TRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS on THE FALLEN

[@joshtompkins1538]

Can we just talk about the fact that Shockwave is technically the root of all evil in the IDW transformers lore?

[@anueutsuho7425]

He invented everything

[@artursales259]

Simply the most efficient Decepticon

[@Lunalite]

It's only logical ;)

[@videogollumer]

I mean, I've thought for I while now that he's arguably more evil than Megatron; between the Marvel Comics, Fall of Cybertron, War for Cybertron: Earthrise, and the IDW comics. Yet, somehow, I've taken a liking to this cold-blooded, camera-headed, creep. I guess I'm drawn in by his focus on logic. His lack of emotions and expressionless face would suggest he could pass for an ordinary robot, but the scary truth is that there's a cunning mind inside that camera head of his. His loyalties are pretty clear; he defers to logic first, the Decepticon cause second, and Megatron third. His uncompromising logical nature and his ambition unhindered by emotion really make him a scary character, in a thrilling chilling sense.

[@videogollumer]

@@DonovanFox-kd1gb Ooooof course he did. lol

[@rayo146-x8x]

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Megatronus the Fallen? I thought not. It's not a story the Autobots would tell you. It's a Decepticon legend. Megatronus was a Transformer created by Primus, so powerful and so wise he could use the Energon Harvester to influence the Allspark to create...life. He had a loving relationship with Solus Prime that he was driven to keep the one he cared about from dying. And...the dark temptations of Liege Maximo is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful...the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, the dark influence turned him against his Conjux Endura; then he killed Solus, his one true love, beginning the War of Primes. From that day on, he was cast out by his brothers, and stripped of his power, separated from Solus in a vain quest to return her to life, waiting for the last Prime to kill him for his corruption. Ironic, he could save others from death, but not himself.

[@foldabotZ]

Ah, he now seems more like Darth Vader than Megatron is tho. Though I still see Megatron as like Vader and the Fallen like the Emperor.

[@myriadmediamusings]

Is it possible to learn his power?

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

Is it possible to learn this power?

[@rayo146-x8x]

@@myriadmediamusings Not from an Autobot...

[@foldabotZ]

@@myriadmediamusings Not from an Autobot(or Prime)...

[@TFfangeek]

"The Basics" has risen to become the best video series about the Transformers here on KZbin. :D

[@seanmorgan2356]

I agree. It's my number 1 go-to source for Transformers info.

[@TFfangeek]

@@seanmorgan2356 Same here. :D

[@briankiser3227]

Not even a question as far as I have found.

[@Wildthing1701]

Totally agree!

[@Depth217]

TFfangeek agreed. No other series comes close especially not any follow-the-leaders that have popped up.

[@Rexart35]

I like his live action movie design. He had that ancient yet menacing Egyptian alien vibe to him while the other versions just seem to make him look like a bigger, badder version of Megatron. Sure, that could be the case but the live action version had that unique silhouette to him that I appreciated imo.

[@tylerfish2701]

He reminds me of General Grievous a bit.

[@deltaknight2764]

Well, I honestly love his IDW design because he's LITERALLY just Movie Megatron with real hands and face.

[@ltb1345]

I agree. I prefer the Egyptian God-like design to the Megatron 2.0 design that he usually has.

[@SuperSwordman1]

Honestly while his design in the Bayformers series still isn't great, I do have to admit it's far better than the Megatron knock off he usually looks like. But I still almost prefer the Megatron knock off because then he at least looked unique among his siblings. Poor dude just can't seem to get a good solid evergreen design.

[@NoahDaArk]

LegoTurtle Brickfilms Might be cool to see a hybrid of the two designs. I mean Megatron’s whole deal is to try and replicate Megatronus in every way, so he has to look somewhat like Megs

[@dsscarsalesman5994]

Fun fact. They got Mark Hamill to voice Megatronus for the machinima series

[@fabianrocha9924]

The Clown Of Crime?! The son of the Choosen One?! Megatronus?!

[@christianbryan6961]

Firelord/Phoenix King Ozai, the Trickster, and about 2 dozen other villains

[@rayo146-x8x]

@@fabianrocha9924 Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

[@nicholasalicea1364]

What series

[@omarsalem1219]

@@nicholasalicea1364 power of the primes

[@kristofgriffin384]

Fun fact! In the movie, The Fallen/Megatronus is voiced by Tony Todd, a.k.a. Candyman. And a few years later, he would provide the voice for Dreadwing in the second season of Transformers Prime.

[@alexolson1716]

If you say his name five times in a mirror, he will shoot you.

[@thunderbolt4579]

He also acted as the undertaker in final destination

[@isaacalexander5286]

And will voice Venom in Insomniac Spider-man 2

[@Captain_Cheeeseballs]

And Darkseid in the DCAU

[@arcrisgonzaga7324]

He's been in alot of animated stuff

[@Toon_Lucario]

The Fallen: has extreme power including teleportation, telekinesis, and the ability to manipulate minds Optimus: *Y O U R F A C E H A N D I T O V E R*

[@godzillus2008]

That’s Optimus all right

[@AirlessVent]

Face it, that scene was badass. Couldn't face away. Should've seen my face.

