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[@adrien2998]

“Justine was extremely gay” hits a little different with Shame out now

[@TheDevNell]

I wonder if Tiff Tumbles was also based on that other person.

[@crystalcoveseries]

@@TheDevNell I'm guessing Tiff still represents Blair White. The other person is Theryn, and while in Canceling Natalie did say that Theryn was at one time not accepting of non-binary genders she was able to persuade her otherwise when they met in person for the first time.

[@calitutkowski406]

Holy shit it does so bad

[@adrien2998]

crystalcoveseries Natalie did say on Twitter that Tiffany isn’t Blaire but is just supposed to represent self loathing trans women in general

[@tinseltina]

YES i agree

[@duckietheduck]

people complaining about baltimore being a nonbinary stereotype are completely ignoring the two other characters sitting next to them

[@margaretgibbs6673]

Yeah! I honestly think people who say that either didn't watch the video at all or they just got to the beginning part with Baltimore being introduced, watched for about a minute and then noped out and went off in a rage thinking the point was just to make fun. Yes, Baltimore wasn't totally serious as a character but tbh they weren't any more "stereotypical" than Tiffany or Justine or Tabby. And they made seriously valid points, and stayed calm even when being obviously just mocked and called gross, and then afterward got another character who isn't always sympathetic telling Tiffany they were wrong?? How is that not supposed to be a validation of the nonbinary character in the end, I just...I don't get people sometimes. People don't get how sketches work.

[@onlineoddballs3668]

So was Baltimore completely justified or were they wrong in some parts? Not gonna lie, Tiffany made more sense than Baltimore. not sure if that's a good thing. Also I'm new to this nonbinary stuff so if I irritate someone, well, sorry if I do.

[@ellebresych5282]

@@onlineoddballs3668 did you watch the whole thing?

[@onlineoddballs3668]

@@ellebresych5282 Yep.

[@enderwiggins8248]

Glaceson Fenton I’m curious why you think Tiffany made better points? As someone who’s coming to terms with their own a non-binary identity, I thought Baltimore made excellent points dissecting the hipocrisy of Tiffany’s transgender dichotomy. She couldn’t argue why her feelings were “more valid.” She saw her gender as a condition and not something to embrace. And in the end she resorted to name calling and verbal abuse because of her bigotry

[@crohnsdisease5414]

The level of costume design here is honestly kind of mind blowing. Justine's "anti-lesbian" nails, are maybe my favorite visual gag yet.

[@8877dksljfa]

Crohn's Disease i cant stop thinking about it

[@nataliegibson5226]

What a way to describe long nails

[@G0tenk0enig]

@@nataliegibson5226 thats not the point :')

[@TheSkyHazCloudz]

@@nataliegibson5226 It's where the long nails are.

[@nataliegibson5226]

@@TheSkyHazCloudz what u mean?

[@luciereder]

can we please talk about how Justine only had two long nails on her right hand, the index finger and the middle finger, and how these would be the nails kept short by lesbians? It's like she's physically preventing herself from being lesbian. So meta.

[@soymaster1625]

And then she pops off one nail upon coming out to signify that she's still only half way there. So many layers

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

I never noticed that! awesome!

[@adamc5914]

Holy shit there’s LORE

[@Vampire_Nightshade]

And look at Marlene Dietrich on the wall behing her!

[@meanbean6011]

Legitimate question, I'm a straight girl but I use my middle and ring finger? Using the first two seems really difficult

[@nitewarden]

I don't know if people recognize enough how good Natalie is at creating the illusion of a conversation with different people with her acting skills alone. It doesn't just feel like she's talking at a camera, it feels like she's actually talking to another person in the room. Good editing though too of course.

[@hedera280]

I feel like that has a lot to do with even being able to write a script like this, you really do have to see from both sides

[@KatyaR]

Yeah I am honestly blown away, she's so good

[@Julia99lol]

This was the first of her videos I watched, and it took me way too long to realise she was talking to herself

[@Hakajin]

I feel like this comes from an internal debate, you know?

[@TiMonsor]

sound editing too, overlapping etc

[@Cymricus]

"Do you think you can purchase acceptance through conformity" - most underrated line. We're all a little guilty of this

[@stariadreamtea]

I know, it was amazing. I really enjoyed that line.

[@fozziebean]

We're all trying to purchase acceptance through conformity to SOME extent, so it's a really important line to think about.

[@jvdhtm]

If nonconformity is the conformity, I always prefer to be the contrarian.

[@drpg7924]

Timestamp at 5:00 for those who want that delicious Baltimorian wisdom

[@breathless_siren]

Praise The Sun!

[@The1Helleri]

You've not only mastered the utility of the Socratic dialogue. You've... Trans-cended it.

[@joleneonyoutube]

YOU WIN

[@TreeHairedGingerAle]

*_slow clap ------> standing ovation_*

[@mmmk1616]

Whoa

[@golem2246]

Oh no, the puns have begun.

[@duncansimpson9383]

YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH

[@feelshowdy]

Back when I was closeted and a strict transmed, a genderfluid fandom friend told me this: "I don't want to be valid, [Name], I just want to be happy. I know that validation from strangers contributes to some people's happiness, but to me it really, really doesn't. What does contribute to my happiness is being able to just do what I want and not having to compromise on aspects of myself that ultimately don't harm anyone else." It put things into perspective for me.

[@SaladDongs]

While I agree with your friend, playing devil's advocate I would say then "So being genderfluid is essentially the same thing as the awareness of stereotypes and not wanting to conform to them, and so you find you stereotypical group that claims to defy stereotypes, like being goth or emo or even coming up with new genders just so you don't find yourself placed in some sort of box"

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

Reminds me of that comment saying "people have told me I'm valid so many times I'm feeling less like an enby and more like a bar code"

[@starstudios653]

@@SaladDongs nice try but thats not even what being goth or emo is about lmao

[@SaladDongs]

@@starstudios653 Nice try but you missed my point by 1000km

[@starstudios653]

@@SaladDongs I know that’s not your point dipshit I’m just pointing out you don’t know what the hell your talking about when it comes to either subject lol

[@spookingtonvonhaunt7495]

Baltimore might be my new favourite Contra character, the way they talk is so mystical and mysterious, I feel like I'd meet them in a spooky forest and they'd give me magical life advice

[@Serpillard]

*Baltimore confirmed as Elden Ring NPC*

[@spookingtonvonhaunt7495]

Hell yeah I'm so here for that

[@themoustachelady2937]

They have cast a spell on me

[@spookingtonvonhaunt7495]

ME TOO

[@steele_heart77]

Basically same

[@SMP1993]

Jackie Jackson sitting eating a red, white, and blue popsicle refusing to interject or fact-check whilst the guests on her show argue about psychology, gender, and science is the best impersonation of Dave Rubin in internet history.

[@samwallaceart288]

SMP 1993 - reminds me of Shoe0nHead; minutes of silent fidgeting before finally cutting in with “SHIT that’s a good point.”

[@SMP1993]

SamWallace Art that's an apt comparison as well lol.

[@roseclouds5838]

I am Jackie Jackson and I’m trying not to be biased going into this debate because I haven’t heard the other side yet. Maybe they’ll make good points as to why “non-binary” attack helicopter people exist

[@squibitybeebop]

I really don’t see how people think Natalie is insensitive towards nonbinary people. I’m nonbinary and I find her videos absolutely brilliant. She directly acknowledges and validates nonbinary people in most of her videos. I absolutely love her.

[@mariacillan9668]

Same. I finally accepted myself as gender fluid when I watched this. And I was in the middle of falling into Kalvin's self-hate trap too

[@tobithetabby6376]

@@mariacillan9668 I knew there was a reason why I felt distanced from Kalvin's content

[@SickOfItAll1988]

they don't watch the whole videos; they stop after reading the title and write an enraged paragraph somewhere

[@Velkhana22]

Also nonbinary, and also adored this character. They made nothing but good points, and Natalie handed the whole situation well in my eyes.

