Travis Stevens talks about the differences between judo and jiujitsu

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[@rkchen]

I agree with his comments. I trained judo for 10 years and became a black belt, but injuries have caught up to me. Now I train mostly BJJ because it's easier on the body. But the intensity from judo has helped me transition well into BJJ and helped me push the pace in my training. I just wish the BJJ community was as open to cross training at different schools as the judo community. Judo believes in letting the individual become the best, so train anywhere that will make your judo better, and we welcomed outside people to train with us because we could learn from them. I would train at 3 different judo schools during competition time, and that was common. BJJ has more pride in their school, so you only train with members of your organization. And everyone wears a team gi from their BJJ school and stays within their team to train. I wish there was more openness with BJJ. It would advance grappling a lot.

[@suokurppa752]

Our bjj gym allows you to wear whatever gi you want, train wherever you want. In fact the only place i know that does those things you mentioned are gracie schools.

[@rkchen]

@@suokurppa752 unfortunately I've seen it a lot in other schools where I live. Most of the time they're open for people to train at other places if it's within their system or your coach has a relationship with those coaches. I've seen it with Gracie's for sure being really territorial, but other schools are also very territorial. Usually students go to other schools secretly. It's a lot better now than before, though, and hopefully it gets even more free so there's more cross training.

[@FR-ty5vn]

Suokurppa I train under a Royce Gracie black belt, wear Gi’s with and without school patches, and have never heard of any restrictions regarding where I can train.

[@rkchen]

​@Blanket on my chair I started Judo when I was 21 and was able to become a black belt, but it took about 9 years for me. It took me a while, but you can definitely get good at judo. Lots of people start as an adult, and 22 years old is a good time to start.

[@lewisb85]

Look at ray stevens in england, British Olympic Judoka and Black belt under roger gracie in BJJ has pretty much set up his dojo so his students can cross train. He actively encourages it.

[@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511]

The ending is the kicker

[@theperfectambiance]

Right??? Lol! Love that.

[@thejoxter6315]

I see what you’ve done there… Even tho there’s no kicking…

[@phildunn86]

Typical IJF!

[@arbur4746]

I used to train in Judo back in Georgia(country) and it helped me many times in life, great SPORT!

[@napalminthemorning8309]

I wrestled here in the States and in college I took a BJJ class with a Georgian Judo black belt who was fun as hell to roll with. You guys are tough!

[@sandro7709]

we are the best at judo

[@tkral94]

I started Judo at my 6 years of age and focused on it for the next 6 years. Judo helped me survive many bad situations during my school time. It helped me humble bullies 3 classes above me. It helped me deal with bullies head taller than me, it helped me deal with jerks at night clubs. Definitely worth learning guys. If i could learn it and train it as a kid, so can you during your teenage or adult years, don't be p*ssy. It's for ur own good! If you like it, go for it!

[@andreilukyanov4286]

Good post bro. Same same. If you train it seriously like 3 times a week minimum, some untrained rando between your hands is just a pillow dummy, clueless about what to do.

[@KPho150]

"So now we just don't ask anymore" I love this fucking guy.

[@SpeakNaturalEnglish]

Train both guys! Find a balance. Longevity is important. Have fixed days for each discipline. They are from the same family.

[@lewisb85]

I do i have found my confidence on the mat in respect of taking takedowns and explositivity has gone up 100 per cent over the six months ive been cross training.

[@Kitajima2]

@@lewisb85 Hell yes man. I did some BJJ, but I grew up doing judo. Looking to maybe get back to cross-training in BJJ. Ngl though, I think my first loves will always be judo and basketball. There is something so satisfying about throwing people.

[@Kitajima2]

@The Wolf 😂

[@nstv23]

Two branches from the same tree train both

[@rallyrockss]

Best comment of the year

[@davidtice4972]

I trained in Judo for years and then in 1996 started training in Brazilian Jui-Jitsu. I thought wow this is great all on the ground and I don't have to take the beating of being thrown.

[@krane15]

You mean qualify?

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

@@krane15 what

[@anti1training]

@@krane15 what?

[@SeanWinters]

@@krane15 what?

[@nocap1508]

@@krane15 what?

[@Taekwon-Brando]

I was hip-tossed by a good judoka once, NEVER AGAIN. Knocked the wind right outta me 💨

[@adamwarlock8304]

Love the conclusion ... "now, we don't ask anymore" LOOOOL ... damn right

[@holidayrap]

Judo is amazing and would be more amazing to learn if the standard mats were like bed mattresses to minimize fall injuries. Yes I'm serious.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

These bots... stop ruining reply sections pls

[@krazed0451]

Piffle, I like the straw mats just fine :-)

[@SeanWinters]

Bro, no, absolutely not. Very few people take "fall damage", most damage caused is by joint destruction, such as locked out knees and rolled ankles. If you don't know how to take a fall, you should not be doing rondori.

[@holidayrap]

@@SeanWinters Your opinion. I respect yours I hope you respect mine.

[@SeanWinters]

@@holidayrap Care to elaborate?

[@xxPanteraxxx]

Judoka's in my experience are allot stronger. Had the chance to train with a former French Olympian and got absolutely smashed.

[@andresmiguel2573]

Any Olympian from any sport will smash you!

[@xxPanteraxxx]

@@andresmiguel2573 Can't argue with that.

[@marcomonaldi9058]

Train with an ADCC champion and the result will be the exact same

[@quickstep2408]

​@@marcomonaldi9058 lol it wouldn't. olympic level conditioning and competition is far more superior to the conditioning and competition mindset of adcc competitors. it's night and day smdh

[@marcomonaldi9058]

@@quickstep2408 how come Judo top athletes get always crushed in Grappling competitions then? Do you really see a pure Judoka beating Craig Jones, Gordon Ryan, Tonon, Kron Gracie etc. ?

[@BlueTitanHawaii]

I started off in judo 11 years old then jiu jitsu at 25. Judo involves bigger more power based movements and gave me advantages vs bjj guys when starting bjj. Bjj has its advantages in longer drawn out conflicts. Overall judo can get a guy off you in the streets better than bjj as bjj requires you to be vulnerable to get into it such as on your back. First 60 seconds of a sreet fight you bjj will need to be high level to avoid damage from an all out assault if on your back.

