Trekyards EP36 - Xindi Aquatic Cruiser

[@jillwright7733]

The mock battle between the Xindi Aquatic cruiser and Klingon D5 Battle Cruiser was hilarious. LMAO!

[@EcokadeBlogspot]

My #1 favorite one-hit wonder ship. Stuart: brilliant fight strategies here, plus: after fight cocktails! Woohoo!

[@jamestrexler6329]

I, personally, wish we could've seen more of the Aquatics. I think they're a really cool concept.

[@CaptNSquared]

In one episode Picard does mention a race called the Xindi, but it is spelled slightly differently in the script

[@Pooptydoopoop]

N Squared what episode

[@nickryan4126]

memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Xendi_Starbase_9

[@djrudd8455]

Stuart - I like your Xindi Aquatic strategies. Pretty inventive :)

[@ronniejacksonjr5607]

In star trek online the Xindi keep same ships from the 22nd century but up-to-date on the 25th century.

[@peccatumDei]

Great episode! I have to admit, I'd forgotten all about this ship. Makes me wonder what level their tech is by the time the Enterprise E launched. I have two more for the request hopper. First, the First Federation Fesarius, especially if you can dig up any extra info on the First Federation. The portal on the Dyson Sphere in the ST:TNG episode 'Relics' appeared to be just about the right size to admit the Fesarius. Second, the Voth city ship from the ST:VOY episode 'Distant Origin'.

[@jediknight73]

love this design and concept

[@Nibenonn]

Starships have shields, good guys and bad guys. So to do any major damages or beaming things in and out of the other ship the shields must be taken down. As I recall the TOS Enterprise the shield snaps on automatically if the computer senses an unknown coming. Am I wrong?

[@roguezilla5887]

+Nibenonn Only the deflector shields automatically come on :)

[@josephllivingston1378]

Didn't the Xindi get mentioned in DS9 SEASON 3 or 4 late, around the time the Romulans and Cardassians attacked the Dominion? While we are on the Xindi, do they have anything to do with fluidic space?

[@Cyberwolfman]

All that mass and still more maneuverable than a Star Destroyer ;)

[@EcokadeBlogspot]

Mark Lawrence : And also larger! (than the Imperial Class of Star Destroyer)

[@foxpianocovers]

I have no problem with the Xindi conflict not being mentioned later in the other series. There's a DS9 episode which makes reference to a federation/Tzenkethi war, which was never mentioned previously or after!

[@RaymondConlon25]

Fox Piano Such a cool name, "Tzenkethi" - shame we never found out more about them.

[@mindcrimefilms5623]

+Fox Piano Exactly. There's really no reason even to believe that the Xindi conflict was the first war between humans and other species. It is conceivable that humans before NX-01 and Archer were fighting against alien species while they were first reaching out into the stars and people didn't find out about it for years or decades later because subspace radio hadn't been invented.

[@JoeyFancy]

+Fox Piano i agree!! i really like the Xindi story, and never had an issue with them not being shown in original or next Generation STAR TREK, i felt they were far enough away we didn't need to see them again... and there was almost no reason for the Xindi to be talked about in an episode of Star Trek of any other series, hell the average episode of Star Trek takes place over days, and we see (after removing time for ads) less than an hour worth of events, form a story perspective Kirk or Picard or anyone could be assumed to talk about the Xindi all the time and still not be shown in an episode.

[@DavidKnowles0]

The novels did a good job on them.

[@DavidKnowles0]

They said cargo ships had to fend for themselves out there in Enterprise.

[@djrudd8455]

Love the show guys - very entertaining and informative. It strikes me that the Xindi Aquatic ship looks a little like the SeaQuest at the front - I wonder if that was intentional? Dunno if you mention that - I haven't finished the video yet :)

[@BrandonCowles1989]

How many times is the Spanish-American War mentioned or Pearl Harbor? Not a lot.

[@thribs]

There's a Xindi on the Enterprise J.

[@kookoobrick54]

My theory is that from the Xindi war on wards, the show takes place in what would become known as the Kelvin timeline. Keep in mind that the massacre according to agent Daniels never happened in his timeline.

[@Klingon]

This would be a neat ship to pick the designers brain about. I wonder if they have any plans for that control room stashed anywhere so we can get a better look!