[@ЦветомирИванов-т8ь]

Angelic Toast we can all agree he took your face HAHAHAHHAHAHH

[@mithmoonwalker]

vector prime: *walks back in time*

[@danklockdown9757]

G I V E M E Y O U R F A C E

[@TFICreations]

I always loved the aligned continuity of the Fallen, however once I started reading the IDW movie tie in comics, the Fallen’s story in the Michael Bay continuity really grew on me. So much so I’ve began a new series translating the comics to a stop motion styled story.

[@soundwavesuperiorvictor-og6048]

@023 Studios I think he is amazing

[@dragonstorm92]

I think your show is good

[@ltb1345]

023 Studios We've all gotta do it at some point.

[@astr0man1ac29]

Fancy meetin' you here TFI

[@shardsoftime0952]

The fallen is the best part of transformers 2

[@aaronbill3]

You CAN see The Fallen’s alt mode incredibly briefly in Revenge of the Fallen. While he’s teleporting around as an indistinct blur in the battle in Egypt you can see- if you pause the footage- that he’s in the shape of his toy’s shuttle mode.

[@mrandmrsduquette1904]

Thank you. That was my first reaction to that part of the video: "What? No! You can too see his jet form in the movie!"

[@jakejohnson718]

Get this man higher up in the comment section

[@ChrisMcFeely]

Guys, he's really not. He's in robot mode with his limbs splayed out - which is what the basic silhouette of his nonsense-jet mode looks like, which is why people think that. imgur.com/a/YxCdq5C

[@aaronbill3]

he just looks like kinda of a + shape in the few frames he's on screen in the bit I'm describing tho

[@Laserbeak316]

Personally it never really bothered me that the Fallen never transformed in the film despite his toy showing that he did. I always saw it as a nice callback to how in G1, the very first Cybertronians never could transform.

[@myriadmediamusings]

Ah Megatronus, the Judas of the 13 Primes. To paraphrase Jontron, he has Fallen...and he chose NOT to get up! Gonna throw in my guesses for Episode 100: Primus or G1 Optimus Prime.

[@twistedgaming9185]

Definitely Primus since Optimus has a lot of different incarnations to cover in just one video.

[@titanstudios2683]

And Optimus prime is I'm gonna choose

[@MidoriNatsume]

Sir, making a Jontron Joke into an epic quote is too awesome to be legal, you are under arrest.

[@cybersketcher1130]

He's closer to Mordrid from Arthur's Knights.

[@Deinobi]

@@titanstudios2683 I see you are a homo sapien of culture as well

[@brycevo]

I love the Fallen's tragic love backstory. It's so much better than "he's Evil because he is"

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

True, he's basically Darth Vader and that would make Solus Prime, Padme...

[@krysc3278]

With that backstory, it would be curious that in some comic line they put him not like mad for power to revive his lost love, but to prevent a cataclysm that would destroy the planet cybertron and the relics that Solus once made. Like putting him in a "hero" side once in his life, like, i don't know, a Unicron corrupted Megatron or original decepticon seeks to destroy Cybertron and their prime relics (cliche, i know) to consume the universe in darkness without resistence, but Megatronus helps Optimus and the autobots to find a way to stop the chaos bringer, because in his exile he realized that Solus could not be brought back to life, and the relics she made were all to remember her, and they could not be destroyed because for him, lose those relics, is to lose for ever his love.

[@adolfopaezdiaz4371]

I like his tragic love backstory too but the original incarnation of The Fallen being a mysterious lord of chaos is very intriguing.

[@ltb1345]

I mean, he kind of had a point in the movies. The humans looked like primitive insects to him.

[@brandonlyon730]

@@ltb1345 But isn’t it a bit overkill to kill them off and betray his brothers just to absorb the sun when there literally trillions of other stars out there?

[@beastwarsFTW]

I like how the Armor of Unicron that Transformers Cyberton's version of Megatron wore has become part of Megatronus's look. It also implies that that Megatron was actually Megatronus instead.

[@christopherbravo1813]

I'd say the implication is that Megatron in Cybertron was merged with Unicron's spark, with Unicron fully corrupting Megatron upon his final transformation into Galvatron.

[@fanguy99]

Would make more sense in Galaxy force instead

[@misterpeterman]

Both times Megatronus was shown is animation, he was voiced by actors with ties to 80’s science fiction. In the Robots in Disguise series he was voiced by Gil Gerard of “Buck Rogers in the 25th Century” fame, and in the Machinima series was voiced by the great Mark Hamill.

[@bradstar9023]

I like the aligned continuity version cause if gives him more of a tragic backstory

[@Megamanlanprime]

It does... until you realize that it’s essentially trying to be the original origin but without any connection to Unicron and makes Megatronus more of a victim. I personally rather like the idea that Unicron convinced him to betray and kill the other members of the Thirteen. It makes more sense and gives him more of a purpose if you bring him into modern stories then the other origins.