[@squibitybeebop]

Serena Egger absolutely! i love Baltimore!

[@kingbubbles9461]

I love how you went to the most extravagant new age non-binary specifically to show even they are valid, rather than going with an androgynous person. People are much more likely to accept the latter and it shows backbone to show that the former is also valid

[@isakgirhammar4034]

I just want to thank you for draging me out of the conservative rabbit hole on youtube. I was really deep but then I youtube recommended one of your videos to me and after that it slowly replaced all the right leaning videos with "leftist" (for the lack of another word) videos deconstructing arguments from the right. Thank you again, it really made me a better person all around.

[@magister06]

What a beautiful comment !

[@elegantdisarray]

This comment makes me insanely happy. 😊

[@TheBoeBoeBa]

As a fellow ex-conservative, I tell you, your problem wasn't your meaningless conservative opinion on politics or culture that you can't really affect or change anyways in a meaningful way. You spend too much time on the internet and youtube. How did you fell down the conservative rabbit hole in the first place? And a few youtube algorithm changes to prop up certain leftist channels to recommend to you was all it took to change your lifeview.... very sad, it probaly could've been any other ideology and it still would've changed your mind. Honestly, just get outside and find out what is truly interesting and important to you. Anyways, your comment has reminded me I should leave this site for good and that I have a internet addiction, all of you online leftwingers or rightwingers should try to quit internet for a while and find some irl marxist group if you're that into leftism.

[@Luzmaldita577]

@@TheBoeBoeBa exactly..

[@user-xc4pb1wt4l]

tsk fug same I was in a lot of rightwing/natsoc groupchats on politigram until I found contra points

[@nicoshaughnessy6476]

I really appreciate that you addressed how nonbinary identities can simultaneously be valid alone and valid as a stepping stone to a binary trans identity; I feel like so many people who work to debunk the "trender" rhetoric fall into the trap of either implying that no nonbinary people use it to get to binary trans, or that all of them eventually do.

[@transsexual_computer_faery]

i've always been irked by gender norms so i'll never "evolve" into a binary trans because the concept doesn't even work in my mind.

[@ireneb2173]

I think is similar to bisexuality if you think about it. Some people (like myself) said they were bi because they still didn't accepted being gay and were experimenting and trying to understand themselves, but there are also bi people who are really bisexual out there.

[@iamphoenixfire]

Exactly! So many people I know have come out as one thing as a stepping stone when others have not. PLENTY of trans folks I know come out as nonbinary or genderqueer before coming out as a binary gender, or vice versa. Like, my best friend is a trans dude who first came out as a man, then bigender, then a man, and now exists very soldly as a genderqueer man. He's been on T for awhile now. But he doesn't really want top surgery. I don't want T, not at all. But GOD can I not wait until I get top surgery. And I'm nonbinary/genderqueer. The spaces we as trans folks exist in are complicated.

[@itdoesntgetbetter1408]

What?

[@ichbinben.]

@@iamphoenixfire For me it was similar. I came out as a binary trans guy 4 years ago and started transitioning (T and top surgery). I knew from the beginning that I didn't want bottom surgery and I always liked feminine stuff, but I definitely knew that I wasn't a woman, so I did everything for people not to see me as one. I only recently started dressing more androgynously again and wearing make-up and nailpolish. I sometimes feel very masculine (and attached to the label "man") and sometimes very feminine (but NEVER attached to the label "woman") and other times I couldn't care less about any of that shit. I thought about adopting the label "genderfluid", but for now I feel like I'm way too attached to the label "man" to call myself anything other than that, so I refer to myself as a gender non-conforming trans man (I'm also gay, so it's a minority-hattrick XD). So you're right, trans identity is much more complicated than just an either/or.

[@spacetypo]

"if i've never seen my brain, how do i know if i even have a brain?" my GPA felt that

[@jinslif8188]

Schrodinger's brain

[@nikolaibukharin8865]

This applies to most of contrapoints viewers

[@nikolaibukharin8865]

Marxism will win, contrapoints won

[@nikolaibukharin8865]

1-0 for marxism

[@matto2121]

The fact that she created this extreme example of the conservatives idea of a 'transtrender' and manages to make us take their side. I entered this video agreeing with Tiffany, and left understanding how close minded I was and how valid baltimore is.

[@cxyj4y]

@@JamesGallagher90 Baltimore isn't real you terf

[@petscopkid]

@@JamesGallagher90 okay then, prove it

[@stealthis]

@@JamesGallagher90 lmao. Baltimore doesn't need a internal struggle for validation

[@GretaZ-dd3lu]

*He

[@sffb8295]

@@JamesGallagher90 It's 2022. Are we really going to sit here crying over a fictional character winning an argument simply because they don't fit your idea of a "good trans"?

[@jazzyroly]

“Do you think you can purchase acceptance through conformity? because that is not freedom.” That was powerful

[@greenmurphy]

Its only powerful if you conflate Freedom with licence.

[@KangMinseok]

Acceptance is earned; until it is earned, the maximum one can expect is tolerance

[@AliceDiableaux]

If you for some reason can't help but stand out like a sore thumb when you're just being yourself, sometimes conformity can be freedom, because it grants anonimity. It does become very exhausting after a while though.

[@SSelkie3]

@Shufei gender is a social construct, and doesnt exist on a binary, but a spectrum.

[@SSelkie3]

@Shufei "tendency to tyranny" genetic fallacy, strawman

[@pedroabreu005]

"I ended capitalism and everything I tweet is woke" Just amazing

[@bendym7001]

Amazin'

[@TreeHairedGingerAle]

o.o; The Borg have really changed from when we saw them last.

[@notsosadbart6343]

Every time Baltimore said Tiffany Tumbles it made me question my reality more and slip further into the void

[@aboz8649]

In... or out? (;

[@ohjeezriles]

fucking same

[@MountSilky252]

This video is both hilarious and insightful. I've never had any struggles with gender, but this video reminds me of growing up black without being "black enough" for other people. People are so busy shifting goalposts and defining things arbitrarily that they trap themselves in their incessant need to tell you how to be yourself...when they really shouldn't give a shit.

[@rexrad9735]

Well said!

[@deuxconsprod]

And the worst part of it all is... All this infighting about who counts as "a real woman" or as "black enough" ends up giving more credence and importance than they deserve to the labels and arbitrary categories which are then used to justify discrimination against and the oppression of those same marginalized groups.

[@alandgomez5905]

Lol not enough of this or too much of that. I think a lot of us can relate.

[@ayanna6327]

I relate sooo much to this. People become so woke that they end up getting sleep deprived and boxing themselves and everyone around them in all over again. It's frustrating.

[@corneliahanimann2173]

Man that sounds awful having to constantly justify your colour,

[@ILUVGAARA93933]

saying tumblr is twice as old as the first gender dysphoria diagnoses hit me like a brick.

[@hibikiotonokojishslvocalis7550]

y'all know that one meme where the OP shows a piece of media and they say how old it actually is in the caption, and you feel like you rapidly aged 30 years? yeah, that's how I felt.

[@phastinemoon]

I’m about to make y’all’s day even worse: The Internet, as we know and functionally define and use it, came about in the shadow of 9/11. Everything about it that makes it what it is developed during the Bush Administration and invasion of Iraq, and was directly or indirectly influenced by it.

[@AnadynTheCursed]

I would say that it's a bit of a reach though, we typically trace medical understanding of transness as "a thing" back to at least Institut für Sexualwissenschaft which is early 20th century and about as old as any modern psychology. That's why it's so well-spread and why countries like Iran or Russia have legal transition mechanisms, even if restrictive and medicalised.

[@clsisman]

@@AnadynTheCursed Yeah I think Baltimore was just saying that this transmedicalist idea of transness being the same as people with a gender dysphoria diagnosis is a much newer theory than the concept of third-gender or nonbinary identities.

