Trekyards EP87 - Korolev Class

[@CLAIR.L]

I love this ship it feels like a tos Miranda class with a secondary hull. Alec you and your team have made another beautiful ship and thank you trekyards for introducing me to the korolev

[@Watcher40000]

ive only just discovered this. And hands down it's some of the nerdiest, nerd talk I've ever heard. Talking in such detail about fictional starships as though they were a reality. Funny thing is, I feel right at home. I look forward to binge watching these Trek yard videos.

[@Twitchguy]

They are addictive aren’t they?! I don’t understand 90% of any of their videos but I love the Star Trek shows the ships & seeing new ships so I keep coming back for more

[@stevenkuski5916]

The comments here seem to make the assumption that a bigger ship is more powerful, especially in regards to the NX-01 and the Korolev class. it seems to me that the NX is big because the infrastructure needed to sustain the ships functions is large and bulky, this would make sense given that the NX was a primitive ship. As technology advanced the same functionality could be squashed into a smaller ship, or a ship of similar size would be more capable. Chief O'Brien once said that the Defiant had the same power output as a galaxy class but squashed down into a little ship the biggest problem was keeping the defiant from flying apart.

[@EroomYrrah]

The Bruce Lee of starships....Half the size of chuck Norris or Bolo or Arnie or Stallone. I bet those guys would have to draw straws to see who has to fight the 'King of the Dragons'. Even C'Mac would think twice about that.

[@Janoha17]

The Defiant's shakedown cruise nearly shook the ship apart.

[@jeffreyjacobs3663]

These guys did an incredible job making these ships look unique and yet totally familiar.. Really love the phase cannons

[@HarperStl]

1:01 I think the reason it has three nacelles is combat survivability. The Kelvin-timeline is much more warship oriented, so maybe it was decided to remove the engineering hull in favor of another warp nacelle. If one nacelle gets knocked out, you still have two more to limp your way back to a shipyard with.

[@dustinchattaway7953]

I do like both the axanar korolev with secondary Hall and jj verse with the third nacelle. both korolev class ahips could the difference between the andorians/Terrans wanted more crew cargo bays, shuttles extra torpedo storage , more robust engineering room work stations repair bays and engineering supplies toolsin the engineering Hall. I see the jj korolev more of a Vulcans and the rest of the other non andorians/ human members wanted a faster ship, more advanced shields, able to field more power in to phaser systems and deflector abilities. the tellerites like the idea of the torpedo roll bars for extra safety just in case the active torpedoes rack exploded in side the korolev classes.

[@MrSheckstr]

Stopped at 3:30 Perhaps in order to comply with both GR's line of sight rule and paired nacelles rule the central element is deflector, engineering and warp coils where the hanger bay should be and those central coils interact with BOTH outbound nacelles for reasons unknown (this is for the JJ version)

[@Blackjack1321]

The one thing I would change it extend the neck of the secondary hull to the saucer and extend it to also connect to the torpedo pod on the roll bar so the warp core power feed to the nacelles would run from the secondary hull up to the weapons pod, through the roll bars down to the warp nacelles. This would mean the neck from the secondary hull would split the impulse engine, which would clairify that the ship has twin impulse engines and give the ship a stronger structural appearance. I do love the look of this ship, it is my favorite from Axanar.

[@christopherbarth9426]

Ship design depends on Mission function, Technology, and personal support functions. A ship might be larger but if it takes more energy and more space to provided a single operation of the ship. the NX-01 can be larger as an older ship needing more room to provided larger components for ship functions and crew count.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely done and very well explained and informative indeed guys 👌.

[@ArkAng3l1985]

the reason for the second hull is likely due to more phasers a bigger warpcore and the shuttlecraft as well as special engineering missions and directly under to make it slightly more manuverable

[@jeffreyjacobs3663]

Great interview as always guys!! thanks!!

[@hallmonitor1]

The Baton Rouge Class should be added in there somewhere. They are mentioned in FASA, but there are no stats. They can be found in the Spaceflight Chronology. upon which the FASA timeline was based.

