Transtrenders: A Response to ContraPoints

[@John_the_Paul]

“We should abolish gender roles! But also if your kids act outside of their sex’s gender roles, they must actually be the other sex.

[@thomasrussell4674]

Exactly, the regressive contradiction at the heart of this thing.

[@KahvinMinisaurus]

Contras content as I understand it, is often a dialogue of different points of view on a subject. The idea might not always be to come to a certain conclusion and instead, encourage people to think for themselves. A position of "...Kids act outside of their sex's gender roles, they must actually be the other sex" doesn't make sense considering gender refers to the biological markers whereas gender is used as a social description. In current environment no-one forcing anyone to identify outside of their gender, people do that themselves and are suggested to talk to a therapist before taking any concrete steps in transitioning. I'm all for abolishing gender roles and gender/sex based classification outside of areas where it might actually matter such as medical problems. Some or even most trans identifying people might feel completely comfortable being classified through sex based classification if they were to be given access to the health care they need which might include hormone treatment and surgeries and can live as themselves without facing discrimination. My gut feeling says that most would likely go through less medical procedures as gender affirming care. The problem is that we don't live in such society, society is still for the most part heavily gendered and breaking gender norms is still heavily stigmatized in most places. Generally speaking, most trans people want to simply exist as themselves and live their lives. I find the concept of forcing trans identifying people to exists as sort unwilling soldiers in a war to abolish gender roles to be outright cruel.

[@p3xo]

if that’s what u got from contra’s video then you need to rewatch it 😭

[@annaxyz5132]

​@@KahvinMinisaurus A lot of people already take exception to the more recent redefinition of gender - one that unfortunately already made its way into our culture. The concept of gender was co-opted and reframed in order to shoehorn trans-identifying people into classifications and words they wished encompassed them, but which by the classification's original intent, already excluded them. This redefinition was not achieved through process of debate, rigorous analysis or common consensus. It was co-opted exactly to subvert this process, whilst still capitalizing on the familiarity and the weight of the original meaning. It was to treat this new classification as though it had always applied to trans-identifying people and that this has already been widely accepted and been long in use. They hoped that the dilution and distortion in meaning will not be noticed. A lot of us don't appreciate this co-opting and reject the idea that trans-identifying biological males fall under the umbrella of women and trans-identifying biological females fall under the category of men. There's this contrivance that in making this distinction between sex and gender, that there is such a time and place to use gender identity - that is blatantly false. It is also used as a pretence that sex will always be respected by trans people whenever situation calls for it, which is actually any time the distinction between women and men is ever important. There is never such a scenario where gender identity holds any relevance or practical implications - you just wish it to so. You'll only use this separation in definitions to conflate the terms whenever you want to gaslight people into allowing you to hijack words and spaces you already do not belong in or have any right to access. We're not obligated to protect you from your dissonance with reality. To emotionally blackmail and gaslight us into taking this on as a moral obligation is in and of itself unethical and shameful. Personally, I'd support the right for you to appear however you want, destroy yourself even, as long as it's on your own dime and your own risk. Just as long as you understand what you are, and accept that any procedure or self-identification entitles you to nothing. If you lie about your sex or slyly conflate it with gender, just know that that is fraud and breach of other people's boundaries by depriving them of informed consent. Fortunately, clocking you is generally not an issue and happens instinctively. Many people will be willing to indulge you out of pity or coercion. It is not because of your gender is something legitimate - they're scared of you and your ability to enact anti-social behaviour with no repercussions. Your gender identity matters only to you and you can't force anyone else to care or honour it. I wish every country could be polled on this issue. ContraPoints would have the answers to these seemingly open-ended questions, or at least we'd know what the general consensus is among the general population. We could really put this to bed, but you're too cowardly to start being honest and sensible.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@annaxyz5132 I hated using the word sex because I thought it was icky and preferred gender as a kid. Now I have to modify my language because I meant expression?

[@hian]

The existence of Goth and Emo kids in the 90s and 00s thoroughly debunk the idea that people aren't willing to paint giant, "bully me" targets on their backs. People do it all the time out of a desire to stand out and rebel against social norms.

[@Sketchy_2]

This makes me feel lucky to have grown up in the 2000's lol

[@gfys756]

The difference is that today, it's the norm to dress and act that way.

[@Acehigh-Jenkins]

I think a lot of those people had already been bullied trying to be “normal” and thought “well that didn’t work so f it!” Then eventually they got out school, made more friends, got jobs, felt less miserable and isolated, got therapy, and generally grew up. Thing is that’s fine for being a goth or emo. Dyed hair grows out, tattoos can be covered/ lazered, piercings can be taken out. But the things these kids are doing, a lot of it you can’t come back from! It’s sad! they need help and community not risky drugs and dangerous surgeries!

[@jessi4894]

​@Acehigh-Jenkins Spot on. I was goth in the 2000s, and it was more about the music and aesthetics and a rebellion against the prevalent prep/jock culture. But the hair dye, and piercings can come out, and tattoos can be covered. I have a tiny piercing scars on my bottom lip, eyebrow and from a Monroe piercing. I still have breasts, a female voice, no abnormal hair growth and no osteoporosis, menopause or genital mutilation.

[@Josue-mv2fo]

Hey. The music was good and it even transcended the language barrier

[@gamzecarsamba6273]

How can transpeople go through a phase that they were confused? I thought everyone knew themselves, including babies. That's why it was okay to trans kids?

[@popcorn3407]

Lolol exactly

[@DaPython607]

Trans people do not want kids to transition, it’s mostly the far left that wants medical transition where 99% want social only for anyone under 16, at 16 in severe cases only and 18 for normal people

[@Toastie19]

I love how the only issue Contra had with the biological argument is that it “excludes trans people”

[@joyeetaghosh2209]

I mean it dosent exclude them every transwomen has a sex they are biological male and every trans man is a biologically female

[@HellCatt0770]

Aka “men” 😂 How masculine is the inability to accept ‘no’?!

[@stupidsexyflanders2023]

Reminds me of that cartoon, ‘if P is true, then I will be sad. I do not want to be sad. Therefore, P is not true’.

[@Bokto1]

22:30 "fellas is it gay if my wife is lowkey masculine"

[@radioactivebeanz1127]

he does not want to know the answer to this

[@AllanTidgwell]

True answer: depends on the ways in which she is masculine Meme answer: Yes. It's gay to be married to someone who wants to sleep with a man

[@Tengu125]

Depend on how masculine. Short hair, lifts weights, swears like a sailor, and drives a loud motorcycle? No. Did "she" ever have a penis, and does every cell in "her" body still have XY chromosomes? Yes, "she" is a cross dressing twink, and you're gay. No judgement, just facts.

[@liambaker2057]

Its no ​@@radioactivebeanz1127

[@sweetestgirlonline]

just so you know, i joined your patreon this month, and as soon as i did you get a green screen? this was my doing. everyone thank me. my $1 provided this production upgrade.

[@curetwink]

Thank you for ur contribution 🎉

[@PeterDivine]

Hail the green deliverer!

[@megsley]

i stopped liking contrapoints after two things - that weird video where natalie talked about having this great boyfriend, then blowing up that relationship to creep on a close female friend. the second was a twitter post where natalie, in all caps, basically said detransitioners shouldnt talk publicly about their experiences because it might take trans "healthcare" away from trans people.

[@americankid7782]

The detransiotoner comment is especially insensitive (yes I hear myself) because of the massive rise in people detransitioning while hitting the ages of 17-20 and I’ve seen quite a few suing people that allowed them to transition and sterilize themselves. And on top of it, there are studies that show that people that identify as transgender between the ages of 10-15 have a detransition rate of 75%-90% where as people there as people that are transgender at the ages of 16-20 have about a 90%-95% rate of staying as their identified gender for the rest of their life or for at least a very long time after reaching adulthood.