[@AnadynTheCursed]

@@clsisman Sure, but before DSM-5 they just used "gender identity disorder" which would also not be diagnosed with a lot of people transmeds would call transtrenders. It might be that modern transmedicalism is actually very modern, idk, but the medicalisation itself is old enough so there would have to be a different argument to prove it.

[@theavengingnarwhal5581]

“I can sense the vibrations of you pain across the room, and I pity you, Tiffany Tumbles. I pity you, because you don’t think you’re real unless a man in a lab coat signs a prescription pad, and I can’t imagine what it must be like to have so little confidence in your own reality.” A raw ass line if I ever heard one.

[@andrewmalinowski6673]

I almost forgot about that line, in a strange way it has a very Buddhist sense of acceptance while at the same time seems to reflect the idea of transmedicalism (something I didn't know about until Natalie's "Canceling" video) in saying that you aren't valid without someone saying so.

[@andrewmalinowski6673]

@@maxncheese8548 I've considered that same thing for so long that it wasn't until I finally realized everything I'd questioned for over half my life on who and what I was finally clicked into place. I'd made a similar comment on Council of Geeks' "When KZbinrs Come Out" video about how 2020 seemed to be the year I realized my sexuality and gender

[@SassafrasTee7366]

A beautiful roast if I ever heard one

[@NeonCicada]

🤯

[@michaeld9682]

A quote fit for an asylum

[@marimbasolo8306]

Justine: "Oh come on, I'm not gay" *freeze frame* "Justine was extremely gay"

[@tdns01]

I think my takeaway is that it’s easier to understand what gender isn’t than it is what it is. As a straight, cis man, I really have never had much of a reason to question my gender or think about what makes me a man. I don’t need to explain it because society doesn’t ask me to. It’s illuminating to me to think this way because I can’t really explain why I’m a man. I mean I have male physiology and, I assume, genetics. If somehow I found out that my genetics were actually female, then would I think of myself as a woman? Definitely not. Cis people never have to justify themselves. We don’t need to understand what gender is or be able to justify who we are because there’s no consequence for failing to do so. If I lose a debate with someone and can’t properly explain why I’m a man, nothing really happens to me. I still get to go on existing as I do even though I have to no good arguments for it. Nobody will treat me differently. I can’t help but feel incredibly privileged.

[@charliegreen1737]

Yeah, and this is completely ok. The whole point of the video is that we can't yet justify what gender is in the first place with even a somewhat bulletproof theory so we should stop discriminating against people on the basis of overzealous skepticism, which is definitely something some people need to learn. Funnily enough this can be applied to many common issues in the world.

[@gothicgrandma4559]

Not actually true. I'm a cis woman and I'm accused of being masculine all the time. I have had to defend myself against that all my life.

[@bluemojav]

@@gothicgrandma4559 Accused of being masculine, or accused of being a man?

[@gothicgrandma4559]

@@bluemojav Being masculine. And I use the word "accused" because it really is an accusation from many people. Like it's something wrong with me. Funnily enough it's all the traits that I like most about myself that people seem to feel are unladylike or not womanly or masculine.

[@facelessdrone]

@@gothicgrandma4559 being masculine and being a man are completely different, you dont have to justify being a woman, just being masculine. Whereas for trans women they have to justify their entire experience and existence as a woman, not just their expression.

[@MollyWat]

Ok but Baltimore needs to be a recurring character so bad. I’d absolutely love to see more of them.

[@johnpjones182]

What would happen if Baltimore met Foppington?

[@superrinusblick4222]

the makeup probably takes far too long. that is probably the same for all the other people in the sketch too.

[@danopticon]

I can do depth and substance and all of that… but I _love_ that purple ombré!!

[@Notsoshady4891]

I've been coming back to this video for two years, for Baltimore.

[@Matematik-np9uy]

I love that Justine’s realisation that she doesn’t know how to reconcile being a lesbian with being a trans woman basically predicted Natalie’s own a few months later

[@ericagreene1579]

I can't believe how contrapoints created this masterpiece debating but also defending enby identities just to have a bunch of people cancel her for being ' - phobic'. I'm so sick of cancel culture.

[@no_peace]

She's wonderful fuck everybody

[@joecrollard9934]

She'll be fine. I bet a crazy video is coming.. She's just done with Twitter.

[@izseanz]

canceled

[@simonsharp9075]

@Rachel Fourie who ruined what? Here's a video on transgender with over 1 million views with largely positive comments. So what happened? On some other corner the Internet some foolish internetz drama happened and some peopke got caught up in it. So what? Move on with life.

[@amalnasser4118]

NM AT uhh I’m not too sure about that because a majority of friends have no issue with her criticizing hyper woke places..

[@poiuytqwertyify]

I first started questioning my gender identity in 2013, and figured it was very possible I could be nonbinary. I saw the kind of backlash "transtrenders" got and decided I was one of them, so I figured if I just ignored my dysphoria it would go away and I would become the cis female that people were telling me I was. Well, fast forward 6 years later, it did NOT go away, and now I'm still questioning my gender identity. I think if I could have seen a video like this back in the day (especially coming from a trans person I admire like you) I would have felt a lot more confident and wouldn't have fallen so hard into self hatred and isolation for so many years. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for making this video.

[@FanBaseJK]

Damn. Same. Relatable. Why are we the same person? I've come to the conclusion that I am trans but I'm still unsure how to label myself beyond that. Can't tell if I'm binary trans or nb. I lean towards the transmasculine label sometimes.

[@deathboi3998]

Same friend, same

[@WhatDoesEvilMean]

All that matters is know what sort of person you like to have sex with. The rest isn’t that important.

[@lukasvelazquez386]

thank you for not being a transtrender. i'm glad you held back your hatred and fear towards trans people who were standing in their power. thank you for not prying and begging into our vulnerable space for something we cannot give. thank you for taking yourself and your identity seriously and finding your own path. thank you for meeting the bare minimum of respect and not crossing that line. thank you for listening.

[@MolecularMachine]

The desperate struggle to open a popsicle with several-inch-long nails has brightened my day immensely.

[@tig3r417]

"Can you logically prove you love your children" Why is that the line that's blowing my mind the most...

[@existentialhangover1124]

That's actually been used against atheists for a long time for the existence of God. "Do you love your children? Prove it."

[@jdprettynails]

@@existentialhangover1124 *crucifies only child* There. Checkmate, creationists.

[@treypisano8923]

For all the logic retards in the comments let me just quote "When the inferior man hears of the Tao he laughs, if he did not laugh, it would not be Tao"

[@anthonywestbrook2155]

"Sure. Put me in a CT scan and show me pictures of my kids. Measure the chemicals in my blood when I'm around them. All of my experience comes from a physical brain/body. My love is a physical reality, not some abstract concept. It's part of the natural world."

[@Catervarii]

@@treypisano8923 Hmm.. I get the line now. Thanks for that :) Sometimes you just need living examples.

[@sideatsrocks]

Everytime Baltimore says "Tiffany Tumbles" my skin gets a little clearer

[@lilpizzy8696]

It was so annoying tho

[@Malisteen]

My crops are thriving

[@mandoline5583]

It means it's time to drink a shot...

[@booley]

Baltimore is like sentient ASMR

[@CannibalCommunist]

This was really helpful for me as a cis guy with some trans/nonbinary friends/family. Thanks so much for content like this. The deep dive here was incredibly helpful and insightful.

[@heffelumpphotoco]

“As for how many genders there are, y’know, I’m gonna take the centrist route and say 2 1/2.” 😂😂😂

[@Diego-zz1df]

Ah, the sound of progress! First time in ages we got the centrists to move to the left... ... Does that mean that the right will start saying there's only one gender?

[@xaviercockerton6989]

Fucking centrists with no conviction we need cetricide

[@eve36368]

@@Diego-zz1df why do you think they say the pay gap is over?

