Trekyards EP283 - USS Gagarin (First Look) (Discovery)

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[@mikep1592]

FANtastic job gentlemen. Loving how you two are breaking the ships down. Hoping to see the Commander making a 3D render of your own ship design. As always, please continue making it so.

[@PicardManeuver]

I love the fact that it's a rotated Walker-class, it harkens back to the kitbashes of old! Plus, it makes sense from an in-universe perspective- if you've got a viable platform, it makes sense to try and adapt it for as many specialized purposes as possible and save time and resources on developing a totally new design from the ground up. (See: Galaxy/Nebula, Miranda/Soyuz etc. etc.)

[@colanitower]

Many ships based on the same components at the inside, looking different on the outside. Like different cars based on the same internal technology and engine variants. Volkswagen, Toyota, BMW, PSA and others do this. Some ships try something new, sometimes succeed, sometimes fail. Discovery as a parallel to the VW Phaeton. But overall, this is an efficient line of ship designs that can be built in numbers and in many variants for an expanding Federation.

[@NihilusShadow]

I like the Discovery ships actually. They're one of the few things about Discovery that doesn't bother me. A lot of them, like the Gagarin for example, actually remind me of post-ENT era ships. Just like we see Miranda and Excelsior-class ships still in service in the 24th century, these are most likely late-22nd century designs that are still in service in the 23rd century. The loss of these ship types in the boarder conflict will probably mean Starfleet is going to have to design new ships to replace them and these new ships will take inspiration from the Constitution-class. Which will make them more TOS in style by next season.

[@Blade_Runner_79]

NihilusShadow I don't mind the design for the discovery but I have a huge problem with counter-rotating spinning saucers. Needing that mechanical component in order to initiate a faster-than-light travel mechanism has always been shown to be a mix of different types of matter and other types of drive a kind of thrust and Other Stories sometimes something even ethereal. But never on the order of having these gigantic spinning hull plates without explaining what it could possibly do with spores existing in other dimensions and also the effect of the ship flip-flopping up and down back to forth when it comes in and out of Spore Drive is truly cartoonish. Some point and stops looking cool in advanced and starts looking like a show for small children. And then they'll turn around and show a body ripped apart in a fairly gruesome manner. The show just doesn't know what it wants to be because it didn't open up the Star Trek book from page 1 and stick to the primary rules within which to tell a new and interesting story.

[@NihilusShadow]

Oh I hate the USS Discovery's design. It's the other Starfleet ships on Discovery I don't hate, lol.

[@MLPDethDealr32]

Then your alone. I hate Discovery over all. None of these ships fit with TOS and ENT continuity. They'd be better if it were Kelvin. I dont understand why people are defending this show when it does nothing but spit in the face of ESTABLISHED CANON for Trek.

[@keirfarnum6811]

“Boarder conflict?!” Did surfers, snowboarders, and skaters have a go at each other? I didn’t know there was such animosity between between the boarders?!

[@saladinbob]

24:28 in. Background left. What ship is that? It looks more TOS than any ship we've seen so far. Similar to the Saladin or Miranda classes (not sure if one or two Nacells). It even looks like the Nacell is a cylinder as they're meant to be in this era.

[@saladinbob]

And that raises another point. Would it kill them to throw in some well known designs as fan service?

[@commodorerook3797]

I just wonder why we have not seen any established ships yet. If they are planning on making the Constitution look all weird, then I don't want to see it.

[@saladinbob]

S C well being able to complain is about the ONLY positive of STD so far.

[@Blade_Runner_79]

No I think at this point people would be over the top grateful for any tiny bit of fan service!!! It's what the show needs and would show a possible Direction as they promised to a more TOS era and give people some freaking hope.

[@alfredmullett5925]

I remember a comment from one of the designers a long time back that basically said that drive color basically could be related to the manufacturer (Vulcan, andorian, Ford,hemi,etc. ). So at least in my head canon drive color doesn’t really make a difference. Each drive supplier may be different in the details. Just my thoughts.

[@NihilusShadow]

The Class-J starship was also given blue bussards by Michael Okuda for TOS-R, so we've technically seen them before in the 23rd century. The Class-J was antiquated by Kirk's era though. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Class_J_starship

[@ericwalter7124]

My only problem with this star trek series is the Klingons are why over designed. And I hate their ships!

[@jackfraser1807]

I think everyone would be an awful lot happier with the new Klingons if they opted to modernize the original Klingon ships rather than create entirely new, non-Klingon ones.