[@shemshem9998]

what I always say with the BJJ and judo debate on defence. if you need your BJJ, you have already fucked up, you never want to go to BJJ, because that means you are on the ground already, where you can't run, get curb stomped in the head by another guy, etc. the best-case scenario in any fight, is with you standing and the other guy on the floor, which is the exact goal of judo (well comp bends that a bit, but still)

[@jackjack4412]

So would judo be better than wrestling in this aspect? Because with wrestling takedowns, you're going down to the ground with the other guy.

[@ytname18]

@@jackjack4412 from my uninformed opinion both would be good in different ways. What you say about going down with the takedown in wrestling might be true. Judo might also be more suitable against a stronger opponent. But, judo is more accustomed to someone with solid clothes. Such as a jacket. With regards to ground, judo has the advantage of more elaborate groundwork from a self defence standpoint plus teaching submissions. However, some people argue that you shouldn't even be doing that stuff on the streets and just 'wrestle your way up'. I think for most people you're probably not going to be in that many fights anyway so just pick a more or less effective martial art that you like. If I was living in an environment with lots of violence (as a guy bigger than most) and I had to choose between the two I might go for wrestling, because you can slam people with it and because of the explosiveness it creates in it's athletes.

[@stur6722]

@@shemshem9998 You have been training sport jujitsu only. Look around at other academics. There are plenty of standing techniques in jujitsu. And they include judo techniques.

[@shemshem9998]

@@stur6722 nope, I did technical bjj, as in perfecting everybosikble technique and not just the stuff thst would work in comp, I've done bjj in a ufc gym, and gracy bjj. And I've tried out in a lot of different dojos, but none had propper tske down guys, now and then you would get a guy who did some wrestling on the side but you would just headlock them in a second. I've only met a hand full that could actually stand a chance against me in standing game, and most of them where cross training different martial arts. They just don't focus on it enough, because think of every bjj match, half of them start with the guy who is worse at standing going straight to guard, or even if they actuaky go for it they trip each other in the first 5 seconds, and then continue the other 2:55 on the ground. No single bjj school has a true focus on take downs. I know brown belt bjj guys who prefer to stay guard rather than standing, and I'm only a blue belt in judo. There isn't enough of a focus on standing in any form of bjj

[@quickstep2408]

love this man. straight shooter

[@kerpal321]

i first tried judo but found it very difficult and was very afraid of being thrown or injuring my knee, jiu jitsu was easier for me to learn and felt much safer to practice, i liked the slower pace

[@muayboran6111]

You get used to it…. I fucked my back up trying not to lose an ippon but it’s up the next day stretch it out, massage, train whatever you can and a month later back to training. Don’t know how to explain it whether it’s the muscle strength preventing you from serious permanent injury or people recover faster because they train smart when injured. I will say though, if you’re gonna fall just fall with the throw… get up and train the mext day

[@slaffkas]

You learn how to fall safely. And I would like to encourage to learn judo falls. This will make your BJJ much safer.

[@ytname18]

I think you should learn how to fall and be a bit comfortable doing that before doing any rough sparring

[@user-tb1is1kk7t]

Lovely interview ❤

[@zambimaru]

The problem I've had with training Judo is you're more likely to get injured. I injured my ankle and arm and it made it hard to do my day job.

[@krane15]

A person that is thrown 10 time/day is twice as likely to get an injury than someone that is thrown 5 times/days. That's just the odds, not an inherent flaw to the sport.

[@krane15]

@@emperorjimmu9941 If you ride a bike you're going to fall at some point. Judo is a contact sport so injuries are inevitable.

[@channi58]

I suffered many judo injuries too many to name. Not easy thing to do. In the real world. That's why people who continue are animals, I chuckle when I hear pepople talk about injuries in bjj when they train mostly on the ground.

[@krane15]

@@channi58 One reason why Judo's first and foremost lesson is learning how to fall.

[@ronin2167]

That wasn't my experience. I did BJJ for a year and was hurt most of the time. It's why I quit. The 3rd lesson wound up with a huge bruise on the inside of my leg after a blue belt passed my guard and intentionally hurt me. I have done Judo for over 10 years and have never been hurt other than my back from time to time and that's just me getting old. We had a BJJ guy come and train with us for awhile and he wound up breaking one of the guys ankle because he was an asshole. He couldn't win without some sort of dirty trick. Even against my son who was a green belt at the time and he supposedly had higher rank in BJJ and my son beat his ass. He got kicked out after breaking the guys ankle. Ankle locks aren't allowed in Judo.

[@PinoCoppolaBoxkeller]

very interstingl interview without lot of empty talk. I am a boxer and I love watching Judo etc. What Travis says about the kids that Judo is good start for any sportactivitys I agree completly...If parents ask me if I wanna train there kids, I always say to start with Judo becaus of respect, good body awarness etc. and later on boxing what ever ones enjoyes for training. Also the other topics what he mentioned..realy great honest and straight. I dont know him as a fighter yet, but his spirit is of a real martial artist without blowing up himself...thanks we need more interviews like that in youtube.

[@konstantinkascadeur8084]

Judo provides a sense of combat, of balance, entering, exiting, BOXING IN CLINCH, instinctive, naturally as well as power throughout the body . Right? .

[@PinoCoppolaBoxkeller]

@konstantinkascadeur8084 what ever you do for a good bodyawerness helps if you can transmit it to another martial art, yes clinching can help but with big gloves you can't grab and throw, but for balance and reading the opponent. Boxing and judo requires different skills but the are great as well as bjj. For me boxing is softer on the body. Most important enjoy what you do

[@m5a1stuart83]

Judo is good for basic grappling, added it with BJJ n Wrestling, your kids will be well rounded. I taught my son Classic Judo, which mean he also learn how to slam, ankle pick, double legs, and so on. Anything possible for take down. In next 4 years, I will put them into BJJ Class so they can be well rounded grappler.

[@bodyzoasispersonaltraining9186]

Judo also has most of the base of ju jitus technique as well. Judo is the abuelo of ju jitsu..and the great grandparent was the og jujitsu.

[@billywalendom]

so so good

[@harima6678]

Sean Strickland is so formal on this video

[@patrickbchun]

I do both and I struggle sometimes to move properly the next day. lol

[@rollsgracie268]

Seol.gio:If your goal is to be a world champion then you have no choice but to abuse your body. And if your goal is not to be the best in the world and competitive on that circuit to make $1 million some how than what could you possibly be thinking If your goal is longevity momentum through life to be still rolling in active and healthy on a soft level when you’re 60 70 80 90then yeah you’re making a big mistake If you’re sore the next day sale you should always train to the point where you’ll be OK and your energy will be good the next day and you feel like training the next day that you’re trying to make millions of dollars - body do you like James Bond be smart

[@patrickbchun]

@@rollsgracie268 i understand what you're saying. at 47 years of age for me, I am simply staying in shape and making sure i am still able to defend myself properly if the need arises. There ae no championships to chase for me personally. My respect to those who are training for titles. All I am saying is personally, my body takes much longer to recover in my 40s than it did in my 20s.