[@Diego-zz1df]

@@eve36368 Because they managed to eliminate wages for everyone?

[@eve36368]

@@Diego-zz1df omg thank you I'm laughing my ass off

[@DiscoGoesOn5067]

"My name is ~Baltimore~😊." "Baltimore what? 🤨🙄 " "😌✨️~Baltimore Maryland.~✨️😌" "I'm sorry, 😐 your name is _Baltimore Maryland???_ 🤨🤨" I rewatch this video constantly for this line delivery alone.

[@eowynsalvador6664]

Baltimore Maryland is my new favorite Contrapoints character. I really hope they start appearing in more videos

[@ScorpionViper1001]

They're like the new Tabby but with the political snobbery and lust for violence replaced with spaciness and general, wonderful, oddness as their primary character "flaws." I'll miss Tabby but Baltimore is gonna be fun :)

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

Baltimore is like mirror universe Ben Shapiro. As different in every way possible, and a sweet beard to boot, but still compelling.

[@roxiemcallister5808]

@@ScorpionViper1001 wait what happened to tabby???

[@ScorpionViper1001]

@@roxiemcallister5808 Well Contra says that she's gotten too unironically popular (she is a parody of far leftists who enjoy violent confrontation for its own sake, don't give a damn about optics, and are cliquish and judgmental of everyone who isn't in on all their knowledge. She has plenty of good traits too, and is much more principled than Justine, who can often sell their beliefs so much that they sell them out, but she's a flawed character) so she's hesitant to bring Tabby back.

[@user-us1yu8gx9s]

Their voice is so soothing

[@milascave2]

This video is proof that Natalie is NOT hostile to non-binaries.

[@AlexMint]

Is it though? She makes a lot of "flubs" for someone without weird feelings about us, including promoting the work of someone who doesn't want poor binary people to be able to transition, who harasses intersex people, and views confirming surgeries as "mutilation". At least on Twitter, Natalie is acting a lot more like TT as of late.

[@WeiYinChan]

Alex Mint he did a 20-mins voice over of a quote she chose in a 40 mins video not related to trans issue, stop reaching you are going to hurt your shoulder

[@AlexMint]

@@WeiYinChan if she didn't want us to think she was hostile, she shouldn't have touched Buck with a 39-and-a-half foot pole. He's known to be so fucking toxic, on the lap of transphobes.

[@AlexMint]

@Ego Amatium but she doesn't necessarily support "our cause". She's repeatedly been dismissive of nonbinary people and literally hasn't even mentioned intersex people except to handwave.

[@AlexMint]

@Ego Amatium actually no she hasn't just handwaved, she has appropriated intersex existence to serve her narrative while ignoring the real lives of actual intersex people.

[@ivanvperez]

"I HATE CATGIRLS BUT I ALSO LOVE THEM". This was Natalie, not Justine hahahaha, *shame* .

[@MissPoplarLeaf]

*bites into apple*

[@ivanvperez]

@@Mail-gz6gg lmaoooo

[@endymionargo]

The Japanese kabuki sound effect are so good. The nails killed me 😂

[@ChonosTack]

It’s rare to see western people don’t mix it up with Chinese sound😆

[@kaiyodei]

could be cultural appropriation though

[@pepetenpiku9953]

kabuki sounds are the best

[@markokerr6473]

I was having flashbacks to Shogun 2 the entire video

[@Shay45]

@@kaiyodei It's not

[@danb4282]

“Do you think you can purchase freedom through conformity?” Damn it Natalie, stop making me examine myself!

[@silver4831]

It's literally how society works though. We temper ourselves to fit in .

[@kstar1489]

@@silver4831 and society changes over time and is different between places on what the standards are for us to conform to. If those requirements are unnecessarily harmful and stifling we should change them, no?

[@silver4831]

@inacore Sure it's fucked but what can we do about it?

[@silver4831]

@@kstar1489 How? I can't just kick and scream at employers to change. At the end of the day I got to work and conform.

[@julio9898]

I cant believe i watched a 30 minute video of a woman arguing with herself

[@joelbruck66]

You loved it

[@LucianCorrvinus]

I know, its BRILLUANT!

[@mothermahapp5338]

imagine filming it💀

[@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat]

"If you didn't get a brain scan, how do you know your brain exists?" -Jackie 2019

[@numberoneweirdo8980]

I believe she actually says "If I didn't..." and "...how do I know my..." In my opinion, her using 1st person pronouns makes it funnier anyway.

[@Diego-zz1df]

Dunking on Dave Rubin is the biggest thrend of 2019.

[@yellownine]

His brain is still in recovery mode after taking in those high level important ideas

[@kari_sims]

that reminded me of that always sunny episode where mac convinces everyone that evolution is a lie simply because we've never actually seen anything and despite all that we would still believe in the words of scientists lol

[@nanialaina6689]

She’s a hero

[@Hexelevania]

It is honestly hard to express how beyond jealous i am/have been of the tremendous level of talent, accumen, eloquence and charisma that goes into every ContraPoints episode. It is genuinely awe inspiring.

[@briantyson6138]

I am writing the following using all my powers: No fucking shit.

[@kryldon8146]

I couldn’t have said it better myself! I love all of her videos, but this one in particular really just blew me away.

[@fujoshipeanut5074]

Don't forget money. She puts a lot of it into her sets and costumes

[@VanessaHolguin]

Contrapoints is a very talented person and I am in awe too and I can say that while completely disagreeing with virtually _ALL_ of her disgusting leftist views.

[@flyingskyward2153]

I love how Natalie keeps dragging centrists

[@fettyhabte6911]

It's about time someone did

[@misterkrabs2254]

@@fettyhabte6911 bruh u gay

[@spht9ng]

@@fettyhabte6911 Jreg is another great centrist-dragger as well.

[@fettyhabte6911]

@@spht9ng yeah I have seen him to bad he might be done with KZbin

[@mthgutz2287]

What are centrists?

[@dangreen3868]

"If my existence is a statement, then I think that says more about society than it does about me." THIS.

[@dangreen3868]

@Jake Dean ok? I'm not it bud. I'd really rather just be left alone by the majority of society. Being nonbinary doesn't automatically mean I want attention, in fact it's one of the things I'm most hesitant to bring up.

[@ChadButt]

@@dangreen3868 I can back that up. Generally I never want attention. I just buzzed my head a few days ago for too many reasons I can list here. One of those is gender dysphoria. I am still figuring it out but I do have some form of gender dysphoria and shaving my head helped release some of it. Now I feel like I'm being stared at constantly. It really is not fun but people assume we just want ettention. When really it's the opposite.

[@diddles3383]

@@ChadButt Holy shit, I'm also nonbinary (agender in particular) and I have been wanting to buzz my hair for MONTHS now since it's been making me so painfully dysphoric and it's just an overall pain to care for. Everytime I mention that I want to buzz it off once and for all to my mum (I never mention being NB as she is incredibly transphobia so I never expect her to accept me) and she always loses her shit, even going as far accusing me of wanting to be a boy (I was designated female at birth), when in reality I'm neither a boy or girl. I'm really scared to buzz it off, but I know that as soon as I do so, I'd feel so, so much better afterwards and I would actually feel a lot less dysphoric, but of course nobody in my family cares about what I want and what makes me happy, apart from my younger sister who is rather supportive.

[@diddles3383]

@jojofromtx No we fucking don't - nonbinary folks always have and always will exist, it's just that the term 'nonbinary' hasn't always existed and now that it does, it clicks with us nonbinary folks and feels right for us. In fact, a lot of us nonbinary folks simply want to live in peace, but of course that'll never happen with you cis folks foaming at the mouth and being the closed-minded fools that you are. The only way we are seeking attention is that we simply want acceptance, and for that to happen we must fight for our rights and unfortunately have to justify our existence at every turn because of folks like yourself. It's tiring and painful, to say the least.