[@MLPDethDealr32]

No. This show is a slap in the face. Stop defending it. Its trash in a true fans eyes.

[@andipawlik3468]

I never imagined I would say this about a Trek series, but the Klingons are the dullest part of the show. Their ships, their language, their appearance, their motivation and behavior. Nothing seems to work out, at least for me. And I used to love Klingons on TNG and DS9, also on TOS. The rest of Discovery is actually pretty decent for a first season of a new Star Trek and overall I do enjoy it very much.

[@jackfraser1807]

+MLPDethDealr32 Nobody in this thread is defending it you nugget. Stop giving us a bad name by throwing salt around in every direction without thinking first.

[@jackfraser1807]

Would just like to point out, as someone who has experience with modelling, that the new ship really doesn't look like a kit bash. It has a very similar design but that's definitely very different geometry.

[@SLDFSpectreSix]

What's REALLY neat about this ship is that in Star Trek Online, the Federation make a 25th Century(?) version of it, and it's actually one of the best battlecruisers for Federation and Federation-aligned captains in the game. -It's got a vicious loadout of 5 foward weapons, 3 aft -It's versatile, you can build it to tank or deal a LOT of damage -It looks great -It's sturdy Personally I wasn't going to bother with Discovery, but I received the Discovery Consitution-class, the Gagarin and Crossfield as gifts from friends so I sat down and watched Discovery to see what I was getting myself into.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

With a few little alterations? What? They look wildly different.

[@1garysan]

Blue bussard collectors must be the newer ones. Enterprise B is a great example of this and we hadn't seen glowing bussard collectors between the constitution class and the B as Constitution refits and Miranda class had black grilles over the bussard collectors in the movie era. The next time we then see red bussard collectors are on Enterprise C and D which I guess you can assume is a different evolution that's resulted in the red colour.

[@DrewLSsix]

Gary San. The Enterprise B had blue bussard collectors.

[@1garysan]

That's exactly what I'm saying by "Enterprise B is a great example of this".

[@DrewLSsix]

Gary San. Ah, I missread your post lol.

[@1garysan]

No worries. ;-)

[@jati]

I really like Discovery a lot. The stories are interesting, so are the characters. The visuals are stunning. Discovery proves that Star Trek has a place in the present. I have been watching Star Trek since reruns of TOS. And I am so happy that it finally made the jump into the 21st century. It seems that it left some fans behind that are stuck in the past. But that happens when you boldly go...

[@freagarthach4228]

USS Gagarin is a vivid example of "high" budget of STD. It's clear that production team is going all out creating unique ships for us to look at... or wait, we cannot, they are all blurry and distant... and blue... and explosions after hitting shields, but not the hull, are there to "enhance" the blurriness of it.

[@jackfraser1807]

I really don't think the CGI is very well done for Discovery. It's not awful but hardly amazing and very forgettable. Really frustrates me how there's a very inconsistent design style throughout pretty much every ship.

[@AlekTrev006]

The Federation ships are at least ....Federationy (so to speak). It's the Klingon ships that are almost unforgivable. The Tomb Ship I'm okay with, as it's supposed to be a relic from a bygone Klingon age. Okay, cool - no problem with that one. But as the Trekyards boys have shown in past videos on the Bird of Prey and D-7 Battle Cruiser....well... it's almost impossible to explain why they look so drastically different from what came before, and from what will come after (in 10 years, from the time Discovery is currently in). In fact...if we assume Disco does well (Ratings) and keeps getting renewed for 5-7 years (typical Trek series run, in the 90's, was 7, I think ?)... we'd be at the point (potentially) where in just 3 years (from the end of Disco), that Kirk and Spock should be having their missions together, in the 1st season of The Original Series ! And if Discovery is STILL using these crazy Klingon designs, to the very end, we'd be stuck having to wonder how they go from a fleet like has been shown, to the D-7 shapes seen in TOS.

[@freagarthach4228]

Clearly someone didn't get the irony of my statement :)))

[@jackfraser1807]

I did, and I was agreeing with you.

[@freagarthach4228]

My bad, didn't get much of a sleep...

[@gmat6441]

Alan Shepard, second man in Space, first American in Space and fifth man on the Moon. Commander, surely you knew that. Alan Tracy apparently was named after him. Great video.

[@longtimber]

Me thinks the Captain needs to confine #1 to his quarters until #1 reads or watches "The Right Stuff".

