Transformers Strength and Power Tier List

With the release of the new Transformers movie, Transformers: Rise of the Beasts, I have decided to make a strength and power tier list on the 5 Michael Bay Transformers films. There is more to this list than meets the eye!
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[@jesusseinpferd__9628]

Optimus really putting up prime MJ numbers, despite usually being held back for 80% of the movies. Truly the Goat

[@Kewins_]

sorry to ask but who or what is MJ?

[@jesusseinpferd__9628]

@@Kewins_ Michael Jordan in this case. Its often used for Michael Jackson as well though

[@TheGraysonYT]

MJ can be used for a lot of things and names

[@shinysniper9537]

@@Kewins_ Michael Jordan in this case. He was the greatest basketball player of all time and it's said no one can really catch up to him, so that's why this comparison was made.

[@xsmacked]

@@shinysniper9537bron bron already caught ip

[@TheMainVictor]

I'll always have respect for Jazz despite knowing how outmatched he was in that fight, he still challenged Megatron head on and gave the humans, Ironhide and Ratchet time to escape and to buy time for Optimus to arrive, he was the only one brave enough to face Megatron.

[@NBE-01_EDITZZ]

Makes sense as to why Optimus made him First lieutenant, even when brawl first appeared jazz was the first one to charge at him despite the size differential

[@gibletthepiglet]

Its not really that he was the only "brave" enough, that was his job. He was 1st Lieutenant, he's in command after Prime f course he'd fight Megatron before anyone else.

[@NBE-01_EDITZZ]

@@gibletthepiglet he was because everyone else including ironhide and ratchet retreated when he appeared, jazz was the only one to stand his ground DESPITE everyone else telling him to fall back

[@gibletthepiglet]

@@NBE-01_EDITZZ Well yeah he cant retreat, thats literally his job as second in command. Obviously hes brave, but its still mostly just his duty

[@rohangardiner]

​@@gibletthepiglethis job as second in command is to not retreat? What if optimus prime told him to retreat 🤔

[@opulenceharbingerofchaos3939]

The fact that Shockwave was done dirty in the Bayverse and STILL managed to be an absolute menace speaks volume to his true power.

[@ShogunAT3]

Ikr wish they shown soundwave better tho. He just felt like a normal decepticon spy when I first saw the movie as a kid until I found out how important and close he is to Megatron.

[@yourdude4197]

Ironhide is an absolute unit. It took Sentinel three point blank shots to the chest from the back and he was still living. The cosmic rust was what killed him that’s just how much of an absolute chad Ironhide was.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

He is tough for sure.

[@hound5948]

@@weeaboo-warriorI think you put him to low. I feel he should probably be near hounds level at least

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@hound5948 He could definitely be that high. Unfortunately he doesn’t have any solid scalable feats.

[@caelandrada8422]

Optimus was caught lacking in the first film but started roiding and training up

[@harihari-ou9in]

he got clapped by sentinel 1v1 no?

[@caelandrada8422]

@@harihari-ou9in Not really. Every time sentinel had the upper hand it was because Optimus was holding back, focused more on talking than actually fighting, or simply distracted by something else going on. If it were any other character, Optimus would have just stomped them. Aside from the first film, Every time Optimus was on a losing side of a fight is because he was distracted. ROTF: he was looking for Sam when Megatron killed him. DOTM: 1. Trying to protect Lenox and the other soldiers from Shockwave and his worm (I forgot the name). The list goes on. 4 and 5 are just inconsistent because Optimus will lose a fight out of nowhere only seemingly overcome the next opponent the next time they encounter.

[@fallen9997]

Tierlist is overall good, but I'd put some minor changes: 1. I'd put The Fallen a tier above, since he still absolutely could body any of the characters in the same tier, and The Fallen actually wasn't absolutely bodied by Jetfire Optimus, he fought back. 2. I'd put TF5 Megatron over Optimus in his Prime (no Jetfire), simply due to being able to fight back 4 Autobots at once (including Bumblebee and Optimus himself) without being overwhelmed.

[@jnl7196]

Yeah Optimus got the upper hand fast simply due to the pace of that fight.

[@Agurk33]

This guy is legitimetaly correct in every way shape or form

[@Wall_E.]

Nah I think Jetfire Prime kinda bodied Fallen ngl, he couldn't do much against Prime on roids

[@Agurk33]

@@Wall_E. he stomped megatron in that fight too wich just shows how strong jetpower Optimus is

[@notfunnyguy1787]

Great tier list! This was really a blast to the past for me because I haven’t seen these movies in ages. Can’t wait to see what’s next.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Yeah these movies (especially the first three) have a lot of nostalgia for me.

