Trekyards EP236 - Baltimore Class

A fan designed kitbash from Brian Grider today, the Baltimore class.
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[@briankruse3584]

Baltimore class. Yea hon. Do they serve natty boh and crabs in the mess. 🦀🍺

[@mulletboater]

a scene only rivaled by Klingon dining halls.

[@seadencrowley937]

Linda and Brian Kruse And a limitless amount of old bay

[@josephmarsh5031]

I feel like the proximity of the deflector to the planetary sensor dome might be problematic...

[@shinjofox]

I like it . It fits nicely in the design line between the Ares and the Miranda.

[@ckos1978]

Amazing kit-bash! I love the compacted design based on the Connie. Lower profile both on the side and front/back helps in battle. Also has a better center of gravity I would imagine. Looks made for battle more then the Connie. Great job again!

[@talideon]

This ship needs two changes: (a) attach the nacelle struts to the secondary hull slightly down from the middle, making the struts a bit shorter but long enough for line of sight, and (b) give it a bit of a neck. The degree of squatness isn't the problem but the fact that the back of the saucer section is much, much too busy.

[@gsterl1980]

ship motto "come for the crab cakes stay for the crime".

[@isfj1009]

This is actually not too bad of a design. With a small modification to the secondary hull, it could totally serve as a tug or container hauler. "Liked" :)

[@Tirak117]

I didn't really like the TOS aesthetic until I started watching watching Trek Yards, I was always more of a Refit guy, but after seeing some of these breakdowns, I'm coming around.

[@CommandLineVulpine]

A big thing that helped me start to enjoy them was taking an explanation from the books about why the TOS era has a retro look. They made their technology more analog to help counter Romulan hacking during the Romulan wars. Pretty good way to find an IC reason for RL aethestic influence.

[@TalesOfWar]

I think seeing it on TV years ago before they remastered the whole thing for HD gives the impression it was just simplistic and bland, but when you see just how many subtle details are in those models it's truly staggering. Matt Jeffries really did an outstanding job for what essentially looks like a couple of toilet roll tubes stuck on a frisbee at first glance. Seeing physical models too with all this detail really makes you appreciate it too. I'm still more a fan of the refit though but the original Connie is still a gorgeous ship.

[@briangrider6301]

I'm happy that you grnts like her and i agree that i should of lower the Secondary hull a little. Also to the meaning of cost I meant in terms in the cost of time, not terms money. That how ever was my fault in how it was worded. Thanks and What a great B-Day Gift I have to Say :)

[@Jack_Stafford]

Brian Grider Very cool design, very cool that it got featured on Trekyards! Hope you were to have a bit of happiness on your bday today !

[@briangrider6301]

Thank You Dale

[@power543]

Glad you enjoyed the special!! And it came out on your birthday...what are the chances!?!?!? :D Happy Birthday!

[@briangrider6301]

It was made to be a fast and agile cruiser and possible fighter platform

[@briangrider6301]

Thank You

[@jeffhallam2004]

Any TOS era ship is my favorite!

[@EmpPeng2k7]

The neck is a stress point so you wouldn't have to reinforce things as much so there is a material saving there

[@NickCutroneo]

Can I say that I like this better than the Ares? This matches the lines from the TOS era. Lower the secondary hull JUST enough for the deflector the clear the sensor dome and it'd be great. Awesome job!

[@Allegheny500]

I don't remember where I read it (it was one of the manuals or blueprints) but the 3 disks on the front of the saucer were referenced as the "SINS" or Space Inertial Navigation Systems array and is used to both locate the ships position in space and orient the ship to the plane of the galaxy. It's the reason all Federation ships meet up with the same orientation to each other.

[@ericbrammer2245]

One thing that strikes me is that these could easily be either Tugs, Light-Cruisers (smaller secondary hull), Strike Carriers (mod-2nd hull) or made as fully heavy cruisers. Radiation from the warp nacelles might be a concern? Center-of-gravity is also a maybe-issue? The engineering section, regardless, is going to have central Warp-Coil fit issues, with some interior space not being, um, safe to bunk/work in. Overall, a possible ship, but maybe not the fleet workhorse that the builder had hoped for?