[@DictatorDoPa]

Wow. That sucks.

[@TheOmnitom]

Pure evil that lmao, no remorse or compassion for anyone really

[@ryukisgod2834]

The friend contra fell in love with is a transwomen

[@searchingstuff]

Taking hormones like that messes with your brain and body chemistry. Its not an intelligent thing to ever do. To be in a place to take hormones to begin with, you can't be in a rational space. Its an emotional issue, not a rational one.

[@PD-ws4td]

The “why would they identify as trans if if they get bullied” argument is nonsense. You can say the same thing with people who are goth or emo, you can also say the same thing about nerds and geeks.

[@pinxelated2799]

You could even say the same about otherkin, atheists and even.. 'terfs'. Yes, indeed, some people genuinely believe in things that would get them ostracised! What a shock!

[@Josue-mv2fo]

Also, HipHop, Jazz, and Cumbia circles have been gotten raided by police by the fact that it has been close to illicit activities like the drug/gun trade and prostitution, doesn't stop it for being popular and having public spectacles in major cities throughout The Americas

[@initial_kd]

The difference is people are things through actions, usually unless they're a poser (trender). What i mean is you're goth if you follow that culture and there's a difference between action/participation and a self belief/perception. Someone who is same sex attracted will be homosexual whether they identify as queer or something else other than LGB. Inversely, being perceived as something doesn't actually make you that thing. Another point is that there are people who self id as things out of cognitive bias and/or self gain. The amount of people self identifying as 'queer' or 'neurodivergent' kinda shows what I'm trying to say. Although queer and neuro divergence are social terms with no fixed definitions.

[@cat1554]

Not entirely a nonsense argument. If someone identifies as trans, schools will probably start to actually give a shit and take some form of action when that someone is bullied. Otherwise, because it's school, they won't do anything to stop the bullying, and they'll just let it happen (until you try to defend yourself, that is, then you've crossed the final straw line, mister!)

[@sirtra]

Masochism is a fairly common trait for the "community"

[@analogbunny]

There's a model in linguistics you should look into. In the answer to the question "If some accents carry prestige and others mark you as working class, why wouldn't everyone learn to imitate the dominant/'posh' accents?". The answer; _covert prestige_ . In the broader social context, working class dockhands from Cork have accents that instantly mark them a certain way. _However_ in their own context in Cork, have an accent - and even having a "deeper" or "more broad" or "broguish" accent carries prestige _in their own social circles_ . A Cork dockhand will be mistreated in an Oxford debate club, but they're _never in an Oxford debate club_ . One of the issues with oppression theory is that it fails to account for the daily context of actual individuals and who they interact with on their daily basis. Trans people are abused in public, but in one's own social circles they have prestige. This accounts for why Trans is predominantly white, middle class, and Anglosphere.

[@seafoam6119]

A very good observation. You don’t see trans in the Appalachia’s vs Sam Francisco. Your surroundings truly do affect who you are. A dock worker may never discover if they preferred fine wine over scotch the same way a nobleman may never discover their love for wood carving in their Oxford universities.

[@analogbunny]

@seafoam6119 More to the point; a dock worker may or may not learn to appreciate caviar, but regardless of what the wider world sees as being prestigious or luxurious, _in his own context_ the people who he interacts with every day put more emphasis on hot wings and hoagies, so regardless of what "everyone" things, that dock workers' direct social connections in his own immediate social network has their own version of prestige. Maybe he does love champagne, but in his environment it lacks the prestige you'd see elsewhere. The other half of _Covert Prestige_ is what happens when that person finds themselves in a different environment; when the working class dockhand with the "broad" accent finds themselves talking to a banker in the big city, they'll either adapt and fake the posh accent, or they'll lean into their own accent and distance themselves from their audience. To compare to gender ideology; this is where the deliberate uglification comes in. If you don't conform to broader expectations, you find the places that your own immediate social network differs and you lean into it. Although you'll lose all prestige and privilege when out of your own space, the fact that you were willing to do so increases prestige within your own community as you prove yourself an exemplar of the subculture.

[@nathat4250]

​@@analogbunnyomg. Very interesting. Please write more.

[@analogbunny]

@nathat4250 Honestly that's the meat and potatoes of it. William Labov is the father of modern Sociolinguistics and this is one of his major contributions. Plenty more to read out there. But really it makes sense that a linguist would come with a theory about how people adapt to their surroundings.

[@ee-ue8xm]

"this accounts for why trans is predominantly white, middle class, and anglosphere." 😂😂😂 it seems so to me, so it must be!

[@therealfriday13th]

"Gender roles are good, actually." - ContraPoints

[@screamingopossum7809]

Without gender stereotypes, transgenderism doesn't exist.

[@Souplord1]

Contrapoints really just raised a question just to not answer it

[@KC_Streams]

Well there was an answer... the answer was that the biological sex defintion is the only definition that makes sense

[@davidmb1595]

@@Souplord1 that’s usually how his videos go.

[@HellCatt0770]

Thanks. Your content is great to share with others to help them think critically about what they’ve been told but never really thought about.

[@Amanda-xx7sj]

Nice production upgrade. Who knew all it took was a green sheet.

[@jodie-b4g]

Lol. That's funny 😅 😊

[@Eric_Hunt194]

though the distortion above his right shoulder makes it look like he has a big flowing ponytail 😂

[@johnnotrealname8168]

I rather liked the bookshelf.

[@Chanticleer99]

The green screen is bad to the point of being enjoyable. B/c it looks so silly 😂

[@davidmb1595]

To your point about Contrapoints seemingly having some sort of disgust for people who are gender non conforming, I'm a gender non conforming man and I had noticed that too, much before you started your channel. He mentions something akin to that in many of his videos. And to me, hearing him say those things was very disappointing, it made me feel that I'd look weird as a gender non conforming man who wasNOT trying to look like a woman, and it made me think that I either had to look "like a man" or "like a woman" or else I'd look weird. I'd thought that he of all people would be the one most accepting of people who "don't pass." Back then I was very much on the side of trans ideology, it just seemed to make sense and to be harmless and on top of that it seemed as if it could help make society more accepting of gender non conformity, so those comments by Contrapoints seemed very out of place for me back then. Over the years, when i discovered what being gender critical was actually about, I realized that actually trans ideology does a disservice and harms gender non conforming people the most by proposing this idea that you have to act a certain way and look a certain way to be the gender you prefer, in reality it always made sense for Contrapoints to be like that, as he is a trans ideologue.

[@julianstone1192]

Yep it’s honestly the most conservative ideology ever, oh you like pink and not being rough and tumble, your not a real man you have to be a girl!

[@ToyKnives]

As someone who's been a Contrapoints fan for years, I don't really understand his work as being anti-GNC. He's said several times that he has felt emotional disgust towards GNC men, but it's always in the context that such disgust is a wrongheaded emotional response, not logical or moral, and that it should be overcome. He's talking about irrational internalized bigotry and then arguing it shouldn't be given moral weight. When he talked about clocking a trans women and then deciding to temporarily abandon gender transition, he wasn't blaming the trans woman for not fitting into gender roles better, but rather he's blaming himself for judging someone and then reflecting that judgement towards himself.

[@davidmb1595]

@ yeah, I agree I don’t think contra’s feelings on androgyny come from hatred, but more of some irrational disgusts he’s happy to acknowledge and try to overcome. With that said, this video along with his other video with Tiffany Tumbles (I don’t remember the video’s title) seem to conclude with the message that the best way to solve this issue is by transitioning so well that you pass, which I find pretty harmful as most people won’t ever be able to really pass.