[@donaldhill3823]

Never been a big fan of the TOS "deflector" dish looking like a big satellite dish so I would be fine with just saying that TOS got it wrong and the TMP and Axanar got it right . At some point we have to accept that not all the visuals made sense in TOS for a progression forward from where we are now.

[@jeffersonian000]

The third nacelle has always been there for extra power rather than extra propulsion. Perhaps the JJ version is a tug mod rather than a cruiser?

[@xheralt]

Except that as of TNG era (and shows made after TNG, irrespective of timeline setting), the nacelles don't _generate_ power, they merely _consume_ it, all generation is done in the intermix chamber/warp core, which is usually declared to be in the secondary hull. Which makes placing Bussard collectors in nacelles stupid, because how does the collected reactant get to the Engineering decks/powerplant? You have to pipe it all the way down the pylons! In addition to piping warp plasma UP the pylons from Engineering to the nacelles!

[@xheralt]

My view on three nacelles is that they don't provide _more_ warp velocity, so much as _steadier_ warp velocity. Loosely described in terms of modern vehicles: One nacelle is a 4-cylinder minivan. Two nacelles is a Maserati or Ford F-150. Three nacelles is a Detroit or Cummins big diesel. Each configuration has strengths, weaknesses, and a niche in the transportation "ecology". So to my view, three nacelle ships are not so much "dreadnoughts" as long-haulers. I can see trimaran designs being used by _non-Starfleet space agencies_ like the Federation Survey Corp for deep-space mapping missions and suchlike.

[@jeffersonian000]

Fasa had third nacelles on Dreadnoughts for additional power, as noted in their star ship design rules. A smaller single hull ship with three nacelles has far more raw power than it needs, putting more in the category of a prime mover such is a Semi or Tug. Power in this case does not mean electrical output, but more like ability to move mass.

[@xheralt]

The Star Fleet Battles approach was that trimaran ships had 1.5x power of twin nacelle models, but had to expend 1.5x power to move the same amount. If not used for movement, the raw power was of course available for phasers, shield regeneration, etc.

[@tideoftime]

Like addressed further above -- by the NG era (proper) and later, the in-and-meta-narrative is that the nacelles are used to create the warp fields; they don't generate power, which is the function of the warp core, impulse engines, and reserve generators. (That is, while there's still plenty of older material that has the nacelles "producing" power, the more recent decades of meta-concept vis-a-vis the series and movies is that the nacelles *consume* power, not generate it. Everything comes from the WC, IE and generators... which actually makes much more sense, regardless...)

[@SurelyYewJest]

I'd say that the Korolev was a pre-Miranda design, and the Miranda was an evolution of this design that was made more efficient by incorporating the space and functions of the secondary hull into the tiered "mesas" on either side of the Miranda's saucer. The Korolev design makes sense if the secondary hull is used more as a pod that can be separated, and is used for transporting things into different theaters. While the triangular cutout looks good as a design detail, or as a cost-cutting/time-saving measure during wartime, the existence of other TOS ships that don't need that cutout for impulse operation makes that detail seem superfluous in this design.

[@MrSheckstr]

So at 8:40 the question of mounting the nacelles to the saucer and not the engineering hull is a legitimate question it seems that by doing that your are forced to route energy generated IN the warp reactor up from the engineering section up to the primary saucer over the the nacelle mounts and then back down into the nacelles (and conversely what every material your bussards are collect base to make a similar trip. It seems to me even if the nacelles are mounted to the hull you would need some sort of structural element going directly from the secondary hull to the nacelles. Either that or say that engineering section is in the primary hull and shift other ship systems down into the secondary (computer cores, storage, labs, bowling alley and swimming pools)

[@noneuno53]

I can see this ship flying down in to the upper atmosphere, deploying shuttle crafts. And on the roll bar are the five wing like flaps and mage-locked for space flight. And last a BIG forceful impulse engine to delta-v back up in to orbit. its a nice one.

[@RonAnderson]

I always considered the secondary hull as a design options for ships expected to perform long rang, long duration missions. It gives additional room for fuel stores and cargo in addition to a larger warp core and shuttle bay.

[@2863Tom]

+Ron Anderson 100% agree.

