Transparent Red Oxide PR101 Comparison - and Quin Burnt Orange PO48

[@elvenham1]

And this is why knowing and understanding the differences in pigments is so important! Many companies will call a color something other than what the traditional pigment is. PBr7 is the "true" burnt sienna, though it also covers a wide gamut of other earth tones from raw sienna to raw and burnt umber. PR101 is another prolific pigment that can range from warm, transparent orangish-browns to deep, opaque purplish-reds. Both can vary greatly in their level of granulation, depending on how they are processed. And, though it has a similar hue, comparing PO48 to the other two in behavior is like comparing apples to oranges. It is a synthetic quinacridone (which is why it is so vibrant), and the other two are usually naturally sourced earth pigments. The great thing is that some brands, such as Daniel Smith and Roman Szmal, have a huge variety of earth pigments, many using PBr7 and PR101, so there are subtle variations for every taste.

[@PaintinHiding]

lovely explanation! i couldn’t have said it better myself~ thank you so much! honestly i like all the colours because i think each have their goods and bads depending on whatever palette is put together. and then as you said, it all boils doen to preference. thank you so much for commenting! ❤️🥰

[@awatercolourist]

This is a very good comment; thanks!

[@awatercolourist]

@@alisonb3850 That is so interesting! Thanks so much.

[@potatopirate5557]

Your videos are an enormous help for color fanatics on a tight budget and your personality is precious! Appreciate the effort! 😊

[@awatercolourist]

The W&N Burnt Sienna and the Daniel Smith PO48 are beautiful; thanks again so much for doing this video! I really appreciate it :-) I think I like PO48 over both PR101 and PBr7. It just glows more, I think I will try to get it and use it in place of burnt Sienna. From other videos, I know that it will not neutralise Ultramarine, which is a pity; I like the greys made from Burnt Sienna and Ultramarine. By the way, for those of you who are not aware, PR101 and PBr7 have the same chemical composition. PBr7 is a natural iron oxide pigment and PR101 is a synthetic iron oxide pigment.

[@PaintinHiding]

i'm glad it was helpful! :D for some people, i definitely think PO48 would be a turning point because it's just that glow. it reminds me of myself using warm yellows like PY83 or PY110 and thinking they feel so muddy, finally discovering PY150 and it glows, exactly that feeling. 😁 oh hey, i wasn't aware they have the same chemical composition. that's good to know, thanks for the info! 😄🥰

[@awatercolourist]

@@PaintinHiding Thanks again! I really liked the video!

[@magentaindigoart]

These are all so nice but that po48 looks extra lovely and vibrant! I am used to transparent pr101, have been using cotman and w&n pro, schmincke transparent sienna and currently using Rembrandt transparent red oxide and po48 to see what i prefer. So far i see no major differences so I just use them all xD Thanks for the video!

[@PaintinHiding]

right!!! this is absolutely useful info~ i remember the first time i swatched rembrandt trans red oxide thinking "i understand why some manufacturers use PR101 and PY150 to get quin gold hue." and hearing you say that you can't see major differences solidifies my thoughts on that these are all really similar, just down to preference. thanks for such good insight! 😆🥰

[@BolaGuys]

Thanks for sharing your practice. It is educational, motivating and great to watch.

[@PaintinHiding]

aww thank you for your kind words! i shall continue to do my best 🥰

[@Mistiquex]

PR 101 and PBr7 are both red transparent oxide pigments that are sometimes sold as so and sometimes as Burnt sienna. The only difficulty is that the PBr7 is natural source and the PR101 is synthetic and so more orangy/ glowy. I see many artists in oils and acrylic stepping over to use PR 101 as an an burn sienna to create easily skincolors.

[@stas61690]

I enjoy listening to you think it through. Keep up the good work!

[@PaintinHiding]

thank you so much! 🥰 i shall try my best to do so 😁❤️

[@Kj1947jfr]

I use both Daniel Smith and Turner transparent red oxide. I find the Daniel Smith to be overwhelming when adding to another color. I prefer the Turner in mixes and Daniel Smith by itself. They are both very useful.

[@PaintinHiding]

ahh yesss, i can see how it would be overwhelming. definitely would be best suited in a high-tinting palette. i'll need to play with both of them some more to fully understand the differences in mixes. thanks so much for watching and commenting! 😆🥰

[@JohnKanzler]

The DS TRO must be striking in mixes with blues though. plus, granulating.

[@JayNathanWatercolor]

Nice comparison. I'm starting to like the PR101s more and more each time I use them. That old Van Gogh box is awesome ☺️

[@PaintinHiding]

i find that i do gravitate towards the PO48 when i want a darker quin gold hue 🤣 hehe, old VanGogh box, definitely love all the mixing space :D

[@monsoon_magic2874]

I'd like to know if PBr7 and PR101 behave differently in mixtures, particularly in that famous mixture of Burnt sienna with Ultramarine.