[@Red-Robin2011]

For the comments of Revenge Of The Fallen for both cases, after TF 2007 Optimus started training himself in multiple combat forms therefore putting himself above '07 Megatron. Now for our favourite leader of the Deceptions, Megatron. He became both stronger and weaker due to the new body. You can argue his fusion cannon is stronger since he doesn't need to merge both of his arms together this time unlike in '07 but as you mentioned unlike Optimus, Megatron had no time whatsoever to get used to the new body, basically learning as he fought. This also proves how good of a warrior he is, afterall Megatron was in charge of the justice division (if I remember correctly) shown in the prequel IDW comics and I believe they also pulled in the pits of Kaon as well.

[@ProdNapoleon]

Optimus is literally millions/billions of years old and have been the leader of the autobots for eons you really think 2 years of fighting experience is going to make up for megatrons eons of fighting as a gladiator and leader of the decepticons? I will give you the benefit of the doubt with megatron being revived so he probably wasn’t at full strength.

[@Red-Robin2011]

@@ProdNapoleon hey, I didn't write the prequel comics/movies. This is just what is given to us as to why Optimus is much more better hand to hand unlike in 2007.

[@optisprimusproductions]

​@@Red-Robin2011 I assume you watched that one Theorymus (Trans Theories) video?

[@Red-Robin2011]

@@optisprimusproductions well there is also statements in books and such, also ton of Bayformers fans such as RGB and Fire Brothers have said this before. Trans Theory is someone I haven't seen in a while.

[@TheSilverwolf97]

The simpler explanation and the one that makes the most sense is just that Megatron had a whole new body with weird uneven proportions, during the forest fight you can see him clunky and slow and the only contradicting material is an obscure book that just tried to overhype the new Megatron design. They should've just gone with that, in the end Megatron wasn't even the big baddy in that movie. Optimus catching up for 2 years what he couldn't for thousands of years is just a pill hard to swallow. In the end it isn't the fans faults tho, it's Bay and Hasbro who never thought any single detail that isn't an explosion.

[@jackweber3660]

thanks for this, it’s a nice and easy way to learn all of the transformers as someone who hasnt seen the movies

[@weeaboo-warrior]

You’re welcome.

[@CrummTheDumm]

Simmons is top tier for surviving all 5 bay movies, something few can boast

[@ShogunAT3]

Lennox as well

[@TheGraysonYT]

Great tier list! I agree with most of them. I just wish that Shockwave got more screen time and that Bayverse Transformers ended like the book in Dark of The Moon. The only things I disagree with is normal Optimus being stronger than The Last Knight Megatron or T1 Megatron and T3 Megatron being at the top of the Commander tier. I mean, T1 or even T2 Megatron probably could’ve beaten the Fallen if Jetfire was infused with him, since Megs and Prime are around the same level. And TLK Megatron was surprised attacked and was basically kept from being able to kill anybody because of plot armor and “luck”. He could’ve easily killed Hound and Bumblebee, but both times he was stopped, and then he gets kicked through a wall by Optimus. I mean, seems a little unfair to our buddy Megs, right? And T3 Megatron being put at the top of the Commander tier is a little questionable to me because he only had a shotgun and couldn’t do anything to Prime. I feel like Shockwave and the dinobots should’ve been put at the top of the Commander tier. Regardless, it was a great tier list and I enjoyed the video.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Thanks

[@SirSleepy811]

in my opinion sideswipe and ironhide should have been ranked higher. because of the fact that both of them are really skilled. and sideswipe has great speed/agility and quick-killing blades.

[@Mikerille]

Love the content man, keep it up!

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Thanks, will do!

[@nova_zar]

Welp, I finally had time to see your list and I mostly agree, though I would put the Wreckers at the top of the High tier thanks to their excessive weaponry, I would also put the Twins at least higher than the Decepticon protoforms since these guys have better firepower (damaging devastator) and were pretty agile, jumping and swinging around. Jetfire is also a hard one to rank since he's a glass cannon but I think he should be at the bottom of Commander tier, above Demolisher. I also wouldn't put Devastator above the Dinobots and Dragonstorm since these are also very powerful and way faster than him. And finally, I think that 07 Megatron is a bit overrated, he was strong but Optimus could still fight him for a while and I feel that DOTM Optimus with all of his upgrades and gear would counter him. Anyways cool vid

[@xXSonTJXx]

Great job!

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Thanks bro! Going to see the new Spider-Man movie now!

