Trekyards EP238 - Borg Renegade Ship

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[@PaulBoland]

This ship was in Voyager. Scorpion Part 2. It's a Borg weapon of mass destruction. Seven showed this design to Janeway and Tuvok, wanting to use it as means of spreading the modified nanoprobes over a wide area in the battle against Species 8472.

[@novax-ig9yt]

When I first saw this ship , I assumed it was either a ship commandeered by the Borg and/or Lore, that originally belonged to another race. Or, it was constructed by those particular "liberated" Borg. Either way, I never thought it was a Borg collective ship.

[@enterprise-h312]

The cube represents the monolithic nature of the Borg Collective. This vessel represents the complete opposite as having defected from the Collective. It would not surprise me if it literally broke off from the Unimatrix.

[@Ample17]

Enterprise-H Im with you, it absolutely looks like it is just a part of unimatrix. besides the hull textures. And as you say, the design opposes the representation of order and symmetry the collective stands for with an a asymmetric ship design. A ship designer for a show would maybe think that way.

[@CRocketSlim]

Hey Borg Queen, bite our collective shiny metal asses!

[@JessHull]

I feel this ship greatly represents the renegade Borg. The Renegade Borg are fragmented and in turmoil. This ship being a-symetrical and not a unified design exactly represents the Renegade Borg in that regard.

[@jaysus620]

This turned out great. I always figured the odd shapes were a result of the de-connected Borg having their first experiences with independent thought in many years and not knowing quite what to do with them. Suddenly they realized there were other shapes open to them, and they just sort of threw together everything they could think of that seemed cool to them - like Borg writing bad fan fiction. :)

[@Jack_Stafford]

Jaysus great analogy!

[@jeffreyjacobs3663]

What a cool ship!! Thanks for doing this epi! and thanks to whoever donated and got to request it!!

[@julianebesch7656]

My explanation for the odd design: This is a 100% original Borg ship, but it is V E R Y old... so old, it dates back from a time when the collective was still in another state of collective consciousness. Some of these old vessels are still around, even after millennia have passed... Proof of that: * There is s SYMBOL on the ship (-> different state of consciousness), they never minded to paint over it ;) * The FTL is a PRECURSOR of transwarp. Ever wondered why only this single Borg ship was affected by the return of Hugh? Well, maybe it is because some of its systems, which support the collective mind, are from ages ago. Just sayin' ...

[@rickdrent]

Hmmmm...... Yeah this can be the case here.......

[@f1lmfr3ak]

That Borg logo goes way back to the episode Q Who, where it appeared on some corridor walls inside the Borg cube.

[@clouless7032]

00:55 ouch! Vincent van Gogh was an impressionist. Cubism came later and you were probably thinking of Picasso, Marc or Klee. That was a blow to history and art. I assume that van Gogh did just now cut off the other ear and became a walking dead! Otherwise as always, well done. I love it, as it is asymmetric. Only seems logical as the Borgs only need functionality, not design.

[@UserNameMandatory]

"a flying tactical mine" sounds appropriate. It evokes in me a sense of a ore processing plant. More so than Terok Nor/DS9

[@-Bill.]

I'm nearly 100% sure this is a Borg design, if I recall correctly a schematic of this ship was brought up by Seven of Nine in the episode "Scorpion part 2"

[@eliasgordon4321]

I have been wondering about this ship since I was a little kid watching TNG. Super excited to watch this!

[@stonegolem1835]

The ship looks like if the disconnected borg were basically working together but they were in three groups with different ideas of how to build a ship. The design also indicates the fact that the they were ultimately were not able to work together until Lore arrived. The purpose of the ship design is not to have a unified purpose.

[@CaptainMPXLPERF]

I always had it in my head that this ship may have actually been once a Borg Cube. However the disconnected Borg crew in their disharmony began to modify the ship in random, different directions. This makes sense to me when you consider Borg Cubes are effectively 'living' ships, an avatar for the collective consciousness of all the individual minds in the hive. They control the ship as one and they 'heal' and regenerate the ship as one. But when you take away the single-minded nature of the collective and replace that with hundreds of thousands of lost and confused individuals. In my mind this is what would become of the ship.

[@Jack_Stafford]

horuslupercal6319 I agree it's a little bit of a schizophrenic design with drones that no longer really know how to work together and this is the result.