[@dragonstorm92]

Perfect origin = liege Maximo mind controls/hypnotises Megatronus into killing Solus Prime. Megatronus says liege Maximo controlled him but no one believes him due to his already dark nature. He is then cast out , rage filled , he turns to unicron seeking revenge For solus and himself. (Personal origin)

[@Megamanlanprime]

dragonstorm 92 The other odd thing is that is a massive retcon to Leige Maximo too. Yes he represents “evil” and “darkness” in the Thirteen, but he’s also been depicted as unwilling to really try to actually hurt or kill any of them. He still respects and cares about them.

[@skuarf]

@@Megamanlanprime Liege Maximo is more of a schemer, the newer version is more morally ambiguous than outright evil and tempts others to cross boundaries. While he is the aspect of war he is depicted more like a machiavellian strategist. War can be and is psychological too. For me he just convinced Megatronus to keep the requiem blaster for himself at all costs in case it was ever needed again, feeding him with lies, paranoia and distrust for the "poor judgment" of the other Thirteen. After all it was a sound choice from the point of a strategist to not discard an OP weapon.

[@trence5]

@@skuarf Liege Maximo... now doesn't his visage look vaguely familiar? *cough**cough*l0k!*cough.

[@KamoseMills]

I first encountered Megatronus back in 2009 in ROTF. I think I like his Combiner Wars trilogy incarnation most Chris.

[@PanthEr6489]

because he's around for more than two seconds without getting his face ripped off

[@Boom__6678]

Yes I agree

[@ltb1345]

I like his ROTF incarnation better than his Prime Wars Trilogy incarnation, TBH.

[@lordstarscreamproductions970]

Yeah prime wars megatronus was good

[@richieosborn2639]

Barsenthor Battlemaster I agree! Prime Wars Trilogy Megatronus showed them how much of a threat he was far more than the Bayformers movies.

[@cyberprime9355]

I remember seeing 2009's Revenge of the Fallen as a kid and couldn't believe it. A character that was much more vicious and enigmatic than the gladiatorial Megatron? Hell. Yes.(Yes, the movies were my introduction to the Transformers brand) In retrospect, I favor the Aligned Continuities' take on Megatronus. Specifically, TF exodus and exiles, and the C.O.P. as a griefing antihero who was responible for the murder of his beloved Solus. On top of that, we get to hear him voiced by the Joker's VA, Mark Hamill.

[@ilikeapples1824]

You poor thing, your introduction to the transformers franchise was the movies, poor, poor thing

[@ulty1472]

Naaah the aligned version is stupid

[@obijuanjabroni7543]

Hope there's a Studio Series figure for The Fallen coming out..

[@ReBirthMagni]

I have come from the future to let you know it exists

[@johnnygyro2295]

I first encountered Megatronus/Fallen in the Bayverse movies though, in hindsight, his backstory feels empty without Unicron. Plus, thanks to the Sentinel, Optimus having to deal with two evil predecessors feels redundant. That being said, Megatronus' backstories before and after said film, being a disciple of Unicron and tragic romance with Solus Prime are definitely interesting.

[@N1GHTSTRIKER-45]

Megatronus In Most Transformers Media: *The Traitorous Prime* Megatronus In Transformers One: Ayo Why This Miner Kid Is Using My Face As A Hate Symbol?!?!?!

[@SourRobo8364]

I don't care he looks like Tarn. I want a figure of that version.

[@jimbodeek]

TF One Megatronus: Why are you guys so evil? ROTF/Dreamwave/Aligned/IDW Megatronus: Why aren’t you?

[@superdinobros1262]

​@@jimbodeek TF One Megatronus: Well.... It's Just..... In My Universe. I Love My Brethrens So Much Because They Are My Family..... Why am I the only one who is Loyal while you guys betrayed them when they are your family? 😢

[@sivanlevi3867]

The Requiem Blaster first appeared in Transformers Armada, as one of three Minicon weapons hidden on Earth. It was formed by the Space Minicon Team, Astroscope, Skyblast and Payload, who were then captured by the Decepticons to create the Hydra Cannon.

[@battleupsaber462]

Anyone notice how at 3:33 the Fallen prepares to step on humans with his right foot, but in the next shot he uses his left foot instead?

[@ChrisMcFeely]

oh my god I genuinely never did

[@mislavgrosinic5584]

Omg i never saw it o.o

[@Sealhunt]

Damn, your right! What did he do, hop in the air and switch feet? Anyway, good catch!

[@ltb1345]

"You thought I was going to step on you with my right foot, but it was my left foot!"

[@jollypop_comics8759]

7:22 "With the Fallen's face serving as the basis for their insignia." *Soundwave would like to know your location.*

[@nofacedgoldfish6216]

@Screaming Soldier I think the time stamp was referring to Soundwave there, as he looks similar to the logo in TFP.

[@shanedaley6236]

I don't really see it with the fallen I understand it being Soundwave

[@nofacedgoldfish6216]

@@shanedaley6236 Most versions of the Fallen is meant to resemble the Decepticon logo, as he is the original Decepticon and the traitorous Prime "Megatronus."