[@jameslewis2635]

To me the Korolev class seems like a precursor to the Miranda class. It seems to me that the Miranda class has very similar capabilities but with engineering included in the saucer section rather than in a secondary hull it would cost less to build and crew than the Korolev. This feels like a sensible development as the Wrath of Kahn shows that the Miranda class, while not direct a match for the Constitution class can still be a danger.

[@MrMartechi]

Another Axanar Special and a beautiful one too! Alec Peters always is a wonderful guest to add a lot of thoughts and interesting background information about how these desgins and their lore come together. But, I have to say, I'd also love to see tobias richter as a guest on this show some time. If I remember correctly, he worked on a whole bunch of different star trek related projects and I'm sure he'd have some own opinions and interesting background information about these designs too!

[@power543]

+MrMartechi Thanks! We have had Tobias on to talk about his D6 design, we have as yet unreleased episodes of him talking about his work on Axanar and an episode on Phase 2 :) Lots more from Tobias in 2016!

[@ArkAng3l1985]

with the jj abrahms version the 3rd nacell was likely for speed but could still serve as the secondary hull as the end of the secondary hull could in theory still be a necell because the front of the middle necell still had a deflector dish likely as a proto type cruiser

[@martinsleight321]

It's just such a beautiful design. Love all the Axanar ships but this one particularly is great for me.

[@Razorwind01]

It's kinda cool looking at that rear cut out on the saucer now with the Star Trek Beyond U.S.S. Franklin being a thing.

[@ricknick5318]

The plasma conduits only shoot up from the starboard section through the edge of the saucer section and the underbelly of the saucer section

[@InventorZahran]

The secondary hull could also be a docking area for star-fighters, considering that this starship was designed during a time of conflict...

[@sirbobbyuk]

I was alittle supprised by the size of the ship and that it was only slightly bigger than the nx. would have liked it to have veen bigger in size. Apart from that its a cool ship. I look forward to any other azanar ship designs been added to the fleet.

[@snapdragon9300]

Following technological development, modern day warships are often modular in design, entire comms towers ,deck sections ect can be seen in massive dockyards like in South Korea constructing them at a incredible rate, or Halifax ,Canada. I know this because this is where my RNZN is currently having several of ours being either constructed now, or in design processes or refit. As new automated systems are integrated, crew sizes can be cut dramatically ,reducing often the size and tonnage of the vessel required, or allowing the integration of more systems. Surely Sci fi would follow in the same vein, at least mimicking it in that scenario? Bigger doesnt necessarily mean better.

[@cosmictyger]

If anything, the "neck", between the hulls, should be larger/thicker.... and that's it. The impulse engines in closer combat related locales could be a purpose driven design, and, arguably, an appropriate class related decision. I would say the same for the nacelles. I would add more weapons TO the secondary hull for the same reasons.

[@orionslaver432]

I have a hard time accepting that the NX was that big. It had a crew of less than a hundred with frankly crude and relatively minimal facilities, while the Constitution had to accommodate a crew of roughly 400, plus full scientific and support facilities and enough supplies for an extended, independent mission. I'm also a big fan of the Yorktown design from Star Trek: Legacy. It definitely strikes me as an earlier attempt at building a ship like the Constitution.

[@MrSheckstr]

Orion Slaver say each person on the NX needs X amount of cubic space, that's 100X. Then 400 people need 400x cubic area. But let's assume that in the time from NX to Connie thanks to miniaturization that space required has dropped by 25% so we are at 300X since volume is the length cubed that means that in order for the volume to triple you only need to increase the length by 44% (cube root of three being 1.44) This may not be particularly accurate but it is a good benchmark

[@nicholasdickens2801]

I love this as it's both Classic TOS and JJ universe/timeline.

[@CLAIR.L]

I've always thought that the nacelles or any part could be placed anywhere on a starship. the korolev for example you could just pipe the plasma conduits up the small neck from the core, split at the impules engines, then run through the aft of the saucer to the nacelles

[@lrdofstrms]

I like the Korolev design. I also like the three nacelle design, but prefer a configuration similar to what was done in SFB with the NCAs and War Destroyers. I picked up a model of a heavy frigate from the JJverse that was built like an NCA with a torpedo launcher between the two upper nacelles. I do like the fact that the team is trying to work out the function of each ship design and where it fits in the lineage. As to the design differences between the Korolev and the Constitution, I think the smoothness of the Constitution is an indication of its advanced design, where it doesn't need the greeble on the hull or extra armor plating. Kind of like the design differences between Arleigh Burke and the Zumwalt destroyers.