[@godalmighty83]

Do you guys talk about the ship at some point or is all of the video bussard colours?

[@Durakken]

In the episode they give the death tally at around 400ish for the attacks. This means that each ship compliment is around 100 which puts it in the same size and such as the NX-01, 1701, Voyager and most of the ships we see in the federation.

[@terifarley4770]

I really like the idea that Starfleet reused an older design, its a bit of efficiency that is actually fairly cannon with TOS era! In verse at least going by the spin-off tech books about TOS ships, many are just minorly different from others. I like both Gregarian and Shenzhou.

[@TheLittleMako]

The silhouette is certainly similar in your comparison shot there, but I'd say that there are enough alterations to the saucer as well as the nacelles that saying it's "exactly the same" is a bit unfair. Still, it's interesting to see what a difference upper vs lower-slung engines makes to a silhouette's "feel".

[@WaybackTECH]

Nacelle's look a lot alike Enterprise-E Nacelle's, just more primitive. I'm guessing red collectors are older ships, blue are the newer, then century later we go back to red.

[@andipawlik3468]

I was reminded of the Enterprise E nacelles, too. About the collector's color schemes I find it worth mentioning, that red and blue are on opposite ends of the spectrum of visible light, so if the color is more than just a design element, this would insinuate that they collect different elements. It's maybe like some internal combustion engines use gasoline, others use diesel.

[@colanitower]

+Andi Pawlik Nice analogy. Remember VW's Dieselgate? If the writers read this, we might get a Bussardgate episode, with at the center of it Harry Mudd selling Adblue crap that should be red or Adred crap that should be blue :)

[@andipawlik3468]

Colani Tower ...nice idea. Those blue bussards could be responsible for the damage to subspace later mentioned in TNG.

[@lvl10cooking]

Mebe they are red and blue based on which gases they collect and hold? Or thier current charge state? Hydrogen Alpha filters in astronomy are red. Or maybe it's based on who is designing the nacelles? Andorians, humans, vulcans, tellerites all have different design themes going for them, and even with those differences, they are making a nacelle matched to fit starfleet ships, so we wouldn't see the rings, wedges or bulbs sticking out the back, and designs just started gravitating towards the human template later on.

[@alexbarrett3832]

Someone needs to remind them that a lot of space actually isn't dark. If you are between an M class planet and the star it orbits, then by definition your ship should be in full daylight. I love most of the new Federation designs, but it would be nice to actually be able to see them.

[@pixelforge4858]

the best looking ship on the show. it should have been the discovery.

[@doczolfer3523]

I almost agree, but then it would look like an NX class, (two prequel series in a row, with the same ship design, nah)

[@doczolfer3523]

Ok, there are a few huge differences between this ship and the NX but the similarities are there.

[@jamiebrown8408]

@@doczolfer3523 I agree, it feels like a next gen version (not tv show next gen lol) of the nx class!

[@detpackman]

how many different versions of the miranda style class ship do we see over time in trek? maybe the ships that share the shenzhou style are similarly designed like the different mirandas , where they take a in-service space frame and make adjustments for a new "class"

[@shdwfx40001]

When your extra ship looks better than your main ship...

[@dvin5092]

Mandalorian Supercommando Yep, every time I use my Star Trek pizza 🍕 cutter I see the Disco.

[@masseffect8297]

Sad but true. At least the other Starfleet ships in DSC are decent. The USS Gagarin looks fantastic.

[@colleenjin8794]

Lol yeah

[@ricksfbay]

but then EVERY SHIP looks better than your main ship, QEII, Titanic, etc

[@Moghause]

She's growing on me though.

[@logosofgame4273]

I presume that it's called the Shepard class after Alan Shepard the first American in space. But is that not an oddly American centric name considering Gagarin was the first in space?

[@fredwicks8256]

Well we are Balls deep in the Fall finale....ba- ta-bump- bump-Ba ...I'm Lovin it!!!

[@ericwalter7124]

At least the star fleet ships look like star fleet ships. I don't know what the hell those things are they call Klingon ships.

[@AlekTrev006]

Totally agree. The Federation ships could all pass as Federation ships, in any era of Trek (though certainly they have a bit of the JJ-Abrams flair to them, but its 2017, so I understand some of that, visual enhancement). The Klingon ships are horrific though. I excuse the single Tomb Ship, as an ancient relic vessel, from the Klingon's past....but all the other craft - "D-7", "Bird of Prey", "Raider (fighter)".....all unlike any Klingon design ever seen before (or since, technically, since this is a prequel series). I have no idea why they couldn't just take D-7 (TOS) and modify it, but retain the basic shape / superstructure, etc. That would be a "visual refresh" but still be "an actual D-7". , for example.

