I might have some tips: - ping between the middle and rear end of the enemy, that way if they turn out or in, the homing will compensate for them turning or slowing down - shoot torpedoes at the predicted position as if you were firing dumbfire torps. then only ping when the torpedoes are half underway, that way the enemy has too little time to course correct - shoot torpedoes with a 2 second interval, that way they can't dodge the entire wave, even if they have hydro on - shoot torpedoes only at enemies that are coming towards you or show their broadside, there is no point in trying to hit enemies that run away - you can shotgun from maximum depth by pinging and then firing torpedoes, meaning you can kill enemies that hydro search for you - never try to ping enemies from close range using hydrophone, too many things can go wrong, you give away your location at close range, the enemy can still DCP it and at close range, the torpedoes do not have time to course correct - depth charges drop to 30m so you take less splash damage on 60m or on the surface - drive at 90 degrees to the enemy when pinging, that way you are least likely to be accurately ASW bombed
@hyperbeetle101910 ай бұрын
Those tips help a lot! But can u tell me the best sub for a beginner (to learn how to play subs correctly and kinda easy to play)I am just starting the game and planning to be a submarine main
@unowno12310 ай бұрын
@@hyperbeetle1019 german subs are incredibly overpowered, just make sure to not charge, try to stay at near maximum torpedo range.
@hyperbeetle101910 ай бұрын
@@unowno123 ok, thanks for telling!
@AidanDracole Жыл бұрын
A good follow up would be a guide on how to play against submarines (for each other artillery boat class/with each type of ASW/with and without utility consumables) as this is a very common topic of... complaint, shall we say.
@trenlass809 Жыл бұрын
will come soon aswell :D
@AidanDracole Жыл бұрын
@@trenlass809 Good stuff, looking forward to it.
@InfraRedLXIX Жыл бұрын
At the minimum, its content for us and ad revenue for you. That being said, You, Potato Quality and Sea Lord Mountbatten have basically summed up ASW by telling people that they should play subs as to get a more intimate idea on how to properly counter. Not sure how specific you could be outside of this video lol but I'll watch it anyways
@HecticNova Жыл бұрын
Bad, bad. Stop. I don't need more people dropping depth charges on me from no where.
@MrSCOTTtheSCOT Жыл бұрын
If the sub is alone with no support drive at them if your above them they cant torp you but attempting to do that and retain a HP pool well keep spamming your asw and hope your team have an IQ to support. The amount of BBs that are in range of a sub yet can't grasp using their asw is shocking ....... Other than that if your out numbered , either leave and try to use a lot of islands if you can to block tracking of torps sent your wayor stay out of range , which with range of some sub torps aint easy if they know what they are doing.
@mobadisko Жыл бұрын
Sir, your video is the most helpfull, straight to the point, honest, and no BS please make how to aim accurately for new player like me
@uhli7126 Жыл бұрын
Good Guide👍 I like that you mention certain things that more experienced players would take for granted. Keep it up, thank you for the video
@donaldmorse86894 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info! I've been watching your vids for awhile. Finally got my first sub today. Fun game play, thanks again!
@andreiandy3922 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Trenlass! Thank you for sharing!
@Tazzie13378 ай бұрын
Lovely Video. I love that you explain everything you do and what you expect of the enemy. 10/10
@HermitGeek Жыл бұрын
Really need something like sub surveilance for DD's, hate when you think you're on top of them depth charging but they slip away...
@hannoveraner1787 Жыл бұрын
OMG ich liebe die Thrasher!!! Mein absolutes Lieblings Sub und auch ich hab die 2501, die 4501, die Balao und die S-189, aber keine macht mir so viel Spaß wie die thrasher. Faszinierend. Du hast auch gar nicht erwähnt warum die Tjrasher Hydro limitiert ist: sie hat einen schnelleren Ping Intervall als alle anderen. In Verbindung mit der Tauchzeit und der Torpedo Anzahl (die übrigens mega gut tracken) ist die thrasher ein Monster um bestimmte Zonen (wie den Cap) zu bearbeiten
@gstormcz Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sub-stance(xd) of submarine play tactics and usefull modules and captain skills. This lesson made me finally sub-scribe for more content. I saw already your coal, steel, RB ships guides, but also few more vids. I am glad you comments are in good English, as my fragment of Deutsch would require probably some time spent in German surroundings. Your uploads with some humor and speech with German accent makes videos not just watchable, but also comfortable to understand what happens in your game and reasons of your decisions. Keep doing welling.