[@christiannewman3525]

Omg I only took judo for a couple months and my dad stopped paying for it so I miss it so much

[@joseichoshow9846]

I was the opposite my dad was paying for bjj. I miss it. But my dad told me if you pay for it you can go. In back of my head I always want to go back. I told myself it always there for me to go back. Then my professor died jory malone. 10 years has gone by so now. I really wanted to go back. I was in a relationship with girl. We broke up. I was busy trying to make that work. So now it 12year gone by. So I finally came back after my 12 year hiatus. What I am trying to say if really want judo you can find your way. I had find my way with bjj. There both great martial arts

[@turntablesrockmyworld9315]

I agree with most of what he said. And I have used BJJ twice in my life to keep me safe from violence. For context I trained Judo recreationally in the 1980s and early 90s and along with Karate and some boxing starting earlier . BJJ was a game-changer and I started training late 1993-ish. Much easier on the body and because it was systematised and on was taught to be relaxed it allowed me to submit good Judo black belts as a white belt, or at least be able to go the distance (generally I used wrestling takedowns which worked well against judoka not used to single leg and double leg attacks, etc.) The arc of application and timing in Judo can be years and in BJJ it was weeks. Judo also cause a couple physical problems with limit my movements today. Now I am old, but for the general population, BJJ is much better, easier to learn, easier on the body (depending on training), and much more effective along with some basic takedowns and clinch work against punching. It is also more enjoyable.

[@Supermomo2007]

For me judo is more effective than bjj

[@konstantinkascadeur8084]

What you say seems very reasonable to me, although I am sorry that there are some sensei who do not prioritize health and safety (it is very important to practice in dojos and with senseis entitled with their corresponding authorization and legal license in force), I cannot avoid the desire that Brazilian Judo occupies the most appropriate position (to my short understanding) of Judo with its "personality" with the objective and purpose of its irrepressible and fabulous ne-waza , the Ministry of Tourism, the federation and the government of Brazil would gain equal or greater fame that presenting it as if Jiu Jitsu did not exist and had been invented in Brazil, inducing the whole world to call Brazilian Judo, not even Brazil Jiu Jitsu, but just only Jiu Jitsu, exposing the unwary who fall seduced by this manipulation of false patriotism , exposing them to accusations of liars, resentful hicks, disloyal impostors, etc. All of this would be unfair and very unfortunate because the Brazilians are an immense, dear treasure for humanity and their athletes are fantastic (just like fantastic movies) capable of leaving perplexed greatest maestr@s of maestr@s.

[@judoyodan]

Would have been great to have a few words from the ONLY (two time) OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST IN JUDO FROM THE UNITED STATES that he was surfing with.

[@junon]

Was that first clip filmed in Hawaii?

[@griffin2599]

Is that Kayla at the beginning of the video?

[@raphaelgracia551]

Definitely looks like her.

[@xxPanteraxxx]

Yeah I think it was. You can tell by her nose lol.

[@ianj4389]

So basically as a sports organization Judo controls an athlete's life by telling them they cannot compete in other combat sports.

[@tomg172]

This is totally wrong. Permission to compete in other styles of grappling applies only to world ranked athletes. I have practised at Judo, karate and Aikido with no problems. I was not an internationally ranked judoka.

[@y200sub]

It would be very interresting to see olympic level judokas compete at adcc or worlds though.

[@ianj4389]

@@tomg172 You are correct. This is what I meant within the context of the video but I should have been more specific.

[@gaspariniernes6616]

BJJ is the retired art when your wrestling and Judo days are behind you then you move to BJJ.

[@topnotchpinas4244]

Judo is hard there was 80plus white belts in my class 2008 Sydney Olympic gym team zenbu after 3 months only 7 out of the 80 ...73 quit only 7 pass white belt learing how to break fall is the hardest part of judo....ukemi

[@MrVyrtuoso]

One awesome thing about Judo is feet go flying in the air! Ippon!

[@makingkidsgreatagain3043]

The judoka kimura trained heavily in wrestling and used it in his judo. So I find it interesting that judo, at the highest of levels, is pulling this “you can’t cross train (compete) in other styles” thing

[@raphaelgracia551]

I train in both, although my main sport is judo. There's something about BJJ that you didn't mention: injuries. In judo, you take big beatings, it can hurt a lot, even break a bone sometimes. But in BJJ, injuries come from damaging your body when resisting too much, putting too much strength. These injuries can last for ever and damage your body long term, especially the neck. Most adults don't realise that and prefer to train BJJ, because it's less cardio and less scary than judo. But long term... Ouch!

[@FR-ty5vn]

Raphaël Gracia I train Jiu Jitsu: leave your ego at the door - tap early & tap often.

[@raphaelgracia551]

​@@FR-ty5vn It's (mostly) not a question of ego. You can't tap out the second someone slightly presses the back of your neck. You are forced to resist a little, otherwise you're tapping out all the time, and there's no jujitsu happening.

[@FR-ty5vn]

Raphaël Gracia what can I say, I see it differently - with good training partners who respect your tap, you can avoid most injuries but it’s a contact art/sport so there’s always that risk.

[@raphaelgracia551]

@@FR-ty5vn I am not talking about the effects of rolling with egomaniac partners who put too much strength and want to win all the time. I am talking about the long term effects of BJJ, even with regular partners. Even with them, you need to put strength and resist. My neck gets blocked very often, and I am, by far, not the only one

[@FR-ty5vn]

Raphaël Gracia I’ve been rolling 4 years and have had pulled muscles, few bumps, bruises, cuts, and hyper-extended joints, but that’s it. And we are smashing each other, but as you progress it’s technique over muscle. Knock on wood - I’ve had more serious injuries from Taekwondo, Kindai Ryu Jiu Jitsu, and soccer (Not from Hapkido or boxing but wasn’t competing).

[@emmanuelawosusi2365]

Can I do both and compete in tournaments .