[@LG1204]

@@diddles3383 There's no such thing as non-binary no matter how much you want to believe it. Yes, you do want some form of attention/approval which proves you're not right in the head since you're either male or female and yet in the 21st century you really want to feel special and be something in between. Emo teenagers were just going through the phase except majority of them got out of it in their early twenties and then there's you. Well, feel special all you want but that doesn't mean you're special in a good sense of the word. You're wackos for a reason. You made the roleplaying into a real thing now. If non-binary exists, then so do unicorns. Again, you're either male or female, not both. As much as you're trying to run away from it by deserving special treatment of sorts, the quicker it's going to catch up to you because most of humanity will remind you that you're attention seekers with a serious disorder, which is a FACT.

[@SEReid-rz5bm]

Natalie, you are the only KZbinr who makes me literally drop everything I'm doing, brew a new cup of coffee, grab a snack, and get comfy to watch your videos as soon as they pop up, and I will tell you why: I am always challenged, I am always entertained, I always laugh at least once, I sometimes get emotional, and I absolutely 100% always learn something. Thank you from a grateful forever-subscriber.

[@laiskapyykki]

Sally Reid I have cried watching these, I'm a finnish heterosexual man. I think I have a crush on her...

[@nathanc.1958]

I come back every few months to hear "I pity you, because you don't think you're real until a man in a lab coat signs a prescription pad. and I can't imagine what it must be like to have so little confidence in your own reality."

[@MelanieAnneAhern]

Your ability to capture both the rational and driving emotions behind the different viewpoints within the trans community is so impressive and admirable. And within this video especially, I really appreciate the lack of conclusion. It forces me to just kinda sit with it and mull this things for myself.

[@sena167]

that bothered me a little bit at first but you are right, it's better like this.

[@lenagarossi6997]

i feel like that isn't true. in the very start of the video ContraPoints staits/"showes" that dysphoria is based on feelings because there wasn't a brain scan involved. Now I was diagnosed with mental depression , whitch is genetic. I didn't need to take a brain scan I just had to go to a proffessional, have some sessions, talk to him and answer some questions and he was able to understand what was my problem and diagnose me. Would you say that mental/genetic depression is about just feelings? personally I woulden't not just because I live trought it and have to take anti-depressants but because I spoke to a proffesionals, I got informed, I made reaserch on the topic and and understood my problem.

[@sena167]

@@lenagarossi6997 I understand what you are saying but Natalie aka ContraPoints was not present in this video like she normally does, speaking directly to us. This time she uses what looks like a digital persona ( other comment pointed that could be the personification of the channel itself) to narrate. So all the points being made were through the different personas, they are not necessarily Natalie's opinion. I think that is what makes it more pen to interpretation. By the end the CyberNat says something like "in this vision ye have witnessed mortal fools upon the screen, fools who do not love themselves. unlike me who is perfect and not similar to them in any way". I don't think she is looking down on this characters and their opinion even if she disagrees.

[@DereBear]

Contra: Does an entire dialectic defending the Non Binary Experience Contra's NB "Fans" on twitter: Her pattern of NB erasure has GOT to STOP

[@mikelmontoya2965]

I don't know why we keep describing those people as her fans (I noticed you quoted it though), they despise her and go as far as even bullying and harassing her friends, demanding them to publicly disown her and join the cancel cult. I'm sure the majority of them aren't even NB either (not saying the ones who claim to be NB are lying, but if you go to Twitter you'll see most outraged people don't specify whether they are NB or not), they are just random people who are on a crusade of cancelling any left-wing public figure on the rise because it makes them feel as if they were the only pure, completely unproblematic, supreme woke people. Also it's fun to harass people, it's like a rush. But I think it's very likely one of the most damaging behaviors for the movement that left-wing people engage in.

[@weirdo337]

Okay no those are not fans at all, they’re the people that don’t like her. I am a nonbinary person and I really like her videos, whilst I maybe don’t always 100% agree with all she says I can at least say that she is 1000% not discrimating towards nonbinary people in any way, she’s a very accepting person and she definitely doesn’t have any bad views on nonbinary peopl

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa790]

I think the problem is that the nonbinary community is, ironically, extremely conforming. Enbys feels so much pressure against the possibility of discrimination, even between each other, that they decide to become extremist. You cannot tell anyone to gatekeep because if you question how someone is a nonbinary girl or an aroace lesbian, it's an attack on their identity. But you CAN gatekeep by canceling other people. I feel like a lot of enbys want subtle psychological thoughts explained. But most enbies are nervous babies and can't handle it. Since they have low self esteem and don't have a strong concept of self and are pressured to conform their opinions whilst trying to be their most authentic self in terms of sexuality and gender, you get people who follow Canceling culture and hate everyone who is decided to be hated against. I used to identify as genderfluid, and then genderqueer. Now because of the extremism and toxicity in the nonbinary community it's extending to the rest of the queer community, I'm back in the closet. Not because I'm afraid of cishets, but because I'm afraid of queer people. By the way the last nonbinary community I was in was accusing contrapoints of being anti-semitic. I'm ethnically Jewish. And quite frankly, I don't have time for people who can't understand that lizard people isn't always used as a Jewish slur. It's a white rich people are inhuman/alien joke, and I am so fucking done with a community that honestly thinks that incorrect etymology/culture analysis is always facts and a way to ruin someone who has actually helped get rid of homophobia and transphobia. Fuck those dumbasses.

[@JC-jd1us]

@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa790 it sounds like your in the wrong crowd and I'm sorry. My non binary friends never behaved like that. Then again my non binary friends are IRL not online which I'm very fortunate for.

[@cruelsummer3021]

@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa790 how can one be an aroace lesbian this is an honest question

[@garlicfries85]

"You are just talking in a whiny voice and saying you're me. That is not an argument." Lmao!

[@antivalidisme5669]

This! And so many other arguments/subjects. What a great video

[@solowyrm1614]

Hello! I just discovered your videos, and they have been absolutely revolutionary for me. I’m a trans/genderfluid/nonbinary/very confused human being at the moment, and you have address all of my concerns about the validity of my feelings and renewed my determination to keep exploring myself. From the bottom of my heart, thank you, and I sincerely hope you keep creating.

[@michigo_]

My friend said something that really opened my eyes, it’s not about “gender dysphoria” per say but “gender euphoria” what changed whether biological or social or combination that make you feel comfortable, it could be pronouns or hormones or a new name, regardless as long as it makes you feel happy it’s valid.

[@ilexdiapason]

yes yes yes

[@Noelciaaa]

ooooooohhh this makes sense!

[@edd1EroxPwDblah]

Nigga wut

[@HereComesPopoBawa]

I agree. What dysphoria says more about is "health" institutions that see everything through the lens of pathology.

[@fozziebean]

Yes! Validate people without dysphoria! Non-dysphoric trans people exist!

[@thesilentcomposer1278]

The kabuki music that plays whenever Baltimore talks never fails to send me to space

[@jamieschneider6176]

This must have been hell to edit, but this video is GOLD. Because she's not making fun of gender non confirming people... she's using them to help society understand, I'm only trans female. But I think this vid is marvelous.

[@heytowatch]

Watching ContraPoints is like having someone give you a nice warm cuddle, but like, intellectually. Thanks, Natalie!

[@freyadahlkvist8333]

Even ignoring the incredibly well thought out premise for this video can we just acknoledge the production value here?

[@TheCimbrianBull]

The gold standard of production value! 😀

[@communistcatcometh9892]

Bitch is swimming in shekels, just like Olly.

[@ScorpionViper1001]

@@communistcatcometh9892 *Rubs hands together* You're welcome.

[@pizzannn]

rewatching these videos, i am always confused as to where people get the idea that natalie doesn't think non-binary identities are valid. like, baltimore basically wins the argument??