[@onetruekeeper5055]

The lower part of the saucer section is obstructing part of the navigational deflector dish. Perhaps that's the reason for the neck.

[@adamlytle2615]

Very nice ship. The only thing I dislike is the visual tension of having the saucer and secondary hull so close together, as well as having the sensor dome so close to deflector. It just feel crowded. I understand this is sort of the inherent limitation of kitbashing... But, if this were ever developed in CG you could have one or two deck transition area between the two hulls to smooth it out and make it flow visually. As for the sensor dome, maybe this ship has two smaller domes, one on each side of the saucer. The bottom of the saucer could just be flat. But that might just straight up look unnatural on a TOS style saucer.

[@Redshirt214]

I actually think that she looks slower than the Connie, being visually less long and lean looking. Baltimore looks more like a squat, practical ship. I like where the nacelles are, I think it make sense as a way to jettison the engines if needs be in a emergency. She looks like a good serviceable ship, and I think her captain is a lucky man to command her!

[@JarOfRats]

Interesting, but the biggest issue is the fact the Connie was designed the way it was for saucer separation. Impulse drive in the saucer, warp drive in the secondary hull. This design eliminates that huge benefit. So, you're stuck with something like the Intrepid class. In that case, I'd have used shorter, wider struts, placed at 3 and 9 o'clock on the secondary hull. I'd have the struts swept back about 30°. It still needs a neck. I'd use a much thicker one that's a lot shorter than the Connie. The more I think of it, I'd end up with something a LOT like the Intrepid class, but done in a TOS theme.

[@semperatis]

The Ptolomy class tug may be what you're thinking of Stuart.

[@rickmeyer9495]

I think I would try mounting the secondary hull upside down for an interesting look.

[@pauln2661]

The internal spaces... fusion plants, labs, shops, environmental systems do more to effect costs than the exterior hull design.

[@biostemm]

A little bit of blending of the saucer into the engineering hull would go a long way to making this design look, well, less kit-bashy.

[@IRJOE5]

this makes me want to try and kit bash an old Conny 😎

[@Grenson_Brogue]

It looks like a Franz Joseph Tug design that's been emergency converted into a cruiser . Maybe it converts back when the need for combat ships is over .

[@EroomYrrah]

kit bashing top of the line part is a good idea....Nazi made mobile filed cannons, tanks without turrets, from P4 underbodies. They were kick ass.

[@ShinGoukiSan]

Reminds me of the TMP Enterprise toy that you could swap the parts around with

[@marksmith2178]

Wasn't the Aries from Axanar built before the Constitution Class came into service and therefore couldn't this design be imagined as different variant, an Aries Mk 2, just like all the Miranda ships. P.S. great kit bash!

[@CRocketSlim]

I see this more as a scaled up version of the Ares; maybe a bit of a placeholder ship before the Miranda's deflector was finalized such that you didn't need a dish on there

[@Kreylem1]

I like this design. it looks a bit like a TOS equivalent to the Nebula class

[@skibo3522]

Yo CapN' Foley, At first glance I thought this was Ptolemy Class, (have you guys done a mission thingie on that one already?). Because of that, in general this works for me as 'kitbash' goes. The Ptolemy and Saladin Classes were always a fascination for me because of that damn book that came out, (Starship Recognition or something, came out in the early 70s) I thought (at the time) they were peeks of what was to come on the show but it never had anything at all to do with that. Though some of the drawings did find their way into the TOS movies for the ship monitors. ~Mark~

[@widde4113]

I'm not a fan of the TOS era ships, that much, but I do like how it is easy to kit bash the Connie like that. You can see how other ships have fared the same, like the Hermes class is just the saucer and an engine nacelle, and the Miranda is a saucer with two nacelles smashed on, Federation dreadnought is an extra nacelle thrown on and so on. I also assumed the saucer and nacelles were the same size on most, if not all of the classes. Makes production easier and "cheaper" since the parts are produced anyway. Like giving the ships separate intentions as well (had a better word for that). Since the Miranda was supposed to be a lighter and cheaper/simpler version of the Constellation.