[@President_Starscream]

Megatronus, as all primes, is a relic of a primitive time and should have remained in the past, forgotten by proper modern Cybertronian society.

[@ls_rus4666]

Yet some buckethead gladiator named himself after that guy

[@Megamanlanprime]

I mean, he did almost kill all of you Transformers without a care in War Within, easily dispatching Grimlock and trashed a Major Autobot force just to get Blitzwing, and even Shockwave agreed on a truce with the Autobots to fight him. So it might be better to not forget about the guy who can destroy your society while not even breaking a sweat.

[@nil981]

And yet cybertronians are effectively slaves to their past.

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

Shut up Starscream, you're afraid that he will kill you...

[@notgray88]

This comment is just bad comedy.

[@DragonspineInfiniteZero]

Encountering the fallen from dream wave must have been like meeting the devil itself, with the sound of grinding and scraping metal heralding his arrival bellowing like a furnace heralding an inferno that would consume all, a juggernaut of cosmic proportions. Remember that giant robot from the first episode of Justice League Unlimited kinda like that

[@daneyal7162]

I remember being first introduced to this character when Revenge of The Fallen was about to arrive to theaters. His movie design was so bizzare and different than the transformers designs that I saw over the years, and his backstory really intrigued me. To this day, he remains my favorite Transformers villain.

[@Cdr2002]

So.....if the Primes are “siblings”, what does that say about Fallen and Solus’s relationship.... Also thanks for the reminder of IDW’s “Shockwave did everything” nonsense -_-

[@themostbritishpersonalive868]

Shut up no don't

[@krysc3278]

"Fuck logic, she hot" that's whay i think megatronus said

[@siamsuleri8279]

in the covenant of primus, the 13 are supposed to be parts of Primus, and the book also explains that concepts like gender and family and etc. aren't part of Cybertron, so their relationship was fine

[@mrheroprimes]

well the Greco-Roman gods did the same thing.

[@sebastiangaray8494]

IDW shockwave : everyone is dumb except meeeeeee

[@18t32]

RIP Tony Todd who voiced the Fallen in ROTF

[@thesupershinymegagengar2034]

When I noticed Maximo looks exactly like a cybertronian version of Loki, I knew he'd be the source of all this tragedy.

[@rickyrackey7930]

Rest in Peace to the Greatest Prime who ever lived.

[@seanmorgan2356]

The introduction of the 13 primes was a game changer for me as well. Its what brought me back to the Transformers after years away.

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

Ah, yes, the Judas of Transformers lore

[@foldabotZ]

That's what they call him on TFWiki.net

[@myriadmediamusings]

And thus it is fitting that this episode comes out during Holy Week.

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

@@myriadmediamusings very true

[@vasily3127]

@@myriadmediamusings omg yes, i just realize this channel upload it during holy week on purpose🤣

[@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847]

So, who is Jesus in this one?

[@KikBlava]

It's funny that he's now considered the first Decepticon when the Liege Maximo was the proginator of the Decepticons in Generation 2. Although the IDW comics did reinstate Maximo as the Prime of Deceit responsible for them, until you remember he was Shockwave's retroactive creation in that continuity. When you read Generation 2 you feel as if Liege Maximo is less of a name and more of a title, which leads me to think that Furman may have originally intended to call him something similar to Megatronus to make it look 'shocking'.

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

KikBlava I remember early years in the internet where people flat out thought Liege and the Fallen were the same person. Plus given the Fallen’s later origins as being the first Decepticon something Maximo already claimed in his first appearance, seems that they were meant to be 1 person but later made into 2 beings. That way we can have 2 evil primes who represents opposite evils Fallen the one who does evil actions, and Maximo who manipulates others into doing evil deeds.

[@trence5]

IDW made me give them the side-eye for that. Shockwave, survives his "explosion" at the end of "Dark Cybertron" - instead ended up being thrust back into the distant past and was behind some of the events throughout Cybertronian history leading up to the rise of the "common" era Megatron and the Civil War. Yeah ok....

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

trence5 It’s why the meme “SHOCKWAVE DID IT!” is a thing

[@RingoLoadagain]

I wish Liege Maximo was less of an obvious Loki ripoff.

[@KikBlava]

@@RingoLoadagain Yeah I didn't care for his redesign. Its almost like Maximo is now meant to be Starscream's direct ancestor or something. His more demonic G2 design was a lot cooler. At least in IDW he has the tubes in his body G2 gave him.

[@battleupsaber462]

Help! I've Fallen and i can't get up!

[@beaugalaz963]

Cue drum beat xD

[@matthewreynoso6904]

Hahahaha!

[@carsonyeohkaisheng7542]

You still fallen?

[@Zero01k]

*The Dark Angel's would like to know your location*

[@asmodai2025]

@@Zero01k FALLEN?! WHERE?!

[@mabelpines1225]

Basics on ravage the cute decpticon kitty.

[@boobah5643]

So, _Shattered Glass_ Ravage, then?

