTFdude if they die comic or Prime version of Thunderwing then it’ll be a Leader class figure.

[@WyattTFdude]

@@catandogclone7880 it’s the g1, look up Legacy Evolution

[@catandogclone7880]

@@WyattTFdude he hasn’t been announced yet and I see no information relating him to being a deluxe size.

[@PancadaPls]

Personally, I don't think the scale is that big of a deal because of what they're doing with the pretenders. They're based on the original pretenders, but they've incorporated the pretender shells into the actual transformer, effectively creating brand new renditions for each of these characters. Since Hasbro's combining ideas and reinventing old characters, I think they have the leeway to play around with the size of them.

[@silverback5730]

I agree, I'd honestly be disappointed if they didn't. Bludgeon would be a perfect voyager.

[@Sgt.Simmoisabigdumbpoopoohead]

​@@silverback5730Well spoken, the prophecy has been realised.

[@legalsaga4684]

That hinge at this wrist is a pretty nice addition as it allows for more interesting sword poses.

[@PrimeVsPrime]

I agree! It's very nice!

[@Nil_25k]

Personally, I actually really like his Tank mode. It's the kind of thing I immediately think of when I hear "cybertronian tank", and while it may definitely not be the best, j don't think its as bad as many people think. Same goes for the Studio Series Bumblebee Soundwave.

[@IanFraser420]

I think the main problem isn’t the design so much as the execution. Like, his alt mode is just the robot mode condensed into a brick. If they just added some tread details on the front legs or found a way to hide the feet it would’ve looked a lot more cohesive.

[@shovelchop81bikeralex52]

The hard white plastics they normally use, when turning yellow due to UV light from the sun, are actually having a chemical reaction making them far more brittle and prone to snapping. This is why they chose to use the softer plastic for those very thin extensions in the legs, my best guess anyway.

[@TheLast_Knight]

6:21 I don't know why, but when the horns are compressed like this, it kind of resembles the head of a Taun-Taun from Star Wars

[@PrimeVsPrime]

Yesss! I can see that too! Nice catch!

[@troysmith7112]

It makes sense that, with the way Hasbro is doing these pretenders, they'd be different size classes.

[@HelenaSan425]

This deluxe Skullgrin looks so great! i only have this tiny power of the primes Prime masters skullgrin

[@PrimeVsPrime]

Definitely better then the POTP version for sure!

[@tyestancil2783]

I love that figure! I think the mask looks better on the Potp than this one. More robotic looking. I also wish he was core class as well (however I'm not against them uprising the rest, just want some consistency ), great fig.

[@aClockworkTomato]

I don't mind the altmode. It's passable and even a bit menacing. I also don't mind the lack of wheels since I leave my figures sitting on a shelf. He'll definitely be the only deluxe figure I'm picking up from wave 3, a farcry from wave 2 having picked up all four deluxes. Hopefully wave 4 turns out better. 🤞

[@brianshipley8220]

I like to call his tank mode a Brank. (Brick + Tank)

[@PrimeVsPrime]

Lol literally haha!

[@Beedo_Sookcool]

Great review! Thank you! To be honest, I'm fine with the different size classes. The Pretenders themselves never made much sense to me, so having them in different sizes is no biggie. Plus, a tank being bigger than a motorcycle . . . well, that DOES makes some sense.

[@seanagulan9481]

This figure is great, unfortunately has some flaws(swords are rubber). But nevertheless, this head sculpt is perfect for Halloween.

[@RussellSmithOmegaW]

I wouldn't get too hung up on the alt mode. It wasn't that great the first time round so it's not like they had a lot to work with. Think of it as an artillery piece rather than a rolling figure :)

[@TrueKoalaKnight]

The faces on the pelvis aren't the inner robot face, the G1 pretender shells had those same faces in the same spots. They're more like belt buckles.

[@Enbeanie]

All sword-wielding Transformers need a wrist bend like that! great review!

[@henryalberts539]

Wish they'd leaned into both the length of the alt mode and his Marvel Hollywood star characterization and made him the world's first LimoTank: for shelling your enemies in style!