@unowno123 Жыл бұрын
he is so right about the british submarines, it's a very cool concept, a big battery and slow speed but its also super un-fun and not very strong as people can charge you down with hydro without problem and you can't as hard as other submarines they should probably start by giving thrasher a 29 surface speed and 25 underwater speed or something. but it gets better as the british hydrophone is only 6 km range, not 8 km, so your hydro has less range than your surface spotting.
@SypheRKnightАй бұрын
Excellent video... Gameplay much improved.
@Metroidf4n Жыл бұрын
Gameplay starts at : 12:45 for those that need it. Do watch the entire vid tho. Good info.
@Masta-Blasta Жыл бұрын
will surface torps hit a periscope depth sub?
@BlackHearthguard Жыл бұрын
If you're lucky, you'll hit the sail according to a different video (Yuro).
@Masta-Blasta Жыл бұрын
@@BlackHearthguard Thank you! Yes, since I've asked this question I have seen your answer to me accurate.
@paulgebhart1413 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Very helpful.
@HoshikawaHikari Жыл бұрын
Good for learning how to play subs, and how to counter them.
@klmnts Жыл бұрын
Informative! Finally a sub guide not by a potato. Now I don’t need to play subs to figure out their perks. Subs (especially Gato) are still really stupid though. Sub gameplay incentivizes the average player to yolo shotgun every match, which is equivalent to having T2 DD gameplay at TX. I feel I lose braincells after each match at a higher rate now.
@mellownchill2748 Жыл бұрын
Tks Trenlass, I finally got it how and why those bbs started to shoot me and drop me without spotting me... I got probably Hydro. I got most the mechanic of subs but did know that everybody could see you when hydrophone on. I gave a try to subs, they are here so why not. Had a 60+ WR with US/German sub from T6 to T8, I grinded the British T6 to 8... my sub WR drop under 50. I have the feeling british don't bring so much impact and game influence overall. I play my sub as a dd, drop torps around, very few ping... stealth is key. Sub are easy to counter most the time and can be drop by almost anyone with asw even through mountains etc.. Way easier to deal with than CV at 32km sending you wave of planes.
@raulc.33375 ай бұрын
Very helpful, thanks. I,ve got the u2501 and it is being difficult to learn how to play it, it's quite different from the tier viii, no rear torpedos. I used to play better games with the u190 than the u2501....
@DarthHunter5 Жыл бұрын
One thing I didn't quite understand yet: What difference does 30 and 60m diving depth make in terms of game mechanics?
@trenlass809 Жыл бұрын
apparently you take less damage from depth charges
@DarthHunter5 Жыл бұрын
@@trenlass809 ah ok, thanks! Was expecting some differences in detectability or sth. like that and couldn't figure out any difference in the end 😅
@hyperbeetle101910 ай бұрын
Hey guys, just starting out wows, I wanna play submarines , what's the best sub to start with? And any reason why subs seem to be hated everywhere? And what submarine should be my end goal?
@trenlass8098 ай бұрын
German best submarine radar
@smipth Жыл бұрын
thanks for the guide. what is the situation that you would go max submersion depth?
@trenlass809 Жыл бұрын
if you get spammed by asw to reduce damage
@reggylippens6259 Жыл бұрын
very good guide love it
@JohnSmith-ux3tt Жыл бұрын
We need a video on how to play against them ( for example against my Hipper ). The only rational action at this stage seems to be to run away.
@BlackHearthguard Жыл бұрын
Kiting = Winning I guess.
@johnnybarbar743510 ай бұрын
Would the 4501 use the same Capt skills or would you trade AR for Superintendant to get extra heal, battery reserve and DCP?
@trenlass8098 ай бұрын
Na its fine tbh
@ZaRaK4 ай бұрын
nice video.. good tips... ... i tried ~20-30 times to turn the camera around by moving my mouse xD
@Wingsteed8 ай бұрын
This is excellent. Can you update for the latest changes?