[@dotmatrix7383]

My guess is that this ship was built from assimilated components and other vessels. Much like Arctic One in Enterprise had a non-symmetrical look.

[@benjaminnelson5455]

15:00 "You imply a disparity where none exists. I am the Borg." - Queen to Data in First Contact

[@bentez2003]

Guys i love Trek Yards but when you're discussing specific small details on a ship could you highlight the part on the image? even if its just a box done in MS paint, or even zoom in and highlight. I think this would help your viewers know what ship detail you mean without having to guess as somethings are hard to spot! Keep up the good work

[@anwaraisling]

This ship has always given me the sense of an assimilated space station that was retrofitted to have warp capability.

[@reaor7790]

I noticed while watching Voyager episode "Scorpion" that this ship was shown while Seven was discussing a mine as a delivery weapon.

[@eliasgordon4321]

I really think this ship is assembled from several different vessels that the rogue Borg picked up along the way. It's very possible that given the size, part of the ship started as an orbital star base.

[@mikebell2112]

No consensus without the collective. Each race building it how they like it until there's enough ship. I can almost imagine multiple "bridges" where each race could feel like they're in charge or at least comfortable.

[@Jack_Stafford]

mikebell2112 Bingo! Dozens of races thinking independently maybe for the first time in their lives trying to work together.

[@Deth1977]

it looks like a representation of the chaotic nature of the renegades compared to the borg collective. perhaps it was built and designed by the renegades and different race of Borg worked on different componants thus creating a strange off center design.

[@Deth1977]

Another thought is that this was built from the scrap of ships they captured or destroyed.

[@Jack_Stafford]

Roy Hensley I like your first idea and tried to express much the same but you did it much more succinctly!:-)

[@qw7154]

remember they r a new culture. I think the lack of shielding and blue and yellow is places where they can enter data and it's open because they will be more ship but onto that area...idk. so cool!

[@nicholasdickens2801]

One of my favourites :)

[@pixelforge4858]

i always liked this as a borg ship.

[@DSas2300]

I was always confused as to whether that was the Borg's symbol or Lore's personal sigil that was then mis-classified as the "Borg" symbol in resultant media. I agree, having a coat of arms type of thing seems very un-borg.

[@DSas2300]

Or, perhaps that symbol was already there if these were an assimilated ship and facility originally. Armada naturalizing both the ship and symbol of course makes things tricky.

[@rickmeyer9495]

Now open: Renegade Borg Premium Outlet Mall! Where low prices are assimilated and paying too much is futile!

[@NathanHeadActor]

even though i watched TNG religiously when it first aired in the uk, i don't remember this ship from my first viewing. The earliest memory of this ship is seeing it in a pinball machine in Phwelli when i was a kid haha :) does anyone else remember that pinball machine?

[@neilsimpson79]

It's an ancient Borg mining, refinery and foundry ship. You'd need a lot of material resources to make a fleet of borg cubes

[@bjthe4th]

I always assumed that it was a Borg cube transformed due to the individuality that Hue brought back with him. Different Borg/groups of Borg regenerating as they saw fit. Finally Lore brought them together and the ship became ordered enough to become functional. Just my first impression as a kid.

[@jakegearhart]

It looks like what a star wars version of a borg ship would look like.

[@buster8277]

Data's "brother" changed the borg on this ship. When you showed the Enterprise passing the borg ship, The doctor was in charge at that time.

[@seanoneill9606]

I think it is many ships pieced together. Possibly it started with what was left of their cube, but they could have started from scratch.

[@isfj1009]

Good episode!

[@allistair61]

By all means you are quite right, I do not remember offhand seeing a Borg logo on external shots of their ships. But if you take a look in Q who as you Watch the team going to the Borg nursery(they use this phrase) you will see a hand sized logo as they going in

[@InventorZahran]

This starship looks like it wouldn't be out of place as a space station in the Star Wars galaxy...

[@anavultus1142]

This ship also appears in Voyager and is referred to as a mine. This leads me to speculate that this type of ship is probably a type of freighter used by the Borg to transport large quantities of materials that are not easily replicated, as such a design would lend itself to being filled with a large quantity of payload that would be spread or detonated by the destruction of the ship leading to its use as a mine. Therefore, I would presume that a significant portion of the internal volume consists of cargo bays. But that is just a theory.