[@PaintinHiding]

there's a wide range of hues for both PBr7 and PR101. however, if we're talking only burnt sienna hues, the mixes would be similar if not identical. and depending on the brand and which colour it is, it could either be granulating or non-granulating. i can do a vid but i think it would be more informative if you narrowed down which ones in particular you'd like to see compared to each other because as you can see in this vid, the DS and Turner versions of PR101 are already different. and in my burnt sienna comparison vid a while ago, there are also variations there. i'm happy to do a vid, just narrow it down for me 😄🥰

[@awatercolourist]

Hi Vee! Thanks for this video🙏. You are awesome and kind! That Van Gogh box is unique!

[@PaintinHiding]

hhi hi~~!! you're very welcome. yeah, the VG box was from a loooong time ago. over 10 years like my raphael brush lol. 😅

[@awatercolourist]

@@PaintinHiding Wow! It’s in a very good shape! It’s always interesting to see old palettes :-)

[@PaintinHiding]

@@awatercolourist i didn't use it much and if i did, i did clean it thoroughly back then. :)

[@awatercolourist]

@@PaintinHiding sounds like how I treat my sable brush 😂

[@PaintinHiding]

@@awatercolourist 🤣🤣👍🏻

[@Mistiquex]

I find it interesting that you called the first one looking the most like a burnt sienna, that one looks identical to a Burnt Umber. A burnt sienna has a bit of a orangy undertone and the first one doesn't have that at that in the video.

[@irritatedlibrarian9057]

Daniel Smith PO48 tends to be a bit gummier? Like it doesn't give me nice washes? Maybe I just got a bad tube. And you are right, it is very thirsty. I just got Da Vinci's PO48 so I'm interested to see how it compares since Da Vinci rewets so beautifully and easily. And the transparent red oxide from Daniel Smith makes gorgeous jewel tones.

[@PaintinHiding]

ohh maybe getting a bad tube is the reason. sometimes i wish manufacturers would tell us how we would know if a tube is bad or not, lol. yess i love tthe DS trans red oxide too! 😆🥰

[@drayve8590]

M. Graham TRO is great too! Like QBO!

[@MnJiman]

I was just researching this right now. W&N calls their pr101 'Burnt Sienna' instead of 'transparent red oxide'.

[@awatercolourist]

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[@Renilou2]

All PR101, (Synthetic Iron Oxide) come from the same source. The company brands just often pin different names on them. Some of the names do not actually represent the pigment. Winser & Newton no longer have a Burnt Sienna hue made with true Natural Iron Oxide PRr7. The Rembrandt looks to me looks like a true Burnt Sienna because the real deal is supposed to be a reddish brown, a rust/burnt color. Not a mid warm brown like the Van Gogh.

[@PaintinHiding]

i didn't realise all PR101s come from the same source. i thought i heard about pigments coming from different manufacturers so that's pretty cool to know with PR101, it comes from the same place. yeah, the Rembrandt one is quite nice. took me a while to learn that i should prewet the pan prior to using. ;P

[@Renilou2]

@@PaintinHiding Yes. The source I'm talking about for PR 101 is the lab places they create to the duplicate the real PBr7 colors that is organically deep in the earths soil. I used to make clay pots out of that iron oxide clay soil and dry in the sun as a child. I would dig out the color from the side of a hill, green clay & Yellow clay that looked like Yellow Ochre. The Red & orange clay too with a few warmer browns. But I always loved the red, yellow and greens clays. The red color of a true Burnt Sienna is very much a rusty nail color. This red rust is the true Natural red iron oxide. They can also heat it to make it redder. The PR101 is just a synthetic version.

[@katriannanonduality]

hmm i can’t decide! would you say the ds quin burnt orange may be a good substitute for the wn burnt sienna? i can’t tell outright from my phone screen 😢😂

[@PaintinHiding]

yes, they’re both similar transparent orange browns

[@katriannanonduality]

@@PaintinHidingdo you happen to have the m graham quin rust?

[@PaintinHiding]

@@katriannanonduality i dont have any mgraham sorry

[@NinjaAbrar2013]

👌👍

[@PaintinHiding]

thank you!

[@cigimon4]

"if you want a burnt sienna without the earthyness" *me:* so you mean _the reason_ people use burnt sienna? *also me:* takes notes because thats what i'm looking for 👀

[@PaintinHiding]

haha, that made me laugh 🤣

[@cigimon4]

@@PaintinHiding now that i have your attention, how do we make requests? i'd really like to see a comparison between teals made of pb28 and pb50

[@paint_me_blue-art_watercolors]

Apperantly and PO 48 will be discontinued :(

[@PaintinHiding]

yep, i think it is already discontinued but paint makes still have a good load of it so we shouldn't see it off the market for a good while.