[@reverendbernfriedaxewielde8443]

The Starfleet ships look like from STO.

[@gedizaksit]

I think they are cling on ship. They cling on to the franchise. Honestly they feel more like deep space 9 era exotic gamma quadrant ships (ship of the week). I am curious to see how these spiky ships will converge to the TOS aesthetic.

[@mangalores-x_x]

The greatest sin of Star trek and Sci Fi in general is that alien ships look different although supposedly using the same technology as humanity (it's okay for aliens supposedly using entirely different tech). If that is the case and everyone uses Warp one would expect the Klingon ships to look more like Federation ships. Particularly war ships (and pre 20th century they would double as exploration. patrol and survey vessels) would be designed for highest performance. You don't see the Russians building ships fundamentally different just because they are Russian. They build for the same parameters the US does so their ships look similar, it's in specifics they differ, be it the actually installed weapons, their specific role in the fleet and its doctrine, different material basis or simply tradition.

[@OpenMawProductions]

The Klingons didn't always use similar technology, though. That was homogenized creep over time. In TOS/TAS they had very distinct technology.

[@driftbandit4740]

I like the design of the ship. And yes, l did noticed it was the Shinzhu upside-down. Still, cool design.

[@mattmon6118]

It reminds me of that deck plan photo you were talking about all those weeks ago that was leeked and you thought it was not the Walker Class, and it ended up being used for the Shen Zhou. But it bears a better resemblance to this ship with nacelle placement and no strange secondary hull bit that the walker class has (it just beeds to be flipped).

[@benhedgesvlogs]

They should have used this design for the Discovery. From a certain angle it reminds me of the Enterprise J

[@FactsDataTruth]

Wait a minute... In the fleet picture you have a ship at the bottom left of the Shenzhou. Looks a lot like the Discovery with red nacelles. Is it just me or does anyone else see it being similar?

[@Capronice]

I like the Gargarin. It reminds me of the NX . I like that position of the engines.

[@CommanderMouse72]

Gagarin immediately made me think newer NX

[@stevegarner3077]

Good stuff. Have you done the Dervish class from Star Trek Online?

[@danieljones8559]

I'm currently trying to put together a list of all federation ships in canon and sadly I haven't seen this series

[@JJ-eg4zm]

The Gagarin may be newer then the discovery as there was that time lapse in between episodes. Also we can assume this ship was some sort of cruiser as it was patrolling the border.

[@MrBlackburnftw]

The Europa was the flagship so is it possible it was assisting with research into the experimental spore drive system hence the blue b-collectors? Also, the TOS b-collectors flashed between blue, orange, and red. Is it possible that the continuity is the amalgamation of technology results in the multicoloured b-collectors.

[@redshirt0479]

There's also another possibility that explains the registry numbers, one that's technically already canon. Ships like _Shenzhou_ could have been older ships that were recommissioned to help free up newer ships to deal with raids by the Klingons, free up speciality ships, or because the Federation was growing faster than expected and ship production couldn't keep up. The Kelvin Timeline's _Franklin_ was a United Earth Ship originally but was commissioned as part of the early Federation Starfleet as USS _Franklin_ NX-326. A ship that was old and outdated even by the standards of the day, but a registry higher than the more advanced _Daedalus_ class starships like the USS _Essex_ (NCC-173) or the USS _Horizon_ (NCC-176). This would also neatly explain why _Shenzhou_ still had phase cannons in her arsenal and why an older _Walker_ class starship would have a registry higher than a relatively new _Crossfield_ class starship like the _Discovery_ or _Glenn_ . As for those two, I think Stamets was slightly exaggerating when he said that the were built to accommodate his research. I think Starfleet took a couple of canceled hulls that were partially completed (and thus had a registry number attached) and retrofitted the incomplete hulls for the experiments. And while I'm here, I think we've been looking at the design lineage the wrong way; namely, the assumed order. Starfleet rarely changes the exterior of a class, so one built late in a class's life will often look virtually identical to the original prototype. I say this because in the original series bible the first _Constitution_ class starship was launched in the mid-2220s, something supported by the low registries of the USS _Constellation_ (NCC-1017, TOS "Doomsday Machine") and the USS _Eagle_ (NCC-956, "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country") and it's also supported by how much of the visual design is similar to the previously mentioned _Daedalus_ class which was completely retired from service in 2196 (TNG: "Power Play"). Which means that the _Discovery_ era designs being later could be seen as intermediates between TOS and TMP instead of being between ENT and TOS. From that point of view, attributes like blue bussard collectors and boxy nacelles would make a lot more sense.