[@mabelpines1225]

@@boobah5643 well he would probably be mentioned. But he has his share of cute moments througout continuities.

[@johnivanoplimo5172]

*"DECEPTICONS FOREVER!!!"*

[@matthewreynoso6904]

Basics on Vector Prime

[@carsonyeohkaisheng7542]

It taste the same as a normal cat

[@codrinm.mitrofan5869]

In Transformers One, he was a benevolent prime who unfortunately was slayed by Sentinel. His cog was used firstly by Sentinel, and then by Megatron.

[@SuperSwordman1]

Him being a fallen anti-hero is defiantly a more enjoyable than just being evil. This does raise the question as to why Liege Maximo is out and out evil, but I love the trope "Dark is not evil" and that applies (originally) to Megatronus. Making note of that for my series...

[@fabianrocha9924]

I like to think that Liege Maximo is the opposite of Prima

[@SuperSwordman1]

@@fabianrocha9924 How so?

[@fabianrocha9924]

@@SuperSwordman1 Well tfwiki saya that he considers himself Prima's opposite so... (tfwiki.net/wiki/Liege_Maximo )

[@SuperSwordman1]

@@fabianrocha9924 Okay then

[@scarletrain6757]

I like the incarnation of the fallen from prime where he exiled himself for accidentally killing Solus, it shows that megatron’s inspiration was of false legends and the real megatronus was in a way a victim to bullying his brothers

[@dreademperor2094]

Possible redemption story arc material?

[@tausiftaha12]

Honestly, yea, RID ruined it... Like most things, but let's just pretend it doesn't exist.

[@Sealhunt]

He's basically an evil phoenix? Very dope! The movie version of him was terrifying. The DreamWave version was badass...actually, they all were!

[@waterking74]

0:34 megatronus: i don't think me being constantly on fire is normal... im actually in pain. *I think Primus made me wrong* :(

[@dweemiesdarkmount]

I think Primus overcooked him.

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

@@dweemiesdarkmount that's why he's the 12th Prime...

[@dreademperor2094]

Primus: hold on I'll fix this *repairs Megatronus and gets rid of the flames* much better *realized that he almost looks like Unicron* Scrap, welp you'll be Prima's opposite then

[@sdm47]

Sentinel: “good thing I transform into a fire truck

[@shanedaley6236]

Lol

[@tannerprice2018]

We definitely need to see more of Megatronus/The Fallen in future TF stories, since he largely appears as a major part of the Decepticon’s rise to power.

[@Oldaccount57548]

“ i want your face “ top ten quotes that happen before disaster

[@BennyLlama39]

Along with the T-1000 from T2. "Say... that's a nice bike." And we all know what happened to *that* guy. 😀

[@Oldaccount57548]

Yep

[@Boom__6678]

Here's another "a deal had to be made... with megatron" I'm still P-i-s-sed about that

[@Oldaccount57548]

True

[@ltb1345]

GIVE ME YOUR FACE.

[@TheGenuineDWNUT]

I first encountered this character in 2009's Revenge of the Fallen but my favourite version of his backstory has to be the Aligned Continuity's tragic take.

[@melvinshine9841]

7:07 So the "gun just went off"? Didn't know Cybertronians tried that defense, too. Now I'm wondering how domestic violence is handled on Cybertron.

[@WhysoSeriousSamual]

It is interesting he said accidentally shot his lover, something tells me we don't know the full story. I'm starting to think liege Maximo needed megatronus out of the way gamma the only one brutal enough to see through the lies of the wicked one. Maybe liege Maximo set this all up. Something not mentioned, was why they were fighting. According to the Articles I've read liege Maximo had given Solus a trans organic. Megatronus killed it after Solus Prime was shot. Me thinks that might be important

[@SIZLL]

He didn't kill her! The cybertronian glove didn't fit.

[@Phanto5692]

Did you see the beginning of Revenge of the Fallen? There you go.

[@guywithaface887]

Solus: Dies Megatronus: Help I've fallen and I can't get up

[@9594Jacob]

I have learned about the Fallen through the movie of all things, his origins in Aligned and Machemia were my favorite. This video is most detailed on the different version of the character. Keep up the good work, you are amazing at your Transformers research one of the best.

[@sivanlevi3867]

I first encountered Megatronus in the Revenge of the Fallen, but I like the Alligned continuity origin as many characters were given some tragic qualities about them for this line of stories. I also watched the Power of the Primes cartoon and loved his design for it.

[@raemhildskyler5570]

“This planet is not yours to rule, the Fallen shall rise again”

[@PanthEr6489]

Not today - Murderous Prime

[@matthew_natividad]

Punkass decepticon

[@MrMajorasmask101]

Evan Skrab more like Prickumus prime

[@Boom__6678]

Not today

[@Zaire82]

10:48 Such a lost opportunity to say _"The Fallen... shall rise again."_

[@brianlevine871]

Bayformers was my introduction to The Fallen, but after watching this video, IDW's story sounds like it has the best backstory. Just the idea that someone accidentally killed their lover with something made by them, and turning evil after grieving over it, is fascinating in and of itself.