[@lrose5522]

Exactly, I don't get it either. I think Baltimore is a bit of a caricature, but despite the woo-stuff they spout, they come off as the most confident in themselves and rational one--and we see that even though the centrist pronounces Tiffany the winner, the acceptance isn't true acceptance despite her trying to be the "rational one with science". And her vitriol towards Baltimore is revealed to be her own personal projections and disgust reactions rather than actually informed by science.

[@nolaray1062]

The current trend makes ppl so eager to cancel someone so they can feel morally superior that they fail to look past the surface to the actual substance. It’s pathetic.

[@KD-ou2np]

Yeah and the subsequent arguments give some very fantastic reasons and philosophy as to why its important to accept nonbinary identity, or atleast not reject anybodies identity.

[@radiationshepherd]

Yeah exactly

[@stealthis]

People who think Baltimore doesn't win the argument are anti-intellectualists, plain and simple. They don't actually value argument building, they are just drawn to whoever looks more confident and dramatic. They're the kind of people together around high school fights and cheer on the winter, even if the winner is the bully.

[@Enuvrack]

This is probably my favourite video by you to date and really makes me feel better about being nonbinary in a binary world. I don't expect people to understand my agender identity. I just expect them to treat me with kindness and compassion.

[@TheCimbrianBull]

That's a good point. I agree. Follow the golden rule.

[@Outplayedqt]

Enuvrack do u listen to linkin park

[@Enuvrack]

@@Outplayedqt I used to

[@pinotnoir4234]

@Eriko. Oy You only get killed if you do it on purpose 😘

[@Cami-ls1ki]

Ur a girl...

[@elliart7432]

"you're just saying you're me and talking in a whiny voice, that is not an argument" gee I wonder who that's supposed to be referencing, lmao

[@gamongames]

who?

[@elliart7432]

@@gamongames That's Kavin Garrah's trademark

[@gamongames]

I thought all obnoxious teen youtubers did that

[@hibikiotonokojishslvocalis7550]

@@gamongames They do, but especially Kalvin Garrah. He does this to make fun of AFAB trans people who are probably early in their transition and haven't been on testosterone for very long, so they still sound high-pitched and 'femme'. He calls it the "T-slur Voice", and it's fucking horrendous.

[@gamongames]

I thought that guy had become irrelevant since the Cringe video.

[@machip7630]

Natalie licking the popsicle in the background kills me "How do I know I have a brain?" "You probably don't." *I need beard glitter S T A T*

[@robinchesterfield42]

Funny thing is, since I like to dress up my nails for every holiday 'cos why not---the second I saw Jackie's hands in the video, I DIED laughing. 'Cos I currently have red, white and blue nails as well. ...only my "white" is actually "dear god don't look at it in direct July sunlight OW MY EYES" SILVER, 'cos I'm just that extra. XD

[@machip7630]

@@robinchesterfield42 im pretty sure everyone in america is extra in July. Last Sunday I saw a drag queen in a Denny's with a neon-ish red white and blue skin-tight dress on chowing down on a strawberry crepe. welcome to america. Our Moto being, "you can be who you really are but not really unless you're confident enough to overshadow glares of judgement from baby-boomers."

[@Maxislithium]

Natalie licking a popsicle does SOMETHING to me.

[@machip7630]

@@Maxislithium it *c h a n g e d m e*

[@Goblin4Coin]

Every time I watch this video Baltimore makes me feel seen. They are a non-binary stereotype? What is a non-binary stereotype? Be true to yourself whether that be a glitter beard with a dress, a full on suit, or a ball gown. I know one thing, I aspire to be Baltimore.

[@TheNitpickChick]

Right? Baltimore is almost my personal nonbinary goal, in terms of presentation! Androgynously feminine where if someone looks at me they don’t automatically know what gender I am, but know I’m beautiful to behold. lol Also I aspire to have their confidence and calm sense of self. Unapologetically themself, but still calm and patient even in the face of such visceral negativity. I love them. 😁

[@genderlessmonster4284]

BALTIMORE IS MY ROLE MODEL

[@vixii_spl]

Honestly. Enby stereotypes aren't really a thing that has taken hold yet, in my opinion, besides the concept of a semi-androgynous afab. And Baltimore isn't even that, they're amab, and amab enbies are already REALLY underrepresented.

[@twentyeight602]

I think Enby stereotypes are a bit weird cause isn't putting someone in a box like against it? Idk it's 4am rn sorry

[@jessolmstead6294]

Non binary stereotypes are either semi-andro teenage girls or k-pop boy band singers

[@laylette4017]

Can we all remember when Tiffany was a scared trans girl who liked making makeup videos and eating ribs on the floor?

[@ReplyGuy22345]

Jojo Quinoa we all remember that area. Then she watched Blaire White and it all went down hill

[@laylette4017]

Michael Merritt Can we get an F in the chat room?

[@RileyA.]

@@laylette4017 F

[@devinm6058]

@@laylette4017 Fuc

[@ilexdiapason]

@@laylette4017 f

[@inkblots9244]

I've watched over 8 years of gender identity and identity politics videos, and this video has been the only one to open my eyes to the other viewpoints. I don't know if that' says a lot about me or the video, but I have a bit of thinking to do.

[@LucianCorrvinus]

It means A. You have a open engaged and flexible.mind and B. She really is the shit, no?

[@thegreendank1]

It's because she's not whining or complaining. She's laying out points and counterpoints and leaves it up to you to take what you want from it. This was pretty good and that's coming from a 40yr old man's man but Im not the type to hate on someone for anything except poor character.

[@themoustachelady2937]

more you, and youtube being a bad platform for LGBTQ creators

[@thegreendank1]

@@themoustachelady2937 KZbin is bending over backwards for sjw's and gender channels so don't even try to play that. Sjw's are saying in plain speech to kill people and they aren't getting banned so stop complaining. Like I said I've had friends across all religious, political, sex, race, gender, sexual identity, etc. Spectrums but this new wave of cry babies turns me off from trying to be friends and kills any chance of me and many others of becoming an ally because in the end a person's character matters most and most of these sjw's are ugly inside. How do sjw's claim to be inclusive when they beat up a gay Asian??? Inclusion means EVERYONE is included, not just the people you think are worthy.

[@RandroidPrime]

@@thegreendank1 I think you'd enjoy her XOXO Festival talk. Give it a watch.

[@shethewriter]

“Delusion is what separates us from the animals.” I love this.

[@mildmayheadless5217]

'It's like a drunk feeling superior to a junkie' There's a truth there that everyone is missing

[@Disentropic1]

Maybe there is something deep here, but I've certainly missed it. What is it? The problem I see with this comparison is that being a drunk or junkie seems to me like a legitimately negative state of affairs, while having a given gender identity does not. This is not to say that drunks or junkies are inferior people, but that they would probably better enjoy a life in which they've overcome their addiction.

[@eclipsa8467]

@@Disentropic1 It's not about comparing issues between trans and people with addiction issues, but just afirming that trans people exclude other trans people and look down upon them like a drunk would to a junkie, despite the fact they have the same issues (trans people identify as a gender that is not their birth gender while drunks and junkies both suffer from adiction). It's not comparing the issues between these two types of people but rather about the way these people look at people like them.

[@lindencairns7365]

The drunk can feel superior to the junkie because society accepts alcohol but not certain other drugs. The drunk is reviled slightly less because he's not breaking the law, but that doesn't mean anyone supports what he's doing. In-fighting in the LGBT community is absurd because at the end of the day none of us are accepted even if there are slight degrees of less-accepted by the main stream. Anyone who feels superior is deluding themself

[@leitmotif7268]

Brynn Cairns 💯 you got it, nail on the head. Natalie’s vids have the best comment threads ever!

[@eclipsa8467]

@@lindencairns7365 you explained it better than me! exactly that

[@hyrum.kramer]

Me immediately clicking on the new contra video even though I should finish hanging this drywall

[@Pajitsu3]

me at work

[@TheCimbrianBull]

That drywall can hang itself! Contrapoints does not care about doggone drywalls! 😀

[@christopherlee9026]

Yea bud, I doubt that. You're probably a degenerate living in theyre mommies basement (all lefties are.)

