Triumph TRIDENT vs Honda CB650R [QuickTest#5]

After 3 weeks with my new Trident 660, how does the Honda CB650R feel in comparison? Do I regret my choice? Suspension, power, engine noise, brakes, seat comfort and riding position..
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[@bushy1962]

Well done, another very good review, told in a way anyone should be able to understand what each bike has to offer 👍

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thank you, Darryl :)

[@toofastnobrakes]

I dunno, I have to disagree with the feel of the cb650r. To me the looks are a perfect blend of modern and classic “which is what it’s going for”. And I’ve never felt like it was just tame or sensible. The curves of the tank, the classic looking round led headlight, the beautiful forks and wheels. The cb feels and looks sexy to me! And the top end rush of the in-line 4? I wouldn’t trade it for anything other than its 1000cc bigger brother

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Fair enough. As I said, it all depends where your priorities lie and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, after all. Both are excellent bikes :)

[@toofastnobrakes]

@@RocketMan_Moto agreed 👍

[@PeterAqualung]

Despite the smooth shade casting on the Honda, it is coming up a winner for me.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

As I said, it all depends where your priorities lie. Both are very good bikes :)

[@Transilvanian]

Same for me after trying both no matter what as Adam Waheed said the more cylinders the better

[@peterroda4181]

I agree, I prefer the cb650r all around

[@cielobrazil]

I agree with this.

[@keltecdan]

I just don’t like how dim and cheap looking the dash is on the Honda.

[@thatoneleftist]

Bloody good comparison! I thoroughly appreciate your consistently measured, calm demeanour in your videos. With all the various brand fanboys and -girls making far more clamour than sense, your insights stand out to me because you’re not in the business of telling me “what I should think” about this or that bike 😁

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks for your kind words of encouragement, Christian :)

[@michelbrisebois4317]

I ordered a Trident without a test ride and I even never saw one. Changed my mind from a Vitpillen to a Triumph. Quite sure I won't be disapointed. Nice review.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

You won't be, Michel. The Trident is one of the best bikes I have ever owned :)

[@patrickolerini7460]

Hello Michel, just a couple of personal questions for which i apologize ahead: which country, how tall r u and how much you weight. As covid restrictions got harder in my country, im unable to go see one or test one :D thats why i ask for the info. Cheers bud

[@michelbrisebois4317]

@@patrickolerini7460 5'10" and 220 lbs, from Canada. It will be my second Triumph, I keep the 1st one, fourth bike I buy.

[@rehanbadiwale9675]

@@michelbrisebois4317 I am planning to buy the trident me and my wife both have the same height at 6ft we both are slim build will we fit on it?

[@michelbrisebois4317]

@@rehanbadiwale9675 I know that at 6'2" you begin to get a bit cramped, but TechBikeParts are planning to produce lowered pegs for it, enough ground clearance does permit the lowering (about an inch lower but it makes a difference). The Trident does not appear to be the best choice for a pillion unless for short occasional rides.

[@trap7196]

Awesome! These are two of the bikes at the top of my list!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Hope you found my comments useful. I don't regret choosing the Trident, but it's a close call :)

[@trap7196]

@@RocketMan_Moto Yes, I did find this useful. I was leaning pretty hard towards the Triden already, but have gone back and forth a bit. This definitely cleared a few things up for me. Many thanks!

[@cosmoscience2092]

I almost never like videos but I’ve like all of yours I’ve watched. It’s like ASMR for motorcycles. Informative and relaxing.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks 😊

[@Peter-Parkey]

You're doing a tremendous good job with your well spoken and elaborated reviews. Keep it up the good content!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thank you :)

[@Tiilhouse]

That sunken boat/ship/vessel in the harbour is an awesome backdrop!! Nice vid 👍🏼👍🏼

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks. Yes, the boat made for an unusual back drop, especially as it was in the harbour and so close :)

[@pookiewookie7679]

Lol

[@gromit368]

Thankyou for your thoughtful approach to reviewing these bikes. Your insights are invaluable. I support of your comments and after a week on my new trident, I have to say that the suspension is quite firm and I look forward to it bedding in. I have the 40kw Aussie version (learner version) of the Trident and its really nimble and powerful enough. I love it. I'm 54yrs old and 173cm tall with normal hands. No problem with reach to the levers as some other reviewers have mentioned (Deadpool hands? ) and my legs are in a comfortable position. I'm shorter than 'Rocketman' and it fits me like a glove. Both my two boys and now my wife, are keen to get their licenses after their experiences on this bike. My previous bikes: FJR1200, BMW1200ST, CBR1000r, XJ650 Turbo and a Suzuki TS100. I'm still running it in and there is no buyers remorse. The opposite in fact! If you are thinking about seriously, just get one! Best motorcycling decision I've ever made. :-)

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks, Pico. I do prefer my Trident, but it's a close call, and I would have no doubt been perfectly happy with the Honda, had the Triumph not been around. Ride safe :)

[@Kw80808]

Great video, I pre ordered my triumph trident on January. After watching some reviews of the Cb I wanted to go with it since I thought the trident looked small. If I'm not mistaken trident is 4in smaller than the cb

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I was surprised by how cramped the Honda FELT, even though on paper it is the larger of the two bikes. You won't be disappointed with the Trident :)

[@Kw80808]

@@RocketMan_Moto thank you

[@urbanfireblade]

@@RocketMan_Moto I've read quite a few owners of the Tridents are not too happy with the delayed throttle response, has this not bothered you on yours?