[@xheralt]

The JJ-verse 3-nacelle variant seems to be what Star Fleet Battles calls a "war frigate" or "war destroyer". SFB of course follows the TOS conceit that nacelles produce the energy, not a single central warpcore/intermix chamber; if that is the case, the sleek round 𝘒𝘦𝘭𝘷𝘪𝘯-esque "frigate" nacelles produce something like 6-8 energy points each to a [SFB CC] _Connie's_ 15 each. If one subscribes to the "single inboard warpcore/intermix chamber" mode of power production, then 3 nacelles divide the total power output of the core 3 ways instead of 2, functioning like a 3 Ø (208VAC) electrical motor in that respect, versus single phase mode single nacelle (120VAC) or twin nacelles (220VAC). Three nacelles, each using less power overall, would therefore run cooler, allowing a higher cruise speed threshold and emergency speed sprint endurance, while still having (due to the warp core/warp coil pairing) the same MAXIMUM speed as a two nacelle ship! Greater _strategic_ speed and range, but the same _tactical_ speed. Which is, to my mind, why StarFleet eventually scrapped three-nacelle designs; they stopped seeing the advantages AS advantages, balanced against the additional construction costs and maintenence overhead.

[@saquist]

-While I agree with Alex on the need for a third nacelle, we have to realise there really is no rules because Constellation has 4 nacelles it also doesn't have a Secondary hull. But in concept, I agree. -I would say that the Korelev doesn't have a reactor in the secondary hull. At the same time those shuttle batys don't make a lot of sense next to those pylons. -Voyager frequently used phasers at warp speed - *Cruiser* is a designation for any ship on a solo mission or detached duty away from the fleet. Today Cruiser denotes a certain size above Destroyer but not as big as the former battleship class. -Sam, why no glows on the Korelev?

[@power543]

+saquist No glows because model quality varies and this one the specular maps didn't work at the time and since it was a conversion from another software i could not custom light anything on the ship...eg buzzards. I did get the model from the permission of a colleague of ours but some of the detail was lost in transmission, still nice to see it fly though :)

[@stryletz]

+saquist Voyager did a lot of things, not all good.

[@Ryeguy123a]

+saquist Roddenberry's rules were nacelles that came in pairs -- so 2, 4, etc. Therefore, the Constellation actually does fit into the Roddenberry's rules.

[@xheralt]

If the FASA-Andorian nacelles are "too close together to balance the warpfield", that destroys the Roddenberry-apologist "always two there must be" theory that _Kelvin's_ single nacelle contains dual inline coils. Can't have it both ways! I say this as someone who LIKES the FASA Andorian aesthetic.

[@mynkir-sol2150]

In TOS ships, Main Engineering was in the Saucer Section, not the secondary hull; that was a transition that came with the Enterprise's refit. The Enterprise-class/Constitution Refit changed Starfleet's 'tech paradigm'. 3 Nacelles only make sense as a one-off, proof of concept for the Dreadnought, to work out engineering problems, to make the Dreadnought feasible. Not a ship of the line. Miniaturization is a normal element of tech evolution. Reflecting real world navies, ships in Trek get larger or smaller because form follows function. A ships' size and appearance stems directly from what was the ship designed for and what was the tech available when it was designed & built. The Littoral ships currently used by the US are sleek, compact, versatile beasts, like the Defiant-class of Trek.

[@saintwildfirerecords]

Wouldn't pre tos nacelles have the vents in the back, the the cage connie?

[@GordonMassie]

I was thinking about this today and I've finally figured out what this ship reminds me of, its like a TOS Nebula Class. Still a nice ship. :)

[@garuda]

Was it not like all nacelles come in pairs? Gene stated something like that back in the day?

[@Trekyardswebseries]

Yes. We just filmed an episode on Gene's 4 rules of Starship design. But not sure when it will be released.