@trenlass8098 ай бұрын
I will eventually but most stuff didnt change regarding builds
@mitchrc3 Жыл бұрын
At tier 10, average damage of German, US and UK submarines are all about 36k. Underpowered. Roughly the same. I don’t understand why people offer opinions without checking basic statistics which will confirm or invalidate their opinion.
@michiganufosandparanormal Жыл бұрын
This is a great guide, thank you! I would like to see you talk about strats and strengths of the American subs. BTW, the Soviet premium S-189 has a 9km ASW hydrophone like the Germans but also the long DCP like the US subs which I like to use the DCP upgrade in slot 1 for having that longer non-flood/fire if I get dropped on but also not being able to get pinged by an enemy sub immediately after a DCP use. I have my Balao up to a 22.1s action time for DCP with a 51s cooldown which can save your butt when things go wrong and they usually do. 🙂
@Dropbare Жыл бұрын
Slot 1 you want DCP. Slot 2 engine is useless on submarines so you take DCP. Slot 4 prop' mod only if you plan on starting/stopping a lot, otherwise planing.
@dkdragon0 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much ❤
@PaulchenMarkus Жыл бұрын
Question: What can uncover me as a submarine in 60m depth and looks like a hydro as a symbol?
@trenlass809 Жыл бұрын
the submarine survelance
@PaulchenMarkus Жыл бұрын
@@trenlass809 danke dir und weiter mit dem geilen Kanal. Grüße in den Norden
@chrissullivan6574 Жыл бұрын
Great Guide. Going up US Tech, finally got Cachalot. Still learning how to control it mostly. This gives me a lot of good info once I can steer it.
@PaulchenMarkus Жыл бұрын
super good. Thank you very much! Question: Is it true that as a sub at pericope depth I can no longer look as far as a surfaced sub? Thank you and keep up the good work Greetings to the north
@MAJmufin Жыл бұрын
Yes, you then spot ships by their air visibility ranges. hence dds being in your face suddenly
@PaulchenMarkus Жыл бұрын
@@MAJmufin great thank you very much!
@itsReiWoWS Жыл бұрын
I love submarines
@alal5688 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great vid. A Short Question concerning hydrophones: Am I spotted if I use it on the surface or on periscope depth or below pd? Or am I never detected?
@trenlass809 Жыл бұрын
you are spotted if the enemy sub uses it and you are either above the surface or on periscope the only way to not get spotted is beeing in deep water
@trenlass809 Жыл бұрын
also it only works for you if you are on periscope or deep water, if you use the hidrophone yourself on the surface it wont work at all
@antiqas Жыл бұрын
Trenlas, you make another factual mistake at 20:00 planes can spot you at periscope depth. It's even the same distance nearly as at surface.
@trenlass809 Жыл бұрын
yep but only the saying atleast i said you need to be in deepwater right afterwards :D
@IBullZeyeI3 ай бұрын
ive been trying to play DD some and im on the T6 Cachalot and it is about impossible to get hits on anything with it i swear... i can be 8km from them and launch torps maybe even ping and it seems like even being that close they always dodge because im against competent players. and then if im at my max range they are definetly going to dodge even when i get a ping off ... i mean im talking people are doing full circle turns. Destroyers always seem to YOLO me and i only have 10km torps and so i have a very small 1km-2km between my max torp range and any BB ASW that just spams me with their ASW...
@OggyGTA3 ай бұрын
You have to get closer and pick off the lone ships
@suburbanview Жыл бұрын
Clear as water, very helpfull for DD players trying to kill Subs LOL Most Sub players keep pinning while surrounded by enemies, just stupidly hilarious
@antiqas Жыл бұрын
Hello Trenlas, at 9:45 you make a factual mistake. Hydrophone spots NOT only on the map, but also on normally. However it only does so for you and it does so in screenshot manner every so often so you need to estimate the spped etc of the ship.
@ttristan3 Жыл бұрын
Finally, thanks Tren!
@jaynus17 Жыл бұрын
I think you missed an opportunity to show how to play sub vs sub, detection mechanics, how to sail while shooting pings to avoid ASW
@paolocurreli28662 ай бұрын
Hello! Is this post or pre nerf?