[@johnDukemaster]

Well done. And in a nice nononsens way. I have a -19 CB650R with 30 000km on the clock. I lowered the footrests with brackets. Really easy to do. And a higher handlebar. Not much, just a couple of cm. But much better for me, 180cm and 80kgs. Absolutely top quality bike in every way except the surface on the rims. Be careful when changing tyres. My rear brakecalipre scratched the surface when removing the wheel. When braked in the fuelconsumption (my bike) is 24km/litre. Really fast pickup and most, even bigger and stronger, bikes are left behind.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks, John. I do prefer my Trident, but it's a close call, and I would have no doubt been perfectly happy with the Honda, had the Triumph not been around. Ride safe :)

[@gabrielespina4537]

I bumped on this channel yesterday and I really like it. I think the guy has a sort of unique storytelling, at least among motorcycle reviewers. Congrats.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thank you, Gabriele. Much appreciated :)

[@Shinysideup]

Nice comparison, I couldn’t help but think your delivery and presentation reminded me a little of James May . That’s a compliment by the way just incase your not a fan lol.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Haha, yes you're not the first to draw that comparison, Ian :)

[@niceviewoverthere4463]

I will smell a rat if and when the oo-gauge trains come out!

[@manuelight]

No way the CB looks old. It’s a masterpiece design wise. That, the cheap service/reliability and the fact it is a bigger bike pushes me towards the CB650r over the trident.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Enjoy

[@derekschulz7813]

The timeless look, and those header pipes on the Honda has it winning for me. I'm 6'4" though so I don't think I'd buy either.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I think both these bikes may well be too small for you, yes.

[@WillysPerformanceCycleCtr]

Excellent comparison and valid points to consider when choosing any bike in this size/price range. Honda’s are usually highly reliable and have good resell. But, the Triumph certainly wins in looks! Tough choice. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the Yamaha. Ride safe.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks, Willy. Yamaha comparison coming as soon as possible :)

[@PatrikMichl]

I am looking for comparison with XSR 700. I am deciding between these two. Your comparison will help me a lot because of lockdown I have no chance to test if for myself. I am interested the most in seating position and leg room. Thank you for your channel. Great work.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks :) I will be testing the MT07 or XSR 700 as soon as my local dealer opens up again. They are not allowing test rides at the moment.

[@TheLentastic]

When does the new XSR700 come?

[@PatrikMichl]

@@RocketMan_Moto prefer the XSR 700 because of seat height ;) Thank you.

[@PatrikMichl]

Tried today Trident vs XSR 700 - I am 6 ft (183 cm). I was not driving it just a try in shop. Trident looks and feel small and stiff. I feel more comfortable on XSR 700. Is higher and softer. Handlebar is closer to driver too.

[@stanleyblazeraznik6047]

You have a soothing voice. As if riding the CB650R relaxed you. I like the looks of the Trident for sure. I also like the idea of that power band being linear on the Trident.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

The Trident is a great bike. I'm very pleased with it :)

[@NecrosisTerminal]

I find that the non-preference for a more sporty driving is mainly an opinion and NOT A NEGATIVE POINT. The reason why I chose the CB650R was precisely because of the sportier stance. IMO, a lot of the negative points you make are mostly personal preference and not necessarily a problem. Other than that, it's good to see both sides of the coin, as I too had the opportunity to buy the Trident 660 but went with the CB650R.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks for your feedback

[@megashega]

Nice review! A piece of friendly advice: please try to include more of the bike sounds through the video, together with your VO. I feel like we are missing some of the fun and exhaust sounds which is always interesting for a bike enthusiasts. All the best!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I hear you, but unfortunately I have yet to find an acceptable means of recording the sound of the bike :)

[@obionecoyle3295]

Another great comparison 👍 You have the most easiest to listen to voice on KZbin 👏

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thank you :)

[@pistolpete6321]

Great comparison video, looking forward to hearing your views on the MT07.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks, Pistol. The MT07 review will be coming as soon as I can get the new 2021 bike :)

[@bjrniversen9008]

Thank you, Sir. And may I say - you have a very pleasant voice😎

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks, Bjørn :)

[@s4m130]

Beguiling rocket man

[@DoRC]

Being radially mounted theHonda brakes have to be four piston as opposed to the two piston sliding calipers on the trident.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

True! Well spotted, that man :)

[@mgma2005]

Thanks for the review like them both. Have to drive them myself to feel the difference between a 3 and 4 cylinder. Like the Neo Sport style but the front of the trident is also pretty, the tail & seat look too short and the taillight verry simple. But..... saw the Trident only on a screen so who knows. Like to see the comparison with the MT07 the master of torque.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks. They are both fine bikes, but you do need to try them to see which one is right for you :)

[@bfarm44]

The flawlessness of Honda notwithstanding I have several Hondas in the garage constantly. No Triumphs but having ridden the Trident I would pick it over the Honda without pause. It offers larger ergonomics for me and the sound of a triple isn’t available through too many manufacturers. It’s just a personal choice for me with more than enough Kawasaki’s, an odd Suzuki and two Hondas I’d pic the Trident

[@RocketMan_Moto]

The Trident was one of the best bikes I've ever sold :)

[@vitvrbik4346]

Good video but it would be more fair if you compared the 2021 model cb650r which have different bars, fork and update screen with bigger font..