[@lambbone8302]

Celestial Morning Light i KnOw YoU aRe BuT wHaT aM IIIIIIII

[@SweetCake8]

@@christopherlee9026 On top of having a shite insult to people on the left, you can't even use the correct grammar. Can YOU really be justified in calling others degenerates?

[@moxspncr8258]

Right when I begin questioning my gender and doubting my identity, Contra uploads a video on truscum. God save the Lobster Queen

[@TheCimbrianBull]

*Lobster Daddy approves of this message*

[@Montgomerygolfgator]

Good luck, we all root for you in this difficult time and accept you for whatever you feel.

[@merrittanimation7721]

The Nephropidae shall inherent the Earth.

[@bendym7001]

@Eriko. Oy There are only two genders: lobster and dragon-of-chaos

[@faiaflrt]

@@bendym7001 Sounds like the lobsters got the shaft on that one, so to speak.

[@kata1261]

"-how do I know I even have a brain?" "You probably don't, girl." CASUAL SAVAGE

[@diemore8014]

Baltimore Marylands Eyes have looked into the Abyss and the Abyss looked back and turned rainbow

[@NightWatchersPet]

Right? Baltimore was pretty fab

[@spejic1]

@@NightWatchersPet Yeah, Baltimore was really cool. I'd love to have a friend like that. I'd be all "Hey, Baltimore, blow my mind" and they'd be all "The poop emoji is just the ice cream emoji without the cone" and I'd be all "WOAH!" and they wouldn't smile but just tilt their head a bit to mean "I know, right?"

[@BettyAlexandriaPride]

I found your channel because you commented on another video about nb identity vs. Androgynous expression and I replied that I had a somewhat similar experience with my sexual (not romantic) orientation. Then, I noticed people talking about you as a content creator and decided to click on this. I'm 18 minutes in, at least a year late, and a new subbie. Very interesting content, I'm loving this so far.

[@fetamean]

I lose it every time she struggles to open the popsicles and all you hear is the sound of scrunching plastic. So damn funny.

[@susie8799]

as a non-binary person, I feel like Baltimore is an accurate representation of my identity

[@rencosbjd]

“I love cat girls! I hate cat girls, but I also love them!” I have never related to anyone more in my entire life.

[@ScorpionViper1001]

I too relate to Justine. I have also fallen for a catgirl and it's making me question my sexuality. Namely, how can I be lesbian for Catra if I'm a cishet dude?

[@wmdkitty]

@@ScorpionViper1001 Because EVERYBODY is gay for Catra.

[@kristavaillancourt6313]

Me too.

[@licenseddorc]

@@wmdkitty Would this be "Catrapoints"?

[@Lori_P89]

me: "problematic anime cat girls are just incel otaku fetish fuel and degrading to women!" also me: "But...Nekopara is getting an anime, nya...they're so cute, nya!"

[@ToriTheChicken]

You did an amazing job making this entertaining and funny without being embarrassing to watch. I got really drawn into the story, and really felt the characters. Great acting, great editing and great writing.

[@gothicdancecrumps9687]

I'm starting to realize that I may actually do the gender dysphoria projection on others... I did wonder why I acted like this towards people who didn't seem to put in that much effort or anything like that, I even mentioned it with my therapist. I'm actually really glad that I just learned this and it's my problem, I'm learning to be more accepting and helpful to anyone dealing with gender

[@Asdfgh-xr6qw]

28:08 I love how Justine casually takes off her nails after realizing she’s a lesbian.

[@freddiet.rowlet525]

Tiffany with those bright blue contacts...

[@andr0oS]

Needs more Tabby, always needs more Tabby.

[@freddiet.rowlet525]

@@andr0oS True. Everything needs more Tabby.

[@melonycarlson4093]

"2 genders 2 genders, attack helicopter, its maam" gold

[@bonthebunnycat667]

XD

[@HenriZwols]

Did Baltimore win the Eurovision song contest 5 years ago?

[@kamilkrupinski1793]

Their name was Conchita Wurst then. Wurst being "sausage" in german, I think...

[@BigHenFor]

From Austria

[@tamp2377]

Reminds me of božo vrećo. Check Him out

[@nathanshlap]

Did they try to harness the power of love in order to defeat Trump?

[@jamiefaux]

this is the video that pulled me out of transmedicalism, thank you contra❤️

[@HeWhoWalks42Miles]

The way Baltimore Maryland talks is somehow hypnotic.

[@BollocksUtwat]

I agree, Walker Percy.

[@gaelartemimarcel201]

@@BollocksUtwat I see what you did there.

[@karensmith9478]

I wonder if Baltimore Maryland likes the ravens

[@echeverria1674]

Am I the only one who kept getting ASMR from Baltimore talking?

[@crg1292]

its ok, Contrapoints. you can say Kalvin Garrah and Blaire White

[@msjkramey]

Lol I know Blaire White, but who's Kalvin Garrah and which one is his character?

[@nealeellis4455]

@@msjkramey kalvin garrah is the male version of blair white but worse

[@bobbyb9258]

@@msjkramey A transgender berniebro who's somehow harrassed by far left activists. Yep, you guys eat your own and as a rightist it is very fun to watch.

[@TheVoidIsBees]

@@bobbyb9258 Girlie what the hell are you on about

[@ThePotatoSapien]

@@bobbyb9258 lmao he’s a conservative

[@ChrisBrooks34]

Am I the only one concerned for the Dark Mother's liver?

[@TheCimbrianBull]

ROFL! 🤣 😂 😅

[@dumpstercub2902]

I hope Dark Mother is drinking water and going for regular checkups.

[@t.lindsay1081]

No. I hope she comes off the sauce too. ❤

[@vivi_stardust]

this might be my favorite contrapoints video. it's DEFINITELY the one i've revisited the most.

[@cheesebatto]

"I love catgirls! I hate catgirls but i also love them." Moooooooood.

[@Ben-sg5cq]

This deserves to be in the Library of Congress. If there's a Museum of Online Discourse, this is a main exhibit. Absolute masterpiece. THANK YOU NATALIE 💚

[@goatvomit]

I'm... Extremely moved by this video wow. I just came to terms with the fact that I'm non-binary only a couple weeks ago. I think I needed to see this. :)

[@dhakxbduwlamrgejw37392]

Congrats ❤

[@PrismGenesis]

Valid.

[@MrsBlack88]

Congratulations!!! I hope your identity is as joyful as it is freeing :)

[@geminiwolf0077]

@@JamesGallagher90 Fraudulent is the idea that you have any intelligence, besides being able to use a fancy long word that means a fraud or a fake, a disguise or a lie.

[@geminiwolf0077]

@@JamesGallagher90 1. Saying "I didn't choose this..." would be as if a cishet person say I didn't choose this, implying that there is something wrong with being cishet. 2. You're using the same arguments that homophobes and transphobes use against you. 3. My identity is not a choice. The label I use is. I knew I wasn't cis. I questioned my gender identity. I originally thought I was a trans woman, because I wanted(and still do want) to transition into a female appearing body. I never hated my body, but I was more than slightly uncomfortable with it, gender/sex wise. 4. Some intersex people have ambiguous genitalia or phenotypes that don't match genotypes. The fact that some people have a hard time telling whether an intersex person is a male or female, is also kind of what was like asking myself whether I was a man or a woman, but I felt like a mix/neither. I did not get put on this earth to "pass" or please cis/transphobic people. I change for myself, and live as myself, not for others, but for myself. Heck, I didn't even hear of the term 'non-binary' until I explained my thoughts and feelings. It is not my fault that transphobes are transphobic. And, as a non-binary person, I know the difference between gender identity, gender expression, sex, and gender, something a lot of transphobes fail to understand, so I don't know HOW I as a trans non-binary person makes other trans people look bad. Also, telling me that non-binary people just treat gender as a costume is very offensive towards me, because my identity is not a costume. Heck, I have people in the non-binary community saying I need to look androgynous to be non-binary, or be seen as non-binary. I didn't know cis women, cis men, trans women, trans men, and non-binary people had a certain look. Also, there are intersex people whose gender identity is non-binary. I don't really see how my existence makes trans people look bad when binary trans people advocate for us. I don't like my identity being victimized. Yeah, I didn't choose this identity, but I hate the idea that "it's not my fault I'm this way" as if there's something inherently bad about being trans or gay.