[@animallover1404]

Cool tier list and awesome job!!!!!! I, however, don't agree with Bumblebee though. Yeah, he had a lot of kills but he is physically weaker than Ironhide and Hound. In the IDW Comics, while they never fought each other Ironhide was doing his thing while Optimus went to pursue Megatron. I think people often forget that pretty much in any continuity Optimus Prime is 9 Million-Years Old if you are not counting him being one of the original Primes and then coming out as Orion Paxe but I digress, he has been in battle for that long. In the Michael Bay films he has been in battle for thousands of years and was trained by Sentinel Prime and knows how to fight without the training from Sentinel. Optimus was holding back in the first film plus Megatron was pumped up from the Sector 7 generators. And yes, while Megatron in TF2 had knew parts, it was still his original body in a sense. He was missing his left arm and right leg. He is also 1 million years older than Optimus, not as skilled though. He also had the same sword, just modified from the foundation/defiance comics. Megatron in the Bay films isn't that dumb. Plus Prima (I have a hard time believing that wasn't Optimus since he looks just like him from Optimus Prime's meteorite toy and how Optimus looked on Cybertron) defeated the Fallen by wearing him down by teleporting and he was a Prime. I wish we had more time with these films before Bumblebee was made but I'm not complaining. I love them just the same. I love seeing my buddy Optimus Prime as always too.

[@Therealscourgefn]

the 8 bit new divide at the start brings good old memories, cheers mate.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Yeah I love that song, very nostalgic.

[@Therealscourgefn]

@@weeaboo-warrior soft linkin park was good sometimes, like new divide and what I’ve done

[@YaBoyChe]

Good work put into making this video

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Thank you!

[@illium434]

Honestly I might put tf1 Megatron above tlk megatron and optimus, the dude was MASSIVE in the first movie. With his head being the size of like two and a half of optimus' heads put together. Tlk Megatron looked relative to optimus' size in tlk and if optimus in tlk is the same height as optimus in the other films then tf1 megatron is still massive compared to prime and could overpower him based on his leverage alone

[@weeaboo-warrior]

I don’t think size is everything. TF2 Megatron was even bigger than TF1 Megatron and Optimus beat his a**. I do think it’s possible TF1 Megatron is above TF5 Megatron, especially if Optimus didn’t become stronger over the movies.

[@richiebob5477]

@@weeaboo-warriorTf2 was in a completely new body and he was at multiple disadvantages compared to his 07 one which he fought in for thousands of years, his arm is way bigger than the other and his bulky legs certainly don’t help

[@primal1233]

Nice tier list

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Thanks!

[@Sirdilophosaurusthethird2.0]

This is a certified transformers classic!

[@tajklair]

Great video 👍

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Thank you!

[@chrislowe8212]

Thank you for this

[@weeaboo-warrior]

You are very welcome

[@zetester98]

Very good list! Although I would've probably put Bumblebee a little lower since he mostly beat fodder and his fight with Nemesis Prime seems more of an outlier than anything else. If you've ever seen the show, would you consider a Doctor Who tier list? It might be a little hard to scale the characters due to a lack of proper fight scenes, but I think you could end up with something interesting, especially if you include the classic show too.

[@sonicgaming-ml9rz]

love the background music good remix of new divide

[@douglasharris01369]

Nice video!

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Thanks!

[@BulletTrainCatIsAwesome]

Hilarious! That intro in's own!

[@PalpatinesPlumber]

My allegiance is to the Unicron, to earth!

[@timtan852]

is that a star wars reference?

[@theoriginals9821]

Megatron in the first movie was totally badass and strong, in TLK he was also strong but we didnt really see him fight anyone 1v1 all autobots combined were not enough to stop him untill Optimus attacked him by suprise and even then Optimus had hard time that just shows how much Megatron was actually strong. Megatron 2007 was above Sentinel, do you remember that Sentinel litterally said that they were never going to win the war and that he joined with Megatron. (If u cant beat them, join them) That means Sentinel wasn't able to stop Megatron. Starscream from first movie was strong af, idk what happened to him after first film since he didnt recieve damages that Megatron did.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

I did put 2007 Megatron above Sentinel. And Starscream was still strong in the 2nd and 3rd movie, he just didn’t fight anybody besides Optimus who is OP.

[@G4EATD]

It was so hard to keep track because there was no tier list box but thanks for the vid

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Yeah the box is at the end.

[@johnmarshallbreuer4890]

If you watch revenge of the fallen the scene where demolished is taken down he actually is taken down by ironhide not Optimus. Right before he crashes you can see ironhide jump on his wheel and shoot out the support on it causing demolisher to crash. Just something I don’t think people noticed.

[@Flameku]

I agree with almost literally everything except for jolts placement since he can manually destroy and put people back together using his whips so if he was shot he can just take the other person's part and repair himself, but overall great video! I Subscribed

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Thank you!

[@jackattack3246]

Can’t wait for the other Transformers tier list aka the good ones.

[@Yessaaa]

good video

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Good comment

[@user-mq9ge1lq9w]

I have subscribed . Can't wait for the next transformaters list . Would you do dceu list (taking in fact that it's ending

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Thank you, and yes, I’m planning making a DCEU tier list as well. I’m currently working on my phase 4 MCU list.