@trenlass8092 ай бұрын
Pre nerf :( but most still counts in this guide
@shironee_2384 Жыл бұрын
As much as everyone thought british submarines sucks, I do think that they're the only proper implementation of submarines in this game right now. You DO get outrun by DD, You DO have the maneuverability enough to be confortable but hard enough to pull off shotgunning. It's not the entire class of submarines are people tend to complain about, it's just the U2501 and Balao that are full of BS
@SeeHunde6 ай бұрын
i main subs and on a new account doing the brit line i've played 100 games without watchful and find it pretty useless
@unowno12311 ай бұрын
2:05 I know this is 5 months later, however the british subs don't even have more dive cap, if you take the german sub dive cap, and add the reserve battery charges to it, you get more dive cap on the german submarines there no reason to play the british submarines, they are inferior in every single way to all the other lines. a guy who has 500 hours in only subs on the WOWS discord forums posted an entire list of what is wrong or too powerful with each specific submarine
@KnightRiderowner5 ай бұрын
I clicked this for the title im trying to play submarines so...HOW TO PLAY AS SUBMARINES!!!!
@MrJeffro56 Жыл бұрын
GG! Good rundown on submarine gameplay. It seems by your description of the abilities of German submarines that they are the easiest to use.
@haggeoromero Жыл бұрын
This is a great video, learning how to play subs well teaches you how to play well against them too…for all of the whiners out there.
@asmodom5057 Жыл бұрын
Wait WHUT?!? ... this is gonna be gud :D
@B4RDOCKTTV Жыл бұрын
Record subs in a day matching twitch incoming ? 👀👀
@MrDonleon65 Жыл бұрын
And DDs have “shit” based ASW, so true another reason why subs have no place in this game when the class that was suppose to hunt and kill subs are the worse class for it.
@billblack831 Жыл бұрын
The dd was not just designed to kill subs. They served many purposes. The ship that were designed to kill dd are not really in the game. They are basically Water down dd that are slower then a typical fleet dd and are cheaper to make but they designed for escort and Coastal defense ships hence their name of escorts. Now dd can also do the escort roles but dd are primarily with the fleets and escorts are with convoys.
@jacobbarrett7441 Жыл бұрын
how are you getting so much xp
@clefsan Жыл бұрын
according to Flamuu, submarines as a class get a buff to earned base-xp
@B4RDOCKTTV Жыл бұрын
Bomb content as always! Even if it's a sub video 😁
@alvinoaryaramadhan8779 Жыл бұрын
If you know how to play it you will definitely know how to counter it - wiseman
@ukchris64 Жыл бұрын
So namy vids on how to play subs now the ones who don't wil watch tem to learn what they do, subs are unplayable right now and german subs should definately have the 'schnorkeling capability like the real ones did
@ryannolfe9051 Жыл бұрын
I can't even find submarines in WoW. I don't know how to play as them. 🤷♂️
@MrAlbutiu Жыл бұрын
👌.
@MrDonleon65 Жыл бұрын
Trasher is still faster below surface then it was above surface and twice as fast as it was below surface. And ypu dont understand why majority hate this class since it have nothing to do with realiity.
@kevinwhite66729 ай бұрын
For those sub players you ma like this link KZbin channel: .... How Killer U-Boats Battled the Royal Navy
@Peter_472 Жыл бұрын
You should really get a pop filter for your mic, it sounds to bad
@ataaamic6321 Жыл бұрын
Let's say hypothetically someone chose to play British subs because they felt that they were the most 'realistic'/fair to fight against. What tips would you give to that player on how to at least be mediocre
@suburbanview Жыл бұрын
PLEASE STOP HELPING SUB PLAYERS As you know, Subs are just already spoiled by WG.
@APOLON-bm7ym Жыл бұрын
You can watch all clips regarding how to be a better wows player, and 90% od the skills will be gained by playing it... I also hate subs, they are boring to play yet they can easily destroyed great games. Looks like WG wants us, ship players out of the game, acc to what they do.
@daemonkiller4920 Жыл бұрын
Oof I just got my first sub and it’s British
@hiddentruth1982 Жыл бұрын
best way to play a submarine in wows. step one don't. step 2 don't do and step don't do it.