[@RocketMan_Moto]

True, but unfortunately the new model isn't in dealers yet :(

[@alexanderi7332]

Great review, gonna drop a deposit for Triumph in April ! First bike

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks! I don't think you'll be disappointed, the Trident is one of the best bikes I have owned. Great first bike :)

[@pjakpjak7000]

I own a cb650r 2019. I spank it around the track every weekend and commute on workdays. Pretty much perfect for that. Although I feel abit too big for it sometimes (187 cm 100 kg). Also, good review, I subscribed and am excited to see more content.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Glad you like your CB. As I said, it's a fine motorbike, just doesn't excite like the Trident does :)

[@aGentleUser]

I rode the cb650r 2 years ago and it was nice. But did not convince me. At lower revs it felt less powerful as my NC while on higher revs the engine sounded annoying for me. Did not try the trident so far, of course it looks more modern, it is 2 years newer. Especially the gauges on the triumph are so much more appealing then on the Honda. But recently I rode a 19 years old Honda Hornet 900. And the engine, the gearbox, the handling, I was surprised how good that felt. Especially the engine. Very firm on throttle, elastic and surprisingly swift on lower revs, impressivly powerful when pushing to the limits. The classic gauges are nice, the sound was not loud but provided emotions, really nice, if it would have at least abs... Only the street triple rs felt that emotional to me. As much I like the triumphs look, I feel many of them won't last without repairs like these Hondas do. But on the other hand these old hornets are still sold at over 3000euros in Germany, compared to that a new trident is an excellent offer.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I do like older bikes, more visceral than many models today. The ST RS was too mental for me and I sold it. Ride safe :)

[@KppG-dn6zf]

I test rode the 675 triumph street triple rs and the cb650r and i will say the cb650r suits my needs as a commuter and i totally agree that these machines are built for different purposes. I honestly liked both bikes however the cb650r is more controlling with the power and i can see that it is forgiving but the street triple just eggs me on and it's full of excitement and very powerful to a point it can get myself into trouble (i want to be a sensible rider). I wish i test rode the trident but i already have my heart and mind set on the cb650r ❤️

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I sold my 2017 Street Triple RS because I was sick of riding everywhere 'at 100mph'. The Honda makes a more sensible choice as a commuter.

[@kb34958]

Hi Rocketman, I have owned the Honda since June 2019 and I did find your review interesting. When I bought my bike the Trident wasn't even on the horizon so I wasn't able to compare them but I' m hoping to put that right when the UK comes out of lockdown. There were a few things that you mentioned in your review that I'd like to address. First of all your aching wrist and fueling. I came from a twin and initally I found that getting away was a bit unpredictable, requiring a fair amount of clutch and throttle juggling. However after a while I got used to it with a combination of muscle memory and the anti stall function that raises the revs if a stall is detected. At first I was unknowingly fighting it and over adjusting as a consequence! Secondly, re the brakes and suspension, the CB has Nisin radially mounted 4 pot piston fronts and Showa Big Piston Separate Function Forks, both of which are mechanically slightly superior to the ones fitted to the Trident. Where the Trident is superior however is the tech, the TFT and riding modes etc. Thirdly, the styling. I find that the Triumph is more tradionally styled and a little safe - except for the rear end which I' m not sure about at all! The CB, at least in my eyes, looks more dynamic and possibly aimed at younger riders? Lastly, the size. Yes the CB is a compact bike, especialy with the tail tidy that I've fitted but it does make it feel sporty which I personally like in this sort of bike. I' m 5ft 9 and it fits like a glove but you have to bear in mind is the target market for each bike, The Honda will be sold mainly in the Far East where a lot of people are of a smaller build and they will be big bikes to them. Triumph will sell shedloads in the US and Europe as a lower price entry into Triumph ownership. Anyway, continue to enjoy your bike and hopefully I' ll get to ride the Trident when dealerships here fully open up. As a footnote, the Trident is the polar opposite to the Rocket you were considering before the BMW. That's a heck of a change in direction!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks for your input, Kevin. Very objective, that's what I like :) I believe the 2021 CB650R addresses many of the issues you refer to, but unfortunately it wasn't available at the time of recording this video. I do prefer my Trident, but it's a close call, and I would have no doubt been perfectly happy with the Honda, had the Triumph not been around. Ride safe :)

[@grodt88]

5:10 Honda have 4 piston front brake, Trident got 2 piston

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Fair enough. Duly noted. Tbh, they felt about the same :)

[@astrostrotch]

Not only 4 piston, but radially mounted, a stiffer, more efficient set up.

[@chriswest2290]

@@astrostrotch it's a massive advantage to the Honda. 👍🏻

[@MGman100]

I think the CB650r looks better than the Triumph. The Trident is a nice looking bike and I prefer the back end but also can't help thinking that the Honda will be more reliable as I've heard some negatives about Triumph over the last couple of years. Whatever, I still think that the Trident may well outsell the Honda.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I've owned a few Triumphs and have never had any issues (unlike with my BMW F900XR last year!), but I agree that Hondas are usually ultra reliable.

[@Ryan-jr2cv]

Think I'd still go for the reliability of the Honda.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

If that’s a priority for you, then go for it. They’re both good bikes😊

[@MartinDoubek_ArnieX]

@@RocketMan_Moto is that really so that Triumph isn't as reliable as Honda?