[@user-mq9ge1lq9w]

@@weeaboo-warrior only phase 4 or all phases up to 4

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@user-mq9ge1lq9w just phase 4, so already have a list that goes over the first 3.

[@tacotown4598]

Classic quintessa w(idk why but I think the funny space witch is pretty cool)

[@masontilley3746]

I was the 1000th like 🎉🎉

[@weeaboo-warrior]

yay!

[@jnl7196]

Cade was crazy

[@deathreaper4166]

We need a Transformers Prime tier list ASAP!

[@weeaboo-warrior]

I’m thinking about making one when the next movie comes out.

[@neomarcusmercado6884]

Megatron 07 is a dominant indestructible Leader, no one couldn't stop him even optimus prime can't either do it. one thing can slay him is the Allspark. so I might put Megatron07 in the Primus tier list.

[@natashascullion5241]

great tier list! when that death battle tier list coming? i asked for it twice and i think i'd be really cool

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Idk maybe one day if I can make KZbin my full time job.

[@natashascullion5241]

@@weeaboo-warrior yea i think it be cool especially since i realized that using both the logic/scaling that death battle provides aswell as cross scaling between episodes the tier list would probably be chaos and your most original project. hope your doing well btw

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@natashascullion5241 thanks, I’m doing good.

[@natashascullion5241]

@@weeaboo-warrior good to know

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@natashascullion5241 thanks you doing good too?

[@HelenaSan425]

Barricade is my favorite decepticon from the transformers movies! 😈🚓

[@OneWithNoFace]

If this tier was based off of just the character instead of just what they did in the movie. Characters like Shockwave and Soundwave would be a lot higher Plus: Shockwave should be above rotf and dotm Megatron. And Optimus only has the highest kills on screen.

[@ramifaes6161]

Brother we need that jojo part 3 list suiiiii nice vid

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Yeah I’ll get to it. I still need to make my MCU phase 4 list I’m working on.

[@jesuschrist7645]

Would you please make an Undisputed fighters tier list next?

[@JordanTheRabbitMonkey]

1:13 wheelie also had a gun but it was covered by the shadows

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Yeah it looks like you’re right

[@oliver-04]

these Transformers love suprise attacks

[@mrchubzdathird5449]

Honestly Megatron overpowering optimus could have been from leverage as he tripped optimus and was above him

[@lukewunderli4191]

Like for a LEGO ninjago tier list

[@skyhook6445]

Hey Warrior will you ever do a tier list of supernatural tv series strength/power one day

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Yes I already started working on it a while back. It will probably be a while until it’s done though.

[@skyhook6445]

@@weeaboo-warrior thanks can’t wait for that I’ve rewatched supernatural seasons so many times now this is like my 5th or 6th rewatch

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@skyhook6445 yeah it’s one of my favorite shows. I think I’m on season 12 if my rewatch, but I’ve been busy so I slowed down.

[@TR1SKU1T]

YOU SHOULD MAKE A KARATE KID/COBRA KAI TIER LIST

[@legobob5139]

All d tier 😂😂😂

[@dagoodboy6424]

Loved transformers since i was a kid! Whats ur fave transformer? And if u were a transformer what would u turn into? I would be an osprey plane. Apparently they wanted to make a bot like that but its scene got cut.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Starscream was always my favorite. I really like Megatron in the Bay films and Lockdown as well. Of course Bay’s Optimus Prime as well. If I were a transformer I would either be a cool sports/muscle car or a plane so I could fly.

[@dindin203]

“class dismissed” ahhh my man ironhidee cashhh

[@user-je7pb3hn9m]

The new divide music😂

[@weeaboo-warrior]

I had to use it

[@MegaBenjamin]

Ironhide gotta be in commander, bro scared tf out of sentimental so sentimental had to take him by surprise

[@weeaboo-warrior]

I don’t think that means he scared Sentinel. Ironhide could possibly be that high, but the way Starscream did him dirty makes me doubt that. Maybe at the bottom of Commander next to Demolisher and Blackout.

[@MegaBenjamin]

@@weeaboo-warriorvalid

[@MrBeePrime]

Optimus Prime is the 🐐

[@user-ql6xw4mi5s]

Can you make a transformers prime cartoon tier list?

[@weeaboo-warrior]

I may one day.

[@alucardvekkia3966]

1:08 ladies and gentlemen, Weaboo Warrior

[@Jordanthomas95]

Solid list, where would you put Scourge on this list?

[@weeaboo-warrior]

I’ll let you know once I see the movie, which will probably be this weekend.

[@Jordanthomas95]

@@weeaboo-warrior I just saw the movie yesterday and was pretty impressed by scourge. Definitely in the prime tier, maybe even slightly above prime Optimus prime.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@Jordanthomas95I just watched it. He would probably at least go around 2007 Megatron level. I would still put him below the Fallen.