[@greenlee7smythe]

2:19 “on your pacific figure”? Lmao 😂 I’ve never had a pacific figure :P

[@Angel_Love6680]

you should definitely get one, the Gipsy Danger figure is amazing :)

[@trewerd]

I'm with you on the vehicle mode. All that complex engineering is wasted on a lackluster tank mode. The soft plastic is an oddity. I can understand the horns, but we've gotten parts way smaller and pointier than those swords in hard plastic. The leg hinge being soft plastic as well might be because of how thin and long that piece is. They're probably worried kids would easily break it, but then again, if so, they shouldn't have designed it like that in the first place. As far as scale though, I think it's kinda fun to have pretenders in different size classes. G1 accuracy aside, since they're already doing their own thing by mashing up the shells with the vehicles, Iguanus being smaller than Skullgrin makes sense to my brain.

[@TF_LoRdwashere]

He looks awsome and so metal at the same time

[@acethebeast9971]

You always smile when you hear primes badass intro.

[@pessie83]

The transformation gimmick reminds me of that of the Mega Pretenders, as the Pretender shell also transforms into the alternate mode.

[@Key_eg0r]

Decepticon who transforms to brick with guns. Perfect😂

[@PlatinumKnight-je3vy]

I like the fact that Skullgrin got promoted to the deluxe figure assortment but still would’ve liked a core figure of him as well. The robot mode is for sure the strongest when tank mode is the weakest, more could’ve been done.

[@90lancaster]

It seems worth doing just like a the missing ones from POTP are still something i'd like too. I hope they do neglect doing more core ones though they look so much nicer as a set and i'd be happy to see them keep doing them as core class - at least the initial 6 - but if they want to be nuts and have a go at Grimlock, Bumblebee and Starscream - i'd be interested to see that too - though perhaps in a bigger size. If they keep making the small ones that would be nice to complement the core Dinobots we are getting too as Studio Series 86 Core class releases.

[@90lancaster]

@@HerohammerStudios Why would I want a core Class Skullgrin do you mean ? Well as I said to complete the set at the given size would be nice - - having one a load missing would be disappointing - just as it was with the missing pretender shells in POTP. As I stated before as many as possible Decepticons in the the Core class including The Pretenders would go nicely with the forthcoming Core Class Dinobots and also they can be used to populate your bases and playsets. I'm not saying that it has to be just the Pretenders - but since they started and since people responded positively to the 2 smaller ones more so that Skullgrin. Different sizes for different uses - I guess we all thought perhaps that Iguanus as it was implying they are small characters - maybe even like Rattrap size. ones. But with more main characters being made in that scale they can be seen either way now they can be seen as "little guys" like Rattrap, Exo-suit Spike or Wheelie. or they can be seen as a smaller representation of a normal sized Decepticon as with Megatron, Skywarp, Starscream, Soundwave, & Soundblaster and also Shockwave. I just happen to think they did something "fun" with Igunaus over all - even if tabbing him in can be a slight pain at times the idea is one I favour. But I also don't mind when the core class is used to represent a small character for use with bigger toys too.

[@ianmaclellan7623]

The material they used for the headscupt was definitely used for the weapons and the joints in the legs. They probably did that to save cost.

[@chrisvellner3922]

It would've been nice if they made the skull head a removable or "flip-back" mask with the robot head underneath.

[@slicerneons3300]

Ole G1 Skullgrin had a lower Jaw sculpted and unpainted on his chestplate, with a tongue even. I don't mind class differences, considering the scale if the alt modes.

[@AAX1975]

I want a head sculpt of the interior bot from the original Pretender to swap out with the skull. I love the body proportions and think it would look rad.

[@Nagatem]

Big mad that they made bombburst a core, I wanted all 3 decepticon Masterforce pretenders in the same scale

[@Papai_Pai]

I can't wait to have this guy standing next to his teeny tiny power of the primes Pretender

[@SamanthaS92]

I’ll be honest, one thing I like about your reviews is even with bad figures, you’re usually less harsh and make sure to point out the good features even if there aren’t many. You’re asking if you’re being to harsh, but everyone else is completely trashing them! You’re the only one I can stand to watch because I’m not here to hear people complain endlessly.

[@PrimeVsPrime]

Ah thanks so much! Yeah I do try & be as fair as possible 🙏🏻

[@Mothbean]

I personally see the grey bits at front of the feet as forward treads, which I think gives the alt mode a lot more personality

[@forgedtofight]

love to see a harsh & critical primevsprime review 😈

[@LimeeAnims]

Can't wait to see this model with another head!