@mitchrc3 Жыл бұрын
“Many do not know how submarines work.” But that does not stop the constant whining and complaining.
@robertshaver4432 Жыл бұрын
How dare you teach sub players to be better! lol
@trenlass809 Жыл бұрын
because they might also help your team :D
@luke_3_113 Жыл бұрын
Sorry Trenlass - I'm not watching this; I never want to play subs or CVs again! Might be informative about defending against them, but I'll move on :P
@ateampossible Жыл бұрын
Why?
@smaug9617 Жыл бұрын
And that is why you hate it , because you don’t understand how they are played . So you will always lose to them and hate them for your own mistakes.
@luke_3_113 Жыл бұрын
@@smaug9617 Sort of, yes, just got destroyed by a sub, but a cancer in the game, that I don't want anything to do with. Tried a few times and boring as hell!
@clementwilliams39511 ай бұрын
What are cvs
@jamesstevenson311610 ай бұрын
That’s like complaining that the pitcher throws a curveball and you refuse to swing at curveballs… ya gonna get struck out
@floppa2928 ай бұрын
Dem more talk😅
@Shankx19887 ай бұрын
am besten garnicht .....
@janas86pl Жыл бұрын
this is toxic guide
@OrszágTükör_202410 ай бұрын
Sub players get instant report from me. I hate that even a dumb a-hole 4x% winrate player can travel through the whole map undetected and show up next to a player sending free and lethal salvo or just doing nothing the whole game. This class also enforces the majority of the non-SUB players to stick to the end of the map close to their own spawn area playing sharp-shooters just to stay alive and avoid SUBshit. Do not misunderstand me TRenlass is a good player, way better than me. What I am trying to say is that it was a huge mistake to introduce this class.
@trenlass8098 ай бұрын
Well they cant do that anymore
@rainerlovesjapan94688 ай бұрын
How to play Subs with BROKEN HOMING PIECE OF DING?!?! Its ridiculous. Making me want to quit in the middle of the match.
@SeeHunde6 ай бұрын
very easy to dodge if you know how to play, just get better lol
@PxNxWxGxW Жыл бұрын
Im so glad we dont have subs in legends.
@jbktiger8 ай бұрын
Even easier than your tips, easiest way is to just not play them.
@trenlass8098 ай бұрын
Or to not comment :)
@jbktiger8 ай бұрын
Meh...didnt mean that against you, my apologies. Just a snarky comment on the state of subs (less after rework) and CVs in game. I can see how you took that as directed at you and the video. I apologize, was not the intention. @@trenlass809
@ukchris64 Жыл бұрын
Every single game now the teams just leave you to fend for yourself probably due to hatred of the class got so bad now I almost alt f4 nearly every game, beggining to hate WoW's now more than I hated WoT's. With WG, anything british is usually crap, Subs, CV's you name it al crap, same in WoT's
@trenlass809 Жыл бұрын
well malta is busted and their cruisers are great , dds strong and bbs busted
@KolbotForever Жыл бұрын
Don’t play them. Ez clap.
@duncand96488 ай бұрын
damn you for teaching people how to play this terrible, awful, toxic class
@trenlass8098 ай бұрын
:)
@newmanpc425311 ай бұрын
wows aim suck. it has the worst aim in aNY GAME I EVER PLAYED
@IroN_BabY972 Жыл бұрын
It is simple - dont play them....
@chrisriker5422 Жыл бұрын
How to play subs....don't. Wish everyone would just quit playing subs and CVs so WG would stop pushing them. The sub hunting class is so anemic in that role, if you don't have plane based ASW you may as well just stand up from the keyboard and let your game end. 50% of the time at least even after clearing a ping the torps still track. CVs and subs do not belong in this game.
@trenlass809 Жыл бұрын
while I disagree with the sub statement it wont change anything ^^ they will stay and atleast I can help people how to play with them
@pedrohicken3884 Жыл бұрын
I bought the gato in defiance. God bless America. And subs.
@clefsan Жыл бұрын
WG are the Masters of Sunk Cost Fallacy. They have invested in submarine development, so now they will do whatever they have to to get a certain minimum percentage of the playerbase to play that class. Same was done for CVs after the rework, btw.