[@djharto4917]

Bjj guys don’t like being thrown ! That’s the real difference

[@love2fight205]

Nope! Me and a buddy of mine stayed half an hour after BJJ class Judo throwing the shit out of each other to get better at takedowns, I loved it. We were shaking the dust off the walls and knocking the air out of our lungs with every throw, 10/10 would recommend.

[@djharto4917]

You must be the exception to the rule so.

[@splint3048]

They don't like it because they aren't good at break falls. The main difference is that judo is predominantly stand up and Jiu Jitsu is predominantly ground work. I say learn both arts and throw in some striking to be a well rounded fighter.

[@muaythaikicks3418]

Free style wrestling throw vs judo throws??? What do you guys think???-

[@griffin2599]

@david Peterson Depends on where you train. My instructor is Japanese and he is an old school teacher. So much of Judo Newaza or submission grappling is in BJJ. Bjj grappling came from Judo. Anyways, Judo is both submission grappling and standup/throwing. Bjj is primarily ground.

[@nuckythompson8041]

Why would the IJF not allow members to compete in other tournaments?

[@ianj4389]

To not have their world champions risk losing to other combat sports competitors that don't represent judo.

[@krazed0451]

@@ianj4389 They also don't want a generally fairly gentle sport conflated with more visceral fight sports such as MMA. Even if a judoka is winning, they consider it as Besmirching the general ethos of judo "the gentle way".

[@johnillingworth30]

@@ianj4389 Nah that is not the reason why.

[@lslewis]

Had rewatch a few times due to distracting cutaways to "Ms Thicc" in the video lol.

[@patrickwalsh5153]

I would also add that unlike BJJ, Judo actually publishes recommendations for promotion. If you compete in X number of tournaments and win X number of matches against higher belts, you are supposed to get promoted. In BJJ, it is much more arbitrary and subject to politics.

[@Vitulli1970]

Thank you for this comment.

[@danniragu7194]

I do both like both are need for gi no wrestling base i do that too and strike osss

[@user-tb1is1kk7t]

Respect from Iranian wrestler ❤

[@kennethrogers1129]

Judo!! Plus a striking sport like Taekwondo (old school karate style ) and Hapkido...comprehensive martial arts

[@me9497]

One grappling art + one hard sparring striking = deadly

[@blackbeard1988]

@@me9497 I started Muay Thai about a month back. Thinking about supplementing with Judo.

[@kless001]

Hapkido🤣 Thought it died out by now. We had a hapkido place in a strip mall in town. Handed my obese cousin a blackbelt.

[@Dudethingy563]

yeh not those striking sports lol

[@evilkhamzat]

@@Dudethingy563 tell that to Anthony Pettis

[@batrocbjj7866]

Smart and wise talking Sir, respect

[@muaythaikicks3418]

Wrestling throws vs judo throws what do you think????

[@Thinkingman69]

Well first of it should be said that there is a substantial amount of overlapping techniques between the two. I think Wrestling can be a little bit more incremental at times, what I mean is that often in wrestling, you gradually work your way from a standing position to a ground position whereas in Judo this doesn't really happen and hence it seems to be the more explosive one of the two. Both are equally effective for different reasons and situations, I think wrestling takedowns might be a bit easier to pick up in a short amount of time and they are relatively low risk high reward whereas Judo throws are rather high risk high reward, they tend to be more impactful in Judo, but you often sacrifice your back when throwing, both approaches have their advantages and disadvantages.

[@krane15]

Judo sets the standard. Nothing else comes close.

[@jamese4117]

Krane you seem to want to just wind people up

[@krane15]

@@jamese4117 What I want, is for people to look at things objectively. Hopefully now, YOU to will look at both sides before coming to a conclusion. You missed this one by a mile

[@Bluesachwill]

@Krane your view isn't objective at all. You are biased to Judo and think you are the forefather of it. Grow up

[@CloveCoast]

It seems like BJJ has way more bone popping/cracking than Judo could ever have. Judo is more bruising, but doesn’t seem like as many long-term injuries?

[@nathantheophilus4856]

No because most of the bone poppping involved comes from submissions you can tap out from. A lot of bjj injuries are actually from doing judo-esque movements like certain takedowns and stuff. Its the heavy impact of falling that really takes a toll on the body which is why travis says most adults with like, a day job are probably better suited to take bjj if they have no aspirstions to become like, super international judo athlete or something

[@ryanboyle1241]

How old is too old for learning judo? I am a middle aged man who wants to get in shape and learn some technique.

[@junioravila853]

If you're dying in a week, thats too late to learn judo. If you're not in that situation, then you're ok to learn it.

[@no-gracias9863]

Putin does judo you can handle it

[@JoseAlvarez-dl3hm]

@@no-gracias9863 but Putin rides bears for fun. He is toughness incarnated, lol.

[@Jamie-zs8ok]

@Krane what?

[@alvinnguyen702]

Judo take down to ground Jiu Jitsu fighting on the ground Good to learn both

[@brians132]

Judo is also fighting on the ground! Holddowns, turnovers, armlocks and strangles.

[@y200sub]

@@brians132 yes but judo's newaza is not as developped as bjj's so learning both arts would be very beneficial.

[@brians132]

@@y200sub From what I've seen, I'm not sure that's true. I have practiced with both and BJJ seems to rely on doing everything from guard position. Judo seems to be more versatile. If you add up the amount of turnovers, hold-downs, armlocks and strangles in judo I suspect there are more techniques in total. BJJ seems more useful in certain circumstances but without trying it, I couldn't say for sure.

[@y200sub]

@@brians132 Not saying you are wrong, judo's ground game is faster due to the rules that is for sure, and it is awsome especially at the top level, but having more techniques than bjj? I don't think so, take for instance foot locks, they exist in judo but they are not as developped as in bjj because they are part of the forbiden techniques. By the way, you are right, a lot of bjj guys are happy guard pullers especially the ones that train in sport oriented schools, traditional schools usually favor top position for obvious reasons

[@krazed0451]

@@y200sub Traditional Judo allows training of foot, knee, wrist and ankle locks (brown/black belt only), they just aren't permitted in sanctioned competition ;-)

[@henrikg1388]

Travis Stevens is probably the last person in the world I would want to pick a fight with.

[@krazed0451]

To those asking, the IBJFF don't want a generally fairly gentle sport conflated with more visceral fight sports such as MMA. Even if a judoka is winning, they consider it as besmirching the general ethos of judo "the gentle way".