[@uainjansun]

Super cool the upgrade and very much a good combination of the G1 + generations fig! I do hope we ever get a original legacy jolt since skullgrin is jolt's brother as pretender

[@HERITAGE12]

the lack of wheels is unforgivable IMO. He's NOT a hover tank, just a cybertroninan one and those threads are there for a reason. hell even the original g1 skullgrin had wheels and those inner shell bots were TERRIBLE . i'll STILL get him cause i like the IDW-esque bot/shell merging but ill be keeping him in bot mode forever. i agree too about the core class/ deluxe issue. but i reckon we WILL get deluxes of all of em in the end . just like whats going on with ratchet and ironhide in the studio series. TBH i wouldnt be surprised if core class iguanaus was just done to test the waters on demand for pretender figs.

[@asagreenway8483]

Got Skullgrin today and love his bot mode but I won’t be bothering to transform him as the brick mode is just meh lol great review as always

[@t.millings6979]

This figure had so much potential, Justified for sure :( .

[@zuntata7860]

good point, they CAPABLE to make superb TLK Hot Rod with DELUXE PRICEPOINT, but this one seems like a throaway quotas figure

[@b-retrogamer2324]

It’s perplexing for sure.

[@matthewbosco9190]

Once again amazing work my friend you have done an amazing job I hate the flexible plastic but the figure looks amazing

[@TyphonMar]

Aside from the rubber swords I'm pretty excited for this guy. Scale has never bugged me so I don't care about that.

[@Domdomdomdomdomdomdommmm]

i feel like the size scale makes sense because skullgrin is a tank and iganus is a motor bike

[@TFfangeek]

Fantastic review PrimeVsPrime!!!! I hope that Skullgrin is a sign of how incredible future Pretenders figures will be. :D Keep on being amazing.

[@kram67kram]

Sword hands?!!!. He just became the coolest figure out.

[@emeraldphoenix5868]

I think that this mold would work well for RID 2015 Blastwave.

[@rorroryusoul]

This cool video mister primevsprime

[@PrimeVsPrime]

Thanks so much! :)

[@Thedifficultytweak]

I have so many hot takes on the skullgrin, 1: I kinda like his alt mode, I’m not super into it but I’ll take what I can get. 2: don’t care for the weapons. 3: I want a huge variety of scale classes for these guys, I don’t know what other pretenders there are but I want some like leader class men that have the same cool bad ass quality that skullgrin does.

[@user-lynKx]

the tail in the robot mode is so cute 🤣

[@vivimusjenos8174]

I could do beautiful things to that skulls paint work..... then again my whole transformers collection makes me want to buy it all over again so I can paint one and keep one as is of each🥰

[@paulpiusink6917]

Justified. I like it and to me it's a great representation of the original Skullgrin with a superb head mould and nice detailing all around. But I might be more inclined to rate it higher because I got this at a discount together with Crankcase. At full price, I would definitely expect more...

[@OmicronX-1999]

The PVC bits in the leg assemblies are obviously because the piece needs to bend to allow the treads to actually reach the slots where they tab in in vehicle mode. Their position doesn't perfectly line up with where the legs are, so a solid plastic connecting piece wouldn't reach. It's kind of a lazy solution, they could have shaped the connecting pieces differently so they lined up properly, but I guess it works. I mean, I doubt fans are going to be rushing to buy this guy, seeing as how his altmode sucks and he's a really obscure character who's supposed to have a Pretender shell, so even older fans who know who he is won't be all that interested. EDIT: Actually, on closer inspection, the legs seem to line up properly after all and the PVC piece doesn't seem to be bending, so I don't know why hasbro decided to make that bit out of PVC. It's got nothing to do with yellowing though, there's plenty of white plastic on the figure anyway, and if they were that bothered they probably wouldn't cast so many figures in white plastic to begin with.

[@bryanoliver311]

Its not lazy, its just bringing back the simplicity of the pretenders inner bots.