[@MichaelWilliams-star-trek]

When I saw this episode years ago I was sad because I thought that it was the end of the Collective. I was certainly happy when First Contact came out.

[@adamlytle2615]

23:15 It looks like the time vortex from Doctor Who - especially as seem in the opening titles during the David Tennant years.

[@TorKelRa]

You know that the design was actually referenced in Star Trek Voyager, when Voyager and the Borg are working together and they build a nanite bomb, 7 of 9 brings up the appearance and it's this ship

[@nefdsnet]

Maybe it's interconnected assimilated ships that used to be a part of a Borg unicomplex. The rogue Borg attached various engines and other components, then detached it from the rest of the unicomplex and used it as their ship. An effective Borg equivalent of a kit bash... ;)

[@jaysus620]

Also, I think there's an LCARS in Descent where it's identified as Borg Type 03 - the second type was the scout ship in which they found Hugh.

[@DSas2300]

The Breen would love this one.

[@sciguyjeff]

A few ideas. You were saying it is Borg because of the size (more or less) yet the Fesarius from TOS was even bigger and certainly V-Ger was gigantic. Since this ship design has never been seen again in any other ST series, especially Voyager, I would think that more than likely, it is not of Borg design. However, back to size. Borg cubes are mostly hollow if you remember, the same could be true here. Another possibility, what if the ship was designed very large aliens (even assimilated ones)? If a species was on average 12 feet tall, then what we consider as two decks (or 3) would be one deck to them. Certainly the aquatic species from Enterprise would require something this large.

[@PsychoStreak]

I think it may be a converted factory ship the Collective captured. It had sufficient volume and facilities that it fit their purposes without needing much external alteration. The asymmetric open sections could have been areas they removed during the assimilation (they sample ships to get an idea of their uniqueness) as it made it easier to modify. the piping going from the central area across the arm lead to that blue strip, which I think is an impulse engine. All the symetrical openings could be docking bays that they simply filled in with Borg tech, particularly on the smaller pontoon.The monolithic shape of the larger pontoon suggests heavier shielding for power generation, fuel storage, computer cores and the manufacturing machinery, which would be mostly automated even before the Borg got it. The central comlpex would be crew quarters, labs, command and control and storage. They wouldn't always be able to just assimilate and modify everything they needed, so the Borg would need some sort of manufacturing capabiity. Pop (or make) the gear needed to open a Transwarp conduit, dump several thousand drones onboard, and it's good to go. Given the Borg's quest for perfection, they wouldn't design something shaped like that, but they would use it,

[@Sheepwielder]

I was thinking design Ques for the Breen later. They used asymmetric shapes too. If this was smaller I would say it was an early Breen vessel.

[@donaldhill3823]

I always thought of the Borg queen as Patient zero. In other words she is either the original Borg or she is the oldest current Borg. As patient Zero I picture the creation of the Tech that created the Borg being designed to save her from some injury but then it went crazy and spread.

[@djkramit]

@13:58 Gangsta! 🔫😂😂😂

[@freagarthach4228]

I like the idea that it's a base, but I also think it's actually the Borg base. We don't know what happened to Hugh, maybe he returned to the core of the Borg collective. And we saw that core in Voyager. So, maybe, it's a part of that huge Borg structure. Hugh and others rebelled, but couldn't get a ship, so they just disconnected a part of that huge Borg structure, added engines, transwarp drive, deflector, and other devices, that you need for a ship to fly, and just went on their way until stumbled on Lore and... well, we know what happened then.

[@GordonMassie]

This surprised me because I've seen this ship before in your videos but I always thought it was a Borg shuttle, although seeing it now makes me wonder if it was from the TOS era or maybe earlier? Because the Vaadwaur said the Borg were around in their time, so that's at least 900 years of history.

[@noneuno53]

or this ship and building on the planet, are the look back at a time when the borg was not a full collective. ruled by the technology to make ship squares and circles. thanks for your time.

[@Hirobian]

Borg Cooperative ships are interesting as well due to distinct differences from their Collective counterparts.

[@jordanedmond5618]

This ship design was seen in Voyager when the Queen was talking to 7 of 9 about assimilating Earth with a nano virus.