[@h0neym00nl0ve0]

​@@ToyKnives ig he doesn't like gnc men because he couldn't accept himself as a gnc man

[@boiledelephant]

@@davidmb1595 That's the thing that troubles me. If the internal logic was all wrong and the theory wasn't scientific but the treatments resulted in a good quality of life and met their goals, I'd accept it. I'm just really worried that most trans people really believe they'll pass and most of them eventually won't pass at all, and that's gonna have worse long-term outcomes for them than not transitioning in the first place.

[@The_Mongoose]

Oh look it's KafkaPoints. "I am not a fascist is exactly what a fascist would say" was their argument but then Contra would not answer me when I asked "Are you a fascist?" 😆

[@LusciousTwinkle]

I remember Nick before he was Natalie. i miss that guy. He was funny and intelligent and he really cared about logic and reason.....He had issues but I dont think he is trans. Hes AGP. Its a sexual thing for him. This thing about being a girl in a boys body is such BS!!! How do they back this up??? Theres ZERO evidence for it!!!

[@moapchan1905]

There is no such thing as AGP, Blanchards theory is circular and lacks refutability on top of the fact that it doesnt address FTM transgender identity at all

[@kellymarieapplebee]

As a biologist I have been told "some women have a penis and I might just want to jot that down".....

[@LusciousTwinkle]

@@kellymarieapplebee Its just terrifying and sinister.

[@SeaBreeze-w9998]

@@moapchan1905Why is its not including female transsexualism even a problem? Anyway, the reality of AGP is proven by trans reddit.

[@SeaBreeze-w9998]

What would it mean for him to be actually trans?

[@jibbobdion5072]

Does my younger brother count as a "spicy straight"? He's married to a transgender furry(biologically female), he's only attracted to woman, but he calls his sexuality "aceflux"

[@pinxelated2799]

I'd say yes. Straight couples can be weird, too. ☺️

[@KC_Streams]

Yeah that sounds pretty spicy straight to me!

[@KT-pv3kl]

your brother violated rule 1 of being a man. "never stick your D in crazy"

[@initial_kd]

Wtf is aceflux? Is your brother also Autistic? I hate myself for busting out the "as a" but my word as someone who's had attractions to both males and females (bi whatever) but absolutely no connection to queer or the culture, i find it rather insulting. I'm also diagnosed with Aspergers syndrome (would be ASD if i was diagnosed now) and even in my limited world experience i know many gender identity types are just weirdos with Autism (or self diagnosed creeps with imo undiagnosed personality disorders) with even less self awareness than me.

[@Touriquette]

What in the fuck? I guess that technically fits, but I definitely had to read it twice to follow that line of logic.

[@seeyouinthecircle]

The absolute cheek of this bloke 0:11

[@TuesdaySFD]

King Criticake

[@DaPython607]

And lgbt are hyper sexual?

[@wolfofthewest8019]

7:27 As an "actual Catholic" who does accept the Catechism and does think the Pope is inerrant, I really appreciated this little spiel. However, a Catholic would not confirm "every catechism of the Catholic Church." I think the term you meant to use is _dogma._ A dogma is an divinely revealed teaching of the Catholic Church, a statement that Catholics are expected to accept as true because it comes directly from God. For example, the *_Immaculate Conception of Mary_* - the belief that Mary was born without original sin - is Catholic dogma. To be properly Catholic, you must accept that claim as true. To deny that claim, for example to suggest that Christ had original sin, is to commit _heresy._ The Catechism is a tool used by the Church for instructing the laity on dogma. It contains the dogmas, but it is not the dogmas themselves. The Catechism also contains a lot of teachings that Catholics are allowed to agree or disagree with, such as whether Genesis is literal or not.

[@KC_Streams]

I suspected I was probably using the wrong term, so thanks for the correction

[@Leavemealonenowplz]

@@KC_StreamsI also want to point out that the pope is infallible, not inerrant. There’s a slight nuance between the two. And his infallibility only extends to matters of faith and morals when he’s making an ex cathedra statement in consortium with his bishops. Fun Fact: it’s only been invoked twice in the past 1000 years, both in the past 150 years.

[@wolfofthewest8019]

@@Leavemealonenowplz Papal infallibility has only been invoked by name twice since the doctrine was formalized by the Church, but since the Pope has always been infallible there are an unknown number of infallible statements made before the doctrine was formalized.

[@brittoncain5090]

Not to be that guy, but as a fellow Catholic, the Immaculate Conception refers to the conception of Mary as being free from Original Sin, not Jesus' conception.

[@KatieLHall-fy1hw]

Peace be with you

[@Liquid_Mike]

Its like telling a paleontologist "oh you're into dinosaurs so much because you secretly want to have sex with them" Its a weak, middle school argument

[@MichaelHeinen-qk6gg]

How can you have sex with dinosaurs when they are not with us today and were another species to begin with 🤡 . I think anyone who is dumb enough to pursue a relationship with other wild species that can kill them really needs to think things through on many mental levels 🤔.

[@AttacMage]

idk man, fossil fighters did something to me as a wee lad. duna was a hottie gonna go dig up some sexy dilo bones rq.

[@HellCatt0770]

Why is it so hard for some to accept you men exist that don’t fit a masculine stereotype? What’s wrong with that to them?

[@KC_Streams]

A lot of people have very limited views about the roles of men and women, unfortunately

[@starstorm1267]

This is something I noticed very early on as a kid. Growing up as a girl, I was allowed to either be feminine or masculine. But boys were only allowed to be masculine. They could never be feminine without being bullied and ridiculed by their peers. I think it mostly comes down to society’s overall misogyny. Roles and traits that are considered more “masculine” are seen as the standard, while roles and traits that are considered more “feminine” are not. Therefore society is more accepting of women performing the “standard” roles, but men performing the one that isn’t the “standard” is seen as the worst thing they could ever do.

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@starstorm1267 It's not misogyny though. Men don't inherently hate women or the traits that indicate femininity, but femininity is associated with weakness because women are biologically weaker than men and men do not want to perceived as weak. I would not be surprised if it was a thing coming from early humans.

[@zera2314]

I'm going to send this video to my 16 year old niece who thinks she's a boy as of the last 2 years because of hanging out with social outcasts and being surrounded by school staff who started calling her by a boy's name.

[@billmartins5545]

I hope you can reach her. She'll grow out of it if she's allowed to and isn't medicalised.

[@Skuffy777]

Check out Peak Trans channel and video also.

[@AldinRamic]

And how did your child respond?

[@nineteenfortyeight]

An inability to say "Yass queen, slay" is a badge of honour

[@Caspicum]

The transition from your natural-sounding voice to the pretend, high-pitched voice of this other bloke in clown makeup is such a harsh juxtaposition. How is he not embarrassed to talk like that? It went from comfy to creepy way too fast.

[@boiledelephant]

That's a very complex subject, more complex than you're giving it. People develop a personal idiolect over the years, influenced by their peers, their culture and their self-perception. In a sense everyone is constructing a manner of speech that isn't just automatic and natural - you can see it happen when ordinary people go from one class of company, or one social setting, to another and their dialect, tone, pitch etc. change slightly. People even unconsciously adopt accents and dialects depending on who they're talking to. I don't pretend to understand it, and what trans people do with their vocal shift is certainly odd, but it isn't as crass or as simple as "a bloke doing a high pitched voice". If that was the process Natalie was enacting, it'd be totally exhausting. What we actually observe is they're happy talking like that all day, every day, without thinking about it - I don't understand how, but it is so.

[@pinxelated2799]

Damn, calling out the hypno fetishism 💀

[@AttacMage]

I'm in a discord that's adjacent to that space and it's just such a shock that the Contrapoints make up around 15-20% of the server (as of three years ago). Also shocking that a majority of the users are at least a good bit a"r"tistic. (mentioning this due to co-morbidities more than anything else).