[@doczolfer3523]

Trekyards, Do the Constitution refit engines have a bussard collector inside of them? or do they not have any? which brings me to my next question, are bussard collectors even needed? because some ships like the Klingon d7 lacks any, and the Excelsior (which has transwarp drive engines) doesn't have any either.

[@Kaiber_Phoenix]

Its a good looking ship that again reminds me of the nx aesthetic (saucer, 2 struts, nacelles on there arches , impulse drive in the end of the struts and a section of some kind in between the nacelles ) I'm also curios to see what the enterprise in this show looks like at it was although briefly mentioned in this episode and am curious to see it's design

[@thirstcontact2799]

Here are my thoughts: Shenzhou is 40+ years old at the battle of the binary stars, Constitution class is about ten years old, Shepard class is newer than Constitution but older than Crossfield class, other classes depicted with blue bussards could be somewhere between two and five years old and iterative steps towards the refit style.

[@KallenSC]

hey guys, do ever think about review ships from older games like Birth of federation, or Strafleet Command(1 and 2)....specially with other spicies like Lyran, Mirak, Hydran, Gorn and Interstellar C?

[@AsTriK101]

do you think they will actually show a constitution class in the show?

[@Buddy74656]

I enjoy both the Gagarin and Shenzhou. I think you're right these are small ships probably light cruisers. The Admiral says that 462 people died on the Gagarin, Muroc and Hoover so I'm guessing about 154 for a crew complement. I also am intreagued by the Gagarin's Captain. T'Shen Kovil sounds both Vulcan and Andorian to me. I'd love to find out more about him.

[@enterprise-h312]

I don’t think that the Aztec pattern works on this design like it does on the Enterprise-refit. The lighting doesn't help either. I have the same issue with the TNG movies where the lighting detracts from the ships. It makes them feel lifeless. 15:22 They reminded me of the weapon pods on the New Orleans-class.

[@VEN0M415]

I really like this ship and I have to agree with you on the nacelle design, I really really like it! It almost feels like an Enterprise E nacelle with the faceplate off and that's whats underneath. three Bussard Collectors.

[@ShadowStarNX-00]

I see the USS Shenzhou and her class as being Exploration type ships like the Nebula,and Luna, were as lower Nacelles look less aggressive, and i see the Sheppard class as a Escort Type or Battle Ready Ship with its aggressive stance like the, Sovereign Also What if the Blue bussards are 1 type shielded bussard and Red is a newer Shielded bussard type only fitted to Explorers and escorts at this time as discovery is a research ship ,and the admrials ship would be use for ambassadorial roles

[@bobwill]

My understanding for the red bussards is simply due to hydrogen having a red emission spectrum, since they are there to collect interstellar hydrogen. Could the color simply be tied to level of activity? Of course, the Gagarin wasting energy to collect hydrogen during combat seems a bit odd. It could be tied to tank fullness. But, parts supplier that others have mentioned makes sense. Also, something I remember reading at some point was that Matt Jefferies wanted the first two numbers of the NCC-1701 to indicate that class, and the last two to be the hull number in that class. So, the TOS Enterprise was meant to be the 17th starship class design, with the Enterprise being the first commissioned hull in that class. This would explain the wildly variable hull numbers, as not all numbers would be used in he series, for instance in real life, the Yorktown class aircraft carriers in the USN during WWII only had 2 or 3 ships (including the CV-6 Enterprise) so, using that scheme, those ships would be like NCC-301 NCC-302 and NCC-303 But, the next line of carriers would be the Essex class ships, and there were 24 of those. So, NCC-401 through NCC-424 Of course, Discovery supposedly being a brand new hyper advanced ship would cause problems, given that this system would make it the 31 ship of the 10th class of ship. One option would be that the Discovery her sisters are actually old ships that went through TMP level reforms, where it was essentially rebuilt from the ground up; but, was originally an old hull.