[@RaymondConlon25]

Wasn't the vortex tech/warp reliant on the Spheres? Isn't the Four Years War slightly non-canon? Regarding the Xindi not being mentioned in subsequent series: they likely remained fairly isolated to the few systems they controlled, focusing on repairing relations/their homeworld. But at a stretch, there's mention of a *Xendi* starbase, so if you can forgive the different spelling. . .

[@RaymondConlon25]

Mindcrime Productions I wouldn't consider myself a hater, but the series did waste it's potential to do something different,

[@hansolo4017]

it was mentioned by krall in beyond its cannon.

[@gawainethefirst]

How often does the War of 1812 come up in modern conversation?

[@Sinalis]

There is a Xindi reference in early TNG and the Enterprise D has an aquatic section in the schematic.

[@Trekyardswebseries]

That has nothing to do with the Xindi. That's for dolphins that act as crew and help 3D navigation. As they live in a 3D environment. Really wish that they would have shown that or expanded on it. Cool idea as they are intelligent creatures.

[@SampoPaalanen]

+Stuart Foley that said there's a mention of "xendi" in one of the TNG episodes (can't remember which one though) so you can probably argue that is the Xindi, especially when remember that it's mentioned in ENT that Xindi Eventually join the federation

[@czarpeppers6250]

+Trekyards Regardless, still mentioned in TNG. ;) The whole vortex drive sort of bugs me though, if something like that exists why don't more races use it in TOS and TNG if it is so effective? Seems like its better than even that warp drives on TNG era ships, or at least around the same. Plus since the Xindi are part of the Federation you would think that they would have all the Xindi data on the drives.

[@SampoPaalanen]

+CzarPeppers I think the vortex drive might have been Sphere builder tech that they had given to the Xindi (but not told how to make and possibly even repair) so that even the vortex drive systems eventually broken down the Xindi couldn't replace them and had to revert to regular warp drive.

[@czarpeppers6250]

That's a good point, now that you mention it I think I remember them saying something like that in the series, could be wrong though.I think the vortex drive also had the advantage of not being effected by the spheres and gravity waves etc, so it would make sense that they would give them the technology to travel within the conditions of the expanse. Maybe the drives were all self contained, and if they tried to open them to study them they would self destruct or something.

[@bajaraemperor895]

im with the British kid here. i like the concept of the xindi being 5 different species making one race. the american bloke said " not very star treky" but it IS absolutely federation. hit me up British dude if you want to make some vids together. post script.sorry that i did not catch your name.

[@dragonweyr44]

How do they manipulate the controls because they have arms, hands and fingers to do so

[@DrDetroit941]

Well lets move a step before that and ask... how did they master fire and the steam engine? How did they develop an agrarian society?

[@tonywilkins9616]

Hi guys With regards to Stuart not liking the Xindi given they are never mentioned again but when we consider how big the Federation is in the 24th century it is possible that the Enterprise and DS9 may not have anything to do with the Xindi who could be on the other side of the galaxy for all we know. I enjoyed the Xindi arc

[@DavidKnowles0]

More concerning is those sub space thingies the xindi use to travel. But weird that they were never mention before hand.

[@thribs]

I'm British and I call them seasons. Only British shows call them series.

[@markplott4820]

question ? do you consider the next generation blueprints cannon ? what do you think of the whale tanks that the enterprise D has ?

[@Legatvs1]

Great episode. NIce dynamic between the two hosts. A bit more drama and tension this time, as they disagreed a bit more passionately than usual, which made for interesting viewing!

[@apache-0verkill]

Why couldn't we see the earth romulan war.

[@johnathanalvarez7907]

William Lewis because fans sucked and gave up on the show when it got good

[@markmendel9883]

A stretch, but early in TNG they go to "Xendi Starbase 9"

[@vladimirljubopytnov5193]

you sure water freezes into ice in vacuum?

[@jediknight73]

what?? lol

[@sleipnirodin2881]

It's pretty cold out there man....

[@shokteenik]

The lack of atmospheric pressure would probably "boil" the water away, even if the temperature is very cold.