[@pinxelated2799]

Interesting overlap there...

[@kiowah231]

Stop noticing things…

[@neowild]

ngl... contra comes off as a theatre kid. One who got a little too personal in their acting

[@Tremuoso]

The man known as contrapoints is a very disturbed individual

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

What a weird sentence structure. You might need help

[@enclaveherewhyisntyourvide3089]

@@Mavuika_Gyaru Anime fan... references anime tropes... you're probably a male coomer and possibly an AGP. Redditor too, but there's longer odds on that.

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

@enclaveherewhyisntyourvide3089 you need to get a job. Grow up and quit being a burden on your poor mother

[@uberwarlocker]

@@enclaveherewhyisntyourvide3089 i mean shit, he's minding his business not bothering children, shoving his fetish down everyones throats.

[@blakehorwill8454]

I love the shelves! please don't go with the green screen!

[@abcdeshole]

The podcast green screen is so overplayed.

[@Shasha-jo5iv]

i think it was just a little nod to Contra's overuse of them

[@Amy-wy1gd]

Me too!

[@Scratchy8644]

I think you should also start wearing fancy disguises in each of your video to make your arguments look more valid, like...idk.....contra and PT. We all know that look is proportional to the validity of an argument. I asked one of my friends why she liked to watch contra so much and the answer was : I love the esthetics and costumes and "she" sound smart.

[@Mr_Boifriend]

the only explanation of transgenderism / nonbinary that I’ve ever been able to make sense of is that people have a soul that is separate from the material world we exist in; & sometimes this soul doesn’t “fit” the physical vessel. I’m actually quite open to accepting that possibility. The issue is that it is *not* a scientific claim, but more of a religious one. Thank you

[@searchingstuff]

The real science is that most get romantic and sexual feelings from viewing themselves as the opposite sex (in males, still ongoing research with females) So imagine what you feel like when you get near an appealing attractive person. Its not a fetish, just normal attraction. Now imagine you get that way when viewing yourself as the opposite sex. Now imagine that the attractive person will never reject you, knows who you are, and loves you. Now you see the addiction, the obsession, and the crushed heart when they realize its all an illusion, and they aren't actually the other sex.

[@blade8741]

Which is weird because every single "non-binary" person I met are atheists or hate religions, or say only negative things about religion.

[@sparagmos4748]

​@@blade8741It's almost like they're irrational and inconsistent 😉

[@davidmb1595]

@@Mr_Boifriend as long as they don’t try to force the rest of us to believe their nonsense, leave children and women alone, I’d say it’s ok for them to have such faith.

[@blade8741]

@@sparagmos4748 its almost like all they live for is for the oppresion olympics.

[@Cyboogie.the.Cyborg]

I am a racist just because I am, you need to respect me just as I am even if you feel I'm crazy. Damn that works really well.

[@cirrusm.2829]

Enjoying these edited videos of yours very much! I watched this Contra video quite some time ago and honestly forgot what kind of conclusion it had. When I was reminder of it in your video, I got almost offended lol. "The true trans is the friends we made along the way". What a waste of time! If I show up and say the Earth is flat and someone asks "uhh why do you think so?", should I just respond "I don't have to prove anything to you, everyone's denying flat earth's existence and that's so opressive!"?

[@KC_Streams]

Yeah I've said before I'd love to see a fan of Contra pick a video and just tell me what the point of the video was. Like... what arguments did they agree with? What points did they find insightful?

[@MetalGearsOfThought]

@@KC_Streams As a trans man, I can say that I find Contra Points to be asking questions, not giving answers. I see this as similar to other neuro divergences, and we often see comorbidity with autism and ADHD. What I find frustrating, is people who aren't doctors, who aren't therapists, who have no knowledge of any of this, telling people they aren't transgender, or that they don't deserve gender affirming care. It's literally none of your business. But like most neuro divergencies do benefit from accommodations in order to live productive, happy lives, a little empathy would go a long way. Trans people ask so little. Respect my pronouns, let me use the bathroom. These are not huge inconveniences, or they shouldn't be. But when I look at the way autistic people and people with ADHD are treated, as annoying, have less job opportunities, told to just stop being weird, despite very real differences in their brains, I'm not surprised. People whose brains are different experience stresses and discomfort that you can't imagine. In the same way anyone who's never had period cramps has zero credibility talking about period cramps, non-trans people should either work on understanding how trans people experience the world, or just butt out and go do something more productive. Most autistic people can't tell you what caused it, in fact, we don't know. But how they experience the world is very real. As is being berated for not being 'normal' when it's simply impossible. If you have a brain tumor, can you be expected to explain to people what brain tumors are, what causes them, how to treat them? Sure, if the info's available, you might know, but you don't know simply because you have a brain tumor. Being trans sucks. It's horrible. And for people who are already isolated by their differences, with no one around to 'trend' them into transness, it's just effing lonely. Especially those who are in the closet, so to speak, who are miserable every day of their lives, and who know if they attempt to make their lives better, they'll just be crapped on by people who DEMAND answers as to WHY they feel the way they do. I had five years of intensive weekly counselling, because I was determined to understand the root cause of how I felt, and I didn't want to make a mistake. And I still can't tell you. I can only tell you that it is who I am, and it isn't going to change. I tried. And all I would ask from others a little empathy and acceptance. Less derision and postulating and hypothesizing. You know what I get asked when I do finally reveal I'm trans to someone else? I get borderline rage-filled questions about 'men' in women's sports, that those people have never watched or cared about until suddenly now. And I'm supposed to have the answers? I hate this, I struggle with this, it's horrible, it's uncomfortable, it's miserable. Please, please, for the love of god, find someone else to pick on other than trans people.

[@MrDj232]

​@@MetalGearsOfThought You want society to redefine several words, ask and remember every random individual's personal preferences, open or redesign sex exclusive spaces to everyone who claims their gender doesn't match their biology, and completely ignore all the problems these things cause. Yet you claim you're not asking for much. Quit pretending to be bullied every time someone disagrees with you. You are suffering from a delusion and would be better served learning to deal with reality rather than being pandered to.

[@annaxyz5132]

​@@MetalGearsOfThought TL;DR. Your misery is not another person's responsibility. No, you don't have a male brain. That has been scrutinized and debunked so many times, you are welcome to consult those sources, but you won't will you. You've got a neurosis about something that is inevitably real and unchangeable about you. That's your first problem. It is for you to accept and to find resolve in, not for others to cater to and indulge. We already empathize and understand - we offer you nothing of what you demand anyway. We don't accept your underlying denialist philosophy and your gratuitous demands born out of this deep wish. We accept you as you are, only as far as it is relevant to us, and that's probably already more than what you are willing to accept about your own self. We will not accept you as what you wish to be, no matter how badly you want it, no matter how much it hurts you in the fee-fees not to have it. That is not something you should expect nor feel entitled to as a basic right. Please understand that the best you can hope for is to "pass", which in your case would be to be a narrow-shouldered wide-hipped mini-me of a lumberjack at best. From most people's perspectives - and I mean this most genuinely - that won't even begin to make you a man. The world isn't your Disneyland. We are not paid actors out here trying to maintain your narcissistic fantasy, just because you can't handle your own dissonance whenever you're met with reality. We see your pleas for empathy and acceptance for the gaslighting and emotional blackmail that it really is, and we find it contemptible.

[@SouthernersSax]

How about this: let's disregard all underlying philosophical and theoretical justifications and focus on the practical. As long as we have legislation that is geared toward specific groups, then it is imperative that the membership criteria for said groups be unambiguously defined.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

Hear, hear. It’s bizarre that there are any laws on the books ANYWHERE that use the term ‘non-binary’.