[@kourgath223]

That sounds like a decent way of dealing with the registry numbers but I want to make a correction and then mention a continuity issue with this idea. First the correction. Typically the first ship in a class is named after that class, USS Yorktown (CV-5) being the first of the Yorktown class. Following that rule the first ship of the Constitution class would be named the USS Constitution and since the Enterprise is NCC-1701 then the USS Constitution would have to be NCC-1700 if we follow the idea that the last two numbers are production order (in this case we have follow programming rules where you typically start counting at 0 rather then 1) of that class and the idea I mentioned above. Of course sadly the idea you mention falls apart once you look at the list of Constitution class vessels: NCC-1700 (Presumably named USS Constitution) USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) USS Defiant (NCC-1764) USS Hood (NCC-1703) USS Lexington (NCC-1709) So far so good but now it falls apart: USS Constellation (NCC-1017) USS Excalibur (NCC-1664) USS Exeter (NCC-1672) USS Intrepid (NCC-1631) USS Potemkin (NCC-1657) Those are all Constitution class ships but they are below 1700.

[@bobwill]

Kourgath223 oh yeah, I think the registry numbers at this point are simply FUBAR. 😀

[@kourgath223]

Yeah I mean the idea you mention is the method I would probably use if it was up to me because it would help to keep things organized but at this point I have to agree the registry numbers are FUBAR and the only way I can see to fix it without a hand wave "Please ignore these issues" would be a hard reset of the entire series.

[@bobwill]

Kourgath223 I mean, there is one option, if you look at how MAC addresses on computer equipment are done, the first 1/2 of the address is to denote the manufacturer, and the second half would be for the specific unit out of that manufacturer. So, in this case, 17 could be the designation for the San Francisco Orbital Shipyard, and 01 would indicate that Enterprise was the inaugural hull produced in that yard. So, the discovery could have been produced in whatever shipyard was designated 10 and she was the 31 hull produced there.

[@bobwill]

And, the make this even a little more consistent, the letter designations would be used to indicate that this ship violates standard hull numbering procedures.

[@captianjessie1]

The uss star gargarin looks to be an updated nx class for closer to pre toss amd the back impulse engins kinda look line the united earth starfleet nx class impulse engines also the docking port at the back of the uss gararin lokke like ue starfleet bact to nx class docki g porty for the main enginering section

[@MonteLeeMyPOV]

I cant even understand what the english guy is saying when he says his name.

[@Slavir_Nabru]

Agree, I started watching this channel just before Discovery started and I've still not caught his name.

[@Blade_Runner_79]

Hello you must be somewhat new to the community. Welcome. On the left you have Captain Foley and on the right is Commander Cockings. It's become a bit of an inside joke that he is a bit quick and energetic in his speech and some people aren't used to his style at first. It's a bit of an inside thing at this point and become a Hallmark of the show so now you know, next time you hear it it'll sound clear as a bell! They cover the whole English speaking world between their two accents so I think they do a great job. One of the things that makes this Channel Unique is the hosts do not just spout technical specifications but truly bring their own personalities and flavour to the shows which for me makes it much more interesting and I wouldn't want them to change a thing. So welcome and as you listen to it becomes easier I promise!

[@AlekTrev006]

The Queen's English ! God Save the Queen :-) (and I'm actually American, but Britain is awesome and the accent is always a treat to listen to, I find).

[@phoenixheart79]

I'm British and I have yet to understand his name when he mumbles it at the open of a video, he literally speed mumbles it, but then is wonderfully clearly spoken for the rest of the episode. Every. Single. Time. I only know it from comments lol

[@RotalHenricsson]

A great design that continues STD's theme of having very nice post-Voyager designs for background ships, and a Pizza Cutter as Hero Ship. Also, i SEE what you mean with the Shenzhou, but i don't mind. I LIKE the Shenzhou.

[@terifarley4770]

Im happy you said pilot, and not astronaut! Alan B Sheppard would be grateful to you!!!

[@NephritduGrey]

Hm, couldn't it be that they have two seperate types of deflectors operational in terms of testing which one works better? Like active prototype tests where the theoretical resulsts are put to the test. Seems Starfleet is all over the board now for experimental tech, so the Connie might simply be a ship with already tested equipment hence not the best of the best in terms of what could work but the most reliable tech. Which could also explain why they get upgrades/refits between the Cage and TOS itself, or in the series. Would be nice if the Disco itself gets more upgrades/refits over the course of it's run, maybe season 2 already, to fit closer to a TOS/TMP look, or they go ahead and set Disco in an alternate universe to slve those problems/issues.