[@dogspunk]

I always assumed it's asymmetry reflected the individuality of the renegade Borgs. They didn't think as one, and it shows in their ship design.

[@Lokiawa]

For Star Trek Armada 1 you can download a expansion pack called Borg Incursion, in the pack there's a plethora of new ships the modder added including the Renegade ship that's buildable for the Borg and it's a beast but there is other Borg ships that out powers it but it's still a good ship to have fleets of.

[@PlagueOfGripes]

You guys got too in-universe and couldn't see the forest for the trees. It's a design meant to show what's happened to these borg: they're still borg, so the ship is still geometric and organized, but in some turmoil. Hence the offshooting segments and asymmetry. Yet they're being organized by an outside force, so the ship itself is still balanced and cohesive. An emblem is placed on the outside to show the Borg are not only individuals, but they're united, with a personality and sense of purpose. So I'd say it's clear the Borg themselves built it, probably on Lore's instruction. Otherwise, it wouldn't have all these elements if it was some random spaceship they took a liking to.

[@marksmith2178]

I hate this ship but I like to think it's an assimilated ship or Space Station (like that Earth ship as seen in Enterprise) that Hue returned to and Lore found. But I accept it is as a specialist assimilation ship as seen in ST Amarda 1 & 2. Plus, looking at Borg space cities, as seen in Voyager, Borg architecture isn't symmetrical, unlike the rest of their ships.

[@Telleryn]

yeah, looks like a space station, the asymmetry and scale. Could easily imagine them coming across an old station and sticking propulsion on it.

[@jcngokai-76]

this ship is more like being commandeered by Lore/"liberated"Borg during offscreen timeline between "I, Borg" and "The Descent"

[@djpob]

I could've sworn the FTL vortex was specifically called a transwarp conduit in that episode

[@valuesubtracted]

One of these ships appears in Star Trek Online as the flagship of the Borg Cooperative, under the command of Hugh. In the game, it has a blue colour scheme, as do the other Cooperative ships.

[@valuesubtracted]

Link: sto.gamepedia.com/Cooperative_Flagship

[@LunarLizard]

It could of been a older borg ship. A precursor to the borg cubes maybe. Since the borg don't decommission their ships it would make sense that a few of these older ships are still around.

[@robinvan1983]

well they were individuals and Hugh was one of the most Human. So maybe the Borg had to Artisic design. The ship does look like the Hand logo of theirs if you look from the top

[@4750548]

It looks a converted space station .... may not only to attack other ships but to sever as self- sufficient hub for smaller ships to go out on raids ?

[@murphsmodels8853]

It gives me more a Star Wars ship vibe

[@grimmwolf9690]

Looks like the start of a Borg cityship/hive/unimatrix? Kind of like the one in Voyager, but being built by the renegade Borg as a start for there own collective.

[@watcherzero5256]

In regards to symbols if you remember the episode they had loads of banners of that symbol hanging inside the building.

[@Doublebarreledsimian]

The Borg painting a symbol on their ship makes sense in this case. Because they're not really Borg at this point, they were an early concept of what liberated Borg were, who were ruled by a psycho Android. I see the symbols as expressions of individualism from the collective, so the symbols might not even have their origins with the real Collective, this could just be a standard for these "Borg".

[@Kaiber_Phoenix]

the prosideo class and its counterparts from STO would be a good vid to watch and are really interesting designs in my opinion and think you guys might like them

[@edfparts]

about time you did this ship...

[@Jack_Stafford]

edfparts so thank you? ;) they work so hard for so little appreciation LOL

[@edfparts]

At least i hooked them up with In N Out when they were in LA. I wished i could afford to sponsor a show, I'd love to help them out on the SDF-1

[@ShadowStarNexus]

the first thing i Thought when i saw this was wow a borg space station..... this wont end well

[@scottgardener]

I had originally assumed that it was another species' ship, which had been partially remodeled into a larger and more uniform and homogenized Borg ship, only to be interrupted mid-process by the renegade individualization. Thanks, however, to those of you who found the info explaining it as a Borg WMD.

[@Spotcats]

I always assumed the ships odd look was do to the Borg that built it. They lost their link to the collective. They lost their one direction. The ship seems to show this. Also, this design shows up in Star Trek Voyager. 7 of 9 (Before her liberation) was helping Janeway work on a weapon to kill S-8472. The computer monitor displaying the weapon is this exact design. I don't know if it was a nod to TNG but it was used.