[@MikeSwift.v1]

The locate of the pylons is about a simplifying the EPS manifold.

[@enterprise-h312]

14:00 The irony is that apart from the Constitution-class there really were no Federation ships which sported the saucer in TOS.

[@InventorZahran]

Wait a minute...If the proton torpedo launchers are on the front of the saucer-section, that means that this starship can't have a "Ten Forward"!

[@derekrankin7842]

I do like this ship bi I feel a 25% - 35% reduction in mass of the secondary hull would be appreciated but on the same note you could explain the size as a high speed transport or medical variation.

[@donaldhill3823]

This design could be something leading to the Constitution class configuration. Even if you figure out the base parts you may not get the configuration right the first time.

[@slighter]

Designwise, This is to the Connie what the nebula is to the Galaxy class, isn't it?

[@TalesOfWar]

This looks VERY similar to the starting ship you get in STO in the Agent's of Yesterday campaign.

[@s.w.6576]

Looks more similar to the perseus classbt with with a secondary hull

[@MrSheckstr]

I thing what you need to do is cut away the entire dome on the underside of the saucer , slide the sauce aft so that it doesn't over hang the deflector dish a whole lot of at all, put the sensor dome light on the underside of the secondary hull and the have a horizontal element coming out of the secondary close to if not on the red pinstripe that connects with the struts and that would be your power transfer and service conduit to the nacelles

[@randybentley2633]

Using the Dreadnought style dish configuration would mitigate the line of sight issue.

[@FevnorTheWolf]

You guys ever consider doing a trekyards episode of the Endeavour Class from Star Trek Online? Its a variant of the Odyssey Class. I would love to see a Trekyards review of it.

[@timothypage252]

It's a kit-bashed Ares. It could have been built as an equivalent of the Ares produced from old Connie parts after the refit made them obsolete. It would be a proven shape, with proven parts.

[@anthonylowder6687]

The primary hull slants a little to starbord

[@joshuamacdonald4913]

Is there a place to get inexpensive Star Trek modes? I really want a Saladin even if I have to kit bash. I would like to put together a refit version

[@swirvinbirds1971]

Kitbashing works for starships. Engineers are not going to reinvent the wheel for every ship they build and there should be a lot of similarities between designs. In a wartime economy you might do stuff like cut out the neck of a ship or move engine around for the next build to speed up the construction process as you need to field them quickly and lower the cost.

[@Mayvau]

All the way through this episode I kept thinking that this version would have been perfect for setting down on planets. As the majority of heavy mechanical would be mid structure no need for tricycle nose strut. What or how it would have been powered in landing and takeoff I have no clue.

[@bobwill]

This falls into the same justification that I have for the Nebula Class. I would say that the Nebula, or this would be justified that it's slightly less capable; but, it could be birthed in smaller shipyards and ports for construction, repair, and maintenance. Sort of like how there's a lot of airports in the world that a 747 simply can't land or take off from, or how a Nimitz class carrier can't go through the Panama Canal.

[@robinvan1983]

nice little ship

[@federicoestrella2567]

for the dish problem, shave it down about a 3/4 or half, it do come in different size fie different starship, don't need to be same as the Connie ship

[@kalajel]

It would have really been easier to build if the secondary hull was a bit smaller and the engines struts were shorter as well.

[@1COMIXMAN]

Only prob I see is you should have shaved off bottom of saucer section to make room for sensor and just joined the saucer and secondary hull into one smooth line and brought the nacelle struts out from there

[@CommandLineVulpine]

Hey guys! I sent in a fan ship design I made in SketchUp to your email a few months ago, it's an ENT era Battleship. Feel free to show it if you think it's worth showing. I even included comparison shots with the NX-01 and Constitution.

[@CommandLineVulpine]

Here's a quick preview if anyone is interested: i.imgur.com/nGNFqRp.png

[@EroomYrrah]

Ares has the deflector protected and 4 torpedo ports in the F/E guys.