[@catoticneutral]

I think this video got rid of the last bit of respect I had for Contrapoints.

[@dez6278]

Those brain scans were functional MRI's, which show what part of the brain you're using in real time. Those trans women were scanned after estrogen treatment so it's not really a good test for that. As usual, we weren't given the full story there. Really, it's just a body dysmorphea diagnosis that's needed. Do you watch Buck Angel, a trans man who talks about the problems with self ID to be trans? He and I agree that it needs to be medical transition to be trans, and the process requiring years of therapy before starting the medical process.

[@ambientjohnny]

Still a delusional belief that is incredibly regressive and sexist at its core. No one NEEDS to eff up their body just because they are incapable of actually accepting themselves as they are.

[@zbeatza9910]

Some arguments transgender try to make is that puberty blockers do not harm children and if you stop using them your body will go back to normal. They are talking about time freezing your natural hormones while the body continues to grow but doesn't develop into male/female body. 🍻This is some dr who type of scenario.

[@CoperliteConsumer]

You bring up an incredible point about the socal construct argument being sexist. I never thought about it from that lense but you are so right! It also makes the entire trans-ordeal feel regressive inbthat weird way. Like remever when dylan mulvani became a chick and then started posting extremely offensive videos where he said now he wants to shop and do other vapid things all day bow that hes a girl? I cant help but connect these 2 dots

[@CoperliteConsumer]

The weird destruction of femininity is just offensive and cruel to young girls currently growing up. Imo society ought be built for the youth and this vapid narcissistic drag culture is confusing to young girls and debases their essence. We should push back on this

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

Of course. The whole ideology is regressive to the max. It’s bizarre how more people don’t recognize that *immediately*

[@collyernicholasjohn]

When Contrapoints de transitions he should do a video. It’ll be epic.

[@DictatorDoPa]

Contra finds the prospect of using logic to prove love to be degrading. Contra is just a former nice guy.

[@abirdkilledmeh]

Former nice guy? He was a pretty well known incel.

[@ChanakyanStudent7971]

I can't tell if you're a UK citizen or not, but to be frank I think british conservatives(speaking of that very vaguely as anyone who doesn't agree with the latest hyper radical leftist media is labelled as conservative) are far more intellectually developed than their counterparts in US. US conservatives especially christian fundamentalist are completely off the rails and stupid, whereas mainline conservatives in UK are much more rational, tame and actually smart. They aren't raging anti gay conservative uncles but more like the educated individual questioning what is being uncontestedly thrusted onto them by a very carefully controlled ecosystem.

[@doid4354]

There are extremes of uneducated on both political sides. To say all US conservatives are stupid is cruel. I don’t even think all democrats are stupid even though the extremists may have you believe otherwise.

[@ChanakyanStudent7971]

@doid4354 I wasn't trying to say they're all stupid, they're not, but I think a significantly higher margin of people on american right are the stupid ones compared to UK or Europe.

[@FreeTheDonbas]

It's not necessarily a US vs UK thing, more of a left vs right one. King Critical is arguing from a gender critical feminist perspective i.e. a left-wing one. Radical leftist media sadly does not exist.

[@enclaveherewhyisntyourvide3089]

British conservatives always lose and never conserve. They're as ineffectual as their American counterparts without the sincerity or personal conviction.

[@dsm7014]

​@@FreeTheDonbasYou can determine from the nature of the last sentence of his screed he's only referring to liberal's whole-hearted embracing of modern identity politics. I really think we really ought to be more specific in how we denote the sociopolitical ideations of others, the left/right spectrum doesn't really work when you're conflating the culture war with economic policy.

[@Guitar.Gemini]

Thank you for making your long form videos on this insanity. I wouldn’t have the patience.

[@hunted4blood]

16:00 Not a huge deal, but I think I've got a counterexample to the "An identity can't be self-referential" point. A liar. Like, I think a pretty coherent definition of a liar is "A liar is anyone who self-identifies as a liar." I think this is mostly just the exception that proves the rule, but it's an interesting point that's been rattling around in my brain for a while.

[@KC_Streams]

Well wouldn't this imply that someone who doesn't self identify as a liar isn't a liar (I feel like lots of liars don't admit they're lying)? Also if somebody lied all the time then if they self-identify as a liar would that be a lie? It sort of feels like a robot head explosion situation

[@hunted4blood]

@@KC_Streams I feel like if a someone says they're not a liar, they are either a) lying, in which case they do self ID as a liar, they're just not admitting it. or b) telling the truth, in which case they're not a liar. As for the robot head exploding thing, I guess you're right. I was trying to extrapolate "A lie is a statement which you believe to be untrue" into a self-ID for liars, but when you make it into an identity it inherets the same contradiction as saying "this statement is a lie." Darn! Foiled again!

[@richardburberry2529]

​@hunted4blood So your idea on what self ID means is very weird. a) If someone tells someone they're are not a liar, but they, in fact, are, how are they identifying as a liar? It seems like they're doing the opposite. It seems like you're appealing to some absolute truth to the claim that the person is either a true liar are not, but if you're appealing to the truth then surely you must be able to come to the conclusion that self ID is irrelevant to someone being a liar. They either are or they aren't. Whether they're willing to lie about it or are deluded about it seems to be irrelevant.

[@TePPoP776]

@@richardburberry2529 The original point, I think, was that if you say "I am a liar", even if you hadn't ever lied before, then the statement itself becomes a lie and is therefore true. Otherwise if you have lied before then the statement is just true on the face of it.

[@Kira-ji2ft]

"A liar is anyone who self-identifies as one" is pretty vague compared to the objective definition of "a liar is someone who tells lies." Yes, anyone who would self-identify as a liar is a liar, because if they weren't a liar, they'd be lying, and therefore become a liar through the act of identifying as something they're not. The problem is that not every liar would self-identify, in fact they might be more inclined to hide their identity as a liar, or they could have different ideas as to what constitutes a liar, whether a truthful person can tell a few small lies or only lie for good causes, and things like that. This is why we have a distinction between statements of fact and statements of opinion which may be an implied statement of fact. "I don't think I'm a liar" might be technically true, while "I'm not a liar" may be false. What makes a person a liar isn't the self-identification, it's the objective act of lying. Self-identification of one's nature is downstream of one's concrete, objective nature, at least in schools of thought that don't outright reject objective reality. And if you reject objective reality, then nothing is true, everyone is a liar, and a liar is just someone who operates by a different set of equally false facts from most people.

[@lunardomain]

glad to see your channel is growing!!

[@h0neym00nl0ve0]

34:57 i loved it so much, thank you for coming out of character, it was really funny😅♥️

[@Nyctophora]

Great video! Also, congratulations on your wedding :D

[@ToyKnives]

polite note: your third timestamp in your description is misformatted, so it's excluded from the chapters

[@Dr3Mc3Ninja]

I think True Trans is someone who experiences mental distress towards their s_x-specific characteristics and feels at ease when perceived as the opposite s_x. It is not s_xually motivated. It is not necessarily a permanent feeling, but it can be crippling. TransTranders are (usually) regular straight people who want VIP access to the LGBTQIA+ or particularly neurotic women with a persecution f_tish.

[@FelinaFairyphonic]

how do you feel about people with gender disphoria, but their transition is also sexually motivated? sometimes the homosexual transsexual group and autogynephilia overlap

[@somegenerichandle]

yeah i think it's supposed to be about the disconnect between those who believe dysphoria is necessary to id as trans. It's just another tell that Contrapoints doesn't know much. He's a straight man, a former MRA at that, and mainly transitioned to bolster his career.