[@alanfoxwolf7233]

Really cool looking Transformers figure

[@SirGrimLockSmithVIII]

I really wish they incorporated the robot mode head into the vehicle mode as a hood ornament. The only time visible head syndrome would have been cool and the designers missed the opportunity to capitalize on it.

[@VorpalSlade]

Ain't that just the story of Hasbro's life 😂 screwing up left right and centre then the one time it would look good they actively avoid it

[@harrisblastaar5081]

I absolutely love this figure but even with a few probs I am not to put off at all. Also i think the reason why some figures are better than others in different wave is cuz they actually have a set budget for the wave and sometimes they allocate more of the budget to other figures so maybe they wanted to make sure hotrod turned out well

[@caseymartinez1349]

I don’t think your being harsh. You are giving your honest opinion. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@devimusmagnusjack4225]

Great review PvP! Gotta say that I agree with your somewhat harsh criticisms at the end. Hasbro was doing great in the WFC Cybertron trilogy but now it feels like they are losing a bit of their fire, which sucks since figures are getting more expensive at the same time. To save costs, I mostly stick to G1 characters from the cartoon now. Therefore in all of Legacy Wave 3 (Deluxe, Voyager and Leader), I plan on only getting Dead End and Pointblank. Hopefully things will improve in Legacy Year 2.

[@thachocolategod]

Very nice figure! I hope we get an Octopunch now, that's my favorite Pretender.

[@TheOptinater]

Good thing reviewers get these early so I know what figures not to buy. Hasbros quality hasn't been very good lately but at least I'm saving money hah

[@TeryJones]

Another thing I feel detracts from this design is the over sized head. They could have made it a removable mask for a regular size robot mode head, hell it could have been a mask that had its own separate weapon mode, Would have added a bit more play value for the price they're asking.

[@katiepersons6575]

I sure am glad Hasbro is electing to raise prices at a rate of nearly four times that of inflation over the past 18 months or else the QC and quality of the figures might have had to go down.

[@Jake-ti9sp]

I can't unsee his nose is a heart

[@TheTurnipKing]

I kind of feel like the Pretenders needed to have the normal robot mode heads, as well as their Beast Wars Mutant style monster heads.

[@WLH7]

Yes!

[@PrimeVsPrime]

Yessss sir!

[@DarkScorch]

There’s quite a few reasons why this figure is the way he is, and the designers spoke about these. As far as the vehicle mode goes and why it doesn’t have wheels on it, it’s the same thing with why Blurr doesn’t have wheels. I personally really like this figure, but I can definitely see why you don’t.

[@PrimeVsPrime]

Thanks for hearing me out man. I think with Blurr (at least the 86 ver) it was slightly more forgivable because he never had any wheels or treads to indicate that he could roll, but with this one it has treads and it just seems a bit pointless to me. What do you think of it?

[@PlatinumKnight-je3vy]

There really shouldn’t be any restraints in a figure’s design, especially when we’re paying more for them now. The tank mode could’ve been designed a little better.

[@DarkScorch]

@@PlatinumKnight-je3vy Just check out what the designers had to say.

[@maximulsnarl5527]

I'd say, it depends on the transformation, if the size is bigger, it should have more steps, but if it's a bigger size and has very few steps then core.

[@TrueKoalaKnight]

If it were up to me (and I've said this many times on multiple platforms) I would abandoned the current design philosophy completely. The pretenders would be released in their own sub-line. All the core robots would be redesigned to be core class and would have 3 modes: inner robot, vehicle, and cube-like backpack mode. The pretender shells would be based on the RED series figures and feature a hollowed out torso that can fit the core class inner robot in backpack mode.

[@oscarmay3364]

Tenth comment yay also I love skullgrin really cool video keep doing what you are doing

[@PrimeVsPrime]

Thanks so much!

[@alharron2145]

I loved the designs of the Pretender shells, & always wanted Hasbro to give them the "Super Pretender" treatment (ie actually transform). But the rubber plastic not only in the swords, but as part of the robot's actual structure is a serious deal breaker for me. Its one thing to have it as appendages like spikes or fins, but there's no way this sculpt will survive unwarped for long. A shame, as I love Skullgrin in particular & am dying for a new one after that Straxus remold from a few years back.