[@ashwalkerthisway7094]

Bingeing all of your videos for the second time in the last few years is very cleansing, life-affirming and all-around validating to my life experience

[@rainshanks4833]

What I’m most impressed by is the commitment to 3 different characters to the point of 3 separate manicures

[@Mgdr2011]

DEADASS

[@muuubiee]

script must've been on point before she started filing this, because it'd be a real bitch to go back to each character and refilm a line.

[@1334neko]

@damntheycaughtus I'm not 100% sure two nails count as a manicure ;P

[@crystalpope2451]

Rain Shanks - Agreed, it's impressive af.

[@bonniea8189]

@@1334neko haha truth. she could've just painted over two remaining nails.

[@friendlyninja5048]

"Do you think you can purchase acceptance through conformity? Because that is not freedom... That is simply adding another cell to the prison." "If my existence is a statement, I think that says more about society than it says about me." I think about these quotes a lot.

[@luisandrade2254]

Só you literally don’t understand what is behaving like a normal social person god why is the internet full of psychos

[@domimera]

Me too

[@jadec2734]

me too, ooh did we just start a movement! 😀😀

[@Woofwoof369]

Me forming arguments with myself in the shower just in case i have to win an argument fight

[@maeflower5108]

LOL, I'm glad I'm not the only one that does this.

[@opsoc777]

I've wasted SO much hot water in deep thought >

[@-junkered-5659]

God damn that’s relatable

[@alexmdr1739]

Lol I do the same thing.

[@AmyAberrant]

I’m glad it’s not just me doing this!

[@manamejeffbeezos]

It's a shame transtrender had to become an exclusionary term. We really missed out on the perfect word for a trans person who is just always on the ball nailing all the trends.

[@useroffline9999]

Trendercore is actually a thing now among young nonbinary tiktok people, among them the victims of kalvin garrah’s following. The (trans) kids are alright.

[@haggisa]

@@useroffline9999 Aww, that’s so nice to hear. It must take real strenght to reclaim a term created to mock, humiliatie and invalidate you, especially when you’re that young.

[@anitanielsen1061]

: O that’s a great usage!

[@Dark-fr3gk]

A trans person setting all the trends of new forms of gender performances!

[@meredythwithay5187]

Everybody's gangsta till the non binary forest spirit with a glitter beard starts speaking in riddles

[@spirithawk6580]

Then they're just in love

[@randibrown2295]

*looks around* Dionysus?

[@thatONEmachine]

That was so fucking stupid...

[@Someguysayingsomething]

Pan?????

[@MEME-fd1nf]

randi brown LETS GET MISCHEVIOUS AND POLYAMOROUS. WINE AND WOMEN AND-

[@bpblitz]

"Natalie is enbyphobic! Just look at this video!" You mean the one where she depicts the enbyphobic person as the antagonist?

[@xKingsQueens]

@@rubyNuva this james person has been replying to every comment stating that Tiffany is the only person who makes sense lol

[@cxyj4y]

She said everyone is valid what do you mean

[@cantthinkofaname5046]

@@cxyj4yvalid in gender identity, not politics. Tiffany is unquestionably wrong, her arguments come from internalized transphobia, she wants to fit in, to the point where she becomes a mouthpiece for the society that actively makes her life harder

[@average-neco-arc-enjoyer]

Well technically since she is the main character she is the protagonist; just not a good one.

[@imogenimagine1328]

super super late reply but as an nb as soon as Baltimore started talking I was like ‘I want to be as iconic as this person’ like I love them SO much

[@MissMokate]

"tumblr is twice as old as the first diagnosis of gender dysphoria" is not something I was ever ready to hear

[@suchnothing]

I mean, psychology as a field of study barely existed before WWI, and didnt exist at all before the 1870s.

[@adastra553]

If it makes you feel any better, Magnus Hirschfeld recognised “Transsexualismus” back in 1923 And even then, his medical descriptions of trans people go back to 1910 (and further back) when he coined the term “Transvestitismus” (though he felt the term was improper to describe trans people as he felt that clothing was only an outward performance reflecting internal psychology, leading to the aforementioned “Transsexualismus” in 1923)

[@spiderqueen601]

Gender dysphoria was in the DSM and diagnosed before the first web site, in the 1980s.

[@SuicidelG]

If it makes you feel better, psychology is a product of the creation of individualism when everyone started going crazy because we thought we wern't actually part of a society.

[@gFamWeb]

She's actually being pretty dishonest with that line. While it's true that the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" is new as of 2013, it used to be called "gender identity disorder", which was introduced in 1980. So no... it's not accurate.

[@heathenpotato]

Baltimore Maryland has definitely been to the 5th dimension

[@jaegs1935]

The DMT is strong with them

[@decepticonne]

when the mooooooon is in the seventh houuuuuuuse

[@choccymilk9821]

As a person who lives next to Baltimore, I can confirm. It disappeared a little while ago and we’ve just been pretending it still exists and everything is fine, while it is really not

[@EeveelutionForest]

@@choccymilk9821 As a person who lives _in_ Baltimore, I can confirm

[@skylargray2880]

Use to live there. Thankfully I moved

[@leorfink1]

I used to live as a trans non-binary person and then a year and half later I went back to living as a man. I often think twice about telling people this because I don't what my story to be appropriated into queerphobic bullshit. Telling me "I'm glad you're over that phase" why are you glad? Would it have been so bad if I truly where trans queer? "This is what the media makes people do" no one made me do anything. I found that period extremely helpful and important in informing and building the man I am today. I'm a much better and happier man for exploring what else I can be and truly choosing manhood. I started building for my self a model of manhood that is kind and gentle and suits me much better then the toxic mess I was before. I think there are as many genders as there are people but that trans people and queer people should be seen as a social class that deserves rights and dignity.

[@leorfink1]

@Nick thank you for your lovely comment.

[@ghostboy3994]

so happy you’ve found yourself!! good for you for exploring as well. 💖

[@ultimatequeenofdeath666]

"there are as many genders as there are people" i love that so much, you don't even know. we all experience gender separately in some capacity but we also have solidarity with each other because it's not a completely isolated experience, it's when power structures force us into little boxes that we feel the cold weight of gender, but it doesn't have to be that way, your experienced shaped the person you are today and that is beautiful and i hope that things only get better from here, progress is tough but it's inevitable if we keep moving forward 😊

[@leorfink1]

@@ultimatequeenofdeath666 thank you for your kind words

[@lintecassidy206]

>I think there are as many genders as there are people but that trans people and queer people should be seen as a social class that deserves rights and dignity. I think that's the best formulation of this idea that I've seen, that goes so hard.

[@StayUpChasingStars]

youtube froze for a quick sec on the caption of "you're just an insecure, frightened little queer" and I have never felt so subtlely targeted in my life

[@AwkwardKyle]

Ooh that's some SHODAN in the algorithm

[@GyroCoder]

Mood

[@Raziel078]

"Your flesh is an insult to the perfection of the digital."

[@ovirgulino]

I feel very attacked

[@QuartzIsAnOxide]

"I pity you, because you don't think you're real unless a man in a lab coat signs a prescription pad, and I can't imagine what it's like to have so little confidence in your own reality." Ok you didn't have to call me out like that.