[@jonasjonaitis7951]

Nice take on bikes,love the vid , it gave me what to think about since i was going to get new honda i think i will go for test ride first. Thank you for the vid!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

You're welcome. As I said, it's really too close to call between the 2 bikes. It all depends where your priorities lie :)

[@lynsmith1096]

Good Comparison video look forward to the next 1

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thank you, Lyn :)

[@Firestorm637]

Honda’s are on every corner. Nice to own something unique

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I agree, although I think we'll be seeing a lot of Tridents on the roads, too, before long :)

[@vintagerealityvr]

I live in a huge city and I havent seen a cb650r yet. Kind of a weak justification

[@tristangreen5695]

I've been riding Hondas for the past 15yrs I have my heart set on the 2024 cb650r but I hear it may not come to canada 😢. If not I may consider the trident. Still waiting on answers from the dealership. Before this video I've never heard of the trident shows my loyalty to the honda 😅. I've got some thinking to do.. Great video.. cheers!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks👍😊

[@efremendez]

awsome comparision review mate! subscribed for sure!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks for the sub!

[@EZaharievv]

Great review , I like it , what am I wondering about is , is the trident reliable enough , I am between xsr 700 , honda cb650r and the trident ,I have two.months to decide and I find your videos for one of the most usefull on youtube ,well done RM

[@HS99876]

Good choices, I recommend checking Suzuki GSX S750 as third option, there are fantastic deals on 2020 models. I am getting one myself .

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thank you, Emanuil :) All I can say is that I have owned several Triumphs over the years and - touch wood - have never had any issues.

[@EZaharievv]

@@HS99876 The suzuki is a great bike ,but I am looking for this retro style .

[@HS99876]

@@EZaharievv Unfortunately Suzuki don’t make many retro bike, only Sv 650. Other nice retro are Kawasaki w800( 2019 cheap) , triumph classics line and Royal enfield. Good luck with your search, drive safe.

[@pookiewookie7679]

The Trident is my favorite bike just after the r9t. But I would buy the Trident. Looks beautiful!!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Agreed!

[@guywolff]

The one subject I would have loved to hear about in this comparisons is how stable the chassis of each bike held itself in a sporty curve .. My guess is the Trident though stiffer on the bumps holds itself better cutting a line ... This as you say is less important to the rider not pushing the bike and hitting a lot of bad road surface every day on the way to work.. What job is one buying the bike to do is always the question .. Thanks for the clip .. Yours from New England , Guy

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Unfortunately, I only had the CB for an hour and so didn't have time to take it into the twisties :)

[@ct900965m]

Nice one. I'll be getting rid of my Street Triple and going for the Trident - I really need to chill out a bit. I need something to make me ride a bit more sensibly and encourage me to behave. And it looks mint - I'm sure there will be lots of options to individualise it too. Thanks for helping to convince me. Stay safe.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

That is exactly why I sold my ST - tired of going everywhere 'at 100mph'. The Trident hits the sweet spot, imo, between being comfortable and easy to ride, without being boring. Enjoy your Trident :)

[@rafaelcordoba13]

The option to have a 1st class quickshifter on the Trident makes this bike a no-brainer choice imo!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I agree. The Trident's QS is one of the best I have used on any bike :)

[@denisg4288]

Hi RM. Just started my DAS in the UK. The riding school is using the CB650R. I was initially pleased to see that, but the first few seconds, I thought, Oh dear, I am not going to get on with this. One minute in and I am thinking, actually, I just might. Few minutes in and enjoying it. Probably not the bike for me, but pleased to be using for my DAS. Regards Denis

[@denisg4288]

Watched this when you posted it, but revisited it after riding the bike on day one.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

The CB650R is a good bike, but not the best. Great for learning on, but a bit 'ordinary'... like a bike equivalent of a Toyota car. Good luck with your lessons :)

[@jo-justjo]

Excellent review😊 looking forward to part 2 of the Trident video

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks, Jo. I'm waiting for the accessories I ordered from Triumph before I can make part 2 of the mods & tweaks video. They're still waiting for the quick shifter, apparently :(

[@jo-justjo]

@@RocketMan_Moto and I'm still waiting for my Trident 😬

[@RocketMan_Moto]

It's worth the wait. Patience :)

[@jo-justjo]

@@RocketMan_Moto yep 🙂

[@andrewewan624]

Always GOOD REAL WORLD videos/comments!!! a 3 versus a 4 cylinder ..Triumph v Honda ? ...nowadays FEW bad bikes... it's all a matter of choice ...brand loyalty for many ... ohh...for those blue skies ..and freedom to ride

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks, Andrew :)

[@andrewewan624]

@@RocketMan_Moto Had CB1000R ...enjoyed...but NOT loved... NIKEN I love...lol ...KEEP VIDEOS COMING ... stay safe

[@petroosabdollahian1648]

nice video, reliability, maintenance costs, finish level of Honda already proven but Triumph trident not yet, problem issues not yet known so maybe after 2nd generation goes more involve buyer Anyway nice video Be safe

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks, you too :)

[@rodasrodas]

Thank you. I test drove one CB650R ( had to try the 4 cilinder engine ) and found it too much bike for my skills. Also, at high revs the inline 4 is not that vibe free. But overall, a very good bike. It still is, with his 95 HP , the most powerfull bike I have ever ridden. And I do like my power ;)

[@RocketMan_Moto]

The Trident is a bit more docile, but not by much, because it has more low-down torque :)

[@rodasrodas]

@@RocketMan_Moto Agreed ! The Honda has that "evil" top end ( i think I was almost at 160kms /h in third, and not hitting the rev limiter ), but is very tame in low rpms. I enjoyed it, it is a quality product, but not the bike for me. ( yet ).