[@chumsky8754]

Heard of comets? The Oort cloud? There is more frozen water in the solar system than liquid water (including Earth's oceans)

[@shokteenik]

Of course, but the water first boils when it is exposed to zero pressure. It only freezes after that. Here´s what happens to urine vented to space from a spacecraft: "When the astronauts take a leak while on a mission and expel the result into space, it boils violently. The vapor then passes immediately into the solid state (a process known as desublimation), and you end up with a cloud of very fine crystals of frozen urine." So first the water boils away into a cloud, then the cloud freezes.

[@DeathBYDesign666]

It kinda reminds me of the wraith hive ship from sg atlantis, which came about just a year or so later. Hmmm I wonder if they took any design cues from that concept, because they both have that organic type design.

[@corbondallas931]

Capt....I TOTALLY agree....NX-01 was a holodeck program,Riker had a vision of what he thought the past Enterprise history should be.

[@jamesanimations6164]

Do you think they needed gravity in that ship?

[@josephllivingston1378]

What do we attack them with, anhydrous torpedoes?

[@donaldhill3823]

your entire argument against the Xindi reinforces my argument that they should just reboot and start closer to or with the Phoenix. this would give them the opportunity to clean up the time lines and retail some of the stories using modern Sci-fi tech. Oh ya and drop the whole time travel story line.

[@DavidKnowles0]

Awesome ship design.

[@michaelspielman4801]

Romulans Romulans Rimulans lol seriously when are there gonn abe other ROmulan ships.

[@followerofjulian1652]

0:59 Species, not race.

[@twotone3471]

Why would the Xindi have artificial gravity? Being in water, they are basically weightless anyway.

[@XTINFILM]

Did the other Xindi races have quantum torpedoes too? Why did the Xindi need to build a Death Star? The ships they already had should have been enough to defeat Earth, and it could have been done sooner. As powerful as the Aquatic ship is, I doubt anything less than a Dominion battleship or a Borg ship will be able to defeat it.

[@DavidKnowles0]

I doubt the ship that powerful. The sphere builders probably thought that a conventional attack could result in a prolong war. They figure at this time period earth had resources to resist any conventional Xindi force long enough for Earth to call in the vulcans and other ally races leading to a prolong war with Xindi supply lines extended over 50 light years. Possible even leading to the founding of the federation even sooner.

[@vegetac4]

You guys should do the sdf-1 from macross

[@nickryan4126]

How many people do you know that randomly bring up wars from hundreds of years ago in conversation? There's a 100 federation member races never mentioned but we know they exist.

[@ronniejacksonjr5607]

The xindi have been seaching for a new homeworld until they found it the 25th century although they still a member of the Untied federation of planets.

[@AaronHungwell]

Another Foundation Imaging re-use of a Babylon 5 wireframe

[@EcokadeBlogspot]

Aaron Hungwell Is that true? Is this based on the White Star wire frame? If so, that would be funny, bc this final product is sooooo much prettier than the plucked chicken!

[@Tremac26]

You know.... I like you guy's. I really do. But i think it's hard to call yourself an expert when you admittedly say things like, "I mentally checked out during the xindi arc." The xindi where mentioned in TNG "series" lol by Captain Picard and Datain sperate episodes. I may have my favorite episodes and least favorite. But I've watched; multiple times, every star trek ep. And I remember then all in detail. Just a thought of a fan

[@fearaday_5873]

My friend got Star Trek online and he tries to do the tutorial but the game crashes someone please halp

[@josephllivingston1378]

Hmmh, Klingons in "hand-to-hand" combat with an aquatic species sounds difficult.

[@MrYTGuy1]

There are plenty of examples of ships and species not appearing in later shows... Sorry but you're being emotional about your analysis and it's biasing your view. Plus it didn't happen in before tng. It happens after tng. much akin to the Kelvin timeline where history was changed AFTER those shows happened. It's actually a different timeline that despite the changes was able to reconverge with the future unlike the Kelvin one. The details and methods were different but we got to the same place in the end.

[@watchthe1369]

The dirty trith: When the expanse collapsed, it took the Xindi with them... The Xindi's Expanse is actually a globular cluster that you entered when passing thru that nasty barrier at the edge of the expanse. The "peaceful" Federation has a habit of forgetting wars, the Tzenkethi, the Xindi, and how many others? The whales and dolphins in the Enterprise D? Why aren't there Xindi?