[@Jordanthomas95]

@@weeaboo-warrior I can’t remember it exactly but didn’t it imply that scourge was invincible due to Unicron’s magic or something?

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@Jordanthomas95 they said that, but clearly he wasn’t based off what happened in the movie. He seemed a bit stronger than Optimus in most fights, just like Megatron was.

[@larsthoreson7279]

Your should do a teir list on the boys next.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

I will be doing the boys at one point for sure. It's one of my favorite shows.

[@larsthoreson7279]

@@weeaboo-warrior thank you

[@kctr_ch7021]

Can u do all Pacific Rim Jaeger and Kaiju

[@weeaboo-warrior]

I might do that one day.

[@Pokemonuser7]

I love bumblebee like a brother

[@green-legacy]

i wonder if Optimus couldn’t use the matrix as nemesis

[@mrperfectcell5079]

little fun fact in the transformers movie guide for revenge of the fallen its actually stated rotf megatron is "Upgraded and deadlier than ever" so he should probably be much higher or tf1 megs should be much lower

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Yeah I’ve seen that. I actually show it in my rise of the beasts video. However I think guides like that are somewhat questionable because we don’t really know if that statement was proved by Bay or any of the Producers. It was probably the opinion of whatever writer was hired to write it. I do think Megatron became deadlier due to his giant claw, and he was thicker and more durable, but TF1 Megatron seemed faster and a better fighter. There is also the fact in TF4 Galvatron was trying to remake his TF1 body and not his TF2 body, which would imply he prefers his TF1 body. Also consider than in TF2 Megatron and Starscream were forced to retreat by the Autobots after Optimus was killed, while in TF1 all the Autobots had to retreat when Megatron showed up. If we do just straight up say TF2 Megatron is stronger, I would drop TF1 Megatron below him rather than raise TF2 Megatron.

[@mrperfectcell5079]

@@weeaboo-warrior the book was written by Simon furmon who has written numerous transformers tales including some comics which use the bayverse versions of the characters so he’s probably credible. Also megatron may only seem faster because he wasn’t getting ragdolled by Optimus in the 1st movie but that could just becaus Optimus gif stronger or became a better fighter. Also it’s kinda a bit headcanon to say which body he was tryna recreate and even then it doesn’t mean that body was inherently stronger than his ROTF body as that one was empowered by the all spark while this one wasn’t. Megatron retreating could be because he was severely weakened through his battle with Optimus which is actually directly stated in the ROTF junior novel that he fled due to his injuries with the same applying to starscream. Also again that giant claw isn’t gonna do much if he can’t hit anyone with it like if he’s so slow that he will never land a hit with it or it would be hard to hit someone with it then he should be easier to deal with that megatron making him less deadly if anything which is why I think his new body proportions don’t nerf him as much as people say if at all (or the physical amp he got from the all spark shard was greater than the nerf)

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@mrperfectcell5079 the tie in comics constantly get contradicted by the movies and aren’t really canon. That guy probably knows his stuff, but I wouldn’t treat it as 100% fact, but I do think it’s worth considering. We know Megatron was trying to recreate his movie one body because we see it in one of the screens in the movie, and we can see his Galvatron body looks like his body from the first movie. Optimus may have become stronger and a better fighter between movies, but considering he is thousands of years old, it seems a bit of a stretch for him to get noticeably stronger in just two years. I’m fine with that interpretation though. Putting TF1 Megatron bellow TF2 is fine.

[@mrperfectcell5079]

@@weeaboo-warrior glad to see you agree and I will agree the comics don’t always tie into the movies (some of them probably do) I just said that to show he does have a LOT of experience with transformers so he certainly should be taken as a credible source. I haven’t seen AOE in a while so I’ll take your word on the screen bit but for the appearance part the only reason it resembles his TF1 body more is because it isn’t 80% legs besides that there’s nothing really that makes it look like his TF1 body (by this logic you can also say it resembles his TF3 body shape) and as for Optimus getting stronger apparently the cybertron war only lasted a few decades so Optimus may not have been training beforehand since he wasn’t a fighter which to me makes it seem much more likely Optimus could have gotten a considerable increase but if you agree with TF2 megs beating TF1 megs then that’s fine by me

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@mrperfectcell5079 I think TF1 vs 2 Megs could be argued either way. I think both have credible arguments.

[@I_am_the_one101]

wish Jazz could show off more feats.

[@stephaniestapley2212]

Do a teen titans strength and power tier list

[@weeaboo-warrior]

I might one day. I liked that show as a kid.