[@williamwilkins8022]

Do you mean the IJF?

[@vittocrazi]

The gentle way means "to give way". As in, the art of off balance. Not gentle as to "good person"

[@larrygoerke9081]

I started Judo in high school but didn't practice seriously till we had kids. Raised our three daughters on the mat. After brain surgery, injuries & arthritis, I took up swimming. My Doc is a well known Judoka. He cleared me for BJJ cause at my age (68), much safer in view of injury potential. Rolled a while till the lockdowns. I tell my grandkids, Ju Jitsu is a secret sauce for good Ne Waza. CHEERS

[@moofik]

Really? Did he said it is ok to do BJJ at 68? I am interested.

[@larrygoerke9081]

@@moofik I was 63 at the time but yes.

[@SammyEatsYourBrain99]

thats interesting since on long term damage bjj is far worse, sure its less fall damage but the amount of damage on joints from resistinf certain moves causes loads of permanent damage to the body

[@larrygoerke9081]

@@SammyEatsYourBrain99 Thanks for your comment, with which I do not entirely disagree, but let me explain a bit more I left out of my original comment for brevity - My Doc & my BJJ Sensei know each other quite well and Doc has been to the BJJ gym quite a few times himself. Doc's caveat with both me as his patient and BJJ Sensei as a trusted Tomodachi was simple: NO ROLLING WITH WHITE BELTS. He wanted me to roll exclusively with mature brown & black belts who respected the limitations of my older body and could teach me more and ALWAYS under the watchful eyes of Sensei & his instructors. It was a great experience. The BJJ gym closed for covid and while it reopened more recently, I'm 68 now and with other new age related issues (and the threat of monkeypox) I'm done there for now, but I am taking up Shotokan at a local Senior Center's Dojo, also with Doc's blessing. Also, I will point out that Judo Ne Waza can be brutal too with the young, rash world class Judoka I trained with in my 30s & 40s. CHEERS AND KEEP ROLLING!

[@larrygoerke9081]

One more detail - I was trepanned surgically when I was 38, which left 2 inches of skull bone missing behind my right ear. So your comment NAILS it about the relative safety of continuing to take the falls from my beloved Judo Tachi Waza vis a vis BJJ. CHEERS

[@amck72]

That rebuttal about being denied by the IJF to get permission for doing other sports outside of Judo is gold. 😂😂 Seriously though, who are they to tell you if you can or can`t do another competitive sport outside of Judo ? They dont own you.

[@krane15]

Its a standardized organization. Meaning the certification is a privileged. If you don't maintain the standards, you don't get to keep the certification.

[@plcoelho]

They don’t own you. They rule the sport. They are the rulingbody of the sport thus having the right to make this decisions. What you’re you saying is like saying that you don’t wanna pay taxes, the government doesn’t own your money. Don’t like it? Don’t be a IJF Judo ranked competitor. Simple.

[@amck72]

@@plcoelho Horrible comparison to paying taxes vs you being able to compete in another sport of your body. Taxes has so many variables and tax laws, if you`re smart you don`t have to pay taxes. Actually there`s no law saying you HAVE to pay taxes. A sport organization telling someone they are not allowed to compete in any other sport is ludicrous. Why don`t yo go tell Travis Stevens not to be a IJF Judo ranked competitor, see how far that goes.

[@plcoelho]

@@amck72 Are you for real. You know this was a metaphor right? There is no law saying you have to pay taxes??? What about tax codes?? It's exactly the opposite. You cannot pay a tax that is not approved by law. How old are you, 6? Travis Stevens is his own man. My point is, either you want to be an IJF Ranked Judo or go into grappling. Your answer is full of non sense. I actually disagree with IJF Policy being a BJJ Blackbelt. But it is what it is. You are free to choose what you wanna do. IJF is free to have its own regulations. End of story. You are actually right about one thing, they don't own you, they just own the regulation of Judo, SMH.

[@amck72]

@@plcoelho you taking this a little personal huh ? Sit your ass down somewhere. The Tax laws are conflicted. While there are tax codes,, there's no federal law that say you must pay taxes. If there is then find me that link. There are a lot of people just like Travis who do Judo and BJJ. how do you think a lot of fighters are black belts in both of them ?

[@camodigital2]

Wow

[@Packaroo]

From what I gathered here, BJJ involves grappling. Does BJJ teach how to take down also?

[@justin8865]

It depends some bjj gyms will only focus on the ground due to safety and have a more recreational mindset, some will still have a strong focus on ground and will incorporate judo ideas at least once a week.

[@CarlosDaniel-od7bx]

Yes! Especially if you want to compete. We learn judo and jiu-jitsu specific techinics to take down.

[@playthroughcinema]

I mean judoka's throw people around... people are heavy it takes a lot of power, force and technique all at once. BJJ you just tumble to the floor and begin trynna submit, I dont know if I'd call bjj more safer though because the constant twisting and pulling on your arms and legs is sure to catch up with you when you're older

[@MontyQueues]

lmao, everything he said can be applied to BJJ except the last part getting your body ripped apart isn’t considered “easy martial arts”

[@bfnew4440]

As a 40yo who did years of judo and bjj, I've now taken up swimming!

[@jb6368]

hear ya lol 46 years old here and first knee replaced at 35 and carried on training judo. come 43 both knees replaced again lol cold water swimming now my go to.

[@T2ManOnTheMoon]

@@jb6368 how did judo affect your knees? sorry i dont much about judo thats why asking , i feel bjj would be more harmful to the knees , isnt?

[@oleh5109]

@@T2ManOnTheMoon some throws involve falling on your knees or standing on one leg with the whole weight of another person on your back

[@blackcasanova7]

Stop lying. You never did Judo...let alone YEARS of Judo. If you did years of Judo you'd have known that you don't need bjj if you're a Judoka. Because bjj is just Newaza.

[@bfnew4440]

@@blackcasanova7 what kinda meth pipe do u own?

[@11Khalid11]

Black belt in Judo and the fastest to become a black belt in bjj (18 months).

[@quickstep2408]

yup, the beast

[@hmt-0764]

You think it's possible to become a black belt in bjj in 18 months for the average Joe

[@kaen4299]

Lmao somebody got fucked over, i hope you didn't pay too much to that BJJ Gym...

[@blackcasanova7]

Months to become a black belt? That's a joke in any kind of martial arts. White westerns are killing Eastern culture. Typical.