[@deltagearadvanced5140]

@@somegenerichandle Personally I think dysphoria on some level is needed. From crippling to general discomfort. Anyone who decides with no reason other than "Because I ID therefore I am" I think is either trans-trending or are just wearing a costume like I swap hoodies over the year or someone engages in different fandoms more than others. TBH I could care less what you ID as, what DOES urk and bother me is when you get attention seeking jerks who blow up that you don't affirm them and anyone who isn't GNC. I can't tell you how frustrating it's been to wanna live my life minding my own business and yet still run into people who make my life a living hell because i don't 100000000% agree with their views. Hell, I lost what i thought was a close friend who did and said some pretty horrid to me when they found out I didn't see them as a biological women and got upset i took the trans part of them being trans into account. I never even brought it up, they pestered and begged for my opinion over and over and when I finally just told them, respectfully I might add, they basically ruined the whole friend group we were in because they couldn't fathom I didn't see things the exact same as them.

[@initial_kd]

So how does body dysmorphia differ from gender incogruence? What about societal perceptions/expectations of gender identity and social classes?

[@PLKinka]

According to your logic, most women are trans then.

[@boiledelephant]

Real talk: I actually admire the kernel of what some transtrenders are doing when they beligerently opt into being trans. I had long hair and was a nerdy misfit teen, and school was thoroughly miserable because of a dominant demographic of narrow-minded jocks who liked victimising anyone who was perceived as "not normal enough". That mindset just repels me and I can't take those people seriously, and the desire to be deliberately, offensively strange just to antagonize and goad them is, in my mind, a bit heroic, at least as much as anything that happens in high school can be considered 'heroic'. To some trans people the ideology is clearly unimportant - it's the deconstruction of social norms and the challenging of oppressive groupthink that's valuable, and I have a lot of time for that, even as I'm not convinced by trans theory.

[@betaradish9968]

I love the unfurling of the very creased green screen. That was genuine and brilliant.

[@zscout1288]

Don't forget that it is a possibility for some to "change" what they identify as because of the attention it gets them. Some people crave attention rather its positive or negative.

[@theimperialwizard9295]

0:16 I’m gonna be straight up I thought you were gonna fart into the mic

[@KC_Streams]

I wouldn't! And if it ever seems like I have... I swear that's my creaky chair

[@theimperialwizard9295]

@ I’ll become a patron if you do, you can be my prostitute

[@cantthinkofaname750]

Contra’s fans are gonna get you 💀

[@sparagmos4748]

We're ready for them!🥳

[@xenosayain1506]

Catholic comment hurts I'm a catholic who recently rejected the authority to the Vatican sticking to the gospel and Bible.

[@KC_Streams]

Well that's creditable but really at that point you're not a Catholic. If you're sticking with the gospel and the Bible you're a baptist or something adjacent to that

[@xenosayain1506]

@@KC_Streams logistically it's methodist I've learned on my journey. Still believing in all the teachings from the Bible while rejecting any "traditions" that only have root in common culture. Confession is an easy one. It was a cultural tool of the catholic church to keep an eye on its flock and citizens. No where in scripture does it state you need a priest to confess your sins to the lord and seek repentance. Oddly specific because it was the starting point that had me argueing with my priest

[@xenosayain1506]

@@KC_Streams correction. I meant Lutheran referring to Martin Luther's trying to right corruption within thd catholic church.

[@wolfofthewest8019]

If you reject the authority of the Vatican, then you are not a Catholic. The correct term for what you are is an _apostate_ or a _heretic._ "No where in scripture does it state you need a priest to confess your sins to the lord and seek repentance." Leviticus 5:5-6 "when someone is guilty in regard to any of these matters, *that person shall confess the wrong committed,* and make reparation to the LORD for the wrong committed: a female animal from the flock, a ewe lamb or a she-goat, as a purification offering. *Thus the priest shall make atonement on the individual’s behalf for the wrong."*

[@BlueGamingRage]

@@wolfofthewest8019 you can absolutely be a Catholic without agreeing with the Vatican. You just aren't a ROMAN Catholic, instead following a different pope or believing the Papal line is broken

[@austinbruce6917]

I appreciate your critique

[@Rose-h5u9o]

Perhaps best to mention, Contrapoints is referring to the term transtrender as it was used in the trans community a few years ago. There is an ideological divide in the trans community between people who believe you need gender dysphoria to be transgender (called transmedicalism, or "truscum" in a derogatory manner), these trans people also often place an emphasis on neurological explanations behind trans identity, cross-sex identification, and managing to pass, and there are also those who believe you do not need gender dysphoria to be transgender (called "tucutes", or "transtrenders" in a derogatory way), who tend to believe in gender constructionism as an explanation behind transgender identity, who promote gender identities beyond the typical gender binary, and who don't see passing as vital. "Transtrender" has connotations of being trans for political bargaining, victim complexes, and wanting to feel special/unique. Because of the recent uptick in interest in transgender issues, "transtrender" was sort of injected into the mainstream consciousness and lost the original purpose, which was for internal dialogue (bickering) between trans people.

[@FelinaFairyphonic]

I think the mental distress is what justifies medical transition. then when the person looks a lot like the opposite sex, that justifies calling them truly trans and also justifies different treatment (putting a male who looks like a woman in male prison would be dangerous, calling a person who looks like a woman "she" comes naturally ) but it does not mean that they have really changed sex. Buck Angel, for instance, is true trans in my opinion but he´s not man.

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

Research shows the transition doesn't help or worsens the distress which muddies the water in your solution.

[@KC_Streams]

I would broadly agree with this. Transsexuals are materially different from those who aren't, and while I'm not completely sure what impact that should have on how society treats them, it definitely is legitimate to suggest we would treat genuinely different individuals differently

[@Nemo12417]

​@@ThatBugBehindYouif it makes them take themselves out of the equation, I'm not complaining.

[@cantinadudes]

​@@ThatBugBehindYouresearch shows that this is a case by case thing. In some cases it does help and in others it makes it worse. Thats why i believe years of therapy should come before any potential hormone or surgical treatment

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

@@cantinadudes You're using a very biased lens to interpret the majority damning results, I don't think there's even one credible test that comes through saying it's a good thing to transition someone and if so it's a penny in a vast well. I still agree with your final conclusion regardless.

[@asmkalrizion7078]

my F150 is a Ferrari, you can't prove to me that it isn't because doing so would invalidate my feelings, so it just is.

[@Idziemel1]

Oh wow, that’s awesome! What model is it? I hope it’s a 1960 California.

[@Hidinginyourcupboard]

I like that: "an 'ought' from an 'is'". Also - I genuinely think men have a harder time telling the difference between women and men dressed as them. Contra doesn't look like a woman, although he is 'well-presented' 👍

[@nineteenfortyeight]

The voice does him in every time. Good lord. There's a theory that women are better at clocking them because our safety depends on knowing when there's a man about.

[@KC_Streams]

I'm not very perceptive with sex differences

[@respectable-username]

Regarding the brain argument, its determined what a male and female brain is by what structures show up in males and females without causing mental issues in direct relation to it. When the opposite shows up, it creates those problems. When the common show up, no problems.

[@ambientjohnny]

Complete lie. A male brain, is in a male body, and a female brain in a female body. There is NO SUPPORT WHATSOEVER for the claim of people being "born in the wrong body", you all just have really sexist conceptions of what being a male or female entails. A delusional belief.

[@silverabel13]

This may be random but I really like your outfit in this video! Maybe the shirt could've had a slightly darker or brighter color, so it doesn't merge with your skin (maybe just in the video). Your hair and beard shadow fits as well (could be more imo). Just some random females' opinion.