[@positronicfeed]

In all honesty, the line of sight between the nacelles thing is a bit of a bs rule since there are many canon ships that defy it. I don't think there is much line of sight between the warp coils in the DS9 Defiant. Or if having any part of the ship where there would be crew members in that line of sight would fry the crew members as you said about one of the Earth defence ships, which had half a saucer and winglets on the tips of the nacelles. USS Steamrunner has the nacelles embedded into the saucer. Had that been true, that ship is doomed.

[@xheralt]

"Always two there must be" came out late in his life, TNG era, when Gene and the Paramount designers needed to disavow the Franz Joseph designs (which had been used in Star Fleet Battles, fan fiction, and Diane Carey's early Trek novels -- that was the _real_ "back in the day"!), and to a certain extent the FASA designs as well, in favor of Paramount-owned designs.

[@paulheap1982]

Fred Miller this is the same guy who wrote lyrics to the TOS theme so he could get in on the royalties.

[@kevinobrien7529]

Roddenberry is turning over in his grave. Roddenberry said nothing should block the lascelles.

[@shawnbeckmann1847]

Why does anyone who designs a Star Trek Ship under the impression that every Ship has to have a Saucer Nacelles and a Secondary Hull....That's why I liked the Defiant Class so Much, finally someone who thinks outside the Box, Future Designers need to really, really to use some imagination Please!

[@theeyeofodin4414]

You have to remember that this takes place before TOS, so it has to remain within the same design layout.

[@OpenMawProductions]

@@theeyeofodin4414 Says who? The only frame of reference from TOS is The Enterprise, K-7, and the Botany Bay (which was really old). The only other TOS ships we see, are in the remastered version of the show, where they added in some other civilian and cargo ships... Which look nothing like the Big E.

[@Fowlesr40]

I get two nacells as it adds to the warp bubble that pushes the ship through warp space. as a noob to ST but a SIFI reader. I like the idea. I would like to know is the nacell size in reguards to the size of the ship?

[@OpenMawProductions]

Warp engines don't push the ship. They generation a warp bubble around the ship, compressing space in front, and expanding it behind. If anything, the ships are dragged on compressed space.

[@SIG442]

That 3rd nacelle could also be counted as a hidden technology, nacelle with deflector in one. Meaning it could well be a science type ship. So in that perspective it would be no more then a fair idea. Starfleet is known to push the technologic boundaries, specially to test out new technologies to see if it would work with benefits to them. Yet in later ships we do not see this back, so we could assume it was either classified as 'failure' or put in the fridge for future attempts. What I like about this ship is the unique cut-out in the saucer section. Although it may be a little to much, it still adds to the design of the ship. What I dislike about this ship is that is basically received a 'point defense system' what should come no sooner then the Thunderchild (Akira class) which is nowhere near being developed or even in the minds of Starfleet at this point in time. Even the original Akira class came after the war. So timeline wise it would be too far ahead of it's time. If it did arrive during this war, it would most likely be on the Enterprise that came after it and any other ship carrying weapons. So that is definitely something which is a serious breach in the timeline. Is it cool, yes of course. But with the timeline so badly altered it will likely kill the original series and everything that came after it.

[@EroomYrrah]

The thirds cell may be required for specific high power demand functions, that if conducted without one, would compromise total ship performance... let's say, and industrial sized transporter....400 m3 capacity that transports stuff from there to another there, 60 tonnes of oranges from south FL to north GA, not to the ship at all.

[@XTINFILM]

How about putting a device along the top of the warp nacelles so they can "see" each other? I have a big problem with the scaling of NX-01. I pictured the total length of the NX being as long as the Connie's saucer. At that length, I can buy the NX having a crew of 83. If the NX saucer is a little larger in diameter than the Connie's, we know the interior volume has to be about twice what the Connie has. The NX saucer curves up at the top, but the Connie's curves in at the top and bottom. On the plastic model kit of the Connie, the interior and exterior hulls of the saucer nearly touch inside. There's almost no room there, and yet the Connie has a crew of 430? That's over five times the size of the NX's crew. Surely the secondary hull doesn't add that much living space. The secondary hull does get the shuttle bays, engineering, and sensor array out of the saucer, but I don't think that's enough to make up the difference. Especially since the Connie interior sets give the impression of a larger ship than the NX. I'm starting to think J.J. Abrams super-sized Connie actually has some logic behind it.