[@williamsrussell1]

the sovi was 685 m long not 657 as you stated

[@SIG442]

This ship is actually classified as carrier indeed, or at least in the game Star Trek Online. I do not see why it would never be mentioned again, I mean the Xindi as race or the war, etc. Humans always remember wars that happened even before the current calendar started. Yet a few 100 years later this is forgotten? It does not seem logical, to quote the Vulcans.

[@RaymondConlon25]

SIG442 Not forgotten, just no situation where the event would have to be brought up in conversation.

[@mindcrimefilms5623]

+SIG442 How often did ship captains and their crews in WWII mention battles or tactics that took place in the American Revolution? Or even the Civil War? Just because something isn't mentioned in the later Trek series doesn't mean it didn't happen. It just means it wasn't mentioned on screen. I say that after the Xindi sphere was destroyed over Earth, the Xindi nations continued to fight their civil war while Earth and the newly-created UFP stayed out of it (having felt somewhat responsible for creating the new conflict between them) and then a century (or two) later, one or more of the Xindi nations joined the Federation. For all we know, Commodore Decker's chief engineer was a Xindi primate who died during "The Doomsday Machine" or that a Xindi-operated Federation ship was destroyed at Wolf 359. The notion that ENT somehow revised Trek history because certain events, planets, or species were never mentioned on the later series is a weak argument. Now if folks want to point out actual continuity errors, that's fair, but omission of past events is not a continuity error.

[@Dreadtothink]

Cgi in enterprise really took a dip in quality after voyager.

[@thorgustaafson8849]

They also wouldn't need to use as much power for inertia dampners.

[@hansolo4017]

they could not use vortex's because it needed the spheres.

[@Tzunamii777]

You call that "disabled"?

[@OakvilleAdam]

Ugh... Connie... It makes the Enterprise and it's class sound like a tampon or a general female hygiene product.

[@Hapokas112]

Cool.

[@MeganChic]

I don’t see how an aquatic civilization could have any kind of technology without being able to forge metal which would require heat which couldn’t be produced under water.

[@thribs]

They don't mention 9/11 as well.

[@bookfound]

Water does not freeze in space.

[@jamesmagill5433]

While I like this starship, I alway felt it would look better if it was backwards. Think it would’ve look more like aquatic starship that way

[@darthyoda000]

ok here is another thing that was never mentioned.....2 years after the formation of the federation there was the earth- Romulus war, THAT WAS NEVER MENTIONED!

[@robertmonroe6434]

Jack the awesome! The Earth Romulan war was mentioned in TOS "The Balance of Terror" That is when the crew of the Enterprise NCC-1701 Constitution MK1 class makes the first face to face contact with the Romulans leading to the realization of their Vulcan ancestry, prior to that all contact between the Federation and the Romulan Star Empire that established the nuetral zone and later lead to the UFP abandoning cloaking technology took place via subspace relay audio contact. Season 4 of ST:ENT was building up to 2-3 seasons of full war with the Romulans, the NX class refits, the production of the warp-7 Daedulus class and the build up of Starfleet, the foundation of the Coalition of planets which was reorganized into the UFP after the Neutral zone's creation.

[@mindcrimefilms5623]

+Jack the awesome! The producers of ENT have said that if the series had not been cancelled they would have gone on to show us the Romulan War. It, along with the Tzenkethi War and the Cardassian War, is a piece of Trek history that still has not been shown on screen in a canon production.

[@Dreadtothink]

In defence of enterprise writing staff, something I rarely consider. They were told to terminate the xindi story line and they probably was not able to wrap things up. My theory is the xindi suffered an extinction event, their star went nova is a classic, or an adjustment in the timeline off screen erased them from history. Personally I would have preferred the whole series of enterprise was erased from history, it was such a mess I don't even regard it as canon.its kind of in the same category as the animated series in my view But that is just my humble opinion.

[@mindcrimefilms5623]

+Ricardo Warner Except that Enterprise IS canon, regardless of your opinon of it. And there was nothing a "mess" about it. Sure it struggled in its first two years, but shit have you recently re-watched the first two seasons of TNG? It's god-awful on just about every level. Even ENT season 1 isn't as much of a mess as TNG s1 is.