[@stormblade1199]

18 months for a BJJ black belt? Dude, that's the longest shipping time from China I've ever heard of.

[@BMLocal374]

Train both!

[@Qrunch]

I bet you were talking about Brazilian Jiu jitsu though. It´s frustrating for us who practise Jiu jitsu that people these days generally only know about BJJ and simply call it Jiu jitsu, which is very misleading.

[@pro-non9887]

WTH I didn't there was so much politics involved in these grappling martial arts these things are suppose to bring ppl together

[@NotN8]

Bros help me out w/ BJJ vs Judo vs Sambo. I'm looking for 1st & foremost most effective self defense (most common situations, able to disable larger opponents), 2nd also a fun competitive sport hopefully w/ lower injury risk

[@kungfujoe2136]

it's more about the trainer you have the ppl you train with and your own attitude +time investment if you like throwing ppl do judo if you like floor work better do bjj

[@NotN8]

Thanks for the quick feedback! I like how Judo appears to be very effective, (the ground is a great weapon that is always available!) but wondering does it rely on the gi more than bjj it is it about the same? I live in a very warm climate where there's no jackets or sleeves & 98% of ppl wear t-shirts, muscle shirts, even shirtless near the beaches; can throws at least be adapted for no-gi? I really want to learn something well rounded & useful for my environment b/c some areas here aren't good

[@kungfujoe2136]

@GeminiJets37 brendan schaub had a story about he and his boys looking for trouble and wanting to fight a judo guy the judo guy trew one of them breaking a glass door (i think that's an ipon)

[@ModernTruthRevelation]

I do Judo for a year and in no gi situations as long as you are aware of leg takedowns you are good.

[@MartenJah]

Both BJJ and Judo are excellent. They’re sports oriented, and if you’re looking for self defence perhaps consider Japanese JJ and Krav Maga instead.

[@SINdaBlock411]

1 solid judo throw and no amount of bjj skill is gonna matter because you're done before you even have a chance to use it, you can't submit what you can't take down first

[@joeylabranche1014]

So why most mma fighter have a bjj background and not judo.

[@District.24]

The first martial art I ever took was Judo. After two or three classes the instructor used me to demonstrate a throw. He accidently stood on one of my big toes. He threw me, but my toe stayed behind. I received a hair-line fracture, and spent 5-hours in the hospital that night. I was 10. I never experienced Judo again.

[@nysportsfan2576]

Damn dude. Did you get some kind of compensation for it?

[@solomonstello]

Oof.

[@bencebuda4599]

Like, worst instructor ever. One doesn't just straight-up throw a white-belt kid on his third class, especially not for demonstration. If you wanna demonstrate a throw so much, use a brown belt for that. Before I got a concussion and had to stop training for a time, as a white belt I was thrown by higher belts but always with caution and never with full force to demonstrate a technique. That one time when I got a concussion was in another dojo when I ran into an idiot. Holy shit, man.

[@ohayosumodayton1226]

Freestyle wrestling+bjj. You don't need to rely on a gi.

[@junioravila853]

There no gi judo as well, you just need to adapt.

[@malakatan3235]

Wrestling + Boxing is the most effective combination in UFC

[@laluhilmi]

Malaka Tan you will get choked if you do wrestling + boxing without jiujitsu

[@malakatan3235]

@@laluhilmi No, see the most champion of UFC is combination of the two, choke is overrated

[@laluhilmi]

Malaka Tan ufc fighters nowdays is completely well rounded ,all of champions you see know jiujitsu ,if wrestling fighter faces jiu jitsu guy without knowing jiujitsu he will get submitted and if jiujitsu guy fight without knowing wrestling he will struggle to take down and keep his opponenet on the ground

[@Crixxtachi868]

I CANNOT stress this enough,but, FUCK the ijf.

[@StudSupreme]

Cauliflower ears

[@stefanx5470]

So now we just don't ask anymore!!!

[@konstantinkascadeur8084]

That's NOT JIU JITSU kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIPWlo16bKeopLM kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6jMmGasnqZ3rdk kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6Hcm6WMmbiAbqs kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZ2qmppum66lnac kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYmyanmoj5aBb9U kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqariGV-nLyHn6s kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZCkqnWcia17Z5o kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpyUhmV5o812r80 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZKpkGCQo8lqasU kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6u3e2uZi5J-iNE kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGabamObiLJ9q9k , THIS IS JIU JITSU , Rei .

[@mfp5585]

You take away the most fun part of judo (big throws) and you approach each other on the ass, ergo BJJ.

[@Orsohobo]

I practiced both but I've to say that bjj is as dangerous as judo for your health. All those chokes and. arm bars are not without consequences

[@gaztantxo]

It is about JuDO or JU without DO

[@tyrionlannister2565]

Basically Judo is only for young people, because is harder.

[@Supermomo2007]

nope. depends on body and breakfall skills

[@kungfujoe2136]

it's kinda like boxing vs kickboxing

[@kodokanshiai2143]

kungfujoe nah bro it’s wayyyyyyy more similar than that lol

[@dansweetnam9098]

Boxing is just punches, Kickboxing is kicks and punches. BJJ is throws and submissions with less emphasis on throws. Judo is submissions and throws with more emphasis on throws. Throws more useful for slamming someone on concrete for self defence. Submission focus is more useful for 1v1 fighting in a padded cage

[@kungfujoe2136]

@@dansweetnam9098 bjj dont got no takedowns they just go lay on the floor

[@kungfujoe2136]

@GeminiJets37 is pulling guard really a takedown?

[@kungfujoe2136]

@GeminiJets37 from what i've seen there's 3 single leg double leg and pulling guard but ofc it all depends on the trainer if he's got a wresteling background or a judo background i'm sure he'sll teach you stuff just like if your trainer would be a boxer you'll get to learn some punches

[@kless001]

I’ve got to believe all the ignorant comments are from people who don’t train in anything. To trash BJJ as just “guard pull” or some watered down version of Judo just shows ignorance. I can’t imagine an experienced judoka dismissing how incredibly effective BJJ is.

[@Supermomo2007]

do you know daki age??