[@LB74]

First time was the Dreamwave mini series, TF:WAR WITHIN-The Dark Ages. It was mentioned that while the Fallen's physical form was destroyed by the end of the story. His spirit was causing some big problems in the modern era. And was supposed to be the one either possessing, or motivating Sunstorm in the first arc of the ongoing Dreamwave series. And was supposed to possess Jetfire later on in storyline that never reached fruition thanks to Dreamwave's bankruptcy .

[@stevencisneros9306]

I remember the Fallen when I was a kid, it’s his live action film debut in TF2, though I am intrigued of many of his other designs, especially the one where he made his first appearance in the comics!!

[@roboninja3194]

"Now i claim your sun." Oh wait we need another 5-10 mins. During those 5-10 mins i will stand on a pyramid doing a weird dance while Optimus figures out a way to fly up there and blow up my sun claiming machine. Then i will have my face torn off and die. Despite the fact i can teleport, i have telekinetic ability, and i am a prime. I hate Michael Bay.

[@dapperdanman8486]

don't get me wrong, he can definitely direct and his ideas are pretty good, the visuals are amazing but in the end the execution isn't perfect. Love the first 3 movies but my god they're not as good as I remember

[@melvinshine9841]

I actually liked some aspects of the first movie (maybe because I knew almost nothing about Transformers at the time), but Revenge of The Fallen is the worst movie I have ever payed money to see.

[@Shredder-z2n]

Humans don't deserve sun

[@mro-aviation]

@@melvinshine9841 i think it's 2nd best movie. The backstory and concept was a great idea but as you said the execution was bad. Then there's the whole TF history which is good and the later movies get weird with oh Bumblebee was already on earth 1940s and Jetfire's ancestors the wheel and of the pillars from part 3 and the decepticons messing with NASA and Russian space programs.

[@mro-aviation]

Oh, and on top of the writers strike that happened that year. That's why 2nd movie thr plot wasn't overly complex as other movies.

[@sithspartan6248]

Anyone coming back to this after seeing the reveal of his new toy for Age of the Primes?

[@skintgirafde320]

Yep!

[@THANATOS-PRIME]

Yes

[@cosmiclyrics2307]

Can't wait for the 100th episode! I thought I knew Transformers before I found this channel around a year and a half ago, but now i can say i really know Transformers, not a lot, but a hell lot more than i initially did. Been a fan since then. These videos make me look forward to saturdays. Keep up the good work

[@keithtorgersen9664]

Thank you for explaining the Transformers live action film. At the time, I really had no clue about the context.

[@ravenfal1496]

I would love to see an amalgamation if The Fallen’s original and aligned stories. It’s be because he fell under Unicron’s thrall even as they defeat the Chaos Bringer that he eventually turns on his fellow Primes, which could in turn inspire the Liege Maximo to evil.

[@ChrisMcFeely]

The Aligned story has a little bit of a shade of this, in that it's suggested ALL the Primes become a little tainted by Unicron's shadow of evil after their final battle with him, and that that influence is the reason for their inevitable falling out, but Alpha Trion notes that such a thing was only truly possible because of the hatreds and resentments that already existed between them in the first place.

[@novustalks7525]

The prime wars version is the best iteration of him. Its tragic but also shoes how powerful he really is

[@fenrirsrage4609]

Imma be real the Dreamwave design is my favorite. And that action figure is *chefs kiss* Mwah, exquisite.

[@bahrahfahofficial1158]

My first run-in with The Fallen was his Titanium toy but I was too young to really acknowledge WHO he was. My first MEMORABLY CONSCIOUS run-in with The Fallen was in Revenge of the Fallen who, of course, I did reading upon way back when I pieced together that it was the same name I had seen back when I was kid, playing with the Titanium figure. It pretty well blew my mind and popped the lid off of my curiosity on Transformers as I then went on to read EVERYTHING. Which reminds me: These videos are fantastic! It's crazy to think you're already coming up to episode 100 when, yesterday, feels like a time where you had only eight videos.

[@DavidDavid-lr6uu]

Did you ever hear the last conversation before the tragic death of Megatronus, the Fallen? If you didn't, then here it is: The Fallen: - It's over Optimus, I activated the harvester! Optimus: - You underestimate my cannon! The Fallen: - Don't try it!!! *Optimus blows up the harvester* The Fallen: - I HATE YOU!!! Optimus: - You were a worthy prime, but now you're not worthy to wear their prime faceplate! Give me your face! *Optimus kills the Fallen* Optimus: - I've become more powerful than any prime, even you! I've become more powerful than you could have possibly imagine! Megatron: - No... No... That's not true! That's impossible!!! Optimus: - It's over Megatron! The Fallen has the low ground! Starscream: - To fight this prime, strong enough you are not! Megatron: - This isn't over! *Megatron and Starscream leave*

[@cblazerc]

I first encountered the Fallen in Robots in Disguise.