[@krywoz707]

"No True Scotsman" - the video essay

[@TheRealstarkHOUTx]

Not really. No True Scotsman doesn’t apply to arguments about identity. Rather, NTS actually describes saying “No true Scotsman would say that!”, trying to DISCREDIT someone

[@KT-pv3kl]

@@TheRealstarkHOUTx there is no limit to the applicability of the no true Scotsman fallacy

[@krywoz707]

@@TheRealstarkHOUTx I meant more of it in case of Contra "REAL TRANS like ME wouldnt do X"

[@smokingowly3607]

YAS QUEEN SLAY!

[@PD-ws4td]

You should do a debate with Rationality rules and call into “The Line” with Matt dillahunty on the subject

[@Stoppit-tidyup]

I'd actually love to see Erica discuss this with kingcritical. It would be such a respectful debate

[@KC_Streams]

I am not a fan of debates in general. I have reviewed a debate that rationality rules had with someone else, though

[@Stoppit-tidyup]

@KC_Streams that's why I suggested Erica! It would be more like a respectable discussion. She's usually dealing with young earth creationists who are very disrespectful. It always amazes me how lovely she is with them

[@PD-ws4td]

@@KC_Streams nah i get it. People have asked me to call into the show as well, but I prefer written debates because I can structure myself better and take time to analyze mine and the opponents claims, do research, etc, before responding. I saw the video with rationality rules. I still feels like he is not a lost cause unlike Matt dillahunty and Forrest.

[@VocalBrony123]

You're telling me that arguments for irrational positions are irrational? Shocking

[@somegenerichandle]

congrats on the green screen. Nice use of historical set dressings. It almost rivals Nick's.

[@MsDidi38]

I liked looking at your LOTR posters 😊

[@ser5528]

Seeing a maassive lapse in logic with something here. 1.Biological definition: It wokrs 99.9% of the time so the flaws are very little except few edsge cases. The edge cases do not dismiss the argument. 2. Male/Female Brain: Suddenly the supposed edge cases of people with Gender Dysphoria would automatically invalidate the terms of male/female brains. 3. What makes trans identity not fall into an edge case under the logic of 1. Sinc eedge cases exist already. Under the logic of 2 the biological definition of 1 falls apart as the sole category of definition of man/woman and the validation of brain/body mismatch becomes viable.

[@KC_Streams]

The issue is in the case of male/female brain the exceptions are being pointed to in order to prove the point (that male has a brain more commonly found in females, therefore that male has a female brain). There is a consistency here in that my objection is to pointing to exceptions to prove points

[@ser5528]

@@KC_Streams But the whole FUNDEMENTAL basis of the transmed argument is that they are within the exception of the biological definition, and make up for it through the other 2 methods (Social, Identity). The whole point is that transmeds consider their dysphoria a form of intersex condition that they are treating. Plus differences in the brains of men and women in terms of grweymatter/white matter ratios, pathways, size of different structures exist, and a lot of tested trans people show brain features clsoer to ther identified gender than their biological sex. By your logic the fact that an Intersex person having XY chromosomes disproves the fact that a vagina is part of the female reproductive system.

[@ambientjohnny]

@@ser5528 You are lying about the brain differences. Outside of a male or female body, brains cannot be sexed. So just stop lying,

[@CaptainAwsome]

if you do end up sticking with the green screen you will need to properly light it to prevent your shadow messing with the key

[@nineteenfortyeight]

Oh no the old palace has ghosts

[@FreeTheDonbas]

No, it just needs to be further away from him

[@KC_Streams]

Yeah honestly better lighting is something I'm increasingly realise I need. I abandon recording a video halfway through a few days ago because I was relying on natural lighting but it was a bright sunny day with occasional clouds. So one moment I'd be bathed in the most intense extreme light... next thing I know a cloud would appear and it would be pitch black

[@FreeTheDonbas]

I never understood why Contra went for a creepy tone for this one. Someone should make a playlist including all of Contra's non-privated videos called: Contra argues with himself about whether he is a feminine man or a male woman, seemingly coming to the conclusion that he is in fact a female woman uwu. Gender identity disorder has been in the DSM-V for over 40 years, so it's not "younger than Tumblr". Gender *roles are performative. Judy Butler is just allergic to saying "roles". Contra left out that being gay is immutable, conversely up to 95% of (usually gay) people with early onset GID desist i.e. it's literally a phase, according to every study on desistance. Never understood why all sides seem to agree with the sentiment "sex & gender are different", but then use the term 'gender' to exclusively refer to the sexes. Gender means male/female. That's all it ever means in both English & self-ID pseudo-language. If you want to know what the word sex means, do a google image search, then realise that the word 'gender' is too valuable to throw away & certainly can't be reverted back to being called "sex". The connotation of the word 'sex' is so vulgar, that merely changing the word "transsexual" to "transgender" has single-handedly projected the child-mutilation club into the mainstream.

[@fabiodastolfo1207]

Best video you'v done so far, and i'v been following for a couple of years.

[@beh802]

2:21 This reminds of this guy I knew who said he was gay and then preceded to get a gf, then after she dumped him he went back to identifying as gay.

[@chasenthedragon]

"Yaas-, er, Yeahhzz- uh..." Absolute cinema!! Love the green sceen!

[@jibbobdion5072]

Good morning king Critical, I have a question, so, I define gender as an amalgamation of one's sex age and species, and when deffing sex I usually say "it's a binary, with an impregnator and an impregnatee." And I feel like my younger gender extreamist, brother might point out sea horses as an outlier, since the males become pregnant, although I swear as a kid zi heard that males just had pouches to carry the baby sea horses like a Kangaroo or something? What way should I respond to this?

[@evancolby2274]

Impregnator and impregnatee is an imprecise way of putting it. It's really about gamete size. We know that male seahorses are male because they produce small gametes.

[@wolfofthewest8019]

Sex is defined by type of gametes the organism produces, not by whether the organism gets pregnant or not. For example, most female birds, reptiles and many types of fish do not get pregnant at all -- they lay unfertilized eggs which are then fertilized by the male. The binary is inseminator (male) vs oviposer (female). If pregnancy was what defined the female sex, then male seahorses would be female and female seahorses would be male. However, male seahorses are male because they produce the small gamete which inseminates the ovi (egg) of the female seahorse. That the male seahorse inseminates the egg in a special pouch and carries them to term is unusual, but doesn't challenge the idea of sex any more than the fact that female penguins don't get pregnant does.

[@nineteenfortyeight]

Age??

[@jibbobdion5072]

@nineteenfortyeight Of my brother? 29.

[@wolfofthewest8019]

@@nineteenfortyeight I assume he means man vs boy, woman vs girl.

[@senescence57]

0:18 Yes King! Give us dat Crit-ussy! (Sorry, couldn't resist) Haven't finished yet, but thank you for engaging with the idea of transtrenderism, and not just dismissing it with the boring "there is no real transness". Like even if you don't believe trans gender claims are real, there's a lot of interesting stuff to unpack here that lazier gender crits often miss.

[@e.yassine4426]

Hello there

[@IRL_Lore]

GENERAL KENOBI!

[@braveblade]

greenscreen era

[@KC_Streams]

TBH as I say... I like my actual background too much. But if there's any reason to use a green screen I definitely will whip it out again! Especially now I know it works!

[@nachtrevi82]

Icky and Finnster are gross

[@initial_kd]

Finn imo was groomed into taking estrogen and doing porn, he used to just be a meme crossdresser. 2 of them also had friendships with a few people who are very no no... probably still a few in their circlesl lol. They also are pro sex work, even though they've seen first hand how bad sex work can be. Icky also teaches kids how to do diy hormones. It's fine for them to be privileged and doing OF because they don't survive from sex work and it's all glamoured up for them. Icky, more like whole thing is yucky! Worst type of people who think, how you present yourself matters more than anything so stereotyping is ok. Being a femboy is literally the same as being female to these chuckle cucks, all about self perception (the illusion/delusion of it all and the cognitive bias).