[@martindelrosario4676]

Thanks for the awesome video. I have a deposit on a Trident. Just waiting for the bike to get to the dealer. There’s also a used CB650R in my area which I was also seriously considering. This is exactly what I wanted to see. I think based on what you said about riding position, I’m still leaning Trident. But that may change when I see and ride it in person.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I certainly don't regret choosing the Trident, but both are good bikes. The Triumph definitely feels younger, though :)

[@tedwitus]

excellent comparison RocketMan ~ always enjoy watching your videos riding southern Portugal with you and your motorcycles and this is exactly what I'm debating for my upcoming decision.. leaning toward XSR so I'd suggest that variant of the CP2 if you can get one! Thanks and keep em coming!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks! I keep calling Yamaha, but they are not allowing test rides at the moment :(

[@mihamoto]

Great video. I've ridden one as replacement while having my CB500X serviced. No comparisons for me, but I admit that for comfort my 1.90mt, idoes not help. But what surprised me was the accessibility of the bike. I have ridden it not more than 2 hours and I felt like home from the switching gears to the command of the handlebar. However, as you say, the position is quite sporty and one tends to load more the wrists. Looking forward to another video. Cheers, V.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks, Valerio. I think the CB (and Trident) definitely favour the shorter rider :)

[@toofastnobrakes]

Cb650r for me 👍. I’m 6’5” btw and I surprisingly didn’t feel cramped on it

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I must have very long legs :)

[@toofastnobrakes]

@@RocketMan_Moto what’s your inseam? Mine is 35in. I always thought I was leggy 😅

[@RICKY12341100]

Hey that's my town! I was thinking to try the cb650r around here... but oh well there is already a review of that. Cool video!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Obrigado. Boas curvas :)

[@lateralus9244]

I've ridden the Trident 🔱 several times now and I will NEVER go back to a 4 cylinder bike. So much low and mid RPM torque, so much fun! And ohhhh, that sound; the triple is just without parallel in that category. I could listen to that all day and I have NO interest in getting on a CB650! If I want more power I'd just get a Triumph Street Triple 765--with this bike, I can have way way more than the best of both worlds.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I can't disagree there :)

[@lateralus9244]

@@RocketMan_Moto Incidentally, have you seen this headlamp conversion kit for the Triumph Street Triple 765 RS? kzbin.info/www/bejne/naerpYOiq92Hh68

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Not a fan, tbh. Looks a bit too aftermarket for my tastes. But thanks for the link :)

[@grahamn311]

After watching dozens of these 650 comparison videos, I've come to the conclusion that no modern 650 is really a 'bad' bike. Some are more dated, like the SV650, and some are a little vanilla, like the Z/ZX650, but, and I could be wrong, it seems like you can't really go wrong with any of them, as long as you know what it is you are buying, and, that you understand the purpose (and small niggles) each bike was designed around.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I agree: nobody makes bad bikes any more, it's just a question of personal preference.

[@vintagentleman391]

By now we have another interesting option. The CFmoto 700 is good and relatively inexpensive.

[@patw9175]

This is a toughy for me. I'm sure the Trident is a little more lively but the CB just looks SO much better. It really is a standout gorgeous bike, especially in that dark ruby red and more than anything I love the sound of a screaming I4. The brass colored engine covers make me drool every time. I don't know, motorcycle's aren't really all about practicality are they? Of course my opinion doesn't mean shit because I already made my choice, I have a 2015 gixxus750 I'm not getting rid of any time soon :)

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. I love black/gold bikes, but I think Honda have toned down the bronze bits so much that you barely notice them.

[@1990-t1j]

Just watched this again. I am beginning to think that I bought the wrong bike for Thailand with my SCR950. A lovely bike but heavy at 248 kg, and it runs on tubed tyres which worries me. I could sell it and get more or less what I paid as I got it secondhand cheap with only 4,300 km. I could also sell my KTM 390 Duke. Replace the pair of them with a Trident 660. I only need one bike along with my scooter, a Yamaha Aerox 155. I'll be back on the Algarve on April 10. Regards, Nick

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Trident is a really nice bike

[@sokfield]

I may accept everything else, but when it comes to the appearance where cb650r is timeless and sexy, and when it comes to the pleasure of the four-cylinder engine, I cannot accept that Triumph surpasses it.Your opinion may be subjective, but it is accepted. 😊

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Aren’t all opinions subjective by definition?😊

[@HS99876]

Thank you for the review, what is the pricing? Trident is fresh new retro look, no plastic, very smart.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks. Both bikes are priced around €8-9k. I prefer the Trident's looks, too.

[@MrFaciolito]

Thank you for this Video. In Germany it is not so easy to do a Testdrive with the Trident 660. My Dealer has not one. So I have to drive over 100 km to try one.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

You're welcome. It's a great bike and I would suggest that it's worth a 100km drive to avoid buying another bike, which may disappoint you :)

[@MeLikesPie]

Looking forward to the Yamaha MT07 comparison! Thought about the seating position on the CB650R was too aggressive for my taste! The MT09 felt better .MT07 was good but the motor on the MT09 wow ! If you could demo ride one and compare it to the Trident (I know motor wise apples vs oranges) really curious about the seating vs the 2 !! Thanks good video!!👍👍

[@RocketMan_Moto]

The MT09 is more of a competitor to the Street Triple, so I'll focus on the MT07... as soon as the dealer gets one in :)