[@clayronso3932]

I would have the cutout go only as deep as the inner ring on the hull and put the impulse engines there.

[@alexthewhale6915]

corsair actually outclassed the zero

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

By a lot

[@colleenjin8794]

Interesting. When I first saw this class of ship I thought it was a Mirada 1 with a secondary haul. 😄

[@haroldcarfrey4206]

BESS Battle Line (BB/BC) Escort (CA/CL), Scouts (DDs), Screen (DDs and CLs)

[@robynthompson9503]

Late to party. I never had an issue with the pylon placement. If main engineering runs vertically up the "neck" or is alternatively in the primary hull then it makes more sense to have the pylons in the primary hull as opposed to the secondary. That was my first thought about that, and even with what I've heard since... it still works.

[@grahamelamblamb3198]

already designed 3 of my own colonist armed settler vessels

[@charlesbard2331]

I do like the design of the ships as long as the warp engines are not too close to the hall.... There was another one I saw I at didn't like it at first but it what's better the second time around....

[@thepoliticalstartrek]

I have been of the opinion that there should be two sizes one with the nacells and one with out.

[@nathanaelries]

Aren't the Nacelles supposed to be line of sight with each other? Doesn't that secondary hull get in the way?

[@sirbobbyuk]

When Alec said that the ship was only slightly bigger than the nx01 left me bewildered as nx01 was smaller and had a crew complement of 80 what are the number of crew on Konakov?

[@pauln2661]

All the real estate on the secondary hull and seldom are even phasers are mounted there.

[@Captain_Razor_88]

What about the Yorktown class? It was considered the ST:E era battleship. Could there be a ST:TOS era version?

[@buellmoody8262]

Try this ideal it is not part of the ship but is detachable and allows for multi-mission capabilities the original tech manual (before internet) had a class that did this kind of role moving colonist and cargo in a self contained pod . this kind of design would never sit still you go into orbit drop the pod and then leave the pods have their own power/transporters small shuttle bay. you are not going to try and put 500 colonist on that ship but you can in the pod during war time the pods are troop carriers with shields, self defense phasers, shuttle bay and cargo all can maneuver in orbit. this means that the ship is over powered for it's size to allow for the load of the pods on the ship once removed it becomes deadly more like a miranda class

[@Ronald006]

what happened to the Asia class i believe it was in service during this period? or the Valley Forge Class

[@joek.3647]

Good episode!

[@jamesmagill5433]

This redesign version is MUCH better than the original one.

[@bpezzano1]

Another one of my favorite ships. When I see a design for a starship. I often wonder what it would be like to serve on that ship. Or even better. Command a ship of that class. This is one of the few I would like to command. Also, maybe in the future, it would possible to have Axanar model kits. I would sell my wheelchair and melt my crutches to build a model of this ship. It could also, possibly, be another way to raise funds for Axanar. And other fan based shows.

[@Assassinus2]

Hmm. Zero versus Corsair doesn't seem to hold water. An A6M Zero versus an F4U Corsair would have to rely on the Corsair pilot doing something very dumb (like, say, engaging in a low-altitude turning fight) in order to win or survive. Perhaps Zero versus F4F Wildcat would be a better analogy - the Wildcat was inferior to a Zero, but not terribly so. But I'm quibbling.

[@eduardomenendez2692]

Darryl Aoki yeah Corsair was way better than a Zero... don’t think he knew what he was saying there

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

Agreed, he was thinking Wildcat.

[@xheralt]

Can anyone point me to the graphic they display in the early discussion? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

[@g.waldmeister1851]

I love the design they did on the Hermes.