[@Strangingness]

I’m almost 31 I’ve been in and out of, boxing, kung fu, Kempo, and some MMA and I’ve always been into lifting weights and working out. Trouble is I didn’t really stick that long to any martial art because I hated the traditional stuff. I abused my body a fair bit and not been that disciplined and I’ve always been super heavy. But I wanna knuckle down and train a grappling art and get myself fit. I’m also a boxing/mma nut who’s watched tons of fights countless hours and I’m actually able to handle myself already I’m quick and powerful for a big guy. But I f***ed up my joints quite a bit and I’m getting older so I was stuck on Judo or BJJ and I think after reading the comments I’m going with BJJ because it’ll be easier on the joints I’m 275 ish now I think of it I don’t fancy being hip tossed 10000 times but maybe once I get lighter and fitter I could do both, thanks guys!

[@AnnoShark]

would be really great to hear how its going for you. i'm 30 and want to start one of the two aswell. not so much worried about my joints but still that of course is a big aspect. wish you all the best buddy and have fun with your bjj - journey!

[@evilkhamzat]

@@AnnoShark started BJJ last year after just turning 30. Trained TKD and apkido in my childhood until I was 20 got a black belt in the former, but stopped training after I went to college. I’m holding up pretty well you’ll be fine just prepare the ego for when a teenager 1/2 your age taps you out. 😂

[@AnnoShark]

@@evilkhamzat thanks for sharing your experience man ;D

[@NbyD]

The IJF is the main handicap of Judo. Get rid of it, change back the rules, train some no-gi and make the sport great again.

[@alonzowitt5931]

Jujitsu came from judoka

[@amck72]

Required to ask permission from the IJF so you can compete in another sport and have to say why ? I would of never asked in the first place. Why does they feel the need to try and control what a grown adult do outside of their alphabet organization ? They can kick rocks.

[@heavymeddle28]

Theres a funny little story about how "effective" martial arts can be due to its popularity and bullshit. When I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Karate was like magic. Then came taekwondo to stay. That was lethal. Judo was very popular but despite the fact that I was Stockholm champion I never believed that judo was effective. So it probably wasn't. Because I didn't know how effective it was I had no confidence outside the mat. Tae kwon do guys could fly and all kinds of crazy things so you probably won a fight just by saying that you had a yellow belt in tkd. Hell... A "flashy" kick and an 18 Yr old opponent wet his pants... Now I'm 49 and I don't laugh at any jiu-jitsu guys anymore. These were the "lame" arts when I grew up. But time has showed us all how good judo and jiu-jitsu really are 😊

[@kab1r]

Boring to watch hence less popularity but arguably more effective

[@paultaylor107]

Would love to know the IJF rationale behind that decision. For me it seems closed minded or even they are worried about what I believe to be inevitable and that is we are going to end up with world ranking judo players becoming world ranking BJJ and vice versa and saying " fuck it I'm sick of this BS and I'll create a new system which is more complete and I'll call it Brazilian Judo Brizialliando Jiudo Judo jitsu" Etc. Must admit I'd wouldn't ask for permission fuckem, can they prove it? Also stopping cross training is like saying " oh you do judo? Well you can't do strenght and conditioning then." Anyway that's what Kano did. He learned multiple different Ju jitsu styles and kept what he liked gor rid of what he didn't to create Kano ju jitsu (judo).

[@leartgashi3039]

The ijf cannot stop you from moving on to other sports, but then you cant come back...

[@leartgashi3039]

@Grannvale Flame Emperor yea...but its not an issue really.

[@brians132]

I suspect the reason is to stop their world class competitors getting injured whilst competing in other sports, so from that perspective it makes perfect sense. Look at what happened to Robert Kubica (F1 driver) when he decided to compete in rally driving in his down-time. He had a terrible accident which ruined a promising F1 career 😔.

[@adzbasslines268]

...because random cut scenes of carrying surfboards around and splashing about in the water makes all the difference between Judo and BJJ

[@gulheid]

shame on Judo if they don't allow competitors to fight BJJfighters. They are afraid, I'm sure.

[@jmjm117]

Esta enganado meu amigo, o judo serve para qualquer idade também, serve tanto quanto o jiujitsu pois ensina as mesmas coisas e principios que o jiujitsu! Jiujitsu so tem chão e poucas quedas, o judô é esporte OLÍMPICO! Nao confunda as coisas

[@canecadepombo]

Qual a sua idade?

[@simonpedersen9703]

Do he mean bjj or real jiu jitsu?

[@blackcasanova7]

He means bij also known as "Judo for the weaks". Real Jiu Jitsu is the most dangerous Martial Arts because its like teaching you Judo and kickboxing.

[@raymeester7883]

Soccer player?

[@felipemartinez1275]

Judo: real martial art, father of so called “brazilian jiu jitsu”, which is no more than ne-waza (Kozen-Judo) marketed by the “dis-gracies”.

[@me9497]

You should try some newaza with a BJJ practitioner lol you’ll find there is a slight technical difference 🤣

[@sergeibelozorov4428]

Judo: real martial art turned into an obscure sport by stupid ijf burocrats and worthless ruleset. Kimura and Yoshida were great, but literally every other pure judoka that competed against "disgracies" was dominated.

[@blackcasanova7]

@UCCiLUnz8KCTO-oQ8n-bAhLA you don't get you idiot. Newaza means "ground techniques". The Gracies tried Judo but it was to hard. They were to weak for other throw techniques so they focused only on "Newaza". So basically bjj is just a small part of Judo. The Gracies didn't created NOTHING. They fooled you dumbasses white Americans.

[@blackcasanova7]

@@sergeibelozorov4428 Judo is only a soft sport in Western world. Why didn't the Gracies went to Japan for their challenge? They only dominate fake ass black belt Judoka. They'll never dominate a Olympian judoka.

[@kless001]

Go to a BJJ school and talk your game. Doubt you could even open up a guard let alone pass.

[@SatoshiEK]

If baffles me how stupid and outdated IJF is for not allowing their athletes to compete in other sports. It makes me lose interest in Judo actually.

[@brians132]

Probably to protect their top candidates from getting injured doing another discipline and thus ruining their judo career. They have no ability to oversee rules and standards in other fighting sports. Why take the risk? It makes sense from that perspective.

[@krane15]

That voice.

[@jamese4117]

What about it?

[@krane15]

@@jamese4117 If you have to ask...?

[@Drikkerbadevand]

so dumb they want you to ask permission yet won't let you do it.. Then ppl just wont ask lol

[@rickrodriguez2005]

A good judo school will have plenty of newaza (rolling) so judo does both. Most jj moves are in judo already. Why do both. The Gracie's learned "jui jutsu" from a judoka. Took out the throws and voila BJJ. Of course they changed some things and expanded on others but all I'm saying is you can become a great grappler by simply doing judo alone.