[@alexandersmith3725]

The registries can easily be explained away as a civilian prisoner making assumptions about an older ship that just went through a massive refit.

[@IfWeShadows]

Best ship design in Discovery so far by a mile. Upward slung nacelles, what a novel idea. I still don't care for the white lettering, though.

[@brentc2411]

The constitution, specifically the enterprise, was built for long term deep space solo voyages, so it makes sense they would only use old proven technology on it, rather than anything that could have unforeseen problems.

[@mysticvirgo9318]

Not that many variations of the saucer and twin nacelles , guys.

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

I know right?

[@nadennight]

Blue, red, they're just different wavelengths along a continuum, and not that far apart along the EM spectrum. It's just a slight shift in frequency so I'm not too bothered by it. There are no distinct colours in nature. Blue and red could be a result of different tuning. Blue (short wavelength, high energy) implies hotter, more concentrated energy with higher precision requirements and short range effect, while red (long wavelength, low energy) implies cooler, broader effect. An analogy might be a modern high rev'ing 3 litre V-6 vs an older low rev 5 litre V-8 which both produce 200 hp but at different torques. For example, a smaller compact ship may have blue tunning requiring smaller nacelles for higher responsiveness at the cost of lower reliability, increased maintenance, and higher energy burn rates; a larger exploratory vessel might use red tunning which could extend the sweet spot of the warp effect with higher efficiency, reliability, and less need for fine tuning, but at the cost of relatively larger and heavier engines and lower response times.

[@robertphillips5181]

you were talking about the right buzard..... the glow is differnt. :) it might have taken damage from what i can see and perhaps the entire inside is now red glow instead of blue glow :/ after all that was whare it was geting hit before

[@techraan]

Is the Gagarin and the Kerala the same class of ship?

[@MrPingn]

It works for me. Seems to fit into the era and tech.

[@MetallicaFan1442]

Really nice starship design

[@BrightStarLine2022]

So far best looking Federation ship.

[@MrSven3000]

what collectors are these red shiny things ?

[@trekman8121]

Another great episode from you guys. I did notice to similarities between this ship and the Walker class and it made me think that starfleet are just getting the most out of the design. Why not flip the ship to make a new class if it works. Looking forward to the next episode guys keep up the great work. Live long and prosper.

[@dredg0r]

Well the shenzhou has been established as an old ship, possibly this new class is the replacement that's why it looks similar and shares the same symbol on the computers....

[@robertphillips5181]

iv always thought of it as more of a time when people were experimenting with differnt ship building companys perhaps. and then they find one which is why tos ships all look like tos ships and then in TNG new companies took over which meant that differnt companys had differnt ideas for ship deisgns. engines and stuff

[@onetruekeeper418]

Wasn't a ship similar to the Gagarin already shown in Enterprise? But that ship will be built several centuries into the future.

[@Graytail]

Possible reason for blue bussards, Andorian tech? Thats why the TOS phasers were blue after all...

[@derekrankin7842]

I thought the Discovery was more a light cruiser tonnage and the Gagarin more a frigate. Taking into account that the discovery would have been designed before the Klingon war began and maybe adjusted with addition combat capabilities during the final stages of construction. This line of thought is due to the Constitution class being a heavy cruiser and Discovery originally a scientific and test bed ship.

[@pondafarr]

I believe they are SIMILAR, but the "secondary hull" area is completely different, different nacelles (the front of which is more like the Discovery nacelles), different saucers, etc. Given most SF ships are built in the same yards, you can expect certain design concepts, but to simply proclaim this is an upside down Shenzhou is glossing over the details.

[@bug1701]

The Sleek Drinking Game continues! =D

[@IamTheSherm]

I like these shows you do. I want to see an episode on the Olympic Class.

[@mchamb70]

Ship class #4 on Eaglemoss in the Discovery collection

[@donaldhill3823]

Ship looks cool.

[@surealmagic9670]

I did not notice it was just a semjo upsidedown .I like the design and I thing its 143 ft tall 1381 1453 feet long / about 730 foot wide.

[@tempest0392]

The excelsior refit GOT blue buzzard collector too tho

[@nickd1961]

Your videos make baby Gorns cry

[@beutlerdan]

We have now seen the Discovery Jump while at warp.