[@FrogonWheels]

I´m a former onwer of a CB 650R and had only 3 complaints, the seat is too hard (think is a Honda thing), the engine is way too smooth in low revs, and when you know it your way too fast, and finally for me also the handle bars should be more touring and less sporty. But love that bike and the engine sound stock...in high revs...sublime. By the way, cost between the two? keep up the good work!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks, Sergio. I believe the 2021 650R has more touring handlebars, but it wasn't available when I made the video. I'm hoping to get the 2021 MT07, though :)

[@marksmith-pz5yx]

There is a story that an air force wanted to build a fighter with a standard average seating position so it fitted more pilots, so they measured leg length, arm length, height, width etc of over a thousand men. The result - no one fitted and they had to make the seat adjustable. Same with bikes no one fits all, answer test ride and see. Great comparison though. PS I ride a CB650 2016 and the throttle needed adjusting to stop jerkiness.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Lol, good story. Not sure ride-by-wire throttles are easy to adjust?😉

[@marksmith-pz5yx]

@@RocketMan_Moto Just adjusted the slack at grip to factory recommended 4mm, according to the owners club a lot got shipped with up to 10mm slack

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Isn't yours a cable throttle, though?

[@marksmith-pz5yx]

@@RocketMan_Moto true!

[@TestingTesting1]

Looking forward to the MT vid!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

As soon as my dealer gets the 2021 demonstrator😎

[@SweeneyTTodd]

Very good review , i think one option the Honda has over the Trident that isn't mentioned much is luggage , for that weekend away or tour even Best Regards

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Quite true. The Trident really doesn't look very good for luggage, although there will no doubt be options soon :)

[@harryboi6441]

Triumph Build quality and looks won me over on the trident when I went a saw it at my local dealer.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Same for me really. Once I saw the Trident, the MT07, CB650R etc seemed very ordinary :)

[@pranjal70]

Exactly why riders choose triumph. Great quality

[@AJBAdventures]

good honest head to head, I think I'll be going for the cb650r as my first big bike for a few reasons, my local honda dealer will pay to put you through your rider training, theory and bike test, so that about £1000 worth of training sorted, and I think I actually prefer the looks of the cb, also the screaming inline 4 and reliability ticks a few more boxes. however I do love the look of the trident also and the good old triumph triple engine 👌

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Sound reasoning. The Honda was my choice, too, until the Trident came out and I just thought the design was a bit 'fresher'. I like Hondas - I have a Vision and a Grom :)

[@josephlemons]

Excited to get this as my first bike in the future 😄

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Which one, CB or Trident?

[@jeholloway2]

Thanks for the measured analysis 🧐.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks for your comment, James. Always appreciated :)

[@steve1962]

Portimao.......I've ridden through it on a scooter when we were on holiday just outside Albufeira and used exactly the same route as you did - there were storks nesting in top of some of the very tall street lights near the bridge, and also on the tall chimney stacks which are all that remains of the factories between the road bridge and the railway bridge on your right side as you come into the town. when we were there in 2017, and again when we returned in 2019. Interesting comparison between the two bikes - the Triumph is certainly getting some really good reviews and I think you have chosen wisely. Ride safe. Steve

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Ah yes, the storks around here certainly seem to love the poles :)

[@senor-fa-von-dia]

nice video, my left wrist aches a lot but not from riding my bike.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Ok...

[@1990-t1j]

This is an interesting comparison. I'd rather have three cylinders than four. I'm interested to hear the Trident feels bigger physically. I thought I recognised the approach road to Portimao. As I've said before, I have a place in Lagos.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I was surprised by the diminutive size of the Honda, too. Three cylinder is definitely something special :)

[@1990-t1j]

@@RocketMan_Moto My ''car'' is a three-cylinder reverse trike: Can-Am Spyder F3-S.

[@chriswest2290]

Honda has 4 pot radial mounted calipers. That's a massive plus point for the Honda. I hate 2 pot sliding calipers. It's not even about the braking performance. I dislike them due to them binding on the disc. Over time the sliding pins get caked up with road grim causing them to bind on. 2 pot sliding calipers have no place in the price range. Even the cheaper suzuki sv650 switch over to 4 pots in 2019. Cb, sv, Mt all run 4 pot calipers. The Honda being the only one implementing radial mounted calipers.. Its a shame, I own a street triple and love the looks of the trident and am sure it will have loads of character. I just can't love with the maintenance hassle of cleaning the sliding pins every 500 miles. For sure the next revision of the trident with switch over to 4 pots.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks for your input, Chris. Much appreciated. The brakes on both bikes had a very similar feeling to me, with the Trident edging it re. the rear brake :)

[@yonniboy1]

I've got the 2020 Street Triple R but wanted to see how the Trident compared and I have to say very favourably, 0 to 60 they're pretty much on a par it's only when you push on that the Trident feels slightly breathless and at 9/10ths the suspension isn't as refined as its bigger brother but the finish is remarkable for any bike never mind a budget bike.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Totally agree :)

[@andycrawley8276]

Great work my friend 👏

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thank you, Andy. Much appreciated :)

[@sameerjjj]

@rocketman amazing review. Would like your opinion on one aspect. I am living in a country which is quite hot. So heat emission from engine in traffic is major factor. Which bike according to you will emit less heat in the traffic. Considering triumph has one cylinder less but at the same time Honda engine refinement is second to none. Kindly share your view on this as both bikes are not yet available for TD in my country yet. I need to decide between the two.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks, Sameer. Portugal is hot, so engine heat is an important consideration for me, too. The Honda did seem to give off slightly more heat than the Triumph, although to be fair, the weather here at the moment is relatively cold. You should try both bikes really, and make up your own mind to be sure :)

[@sameerjjj]

@@RocketMan_Moto thanks for the reply!! Enjoy your ride!! Shall test drive both to be sure!!