[@ddg-fi5bp]

Cuz bjj has fewer rules. It’s like why train kickboxing when you can train boxing. Because you want to learn more skills.

[@rickrodriguez2005]

@@ddg-fi5bpYour point is backwards. BJJ in that scenario is boxing. BJJ takedowns are notoriously bad. More specific skills maybe. But overall even the most high level straight bjj guy cant take down a decent wrestler or judoka. He needs to learn wrestling to even make his skills relevant in a fight. Judo covers both.

[@ddg-fi5bp]

Rick Rodriguez Judo is like boxing because it has way more artificial rules that forces people to focus on a smaller subset of grappling. In the context of grappling bjj, especially submission grappling definitely resembles kickboxing in the analogy since it basically has no rules. Nobody forbids you to focus on takedown game in bjj, in fact some wrestlers won ADCC before. It is just not wise in the context of submission grappling. If by real fight, you mean in mma then yeah sure, a pure judoka might do better than pure black belt bjj of the same level under unified rule set due to athleticism but even that’s not a guarantee since bjj will outclass judoka on the ground. If you mean vale tudo, bjj will fair much better.

[@rickrodriguez2005]

@@ddg-fi5bp I'm talking about a fight. In the street or mama sure. And you're talking about competition judo and bjj. I'm talking about the actual art form taught. Which is why I prefaced my statement with any "good judo school. " some only focus on Olympic rules judo. That's not good. However plenty of judo schools teach the artform as intended. Some even spend 70% of their time doing newaza "rolling " So it is perfectly plausible that high level judoka could more than hold his or her own on the ground with any bjj practitioner. Also as i stated before their takedowns and takedown defense would be lightyears better.

[@ddg-fi5bp]

Rick Rodriguez If ur not talking about a sport, it’s hard to say. Let’s say schools that focus on mma self-defense. A good example is Gracie style bjj. Gracie jj emphasizes on throws too, just fewer throws than judoka do. And once on the ground, Gracie jj gets much deeper on ground survival, guard reversal etc. Since ippon is usually merely a transition, I think spending more time on the ground is wise since there’s so many ways u can end up on ur back (in a scramble, knockdown, takedown), or need to proceed to finish after u take someone down. Also, almost all mma fighters train bjj, u can’t say the same for judo.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

Judo is Jūjutsu. Kano said it best; “Jūjutsu are the techniques, but Judo is a way of life”. Jūjutsu (Jiu-Jitsu) is all about real combat grappling. Judo is a sport. Jūjutsu is combat. There is the main difference. Same techniques, different purpose. Judo works in self-defense. But if you bring back the aggressive and deadly techniques Judo banned for many years, it’s Jūjutsu again. Judo today is a lot less than what it used to be. They banned leg grabbing and ne-waza (ground fighting). Which means they won’t bother to train people in them. Kosen Judo on the otherhand, keeps all those intact. But that particular style of Judo is not as widely available. Personally, I’d say stick to Jūjutsu. But Judo is a good beginner martial art and then transition into Jūjutsu. Any style of Jūjutsu. Japanese or Brazilian.

[@Supermomo2007]

and why the " jujutusu" guys lost against the judo guys in police competition? stop talking crap

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@Supermomo2007 They lost due to Kodokan Judo rules. Rules limits Jūjutsu’s viability as a combat art. It’s not a sport. But it seems you skipped your history. In the second competition, Jūjutsu won against Judo due to Judo lacking Ne-Waza. 🤦‍♂️😂 Do more research next time, moron.

[@Supermomo2007]

@@Shadowrulzalways judo had newaza before the early competitions. you forgot that judo is a mix of 3 jujutsu styles. bjj by the way is judo groundwork, nothing else.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@Supermomo2007 Yet Jūjutsu won the second tournament.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@Supermomo2007 And no Judo didn’t because they would have countered the ne-waza then. But they didn’t. Goes to show, judo can’t without rules.

[@alvarodecampostabacaria4223]

Is it me or is he just a BIT biased on judo? Lol

[@badjaeaux]

the bad guys will give you full permission to use any judo jedi shit u can think of

[@archer9664]

Differences between bjj and judo summarized: Judo : You wanna wrestle with people standing up Bjj :You wanna wrestle with people on the ground

[@yevgeniyzharinov7473]

Moto cycle

[@matarahmadal_atif9359]

Guys please what about [Kosen judo] ? It is better than both bjj and judo...

[@judopr]

Kosen is just a competition (ground focus) rule set for some Japanese high schools and Universities. Judo is one universal style regardless.

[@aluisiofsjr]

There are a really few newasa focused (Kosen Rules) gyms in universities in Japan. If you don't live in Japan, you will end learning classic Olympic Judo focused training, not Kosen rules. Anyhow, it is better to train BJJ because the talent pool is way bigger if you want to train something similar to Kosen Judo and you don't live in Japan.

[@matarahmadal_atif9359]

@@aluisiofsjr thank you sir 🙏🏼🌹👍.

[@quickstep2408]

freestyle judo, which i really hope takes off, is the purest form of judo.

[@mziwdxsh223]

Judo stolen everything from Japanese Jujitsu, including its name. Some traditional Japanese Jujitsu refer to their arts as Judo.

[@user-mn7te2ey5l]

One time Judo and 4 times BJJ Training per week us ideal!

[@_honestly_7015]

This guy is just a judo homer

[@arta3vur]

The difference is simple, judo will show you how to take down an enemy, jiujutsu wil show u how to choke em, so basically train em both, and add boxing or kick boxing to it, and u got urself set

[@KT_-tj3nq]

Add muay thai to it to learn more

[@blackcasanova7]

BJJ is "Judo for the weak". The choke techniques from bjj came from Judo. You don't need bjj if you train Judo. So basically you don't know shit about Judo.

[@arta3vur]

@@blackcasanova7 it did, basically judo is derived from japanesr jiujutsu (wich was used in wars), and brazillian jiujutsu is derived from judo after it going worldwide Though we can agree that judo is less submission focused and rather takedown focused, sure it has some stuff but its mostly focused on takedown, BJJ is focused on submission

[@blackcasanova7]

@@arta3vur Some stuff? There are many many and many ground techniques in Judo. 32 Katame Waza. Just Google those words for the fun: Shimewaza, OsaeWaza, KansetsuWaza.

[@Supermomo2007]

judo show you to choke them, too.