[@sirbobbyuk]

I would have thought that the Korolev class would be bigger than the Nx class. As in the number of crew on the NX was 80. Since Korolev would have at least 250 to 300 crew on board

[@wchisholm2368]

The size problem is that the NX is simply too big for its time if you use the "ships always get bigger" philosophy. Personally I think that the NX was so big yet had such a small crew because it was very crude and the internal systems were so bulky. Newer ships are faster, and part of that is probably because they can put more power into the same size warp field because the ships can be built more compactly for the same or greater capabilities. Eventually they would reach a limit where further miniaturization of systems does not get you much extra space and the ships would have to start getting bigger to add more capabilities. There might not be much in the way of dangerous warp engineering equipment inside the saucer so it could be safe enough to attach the engines to it. It is known that the Constitution class used a horizontally oriented warp core that ran under the warp engineering decks seen in the TV series, and the lack of scenes where the engineers have to mess with it could mean that they were relatively low maintenance at that time (it could be that the more powerful movie and TNG style engines had the drawback of a more temperamental warp core that needed constant supervision). It is quite possible, given the way the roll bar lines up with the nacelle struts that the warp core is actually in the (hopefully heavily armored and shielded) roll bar instead of the saucer. If the engines were damaged enough that they had to eject them they could eject the nacelles from the bottom and the rollbar from the top quickly and with less danger of trapping crew in the doomed section than a saucer separation would have.

[@TheCastellan]

what is the ring around the bridge bubble for?

[@DeltaDestiny]

+TheCastellan Perhaps housing deflector field generators??

[@2863Tom]

+TheCastellan Most likely a sensor band

[@-sirfrenzy-1781]

If i had to change anything for the Axanar designs it would be the sizes of the ships compared to the NX.

[@JosephWiess]

It's too bad that we can't see the axanar movie. It would have been cool to see the new ships.

[@crashoverride1000]

I like the 3 nacelle because it may be an energy issue like a nebula torpedo pod. It may sit back and reinforce shields or act like an awacs to give destroyers and frigates sensor intel. Whom is the biggest Trek nerd.....Me. P.S. Axanar looks Awesomesauce.

[@ianfox1740]

The Defiant is 170.68 meters long not 150, sorry guys but that's wrong.

[@_Dogberry_]

Daniels? Is that you?

[@Twitchguy]

Easy answer for size nxo1 was deep space exploration cruiser with less modern equipment if you think in modern terms vs koroelev being more like a steam runner defiant Norway corvette/destroyer type short range attack ship with more advanced efficient tech since it’s 94 years later. I appreciate the size comparison but I think it would be more impactful for those of us viewers who are in truth just fans for the ships & battles (guilty sorry lol) with comparison to something real world as well. Like the korolev next to a Gerald Ford class carrier or a famous building to make it sink in easier

[@abrr2000]

I have an idea as to why the ares class is absent in st:os. The ares is the 1st federation ship to be built so heavily with inter species technology. and went from dream to reality in 1 year. It is therefore highly likely that there are fundamental design errors burred deep into it's bones, due to complicated barely compatable systems having to work together (like DS9). Over time these errors would become more and more of a problem, until you're looking at a complete ship wide overhaul. And unfortunately, she's been made obsolete by the constitution class. Why bother?

[@TrentonBennett]

"Can't use phasers at warp speed"...ummm did you forget the Prometheus from Star Trek Voyager?

[@OpenMawProductions]

No, the voyager people just didn't give a shit. From Voyager thru Enterprise the ships did massively inconsistent things at warp. "You cant turn at warp speeds because you'll destroy your ship." (Shows Columbia literally spinning on her axis to save the NX-01 in Enterprise.) The general idea was always for torpedo's to give a ship some kind of offense at warp.

[@BarrengerFynar]

WELL, now I have the urge to play some star trek ship combat

[@sagesheahan6732]

I actually really really enjoy all three designs....

[@vjeko1701]

It's a great and informative show, specially the Axanar specials. I would just love it if you rendered the models a bit better. Add light maps, bump maps, reflections. I've done quite a bit of texturing and I know it's not that much work, if you want, I can help you with those.

[@Lamboghini76]

People you also got to thank its house on House of the deflector dish

[@Sarados1980]

Really nice design, even if it breaks the LOS rule for the warp nacelles ;)

[@PhilDrury]

*harrumph* the nacelles warp subspace, not normal space, so it doesn't matter.