[@sooper7374]

The reason Megatron lost to Optimus wasn't because he was moreso was because of his shotgun not being loaded, which gave Optimus the chance to blitz and rip off his head. Though I think Lockdown could be above Sentinel prime due to his bigger arsenal and agility. Sure Optimus was distracted, but he was also nerfed in the final fight against Sentinel when the decepticon ships shot at Optimus and Sentinel wasn't damaged when fighting the autobots. Not to mention the Optimus Lockdown fights a more experienced Optimus along with the matrix of leadership and even displaying stronger feats than before such as bullying grimlock

[@weeaboo-warrior]

That was a part of it, but Megatron was stated to be weaker in the movie. Lockdown did fight a more experienced prime, but we can’t quantify how much better he got, and Sentinel best Optimus fair and square while Lockdown didn’t.

[@sooper7374]

@@weeaboo-warrior No he didn't? Optimus still got hit and forced out of the fight from the ships

[@weeaboo-warrior]

And then Sentinel was attacked by all of the autobots and humans at once, so that makes it even. Then in the final fight there was no interference and Sentinel won. He also won and could have killed Optimus in their fight in Washington DC which had no interference. @@sooper7374

[@sooper7374]

@@weeaboo-warrior Yet sentinel wasn't wounded in that fight before fighting Optimus again. And yeah he could have but like in the video Optimus was holding back and wanted to convince him to stop his plan

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Yeah, that's why I don't like to use the D.C. fight, but it does show just how dangerous Sentinel is. As for the final fight, you would have to prove the decepticon ships hindered Optimus more than the autobots and humans hindered Sentinel. @@sooper7374

[@Willowmcminn]

Starscream in the first film put a reall big beating on itonhide and rachet, one close blast, taking bumblebees legs of. And then somehow loseing ot in the next two films.

[@davidkosiba624]

I can agree , tho i would say that Fallen should be above Quintessa , his telekinesis and teleportation just seems much more OP than whatever she can do

[@tacotown4598]

She can move a planet.

[@davidkosiba624]

@@tacotown4598 Can she tho?

[@tacotown4598]

@@davidkosiba624 uuh, yeah, how do you think cybertron got to earth lol?

[@PoIarisPrime]

​@@tacotown4598And she used that power (in full) against prime and he tanked it. People sleep on bayverse way too much

[@boi-4216]

⁠@@tacotown4598several things, one cybertron in TLK was about the size of a moon. Two, it didn’t seem like quintessa was not using her powers to move it and more so cybertron seemed to be manually moving through space. And third, she almost got one shot by a single blast from bee so yea, she really ain’t all that.

[@WeweGombelXD]

I think lockdown should be higher than tf1-tf3 Optimus, due to because he actually holding back most of the time, if he does try to kill optimus he could have done that when fighting rust Optimus or when he was shooting using his big face gun[tough,lockdown could have destroy Optimus legs{because optimus is now more upgraded, managed to tank optimus sword and the gunface from lockdown} or finishing off cade quickly] And for the fallen he should be in primus list, because the fallen last a longer fight than megatron tf2[even tho Megatron did a better battle/most to do the work while the fallen was chilling and weakend and manage to kill him from the back despite Optimus whooping his butt and only lost because of sam and could have won]nd manage to destroy one of optimus jetfire parts But the rest was alright

[@user-ct2sx4pp1l]

U see in dotm, if u see carefully sideswipe actually takes the battle most actively against sentinel because he killed his mentor. Ratchet and bee kinda backed down but sideswipe solely charged to him did some damage to sentinel

[@weeaboo-warrior]

sideswipe is a beast

[@King45321]

Can you please do transformers primes

[@jgonz1066]

I think jazz should have been in Elite if sideswipe is there jazz has more experience because in tf3 sideswipe was still in training by Ironhide and his blast where able to partially hurt Megatron they made him flinch not even hounds machine gun did that in tf5

[@annointedbytalos5673]

What is the second highest optimus supposed to be I'm a bit unsure if you mean extinction upgrade or flight tech in general. Or did something happen in knight I'm not aware of?(haven't seen the 4 & 5)

[@weeaboo-warrior]

It’s a prime Optimus. At the end of transformers 4 he gets a new sword and unlocks the ability to fly without flight tech. Optimus with flight tech would also be in that spot.

[@annointedbytalos5673]

@@weeaboo-warrior thank you for answering. I haven't watched them past dotm, but kept tabs on some developments over the years, but I didn't know about him flying without gear and such.

[@JorgeMartinez-dn8ft]

Now, would a hypotheical TF 5 Optimus Prime + JetFire Upgrades be stronger than Quintessa?

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Possibly, it's hard to say since Quintessa can apparently just disappear when hit.

[@tacotown4598]

Grimlock should be in prime tier. Mans kicked galvatron’s ass

[@BertugunKanal]

Strongest human is noah with exosuit i think

[@Novu3]

Although this tier list is so wrong awesome video

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Thanks. What do you think is wrong?

