Understanding The "Second" Arm Spiral

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Idk how this channel isn't more popular. You can't find super in depth baseball info like this anywhere. The new science, technology, biomechanics, body sequencing, using data to quantify performance. I wish this was around when I was younger, this gold mine of information is crazy and we now have the answers.

[@pscjr6111]

Love the content brother. You do a phenomenal job of explaining these concepts in-depth and it has expanded my knowledge on pitching tenfold. I know you're a busy man but if you ever had the time would you be able to breakdown elbow pain/soreness, difference between tommy john and tendinitis and ways to help prevent such injuries. Thanks for all that you do!

[@treadathletics]

Biggest difference between the symptoms of UCL sprains and flexor tendinitis/strains is the quality of the pain. UCL sprains will typically be a sharp feeling at layback, confirmed with a valgus stress test, and typically only hurts over a certain throwing intensity. They also rarely cause pain doing anything else (like lifting), but will when doing things with valgus stress (like washing your hair when it's flared up). Flexors will have more of a throbbing sensation, the pain will often subside after lengthy warm-ups but get worse after throwing, hurt to grip/twist things in the weight room and also feel sore when doing a flexor/pronator stretch. MRIs don't always help identify UCL sprains or flexor tendinitis unless they're reasonably far along, but you can usually get a good idea which it is from assessing the symptoms. Always consult with a doc who has experience working with throwers.

[@trippyson8902]

This information is unmatched bro. Good work

[@samg9878]

Great video Ben. I've had some serious pushing arm action problems so this breakdown is super helpful for me trying to get away from that.

[@412lifters9]

Great video, was curious if you could break down a catchers throwing mechanics

[@anthonytoto4774]

I hope there’s a quarterback coach can explain throwing mechanics like this.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@jeremyharris5176]

Great video! I had a friend of mine that I hated warming up with because he would throw so damn hard it would hurt my hand. I clearly remember how effortlessly he would throw. He had this exact motion and the ball would whip out of his hand.

[@Norkeys]

Just realized I have a trap tensing issue, ends up with my throwing elbow above my shoulder right before the first arm spiral. Thank you.

[@ram42193]

I had what I would consider a problem in my throwing, where I was sort of leading with a hand first mentality, and my arm path would be all over the place. Noticeably my elbow angle would be very acute, with the ball coming by my ear at some points. There was a noticeable lack of shoulder in my throw. I am taking a break from throwing to build my strength up again and hopefully break 87-92 to 95+ by creating a new philosophy of keeping both of my arm angles at 90 degrees or more, and using shoulder rotational energy to emphasize the delivery power/repeatability. While creating a very slight lead with the lead glove to emphasize the so called scap retraction and elastic band effect. When the front foot lands, the throwing arm is up in a rotational 90 degree movement, and the movement toward the plate being with the chest first. I guess what I'm saying is, I find that the true path of the arm during delivery is created by the shoulder rotator cuff more than anything, and that theree is no reason for the arm to close more than 90 degrees at any point in the delievery, or even deviate much from 90 degrees until of course release where the arm straigthens

[@steveisrael9825]

Another phenomenal video, so much excellent information. Any experience using a mouthpiece to try and relax the face?

[@tripphardin694]

Awesome video really needed help on this

[@thomasindler1576]

Excellent explanation my 6'8 lefty son high school senior. Is so close. Is struggling several issues. Elbow stiffness and some nomness?

[@daviemerim25]

Can you explain those spirals for other arm slots like side-arm and submarine?

[@jacksonthorne2666]

Can you make a video on regaining full elbow extension after TJ surgery? I’m over a year and a half out of surgery and still don’t have full elbow extension

[@treadathletics]

This is tough, because there are a number of things that could be causing that. Bone spurs, capsular issues (common), bicep tightness are all culprits. It's pretty advanced stuff and you really do need to find a therapist who has extensive experience working with throwers. It's fairly hard to find these guys, but there are usually a couple really high level sports chiros/PTs in every major city. Email us and we might be able to help you find one in your area.

[@imnwah]

Great information as always. Quick question, how important is pronation? Ive never liked doing it, but I can if it will help protect my arm.

[@treadathletics]

Pronation should happen naturally. I'm not a fan of forcing it, unless that's something you specifically use as a cue for a changeup.

[@xerograv6375]

Offhand question but do you think there’s a good balance between high arm slot and more vertical movement and low arm slot and better VAA? I think a guy who does this exceptionally well is Josh Hader who has a pretty low arm slot but somehow spins his fastball on a 10:45 axis which is mysterious to me considering his throwing slot. Any thoughts?

[@treadathletics]

There's definitely a tradeoff there. If he got any lower he'd definitely be sacrificing vertical break. I think guys like Hader, Kimbrel and Leiter have found that "ideal" balance. Some lower slot guys will cheat the wrist/elbow a bit on top of the ball in order to create that backspin from a lower slot. The lowest I was ever able to create a 20" VB was around a 10:30 axis on a fourseam where I was really trying to get down through the ball.

[@sonnick]

Awesome content. What ages do you guys work with online? Is there a certain age you start?

[@treadathletics]

Thank you! We work with pitchers 13 and up!

[@brianj.stephens753]

Would velo jump a little or a lot using this motion vs a pushing/ dart throwing motion ?

[@nicholasfisher6063]

My coach says seeing the ball behind my head in the cocking position is bad for my arm is this true

[@prestonbenedict4635]

We’ve talked about this already, and I’m starting to like the term “centrifugal” over “centripetal”. “Centripetal” means “center seeking” and the extension of the arm described perfectly in this video is from the inside out not the outside in. So we definitely don’t want to use “centripetal” in this case. So I believe “centrifugal” is the more appropriate term even though in my physics training, I know that centrifugal is a fake force that is a result of Newton’s Law of Inertia acting in a rotational fashion.

[@bayareaboost3034]

I’m really having trouble with the second arm spiral. The elbow won’t extend for some reason and I’m not forcing it or anything. I can extend it normally so it’s not a mobility thing. Could I email you a video it’s very frustrating.

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Please. I can pay you I really am frustrated and want to understand what i can do to fix it.

[@treadathletics]

for sure, send us an email at [e-mail] for more information

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[@treadathletics]

We typically use no more than 1 lb or so

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[@jeffislearning]

lesson: 2nd arm spiral has nothing to do with the arm

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Omg. You turned a 5 minute concise message into a 20+ minute rambling mess.

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