[@candleman7457]

Me too

[@lordbrickmasterproductions3531]

Ok you might hate me for this cause I like the Michael bay fallen cause of his legendary voice and he looks cool

[@betterlatethannever4529]

BayFormers are underrated

[@lordbrickmasterproductions3531]

better late than never ok yea I can’t complain they kinda are

[@betterlatethannever4529]

@@lordbrickmasterproductions3531 I'll take BayMegatron over G1 Megatron any day

[@lordbrickmasterproductions3531]

better late than never ok yea no I like g1 megatron better but

[@betterlatethannever4529]

@@lordbrickmasterproductions3531 most prefer G1, yet I can't get over the bucket on his head.

[@WelshGiraffa]

The fallen in the movies was my introduction to this tragic soul but my favourite incarnation is the Prime Wars trilogy voiced by Mark Hammil

[@frozarburst6350]

Geez. RID make this dude look like a joke. They totally forgot his tragedy. But holy crap. He's pretty awesome for a Prime in others. Though for the Fallen in TF2, I keep calling him Chicken Man.

[@van-garrettjohnson6012]

you idiot. Both version are great and never forget about it.

[@96megatron]

I love the live-action version the most there's a sense of tragedy and personality in his dialogue as if he believes he did nothing wrong and from his point of view, his brothers betrayed him, rather than he breaking their code and betraying them. Hoping an animated film adaption of Tales of the Fallen #3 and #4 about Jetfire and The Fallen.

[@wompastompa3692]

The Fallen: he gets knocked down, but he gets up again.

[@carlosbanegas7561]

I know many fans dont like it but growing up I met the Fallen in TF ROF when I was about 6. The aligned backstory has been my fav. I hope, if u havent already, make a video on Solis Prime as after watching this I think she deserved some recognition besides being killed alot😁

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

I prefer the title 'The Fallen' over 'Megatronus Prime'. Itself simple and tells you everything you need to know about the character. Megatronus is clearly taken from Megatron. Plus the title Prime. When I first heard this name i got confused and thought he was an upgraded version of Megatron

[@brandonspeagle9950]

Well Optimus is now the reincarnation of the 13th prime...watch in some future transformers series or continuity had the fallen be megatron's previous incarnation. Which gets ultra Magnus and elita one up there too. I mean really OP is the only one of his brothers that got reincarnated...it just makes now sense

[@peterchave560]

My first encounter with him was on the packaging of the titanium figure series. It wasnt until his movie debut that I learnt more about him and hes quickly become one of my fave characters in transformers history

[@andrewmontgomery5621]

Rest in peace to the one who voiced The Fallen himself Tony Todd.

[@vxrdrummer]

This has become like a tv show for me. Watching every Saturday morning. I am quite knowledgeable about Transformers, or at least thought I was! This show teaches me something new so so so so often! I love it. The quality and detail is superb. Rodimus Primal is also very good but just lags behind this show.

[@mikokubto9049]

Basic on the decpticon cat spy ravage.

[@DESTRAKON]

I remember back in like 3rd grade being at target just enamored by the design of that titanium fallen but then someone bought and I never saw it again, then rotf comes out a few years later and I was like maybe I'll get one, but I didn't really care any more, then rid came out and I was like "yeah I'll get one" never did, then Potp came out and I got fangry only to find out later on that the little dude was megatronus, so yeah I've had some history with the guy

[@zerochi2119]

*_A thrilling saga_*

[@dapperdanman8486]

Your telling me you had the chance to say "The fallen shall rise again" at the end and didn't? 0/10. In all seriousness this series is amazing and this video is a 10/10

[@BADASSATRON127]

Rip Tony Todd and thank you for the memories

[@RexBlazer1]

Personally, I'd like a combination of both his Dreamwave and Aligned origins, where he started out as being against Unicron like his siblings, but after some perceived slights against him by his fellow Primes, as well as his affections for Solus being entirely one-sided, he joined Unicron as his herald out of spite for his family. That'd be what I'd do with him anyway. Can't say I cared for what IDW did with him, as the whole thing with Shockwave just came off as mean-spirited anti-religious commentary, one which they had no excuse for since magical and supernatural elements DID exist in that world. But that's just my opinion.

[@ycastro2003]

While yes; supernatural elements do exist that doesn't mean other things exists, remember that Primus, Unicron, and Thirteen were just religious myths of the universe.

[@zuttoaragi8349]

You are not alone my friend. I highly dislike a LOT of IDW's run, but chief among them is the watering down of the Primes. I much prefer them as ancient, mythical figures. I really dislike how IDW used Shockwave as a Deus Ex Machina for most of the series, among many other things.

[@honorguard7616]

Gotta agree

[@RexBlazer1]

yolanda castro what I mean is that because supernatural elements existed, it invalidated any and all of their demystification efforts.

[@zuttoaragi8349]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 There is no singular"original version" of the Primes. The only cohesive one we have is IDW. And like I said, I just personally dislike it.

[@SZH4thewin]

IDW fallen is what inspired me to make my own transformers vr chat series and also combine with revenge of the fallen, fallen design, I am making him how he is much of a decepticon but megatronous prime/fallen created the first worker drones (murder drones) as he manipulates James Elliot

[@bahamut1169]

Good job

[@GeorgeBPryor]

Oh man, the OG Fallen looks so much cooler than the live action version.