[@hrvojeljubic9537]

In line 4...you can't miss the choice..

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks for your input

[@fredmadeira8056]

Great comparison and a very clear way of putting it like it is. Actually I bought my cb650r before the trident came out. OtherwiseI would have been in a pickle. Anyway, I do want to test ride the trident next time I have the chance.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

You've bought a great bike, but I would encourage you to try the Trident to see if you can spot some of the differences I highlighted. Ride safe :)

[@fredmadeira8056]

@@RocketMan_Moto As soon as this life scenario lets us, I will certainly look for one to test. Keep up the good work and ride safe ;)

[@stephenjones8643]

Finally getting these in Texas. Pre-ordered one and hoping it comes within the next week or two at the dealership.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I preordered mine, too - a little scary, but don't worry, it's an excellent bike. I have no regrets at all :)

[@jamesalcaraz8729]

@RocketMan, can you feel the difference in weight. I know the CB is like 12 kg heavier, but how does that translate when you are in heavy traffic. I'm a light guy at 160 lbs and plans to use it more on heavy traffic (half the time) and highway.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I was aware of the weight difference between the two bikes, but I can't say I noticed it really. Both bikes have a fairly low centre of gravity, so are easy to move around. Hope this helps :)

[@MrAndrew1953]

I’m 5’8. On the trident 🔱 I’m told I can’t fit a rack and top box ? Indispensable for me.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I'm sure there will be options along soon for luggage :)

[@brucearena]

I'm still wearing the beginner hat and loving my CB500X, but right now either one of these two bikes you compared here seem to be the best candidates for the eventual step-up. I'm curious about the reliability and owning cost of both, but as the Trident is so recent there is not enough data I guess. Las weekend I've done Serra de Sintra > Guincho > marginal and it was really a lovely ride Keep up

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Obrigado, Sebastiao. The CB500X is a great bike, but I sold mine because of the (relative) lack of power and the vibrations. The Street Triple I used to own was the opposite extreme: completely mental. I think the Trident hits the sweet spot, at least for me. I miss the Serra de Sintra :)

[@brucearena]

​@@RocketMan_Moto yes, even short highway rides give me tingly finger tips and there is the lack of power when overtaking. But I figured it would sensible to start with an under 50 horsepower bike to gain experience and run it for at least six months. Sintra is always there for you, enjoy the sunny Algarve while the summer mobs are yet to come :)

[@workshybum]

Thanks for this, exactly what I wanted to hear. I’m a current 650R owner of 2 years, considering a change to a Trident. I’m just over 6ft and do feel a little cramped up in the hips on the 650R, but I’m having a hard time justifying a ‘sideways’ move and what is essentially a downgrade in power. I really like triumph as a brand and I LOVE the triple engine and the Trident really floats my boat in the looks department. Taking one out for a ride soon, hoping I’ll feel just a little bit more upright and less folded up. Thanks again for a great comparison 👍🏻

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thank you for your kind words of encouragement :) The Trident definitely fits my 187cm frame better than the CB did, although the Honda is still a great bike. Had the Trident not suddenly appeared on the market out of nowhere, I would no doubt have been perfectly happy with it.

[@joaomoreira9750]

A British guy living in Algarve and choosing a Triumph over a Honda, what a surprise

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Lol, I would have chosen a Portuguese bike... but there aren't any :)

[@robbertzeeman]

Currently own an MT-07, but the brakes and suspension doesn't give me enough confidence anymore. I rode a couple of other bikes and looking for a Trident as the next bike. Also rode a Street Triple RS, but it is to much for what i use a bike for. Can't wait for your comparison.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I agree the Street Triple is a bit of a handful. The Trident hits the sweet spot, imo. Comparison with the MT07 as soon as my dealer gets the new 2021 model :)

[@MartinDoubek_ArnieX]

Well the review is good, although it didn't help me to decide :D. There are ever so slight differences between Honda and Triumph and I would need to somehow mash these two bikes together and build the ultimate one. I love the looks of Honda (except for few things I love Triumph looks as well - shame to exhaust and just very few more details), I love how Triumph approached speedometer (display), Honda's display is rubbish for the price. Honda has more technically modern front fork (SFF), brakes are also technically better on Honda. More horsepower on Honda - but that may not really mean anything, but it wouldn't hurt if Trident had at least 95HP too - and it could have it. Then there is Triumph's lagy digital ride by wire throttle, which is good (quickshifter up and also down with auto blipper thanks to ride by wire throttle), and bad because it feels like modern cars now, with not exactly snappy response and there is unfortunately no settings that could change it. One big no no are Metzeler shitty tires on Honda, that would probably need replacement right away, much better for Triumph as it comes cheaper than Honda but with Michelin Road 5 tires, that are better on wet road. All in all, ultimate combo would be: Triumph by the looks More power 95-100HP (Maybe 2022 model would get more juice :), I'm not buying this year anyway) Better looking and sounding exhaust SFF front fork Radial 4piston brakes (I know that there is 320mm Brembo set with 4piston calipers (but still axial), it does indeed look sweet but the price is not :D, it almost makes more sense to get Street Triple then when all sum up) That is probably about it... Even thought I'm leaning a bit towards Honda now, I would most likely stick with Trident which is too new, but it is hit already and there are going to be lot of after market perks how one could improve things that are not really good. Although it would cost quite a bit. Exhaust would have to be full system which means lot of $$$$, maybe getting that brembo brake set.... and couple more things.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks for your comments, Martin. This video is a bit old now and, tbh, I can't really remember much about the AT. I haven't ridden one since :)

[@MartinDoubek_ArnieX]

@@RocketMan_Moto are you still loving your Trident? Was it good choice after all?