[@tempest0392]

Maby my favorite ship in star trek Discovery beside the Discovery itself

[@nathand.9969]

Given the size of the ship, the quantity (Three shown on screen already), and it's apparent less robust design than the Shenzhou, I suspect that the Shepherd Class is a Destroyer or Heavy Frigate. A mid to lower mid range starship designed to be easily produced in quantity, less resource and crew intensive, and less survivable than Cruisers, and Heavy Cruisers, but also able to defend its self is most situations. Over all given the size of the ships in the Battle of the Binary Star, I'd say the Shepherd Class is most likely Heavy Frigate, the Shenzhou a Destroyer, and the Europa a Light Cruiser.

[@nathand.9969]

Possibly, but Given that the Constitution class is the heavy Cruiser of the day so to speak at only 11 years old, and that the Europa appears to be roughly only 3/4 the size of the Constitution class, my impression is that the Nimitz-class would either be medium or light cruisers sacrificing some armaments and some of its firing arcs for the sake of speed. A medium, or light, cruiser would make fitting command for a task force commander holding the rank of Commodore, or Rear Admiral given that there are only about 12 known heavy cruisers in the federation fleet.

[@samwms2116]

I Love It!... just the way it is!

[@Wirrn]

I don't think its fair to call it the Shenzhou flipped - its the same basic shape yes, but all the parts are different

[@gedizaksit]

I generally like the design of this ship. It has the long nacelles that fits the discovery's ship style. The thing I dislike is how the ship registry is intersected at the C and 0. I would prefer the characters to be on the hull uninterrupted, perhaps with a smaller font or with clever spacing so that the characters aren't intersected by ships parts like this.

[@Spartanjp308]

It makes total sense to me that its an evolution design.

[@phoenixheart79]

Although there are clearly many design similarities to the Shinzhou, I think there are sufficient differences to make it a unique design, kind of like the Miranda and Nebula are basically the same design differentiated only by a few differences and the design aesthetics of two different centuries. Given these two are closer in creation than those two the shared design aesthetic of the period mean they look far similar than the Miranda and Nebula.

[@DarkAngel-by6yd]

Guys can you please take a look at Tamarian deep space cruiser its a cool ship

[@rofflestomp684]

Perhaps they are using different wavelengths to excite the hydrogen and antihydrogen. They are currently bathing antihydrogen atoms with light at a frequency of 243 nanometres, a kind of ultraviolet light, while doing real life antimatter experiments at CERN.

[@CommandLineVulpine]

How in the world did this ship end up so much better than the others? We gotta find out who the designer is.

[@thomasduncan4074]

Nice looking ship. Better than the Discovery, but seems more fitting for the post-TNG era. I mean, just look at those warp nacelles. Reminds me of the Enterprise-E.

[@CullenRick]

She's a really nice Kelvin design.

[@MichaelWilliams-star-trek]

Love USS Gagarin!

[@doczolfer3523]

I need to see some better pictures before I make my final decision on whether I like it or not.

[@drxshock6957]

Looks rather NX-ish to me. I like it, although the non-round Nacelles still annoy me

[@rover213]

i like it, altho probably a bit more lighter in coloer, to get closer to tos... maybe

[@alancarter3142]

beautiful ship 🖖

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

the moment when you realize that this is supposed to take place "10 years before Kirk", and we know for a fact that "10 years before Kirk" the Kelvin already existed, in BOTH timelines, and the Kelvin design lineage was already established. specifically, round nacelles, round collectors, circular main dish hulls, protruding deflector dishes, and white hull plating. canon timeline or alternate timeline,..... WHY on the entire Alpha Quadrant, WHY, would they ditch that design lineage to introduce THIS one, of square everything, only to ditch it again during Kirk's canon time, alternate or main. any way you look at it, that spells " L A Z Y W R I T I N G " all over it. there's no way even Saul Goodman could defend this.

[@jimskywaker4345]

well the uss kelvin didn't look tos either

[@davfree9732]

But can you kit bash when all your ship's are CGI models?

[@saquist]

beautiful ship

[@demoscat]

The Shepard class is most likely named for astronaut Alan Shepard.

[@williambuckbee4366]

The bussards could be blue because of the connection to the mycelium network.

[@philippschmidt80]

I don't think the Gagarin looking like a flipped Shenzhou is a problem at all, there are only so many configurations you can do with a saucer, nacelles and maybe a secondary hull. So the basic design being identical is a non issue (there are differences in the details), components being identical isn't a problem either, that has been a thing in Star Trek for decades, the real life reason is often kitbashing models but in universe it makes sense too, why would starfleet redesign everything for every new ship class? It's nonsense to expect every class to look unique.