[@Dreadtothink]

+Mindcrime Productions I know it's canon. But that is a very painful concept for me. As for TNG, it didn't get cancelled did it?, it grew from its troubled beginnings and instead it set the standard for modern sci-fi story telling let alone trek story telling. Enterprise was a poor quality show in comparison, the casting, the acting, cgi, script writing all deteriorated considerably. Season 4 improved a bit but generally the show is unwatchable. It wasn't Star Trek anymore in that it ceased being about original exploration of the human condition and lacked the mystery and wonder of exploring the Galaxy. Instead it relied heavily on fan service and already established ideas and tinkered with them with mixed results. It frustrates me to have to accommodate its impact on the franchise so in my mind I pretend it doesn't exist. I regard it in the same way as the animated series, and think "oh that's nice" but I will never take it seriously. Same with Abrams-verse.

[@mindcrimefilms5623]

+Ricardo Warner Well first of all, TNG didn't get "cancelled" because it wasn't on a network - it was syndicated. Plus, it was the only game in town when it came to sci-fi. ENT was on a network and it was in competition with about a dozen sci-fi series, not to mention the fact that audiences were burned out on Star Trek. This is common knowledge, so please don't act as if somehow TNG was superior in quality and that's why it ran longer. That's simply not true. As for your premise that it "lacked the mystery and wonder of exploring the Galaxy. Instead it relied heavily on fan service and already established ideas and tinkered with them," that is certainly a valid OPINION, though I don't agree with it. You could make the same argument about DS9 and many people believe that DS9 was the best series in the entire Trek franchise for those exact reasons. As for the animated series, it is canon by any objective measure. Every story was approved by Roddenberry, it was voiced by the series cast, and the plots were written and edited by TOS writers that Roddenberry hand-picked. The only claim that TAS is not canon comes from one of Roddenberry's production assistants who was trying to get his name in the trade papers. And frankly, even if Roddenberry did say he didn't consider it canon, that is him retroactively trying to undo decisions he already made and is beside the point. I will, however, gladly take your aside that the JJ Trek is an abomination which not only contradicts well-established canon, it simply is not Trek storytelling and has major internal plot inconsistencies that don't hold up under any kind of scrutiny. Neither ENT or TAS are in that category... you just don't care for them. Not liking something and pretending they aren't canon are not the same thing.

[@Dreadtothink]

+Mindcrime Productions no, TAS is not canon. Roddenberry sanctioned that personally. TNG is a vastly better show, if you grew up with ENT I understand your attachment to it. But it was not a quality show, I say again, it wasn't Star Trek anymore, just a pale imitation of its superior forbears, Its competitors such as Ron Moore's BSG outclassed it in terms of story telling and was a success. Every character had development and depth, every action had a lasting consequence. There was hardly any character development in ENT, and if the bridge crew were real they would never have been commissioned to crew a fishing boat let alone man's most advanced starship, they were totally uninspiring characters. Berman and Braga messed up with consistently lazy writing and an ill conceived story arc, it's very sad I know

[@mindcrimefilms5623]

+Ricardo Warner Well, I grew up w/ TNG actually and still find it to be one of the weaker entries in Trek. In fact, most of the appeal to me of TNG is nostalgic and the fact that it was pretty much the only game in town when it came to sci-fi on television. I find it interesting that you think that there was significant character development on TNG. With the possible exception of Data and Worf, there was really no character development whatsoever among the main cast. This is the case, btw, for pretty much all of the Trek shows except for DS9. The episodic nature of Trek practically demands a "reset" of all the characters by the end of each episode. As for BSG... I like the show but it became pretty repetitive after season two and it was pretty annoying how it tried to out "dark" all of the other sci-fi series. By the last season, there was no redeeming qualities in any of the major characters. FUN!!! And IMHO, BSG had one of the most ridiculous series finales of any sci-fi show (angels? really?!? a Bob Dylan song? really?!?). Ron Moore, much like Chris Carter, wrote himself into a corner that he couldn't get out of and just winged it in the last few eps. Still... it was amazing television for the first two years. Back to ENT... I will not defend Berman and Braga. Once they stopped meddling on ENT from day to day, the show actually got really good (have you actually seen the final season?). Similar to how TNG got better once Roddenberry was out of the picture. Was ENT the best Trek? Absolutely not... that would be DS9. But please. Let's take off the rose-colored glasses and stop pretending that somehow TNG was superior to ENT. That is just nostalgia talking.