[@twistedgaming9185]

Which is why he'll be officially released by Flame Toys.

[@leetri]

The Bay version just looks like a Bionicle to me, like a Skrall mixed with a Piraka.

[@darkwoods1954]

You can apply that to every design made for bayformers.

[@nsgarci8047]

Tbh, the designs are cool, but if you just hate them because they are not g1, that's ok, SIMP

[@dapperdanman8486]

@@nsgarci8047 I genuinely like Bays designs for most of the characters. Overall, prefer the more clean and less detailed g1 designs but his we're really cool

[@dennishofmann9447]

Don't stop those videos man! I love all of them! I am young and unfortunatley never got the chance to watch Transformers on TV except for the new ones now. But you give me a lot of background knowledge and I am thankfull for that!

[@diegos7337]

Love this video! My favorite Origins and Design is the Dreamwave´s one, the Original ones. That is much more of an Epic battle, which involved that Chaos Bringer, that explian why he is so powerful. He knows entropy science and Magic taught by Primus and Unicron. That is the BEST fallen by far... then they made him clihcé by giving him the name "Megatrounus"... connecting him to Megatron... same old villan, and taking away the Mystery out of his story... Then they made another cliché story of betrayal and love... The Fallen definetly has FALLEN a lot since his origins...

[@stephencastro4723]

I believe that the earliest roots for the Fallen as far as in-universe explanation goes is on the Beast Wars. There was mentioned a great destroyer in the Transformers' religious text The Covenant of Primus named Megatron where Nash T/BW Megatron got his name and possibly even Megatron.

[@deidragregerson4610]

I met The Fallen in the Bayverse films, but I loved this video nonetheless! I'd love to see a basics episode on Arcee! Or Dreadwing and Skyquake.

[@suanfitrioneljack27]

I'm a simple man. I see a Chris Mcfeely video about The Fallen, I click in to enjoy. Great video my man!

[@jefffranklin4894]

5:28 that is literally the outline of Bruticus from the Transformers Fall of Cybertron game

[@everettparker1313]

This was an Incredible Masterpiece Video for Megatronus Prime/The Fallen My Third Favorite Antagonist’s in The Transformers Franchise. My Favorite Version’s of Megatronus Prime/The Fallen 1: Transformers One 2: Transformers Prime Wars Trilogy (Mark Hamill) 3: Transformers Film Series (Tony Todd and James Arnold Taylor) 4: Transformers The Align Continuity (Gil Gerard)

[@tonyangelo]

I like the concept of The Fallen as both an original Prime and the first Decepticon

[@sivanlevi3867]

In the Power of the Primes toyline, Megatronus' toy was one of the Primemasters, who could connect to the other toys in Spark Mode, transform into a claw weapon other figures could hold and hide inside a shell that mimicked the G1 Decepticon Pretender, Bomb-Burst. Ironically, it was a retool and recolor of Liege Maximo's toy released in the same line.

[@didjargo]

06:48 that is straight up robo Loki. He's got the horns and everything.

[@kadiejb]

Loved this episode and I’m really hyped for the 100th! Congrats on getting this far 😀

[@Ato-3000J]

The primes: *exist* Shockwave: bro I’m bored, Imma ruin your lives

[@Backtothezack]

Killer vid as always, can’t wait to see what you have planned for next week.

[@Briximusprimedia]

This is a GREAT basics! Can’t wait to see the next episode! The fallen shall rise again!!!!

[@toystoryfan55]

ROTF was my intro to the lore of the Primes, which made me think there were originally only SEVEN Primes and the number was increased for the Aligned Continuity

[@omegamaximus1727]

I hope the Fallen gets a new toy in the Transformers Legacy toy line.

[@jassalbros9572]

Man we wanted the basics of Fallen Yesterday and here we are +1 sub

[@ProfDragonite]

I've "Fallen" for Chris' silky voice. Thank you, I'll see myself out. Looking forward to Episode 100!

[@cobaltprime9467]

For your 100th episode you should do something special, either an extra long episode about Optimus, Megatron, or another big character worth that kind of time, or about you and how you came to be a fan and do this series.

[@ycastro2003]

Fun fact: The Fallen exists as "The Evil One" in the Go-Bots universe.

[@optimoosejones9493]

Leave it to gobots for bad names lol

[@fabianrocha9924]

While Vector Prime is Vec-Tor (As for the others I dont know...)

[@richieosborn2639]

yolanda castro Cy-Kill went looking for him, but that was the last time anybody had seen him. The reason was soon clear: The so-called Evil One had drained his life force to weaken his prison.

[@syweb2]

@@optimoosejones9493 I'm beginning to think they do that intentionally.

[@christianbrown2471]

Great video on this character. This series of videos continues to get better and better.

[@HORRIOR1]

Ah yes, Prime Wars Megatronus. The silliest hat on this side of the multiverse.

[@rayo146-x8x]

Nute Gunray would disagree.