[@Novu3]

@@weeaboo-warrior Oh damn you answered didn't expect that Bumblebee would have gone into Mid-high Tier Ironhide Commander Tier Starscream Elite Tier Quintessa Low-tier Lockdown Elite-Tier Megatronus Primus-Tier Sentinel Prime Elite-Tier Grimlock Prime-Tier Steeljaw-Mid Tier Steelbane Prime Dragonstron Prime-Primus Tier Scorponok High-Tier DOTM Optimus Commander-Tier AOE Optimus High-Tier (AOE He hasn't ajusted to his new body making fighting hard like ROTF Megatron) This is all in Physical strength

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@Novu3 The list isn't based off physical strength, it's based off of overall combat ability.

[@Novu3]

Then I would still say about everything the same but Grimlock in Commander Tier Scorponok in Mid-tier @@weeaboo-warrior

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@Novu3 Quintessa can’t be that low. Starscream shouldn’t be a tier below Ironhide.

[@turnerbrawley4715]

Autobots roll out!!!

[@thegloriousryan8981]

Bee's placement feels really high ngl.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

He was made really OP in the last knight. Prior to that he would be a tier down.

[@thegloriousryan8981]

@@weeaboo-warrior idk even with his last knight powers I just don’t see him beating peak starscream

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@thegloriousryan8981 I think it could go either way. Starscream wins if he stays in the sky, Bumblebee wins if the fight is up close.

[@makus3016]

Good list but lockdown should be higher than optimus

[@weeaboo-warrior]

I disagree. Did you see my explanations?

[@Eradicator_MK666]

​@@weeaboo-warrior lockdown still should be higher at least 2007-DOTM versions because his mission want to capture Optimus not killed him and since AOE Optimus is more stronger but less skilled than DOTM optimus But then again he did make a mistake by stabbed Optimus chest and said"Its my fight and you all are gonna die"

[@jaxzonpfile-blakely6370]

Why did Optimus kill Bonecrusher, my man only wanted a Hug!

[@nova_zar]

Ah sweet, Transformers power levels 😁 Jolt solos Jiren

[@LnmHive]

I think you forgot Bulldog, he would probably be on the Low or Mid tier though

[@weeaboo-warrior]

I left him off because he was featless and barely in the movie, but yeah, he’s probably low tier.

[@V4Vendetta77]

Rick and Morty Tier list?

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Yes, I want to make one eventually.

[@mody_002]

Can we get a dceu teir list

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Yeah I will probably make one right around when Aquaman 2 comes out

[@MattGonzalez-rv3gu]

lock down couldn't go for the kill not to mention it says in the movie that lockdown had Optimus but cemetery win let him get away

[@weeaboo-warrior]

That means Cemetery Wind was there helping him. Lockdown ambushes his targets, as seen with Ratchet and later with Optimus when he was fighting Galvatron. We do not know how Lockdown got the better of Optimus in Mexico, and we can't just assume he won fair and square.

[@phantomhd7889]

Cementary wind didn't help Lockdown at all. Lockdown was about to kill Optimus easily if it wasn't for the humans, because Lockdown said this: '3 direct hits, mortal wound, then YOUR men allowed him to escape '

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@phantomhd7889 that doesn’t prove they didn’t help him.

[@MattGonzalez-rv3gu]

@@weeaboo-warrior I just wish we had a fair 1 on 1 with lockdown and prime in the end

[@grazie6704]

1:08 I just realize.

[@TheNemkris]

Do scissor seven please.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

I haven’t watched that yet, how is it?

[@TheNemkris]

@@weeaboo-warrior One of my favorites, perfect balance of comedy and action IMO. The Chinese took some time to get used to though after watching so many Japanese animes.

[@ArchiveInContext]

Bro jetfire in his prime would be the most powerful transformer other than unicron said by the fact that he said to prime “you will feel an unexplainable power with my parts” in revenge of the fallen

[@weeaboo-warrior]

He meant the combination of prime with his parts. Jetfire admitted only a prime can defeat the fallen so Jetfire

[@kingofprehistory7851]

Grimlock deserves prime tier tbh, he ragdolled megatron, dreadbot, nitro zeus AND barricade in a single battle. Although ppl like to say that grim lost to optimus if you think about it grimlock likely wasnt fighting seriously or fighting to win but instead was testing prime to earn the dinobots aid Also i refuse to believe that bumblee, grindor or starscream are in the same tier as grimlock

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Grimlock never ragdolled Megatron, just dreadbot and barricade. He has no counter to Starscream bumbarding him with missiles from the sky, and Bumblebee put up a way better fight against prime.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Grimlock never ragdolled Megatron, just dreadbot and barricade. He has no counter to Starscream bombarding him with missiles from the sky, and Bumblebee put up a way better fight against prime.