[@CampfirElena]

that's so out of nowhere lol

[@diamondinmyeye6160]

Interesting points. I accept the general ideas of trans medicalism, but it's definitely true that it makes more sense for a trans woman to say they feel uncomfortable being seen as male rather than "feeling like a woman." From that, it follows that a trans woman will do everything in their power to portray hyperfemininity. A butch lesbian who's comfortable being seen that way doesn't feel any desire to walk around in a hyperfeminine way, because she's happy being a woman who's not feminine. It's not sexist to say that femininity is a collection of attributes. Some women want to embrace those characteristics and some don't. They have their biology regardless. A trans woman doesn't have their biology, so they compensate with external characteristics to be perceived as more feminine.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

This is very well articulated. Thank you (and I’m a seriously gender critical person).

[@Oysters176]

While I do not accept her/his definition of 'transsexual', and think it's really dumb, I at least see it as verifiable, which I have tested that 'man brain in a female' or 'female brain in a male' theory and it came short. It was unverified, or rather verified to not be the case through my own sensitive instruments I am equipped with. That only dealt with certain types of 'transgenders' the test no way encases all, just a few 'types'.

[@ee-ue8xm]

what

[@julianstone1192]

How? Do you identify as an fMRI machine?

[@AttacMage]

I'll wish you luck, Ted Bundy mk II.

[@Oysters176]

@@ee-ue8xm The test encompasses them as the sample, and people who broadly resemble them as a type, even through people are individuals, unique and different, we can still sort them, and we are pattern recognizers by nature. Through our relationships with people who resemble others may be different, for example, there was a rival of mine, and when I moved, there was a dude that resembled him, but I never could consider him a rival, couldn't work, and wouldn't be useful. It's the same basic tool to test them, but abit reversed. Requires listening abilities and non-judgement, it works better with people who you can meet at some energy/position, people are different and respond differently to different things. Besides basic 'sensing', you make proving inquiries by poking, What is offensive to them? What are the scared cows. What do they justify? Take for granted? What is the position, and what is 'them'. What are they lacking? What position are they in? Usually I shut up about my negativity towards transgenderism or nonbinary or any of that jazz if they are pleasant enough, to get something out of it. I often do make my disagreement known, politically I have to have integrity to a fault.

[@Oysters176]

@@julianstone1192 That shouldn't be a retort, even if I said Yes, that would have more validity than claiming nonbinary-ness or that one is really the other sex.

[@foop9]

Hey, was wondering if it's normal for patreon to automatically end the subscription after a month ? I keep having to re-sign up.

[@KC_Streams]

Oh... it's not... Uhm... I can try to look into that. It's possible you've been erroneously dropped from the credits based on that. Patreon tryna steal my money

[@foop9]

Blast! In any case I'll just sign up again

[@loopycultist375]

does your view change for transexuals if any at all?

[@theJellyjoker]

//21:20// Welcome to society, mind the reality gap.

[@proxyepsilon4172]

0:15 👀👀

[@KC_Streams]

Fan service!

[@itsmyfavgameseries]

idk how i feel about the green screen buddy maybe go back to the old background

[@nineteenfortyeight]

Regular background please

[@TheOmnitom]

That trans person lied about needing surgery and drugs and about the way it works in its fullest at about six minutes in that was all a complete lie 😂.

[@joskun]

This video is so good, thanks so much :) And the intro and the 'Yas queen' moments are so f'ing golden lmao. You rock dude!

[@PrettyWeirdDuck]

🤭😆😆All I saw was INTS & OINTS after the green screen. Maybe the background could be a scene from Lord of the Rings, just for fun.

[@taqedog3717]

Male brain and female brain is like saying there is a male height and a female height. Women are on average 5ft6 men are on average 6ft A woman who is 6ft isn't "male heighted" she is just a tall female. Just like height brain have different average between genders , that doesn't mean they are dimorphic.

[@mistahsusan2650]

the regions in the brain develop differently, and how it develops over a lifetime; also the difference in percentage of grey and white matter; the way that connections build up within and across the two hemispheres ... it's the same with male hearts and lungs being proportionally bigger than female hearts and lungs; females being born with an extra vertibrae in the spine ...

[@ellisdunegan]

Ai can tell the difference between male MRIs and female MRIs. Several universities have used different AI models and found the same results.

[@ellisdunegan]

It's a woman's brain that regulates pregnancy. They'll never be able to implant a uterus into a man and make it carry to term.

[@taqedog3717]

@@mistahsusan2650the brain also going to devolp differently between a Dutchman and an Indian man. It doesn't mean its fundamentally differently. Meaning if we found a women with the amount of grey matter and brain size of the average male is similar to finding a tall women.

[@taqedog3717]

@@ellisdunegan 🧢

[@martineyles]

39:04 Joey Tribbiani in The One at the Beach?

[@cooksoni.a]

I’m still a scene kid lowkey

[@stephanielake8169]

Well said as always

[@JellybeansDad]

please never say yaaas queen slay again nice green screen though. very comfy.

[@jodie-b4g]

Yes. Those back grounds remind me of gamer boys. Lol.

[@FelineVillain]

You are using the trifecta wrong lol you can only have 2 of the 3 options, so if trans is based off biology and social standards then it can't be self-identity. If it's biological and self-identity then it can not be societal. ECT

[@darkdudironaji]

The argument at 20:35 is atrociously bad. You're literally saying butch lesbians are men, even though they identify as women. Unless your definition only applies to trans people. But then it's just a bad definition all around. Edit: Seems he makes the same point at 23:25

[@nineteenfortyeight]

He's setting up the view he's arguing against

[@popcorn3407]

Great video!! I think it perfectly encapsulates the basis of why trans ideology doesn't make sense

[@Joutube_is_trash]

Bro is drowning in those jeans

[@KC_Streams]

Yeah if I'd known my but was gonna be in focus I would have pulled them up a bit to make them more figure-hugging

[@Yeaokayyea]

@@KC_Streams that’s a pretty gay and feminine thing to say. You are performing femininity by making that statement. Which I have no issue with, but since you are performing femininity, that means you are a woman, according to the contrapoints point of view. All hail Queen Critical! Seriously though, by the contrapoints and Judith butler logic, wouldn’t every feminine gay man be a woman? It makes no sense. Gender is nonsensical, yet it’s treated as fact in academic circles.

[@grumbolaya]

28:56 yeah, one comes with more knockouts

[@katerynaufymtseva5073]

yass queen indeed 😆😆

[@Maktfaktor]

Haha, this channel would be so fun if you did the postmodern void green screen. I hate patreon, I think people should just speak their mind without being paid. I think the payment is antidemocratic, but I have followed your channel since the very beginning, while the only people who shared you were women in terf groups on facebook, so I shall consider it.

[@KC_Streams]

The only issue with speaking one's mind without being paid is that there's a point where speaking one's mind becomes equivalent to a full time career (I'm not at that point, but I definitely could if I were getting even more) and that point obviously being paid is kind of necessary to not... die

[@Maktfaktor]

@@KC_Streams Would you lose your mind if it became your primary source of income? I have supported one person on patreon and I felt like a pimp. "Tell me what I want to hear and I'll pay you", is what I felt like .

[@Maktfaktor]

Not a pimp, like a John. Patreon is obviously the pimp.

[@sharifsalem]

35:11 dude Mr. Wynn looks like a man in drag that’s it. I don’t know any women that look or sound like him so why are you saying that completely bizarre?

[@nineteenfortyeight]

I'm waiting for him to declare himself a LADYYYYY

[@KC_Streams]

I've seen MUCH less convincing looking men in drag!