[@nucleargandhi2709]

I'd say it is probably an assimilated ship designed by some other civilization. Borg have been shown to try to take over other ships (First Contact), so I don't see why they wouldn't take advantage of available vessels and assimilate them along with their crew.

[@gardeningandlife137]

Data or someone said it was never seen before Thats what stood out to me

[@GlitchedAI]

I feel like The Borg Renegade ship was only partially borgified, sort of like how the Sovereign was infected with Borg Nanoprobes and the technology was slowly being assimilated and Borg technology was growing inside of it and that it's still mostly just an alien ship taken from a race they assimilated, because from what we've seen of every Borg ship they all eventually just turn into specific simple shapes, nothing of this complexity, it's why you don't see any other alien ship within the Borg Collective, or if you do it's only temporary, because they all just eventually become Borg Cubes, spheres or probes due to the Borg conversion process, the collective don't keep the original shape of the ships, the Renegade ship was perhaps being turned into a cube given it's size before it went "renegade"

[@brobrah4595]

did a rewatch yesterday of star trek voyager season 7 episode: workforce pt 1 and 2 and wanted to ask you guys a question. before chakotay, harry and nelix meet up with voyager and the doctor, is that a breen ship that attacks the doctor? looks exactly like one imo.

[@dotmatrix7383]

Not a Breen ship, but a clear re-use of a CGI model of the Breen ship.

[@saalkz.a.9715]

Bro Brah They just reused the Breen design and made the ship more symmetrical.

[@brobrah4595]

i understand the why of what you are saying but why make it look soooo similar? i mean its an almost exact replica? im not buying that.

[@dotmatrix7383]

Cost saving measure.

[@saalkz.a.9715]

Dot Matrix Most likely that was the intention, just making something "fast & cheap" but menacing.

[@ronniejacksonjr5607]

That ship is on Star Trek Online: Delta Rising.

[@melina001a]

*sighs* The Borg Queen is the one who is many, who brings order from chaos

[@S1nwar]

looks like a part of the borg main base in the delta quadrant

[@chianghailoh5354]

It is time to check out the WH40k ships.

[@ritchiet4349]

would really like to see what you guys think of the destiny ship from Stargate Universe. maybe see what info you can find out from outside the TV show universe

[@qw7154]

then not having a logo makes sense because these Borg r not normal. they r more human and more of an "individual" remember "hue". these Borg developed a culture and it would make sense for a culture to have a logo or symbol that symbolizes them so it fits perfectly actually it fits perfectly.

[@DumbWolfPerson]

You guys should do one on the UberEnterprise, which was launched on the 10000th anniversary of the original Enterprise, it can split itself into the old Enterprises

[@PatriciaCross]

It is like a Star wars ship. Lots of asymmetrical Star Wars ships. And most likely a Borg design, for two reasons. 1) Symmetry likely serves no purpose to their way of thinking. It is human (and other sentients) nature to try and make things symmetrical. The Borg, or even Lore, would probably design something like this. 2) Symmetry is important to warp field theory. Positioning of everything effects warp fields, and ships have their geometry designed with warp fields in mind. Borg use transwarp conduits. Geometry probably matters a lot less (if at all.) I feel like this is a ship designed by Lore using Borg tech.

[@mikestoast]

I loved this ship, i always took it as a vessel that the borg assimilated. Perhaps a planetary transport or a colony ship maybe even a space station. I also took this ship to be bigger than a Cube, at least equal in height and 2-2.5 times in width. The notion that the Borg would have their own ship design always felt strange, this is a 'collective' that assimilates and takes the tech of others; that should include the ships. A specific Borg designed craft should be rare, used only for specific needs. If anything they should not have an aesthetic, that even a Cube should have come from another race and been another assimilated ship. Of course, that is without bringing up the ridiculous nature of the borg from a logic standpoint and how they have not taken over the whole quadrant within 100 years or the entire galaxy. Warp in assimilate a group move onto the next and repeat, they should expand at an near exponential rate. There should never be a lull in their quest for assimilation since that is their Modus Operandi.