[@kingofprehistory7851]

@@weeaboo-warrior actually grimlock did ragdoll megs in the town battle, he slammed megs to the ground before killing dreadbot and later can be seen toppling nitro zeus. Also like i said, grimlock arguably battled not to win but so that prime could earn their aid. We see megatron being equal if not barely surpassing optimus as he overpowers the prime with a single arm even with bees help. Starscream aint gonna be bombing grimlock forever.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@kingofprehistory7851 Oh I thought that was barricade not Megatron. I don’t think toppling Nitro Zeus means much, I already have him a tier higher than him. Grimlock holding back on Optimus is head canon. Optimus could be argued as holding back as well as he didn’t want to kill the Dinobots he just wanted them to join him. Grimlock is extremely strong don’t get me wrong, he is just slow and lacks range. In terms of pure physical strength he is definitely prime tier.

[@kingofprehistory7851]

@@weeaboo-warrior though i could argue him being placed higher i respect your viewpoint

[@NetVerse.]

Dilon didn't hav the gun all the time, he had the gun after sam dropped it.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Do we know that's the dame gun? Anyways, he seems like the type of person who would have a gun on him if needed. And he beat Sam in their hand to hand fight so he should go above him regardless if he has a gun or not.

[@NetVerse.]

@@weeaboo-warrior prob the same gun as he did picked it up right after sam dropped it and it wouldn't make sense if he switched it. But fax sam did lose their h2h

[@herobrinegow8858]

So i made tier list, well i can say that a dog can solo all of them no cap

[@HumanoidPerson]

We all have to remember Optimus is cu- I mean coming..

[@Wun244]

7:13 I would argue that their fight would be a better reason for why skids is stronger

[@weeaboo-warrior]

What do you mean? Are you talking about their fight in Egypt?

[@Wun244]

@@weeaboo-warrior yeah

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@Wun244 yeah I think skids was winning that fight too, but the fight was stopped early. He objectively won the fight for the car which is why I used that.

[@Wun244]

@@weeaboo-warrior makes sense

[@tongatapu7325]

Shockwave > DOTM Megatron and Sentinel > OG Megatron but other than that it's a good list.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Sentinel might be above movie 1 Megatron if you think movie 2 Megatron is just as good as movie 1 Megatron and Optimus just one so easily because he got better. What makes you say Shockwave is above DOTM Megatron?

[@tongatapu7325]

@@weeaboo-warrior Both got killed by Optimus rather easily, but Megatron was at full strenght vs. a badly wounded Optimus. Shockwave did equally terrible against a full power Optimus. Megatron was hiding all the time, while Shockwave stood at the frontline almost the entire battle. I also think that base DOTM Optimus was the strongest version of the character in all Transformers movies, so Sentinel being stronger is a better feat than Megatron in the 1st film.

[@weeaboo-warrior]

@@tongatapu7325 I do think movie 3 Optimus is better than movie 1 Optimus, but Sentinel won after a very close fight while Megatron won pretty easily, so it’s hard to quantify who is better. Megatron wasn’t participating in the battle, but I don’t think that necessarily means he would lose. His gun has better feats than Shockwave’s and he was able to rip apart Sentinel with his bare hands. Shockwave might be stronger, but it’s hard to say based off his lack of feats. We never got to see him fight someone all out.

[@tongatapu7325]

@@weeaboo-warrior Sentinel didn't use his rust-gun in the final fight, most likely because he was out of ammo. If he had it Optimus would've been toast rather quickly. But yes, in the end some pairings ar pretty hard to rank, like the two I mentioned.

[@tongatapu7325]

@arthur Gillet He was at full Power in the DOTM context. I was not comapering him to other iterations in this sentence.

[@theoneandonlyrandomgamer5749]

If he was revived with his original body he would absolutely destroy most autobots even optimace would be afraid

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Are you talking about Megatron?

[@Agurk33]

@@weeaboo-warriori think so

[@Eradicator_MK666]

and i think the list jetfire should be commander list because jetfire at its peak can be arguably stronger than optimus and megatron as jetfire is also like the fallen, has some abilites and magic

[@weeaboo-warrior]

In his prime he is probably that high, but I ranked him as he was in the movie.

[@Eradicator_MK666]

​@@weeaboo-warriorah alright got it

[@OMGitsBababoey]

Forgot to comment yesterday... So COMMENT!

[@Eradicator_MK666]

I mostly agree on the list however i think the scaling for primes and primus tier(my opinion)are: Megatron(ROTF)>>Optimus Prime(2007-ROTF)

[@phantomhd7889]

How can ROTF Megatron be your strongest here?

[@Eradicator_MK666]

​@@phantomhd7889uhh no, i didnt put Megatron (ROTF) the strongest, he is the lowest

[@phantomhd7889]

@@Eradicator_MK666 you literally said that Megatron ROTF>Optimus 2007-ROTF

[@Eradicator_MK666]

​@@phantomhd7889ohh alright sorrry about that