[@beardedgent2178]

On Xbox one i own this ship. She is very deadly and beautiful

[@anthonyb5279]

When I rewatch Enterprise I skip the Xindi war.

[@Cragified]

/physics on While it looked cool as hell the whole water freezing immediately as it exited the hull ruptures wasn't accurate at all. Space has no temperature. There is no mass for the thermal kinetic energy to get distributed to, therefore in space the only way you can lower your thermal energy is radiating it in the infrared band which is not very efficient at all. Hence why white dwarves last so long, fusion less stars just gradually cooling down for billions of years. So because of this provided the water mass stays mostly together, hull ruptures would be quite survivable by the aquatic xindi, hell they could even end up floating in globes of 'boiling' water in the vacuum of space and be able to be rescued after quite a long time in comparison to an air breathing organism stuck in space where you have basically the time to brain damage from asphyxiation ~90 seconds for a human. /physics off

[@orumonuldor1340]

I think the Xindi collective was an interesting concept, but poorly handled. It should have been kept for AFTER the federation was formed. Then you had the idea of other species forming their own competing groups, while powers like the Klingons and Romulans remained authoritarian empires. How the federation would have dealt with that would have been worthy of an entire season of star trek.

[@corbondallas931]

wonder what the Aquatics thought of the abuses the humans did to the oceans of Earth? A "Save the whales" turn about....Star Trek 4 anyone?

[@RaymondConlon25]

Corbon Dallas Probably don't care since it's not their oceans.

[@Cythil]

Nor would they have know about the many species that had gone extinct due to human activity. On a cursory glance you can not really say what has happen to a planets ocean. (Sure we see if polluted at the moment. But the full history is not know form a glance. And I am not sure how polluted the water are at the time of Enterprise.)

[@nox5555]

just use the planet killer to destroy the xindis in the last ENT episodes. everybodys loves the planet killer! and nobody would had to worry about no xindi in other series, they just would have been another lost racenobody remembers.

[@christenorio9555]

section 31 cover up

[@Intrepidthegenuine]

Xindi did not exist because Enterprise never happened!

[@czarpeppers6250]

+Intrepidthegenuine Except for the fact that the Xindi are actually referenced in TNG.

[@Intrepidthegenuine]

Can you provide some evidence for this please?

[@czarpeppers6250]

"The Xindi were first referenced in Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "The Battle" (the captioning spells them "Xendi," but they were pronounced the same way). This episode was set in the Xendi Sabu star system, as Captain Picard notes in the introductory log entry. Later, Picard receives his old ship the Stargazer, and Data informs the bridge crew that a tug-ship is to take it to Xendi Starbase Nine. This is seen to fulfil the words of the time-travelling Crewman Daniels in Star Trek: Enterprise, who two centuries earlier reassures Archer that the Xindi will one day be a part of the Federation."

[@hansolo4017]

yes it did. kelvin was post Enterprise pre TOS

[@Intrepidthegenuine]

it is one thing to have a star system named in a similar fashion to the race featured on enterprise, but that does not mean the race existed. And I couldn't give a rats ass what daniels said on enterprise because that show is not canon, it ain't star trek.

[@tedsheckler100]

Enterprise and everything attached to it was a screaming abortion that helped kill off the Trek franchise and downgrade it to the T&A bang bang-fest that Abrams made it into. That and Berman's total ineptitude.

[@ejungleska]

tedsheckler100 IMO Voyager started the downhill trend. They turned the Borg into pussy cats. They teased you with creating new (Federation) threats like the Horigen and Species 8472 then in the end made them non-threatening. it's okay to create aliens that you can't negotiate with.

[@tedsheckler100]

Agreed. Paramount writers don't really try very hard at all, do they. Things started to go down hill when Berman had more control over things. Once Roddenberry passed away it was all over.