[@2863Tom]

+Philip Drury The ship still needs to produce a warp bubble. Without the warp bubble the ship would not be immune to the constriction of subspace and would therefore be destroyed. According to modern science, if u constrict subspace, normal space is still affected relative to the ship. So technically you are warping both subspace and normal space as a result. The warp bubble doesn't cut you off 100% either, which is why the ship has a deflector (to stop rogue particles damaging the hull) and it's own structural integrity field to prevent any excess force from acting on the ship. Three nacelles creates a more unstable warp bubble. So essentially, it does matter.

[@botfan78]

I'd love to talk to the guy on the bottom on his thoughts on the functions of different classes.

[@tubarlog]

Ever thougt about that the JJ Version was meant to be a very fast but light scoutship and had for this reason 3 nacelles but no secondary hull? I always thought, that it is weird, that in Star Trek, for a long time, the biggest and heaviest ships are the fastest. Thats the reason, why I liked it a lot that the Intreped class was faster the galaxy class.

[@DrewLSsix]

It's technology that limits speed with these ships. At least in terms of warp travel. Remember, at warp you are not accelerating mass.

[@Sillydogification]

While I like the look of the "Roll Bar" I think it would be better functionally without it. I have this problem with the USS Reliant as well. What I mean is that - Torpedoes are stored in magazines - wouldn't it make sense to only have 1 central magazine? made of nice think fire proof and blast resistant walls? I cant see torpedoes being resupplied along that "roll bar" arm with any kind of speed. ... I think the USS Korolev would look much better with a tower that connects the secondary and primary hulls and terminates with the torpedo launchers above the saucer section. It makes more sense that torpedoes could be moved from a central magazine and also resupplied from the shuttle bay... A little late - but those are my thoughts having just found this video.

[@AaronJoshandRiley]

Cant wait to see this!

[@LittleMacscorner]

Corsairs annihilated Zero's!! You prolly meant the F-4F Wildcat

[@kenasche3114]

My question is how can a ship with one Nacelle create a Warp Bubble?

[@starbugmechanic5236]

I wonder if any of these guys have played the old computer game Birth of the Federation?

[@vivomega3937]

being an old school(Roddenberry) Trekkie I had seen the thumb nail I was like "Holy crap its the Miranda Class!" Then started to talk about jj trek and you almost lost me..... My question is why are the nacelles are so fat in jj trek where they was smaller in the Roddenberry Star trek? Also I was wondering if you guys covered the phaser cannons? It is canon that they used lasers until Kirk took control from Pike(which Spock was part of the crew at the time) much later on which was her first refit.

[@Lokiawa]

Ooooooh me like the TNG Korolev! hahahahahahahaha when I was watching this, Wrath of Khan was playing on BBC America 😂

[@voltaicfire1825]

I've got to watch Axenar again.

[@EroomYrrah]

Didn't realize that how LONG a ship is all that matters. What if smaller ships denote generational leaps is teck...smaller PLUS more capability PLUS lower resource requirements equals BETTER.

[@TheCastellan]

Question, what does the "D" in the Klingon ships, the D5, the D7, etc, actually stand for? o_o

[@jeffgrencik1295]

+TheCastellan "derp"

[@hallmonitor1]

+TheCastellan Drell

[@kalajel]

+TheCastellan Don't you think that forward bridge looks a bit phallic? :P

[@TheCastellan]

***** No. Get your mind out of the gutter.

[@bobl6857]

I think this is a sharp looking ship. I almost like it better than the Aries

[@thorgustaafson8849]

Captain Foley, Have you seen anything in print that someone high up in the producing of Axanar bought a new car with fan funding? Also has Paramount blocked production of this movie with a lawsuit? Thanks

[@ricknick5318]

You just need to do an internal space comparison

[@castertroy6347]

What's the deal with Axanar and the lawsuit? I am looking so forward to this. Also, is Robert Burnett still attached?

[@valenrn8657]

USS Prometheus used phasers at warp speed.

[@Redemptorchapter]

After hearing examples my autistic son watched an ad and said. "That is it"

[@jacobskelton5562]

I like the ares better than the constitution class ships.