[@power543]

yes she does :) we know the ares design well

[@irishtulsan1977]

Got me thinking.... what would a TOS version of Intrepid Class look like?

[@absoluteunit2542]

Someone needs to do this.

[@jacobvaughn9276]

Brian Bartlett this is the tos intrepid, making an ovid hull in tos would not match the asthetic of circles and half circles.

[@CommandLineVulpine]

A TOS Intrepid would be more likely top be an evolution of the ENT Intrepid, than the VOY Intrepid.

[@InventorZahran]

This design appears to have some slight resemblance to the Korolev-class starship from Axanar...

[@GoldenMoonOfDeltaCommentaries]

my only complaint is the fact that one of the nacelles on the baltimore looks a bit lower than the other

[@leniere309]

As money doesn't mean anything the cheaper part could mean man hours, faster to build, smaller quicker to construct using the same machinery, less time if they need extra ships in a pinch, could also be built in a hurry if there were spare parts readily available or in a production line situation in time of a large conflict.

[@captianjessie1]

this ship seems to remind me of the alec peters aries class

[@jesse33cdn]

I like it!

[@Sheepwielder]

Can you point me in the direction of some ships which have the secondary hull above the saucer. I was thinking of this while watching but have never seen it done.

[@creepyrobot23-50]

Sheep wielder USS Kelvin and the Einstein Class come to mind.

[@RotalHenricsson]

I like the design well enough; it's very TOS (for lack of a better word, seeing how we only have the Constitution and it's pre-Refit variations for that time period). However i have the same kind of question i have with many, many other ship classes. Don't get me wrong, i LOVE new ship classes to dissect but half the time i truly wonder "why does this exist in-universe". Like, unless this class is significantly smaller than the Constitution - what good would it do to rearrange the parts? My gut feeling is, initially, "different Warp Geometrie", and that's probably the answer in-universe, but... there's presumably a reason why the Constitution looks the way it does so i'd argue that, for this rough ship size, it's likely the optimal configuration, or close to it. Normally i internally justify different classes with vastly different roles, like cargo vessels, survey vessels, explorers etc, but even that doesn't seem to work with true kitbashes... i don't wanna bash the ship, it looks lovely (though i personally would'd change the Secondary Hull), but i think it's a little tooooo close to the Constitution. Frankly i think it begs for a Nebula-style pod-tower. Oh, and for the question of whether it looks faster? I'd argue it doesn't. Sticking the Secondary right on the Saucer and having the Nacelles hang down makes it look kinda squat. It takes the elegance out of the design, that elongated, back-swepped aspect of the Connie. I'd say it looks more like a cargo freighter or battleship. Edit: (Yes, i know, commenting before the video is over is a TERRIBLE habit...) See, i don't buy the "less crew"-thing. If every thing else is literally the same part (Saucer, Nacelles, Secondary) then what have you actually saved in space? The Neck. Nothing but the Neck. You can't even argue that there's less room in the Saucer like on the Miranda Class because the Secondary Hull is still entirely intact, and presumably the same size. Where does that crew reduction come from? Maybe there's less Blueshirts on board but you likely aren't saving on maintenance with that size.

[@TrippBOOMOneFunnyGuy]

What about the ships deflector? Isn't that how they create a Warp bubble? Half or 1/3rd of the dish is being blocked by the bottom of the dish

[@TrippBOOMOneFunnyGuy]

Well at certain angles the dish is blocked more then other angles. Regardless, the dish is partly obscured

[@Trekyardswebseries]

TrippBOOMOneFunnyGuy The deflector has nothing to do with a warp bubble at all. It is simply a sensor dish and as the name implies it deflects space particles and such out of the way while at warp.

[@DarthRagnarok343]

I think if the secondary hull was moved back and down like 2-5 meters that would clear up the line of sight issues and make it look better.

[@surealmagic9670]

I like the om era of star trek

[@smipth]

Seems too cramped around the middle. By spreading things out you give more room for the utility functions of the ship i.e. hallways, bathrooms, turboshafts etc. Not to mention now if you take a shot to the deflector you might also lose a nacelle. Ouch!