[@ringlerum]

It was a ship that the borgs took over

[@murrzen7821]

When I watched this episode the mentioned that they used trans warp conduits for travel and I assumed the ship was for that reason

[@smh4683]

I have a notion, and let me apologize if this was brought up before, but maybe it's not a Borg ship per say, but is an ancestral ship; I.e. its a remnant from The original or one of the original civilizations the Borg ever assimilated. It wouldn't necessarily have the same design esthetic because it predates the Collective. Any thoughts?

[@cwallacefilms]

Remember- Data's brother, Lore, was leading these dis-assimilated Borg. Remember Hugh? They are no longe a part of the collective.

[@power543]

yes we talk about this in the video :)

[@friedrichdresye4979]

I believe in Best of Both Worlds Part 2, on some of the consoles you can see a red claw/hand that was assumed to be a symbol for the Borg, same can be found in the Borg "nursery" in Q, Who?

[@friedrichdresye4979]

Memory Alpha also talks about the red claw symbol, even showing some photos and screenshots of the episodes its in.

[@flatheadgg2443]

There are two possibilities :It's an assimilated ship of some random delta quadrant species that the borg feeded with nano probes and other borg technologies : It is a ship lorr and his crew captured from some random delta quadrant species that used borg technology to build their own ships (such as the romulans did on the narada even if it doesn't look borgish anyway)

[@Jack_Stafford]

Flathead Gg244 good ideas but I think there are more than just two possibilities. ;)

[@justinreijnders8992]

what i think it most likely is the start point for a borg cube where they took large captured ships and put them together to act as a framework for a borg cube

[@cathyvickers9063]

I always assumed the Renegade ship was an alien craft that they found & assimilated. Back when Voyager was still on, I invented a likely history for them. I imagined that Species 01 was called the Borg, & valued perfection. Several factions approached the pursuit of perfection differently; & one of them sought it thru cybernetic enhancement, & apparently decided that emotions & individuality were weakness, so they created the first neural link. Unfortunately, they miscalculated; & the behavioral imperatives which were supposed to INFORM their collective decisions instead enslaved them. Instead of the individuals being in control, their individuality was completely squashed. Since the cultural drive to perfection was still a major part of their thoughts, the new drones promptly assimilated the rest of their species. Interstellar allies were the next to be assimilated, as the Borg continued to evolve their technique, & to acquire & assimilate new technologies. Over time, the Borg continued to adapt & evolve. Assimilation techniques changed. Ship designs became geometric. I never really accepted the "Queen" as hierarchial leader, so I imagined she came about as the collective solution to some problem: possibly as a voice to the collective will. Once they had plugged a member of the right species into the function, they made a point of always using that species. Maybe the reason it's always FEMALE is that the species evolved with subordinate men. If the females are the strong-willed, clever intellectuals, they're the obvious choice.

[@watcherzero5256]

Apparently ship design is credited to Dan Curry.

[@watcherzero5256]

I always assumed it was an assimilated ship, most of its surface doesn't have the same exposed innards and its not green/black but white/blue.

[@ronniejacksonjr5607]

that borg cooperative dreadnought is equal as the Enterprise J

[@SeamusOCleirigh2002]

Aren't the Renegade Borg like linked some what?, like in the episode I remember a borg dragging another borg to lore and giving out to him for disconnecting himself from the others, and lore says by joining with the others that they will give him strength. So like if they are in some kind of Collective state like the Borg Cooperative, they could've built or assimilated the vessel in harmony?

[@dotmatrix7383]

Speaking of the Yeager... Any plans for a Trekyards episode with that ship?

[@power543]

yes and no...we've been avoiding it :P

[@dotmatrix7383]

Aww. :( Would love to see it featured. I think Ben Robinson also teased an Eaglemoss model for it as well.

[@Jack_Stafford]

Dot Matrix I kind of dig the Yeager and its unique way of integrating the nacelles partially into the hull but not quite to the extent of the Defiant. crossing fingers!

[@Ticonderoga444]

It looks like it’s part of a unimatrix complex

[@aaroncalhoun337]

I always thought it was a ship from another race that was captured.

[@helrod]

I always assumed it was a ship that was taken by them or found by Lore Lore had been a part of an ancient alien entity for some time and probably picked up some knowledge of alien races we have not seen yet or n=maybe died off long before