[@andreyofdoom]

Haha wow! The biggest surprise is the complexity of the transformation despite how much like a robot folded into a brick it looks at the end. I fell like they could have done better here

[@samcorcoran470]

Everyone said we definitely were NOT getting a Dinobot combiner. I heard it 2 places. Never underestimate Hasbro's ability to beat a character to death. That being said, I ordered all 3 core class figures and the Alpha Trion Orion Paks 2 pack.!

[@FastforwardxD]

I haven't had the same candy rush that I had gotten from siege

[@Readydaer]

Brick or not, children will find a way to play with it. for older collectors however i do totally agree. at the very least he deserved wheels

[@b-retrogamer2324]

Do adult collectors roll their figures around? I doubt it

[@Deathbot884]

I placed skull grin on water I just realized he looks like a naval warship

[@Morage99]

so good I love this and your videos

[@PrimeVsPrime]

Thanks so much!

[@conorburke1999]

The original toy actually does have a jaw, but it’s unpainted and blends into the body so most people don’t even know it’s there.

[@jorjyogurt8474]

I disagree with the scale part, tbh Id rather have their sizes be more diverse, it makes them look like their own little squad separated from the main decepticons, you dont see Swindle being the same size as Megatron

[@water_bottle4233]

Bought him recently Really fun to pose Great figure Except the transformation its a pain in the ass

[@shadowynne]

I'm quietly excited about bomburst.

[@aiden.c.strong9301]

Ayyyy he can shoot around corners

[@umagnus77]

I really hope a 3rd party design a wicked cape with horns protruding from the shoulders

[@bizzaro13]

is the Power of the Primes prime master Skullgrin compatible with this figure as far as being able to hold it as a weapon?

[@Night5225]

I actually really like how he looks, but rubbery-plastic pieces for internals is a dealbreaker :/

[@DBWalks2010]

This is how the pretenders should have been! I heard they coming out with Bombburst! Can’t wait to get them!!😃😃😃👍👍👍

[@jolt5644]

Yes Skullgrin!!!!!!

[@djscout6665]

When i saw the tusks my instant thought was tlk megatron

[@PlasticGeek]

G1 skullgrin does have a lower jaw, it’s sculpted into the body gray piece.

[@vustvaleo8068]

Skullgrin would be right at home in the DOOM series, lol.

[@CameronM1138]

I'm really glad they're not making all the Pretenders as Cores or Deluxes, Bludgeon and Thunderwing would be pointless at that size.

[@jasonwolf3591]

The vinyl plastic is used for pieces with high risk of breaking and potential poking and stabbing hazards.

[@jasonschneider7224]

Sadly, it seems to me a few things could have saved the alt-mode (and actually made the robot mode look better too). First and foremost: curves and angles - this design is so flat and square that it hurts both modes. That's actually one of the few things the G1 toy did right. Good curves angles and could have made the robot look more organic, and even the current alt mode look more armored and interesting. Next: Fold the legs to the side of the tank. Instead of such a long brick , you'd get something that has the proportions of an actual tank. Heh, meshing with the first point, if you curve the legs right you can get a natural flare to the back - also, that ends up putting that forward facing skull on the crotch front and center making it reminiscent of those skull tanks from Voltron - which would look pretty cool if you ask me. And of course, wheels - even a hovertank is more fun if it can actually seem to glide across the ground. It's a great idea with a cool transformation, but the aesthetics are poorly executed.

[@williamthompson5504]

Bomb Burst is showing up at Target. Fun toy

[@caseymartinez1349]

Good review 👍🏼👍🏼

[@CattyMintgum]

They sure love making badass looking robot modes but not putting much thought into the alt modes. This guy looks sick but shame he couldn't turn into something more cool to reflect.

[@beanboi23]

Skullgrin in the original comic with that scale.

[@rykkerjones786]

I'll just swap the guns on the back with his hand held ones. Scale wise it's fine. I'd rather have them in different scales to mix em up. They're not a uniform team like the stunticons so scaling them differently is fine

[@evanartist8060]

While I love the skull face sculpt, I can almost guarantee someone is gonna make a 3D model for the original toy’s robot head and make a print. Surprised that haven’t been done yet for Igaunus. Not hating on the figures, I just know others do.

[@lunatick3495]

Tye only reason I would buy this is for more decepticons also fill crowd scenes and then for just the bot mode.