[@GX328382]

looks more like an Ares class then anything else

[@mysticvirgo9318]

Well, thinking of it, just because they use the same holl shapes, does not mean the same parts are used inside.. Baltimore could use the same design elements but still be less than ship of the line in capability.

[@Ren-vv8bb]

The pre-Voyager

[@meteosurreal]

Kinda nifty design; - could visualize FASA stats for it being average, with fairly large Crew and Shuttles.

[@hallmonitor1]

Captain; Belknap is pronounced bell nap, not belk nap. The k is silent.

[@Trekyardswebseries]

Good to know! Thanks

[@thribs]

An NNF joke on this? :)

[@martinbaxter6414]

Grampa Miranda!

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Do the Romulan Kerchan

[@glennlaroche1524]

The kitbashiest kitbash that ever bashed a kit.........

[@josiahclinch6219]

Ares is the first gen. the Baltimore is the 2nd gen.

[@captianjessie1]

maybe the boltimore class was was an emerance stepping stone between the aries heavy cruiser and the constituion class flag battle cruiser about the time of the anxanar war. maybe the constitutions neck were too hard to build in a short time to meet the klingon d7 in battle at axanar 2245 on the first 4 years axanar war but the boltimore class was in a pinched designed after the more compack aries class look but had the skills level of the full sized constitution cruiser class without the problematic technical problems in the neck. in between the 2 4 years wars ther 2 was a 2 year seizece fire then by the time of the second 4 years war the constitution class focused on the d7 while the boltimore clasd and aries class focused on the d6 and smaller klingon ships. 2255. besides in 2245 the uss constitution and uss enterprise constitution class and the fleet of aries would of been out matched and out gunned by the klingons if the bolitmore class did not fill the role of heavy battle cruiser maybe the the bolimore class fill the role of fleet defence and partrol more the the flag ship duties

[@Pagan2917]

..And yet come on!

[@dotmatrix7383]

I that the Ares? lol

[@gerrylclark1517]

More what!?! The ship looks like a mistake! A rush job!

[@federicoestrella2567]

do uss kevin model with the TOS era

[@bluefalcon2099]

Makes me really wish you guys would do the Pyotr Velikiy-class www.starfleet-museum.org/pyotr-velikiy.htm

[@surealmagic9670]

so I will send a ship but how to submet a ship .

[@Pagan2917]

I've been told that if you haven't got anything nice to say you shouldn't say anything so...

[@captianjessie1]

maybe it a a lighter heavy crusier

[@ControlDenied307]

I love this channel and the vast majority of videos put out, and I understand that there are only so many ships in canon to discuss, but man are we scraping the bottom of the Star Trek barrel by devoting 20+ minutes to a mediocre fan kitbash model, or what?

[@federicoestrella2567]

don't like to talk trash, but I don't care about the warp bubble or other theory of how it work or how it will travel in space, it's only a plastic model.....its look pretty cool, try to the same in the beginning back in the 70s but only got 3 class starship. don't care why it built, will be problem with turbo lift, will the dish be in the way and etc........, to me and few it's all about building together, don't need why to small or too long or its not belong in star trek fleet......who cares.......sorry guys

[@gerrylclark1517]

When you want to say that's an ugly design, the Baltimore class!

[@snyderman001]

The definition of kit-bashed. Can a warp field be established in this configuration? The deflector dish is almost in contact with the saucer, how is it supposed to even work? The struts look oddly placed, covering the secondary hull logo. By cramming all of these components together wouldn't they interfere or diminish their abilities. Sorry, just don't like it

[@hanzo8120]

What a ugly ship design! I prefer the Designs from Star Trek 8, the Enterprise E is beautiful, streamlined, and have a badass looking. Now that is a ship! Or the Defiant from DS9. Bulky, small but powerful and deadly. It has more a military look or better, it has more a-like "military vibe" coming from that ship design.

[@nucleargandhi2709]

urmagerd it looks like the ares so unoriginal downv9td + unsubsxribe. (Just kidding, looks cool, well done.)