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Errr... I sold it a couple of weeks ago🙄😂 It was probably the best bike I’ve ever had, but I need to keep the channel turning over. New bike arrives mud-August😊

[@MartinDoubek_ArnieX]

@@RocketMan_Moto understood :), good thing that I do not need to run moto channel on youtube, so if it really was that great I think I will be happy with it too :). Now I have to wait till next season to get my hands on it :D. But I have scheduled test in just couple weeks. Looking forward what new bike is coming up on your channel :).

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I think (hope!) you will approve. It's sort of a Trident+, but I'm sure you'll be impressed even by the 'standard' Trident :)

[@malcaithness9889]

Well mate, here's one for you. Still got my 2019 cb500x with 49k kms on it. Won't ever sell, just does everything as you know, except ... Needed to get that real rush that a naked motorcycle gives when you're in the curves & on the pavement. Enter my new 2021 Suzuki gsxs750 😲. Two weeks old now with 3k kms clocked. Similarly, my anatomy is like yours ( not the voice, pity) & the ergos are fine. Stage 3 run in now completed & this thing handles & outperform's like a boss. Comparing the two? The Honda is a Chocolate Labrador & the Gixus is a Cane Corso. The new Yoshi Alpha exhaust I've fitted adds to the growl of that inline 4. Love the Ride & Ride to Live. Take Care, I'm off to release the hounds!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I sometimes regret selling my CB500X, it was a great bike. Reliable and supremely comfortable :)

[@malcaithness9889]

@@RocketMan_Moto Hence the Chocky Lab analogy.😀

[@karlosh9286]

I test rode a CBR650R ( I really wanted to test ride the CB650R) . At the time I had a Street Triple 660 derestricted. The Honda engine was good, but I did prefer the Triple 660. Mainly for low end torque and the sound track. Yeah the Trident's 660 is a bit different . I can't really comment on handling comparisons. I found the CBR650R flipping uncomfortable, but then I'm not keen on riding sports bikes, a CB650R would probably be more my choice. I did have a CB125R as my learner bike, and the inverted LCD was often almost impossible to see. Apparently the new CB650R has an improved one, but I'd have to reserve judgement on that. I did get a ride on a CB1000R , that was comfortable, but I found the handling more vague than a Street Triple 660, and the CB1000R was a bit "spongy". Overall I think I'd choose a Triumph ! ( well I have :) )

[@RocketMan_Moto]

The triple engine is certainly something special. I agree with you on the Honda's riding position, although I believe the 2021 model has been tweaked to make it more comfortable :)

[@antapps]

No nonsense review. Good!

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thank you :)

[@Grahamvfr]

Great comparison, as told from the seat, not the spec sheet 👍. Why do manufacturers insist on firm rides (gung ho journos no doubt) it dosnt help handling at all on the road.. It might on track but its a Rd bike. Unlike your reviews (thankfully) whenever I hear "can't wait to get it on track" I click off.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Thanks again for your kind words of encouragement, Graham. Much appreciated :)

[@jonasjonaitis7951]

I actually reconsider buying CB650R after your review and I bought a trident :), so I guess you sold at least one bike for triumph:D.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Wow, now I feel responsible... But I really do think the Trident is the better buy. Enjoy :)

[@urbanfireblade]

No offence but you shouldn't buy something else just because of someone's opinion, buy the one that suits you.

[@jonasjonaitis7951]

@@urbanfireblade Well with all this Covid situation, I was kinda put on the spot. I wanted a new bike and I narrowed my choices to these two. Was about to buy the honda, since we had no Triumph dealership in our country. But then I Watched the review and since Mr. RocketMan is about the same height as me lots of things he pointed out were relatable. So I saw a new dealership in Town they had one trident which was already sold, so at least they let me sit on it and made a nice discount for the new one. So I had to take a little leap of faith or an educated guess rather, thanks to the review. After all, people who ride motorcycles probably have a higher tolerance for risk :P. And I mean Mr. RocketMan seems to be a trustworthy fellow- he wanted to buy a Rocket for christ sake :D:D:

[@dreadlock17]

Torn between the Trident and the CB650R. Already have a 250cc so I'm thinking of getting either one of those as an upgrade. It's been months and I couldn't decide yet omg

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Remember, better is the enemy of good :) I went with the Trident and don't regret it one bit.

[@dreadlock17]

@@RocketMan_Moto yea seeing as I'm gonna mostly use the bike more in traffic, I'm leaning towards the Trident 660 as well. Btw, greetings from 🇲🇾 Great video.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

The torque of the Trident makes it a better city bike than the revvy Honda, imo😊

[@sandorharaszti4359]

I was in the same situation one month ago but I listened to my heart and decided on the cb650r because I love how it looks and sounds. Both bikes are great and you dont make a bad decision choosing any of them . I had a duke 125 before the honda and despite the power difference and weight i feel safer and lighter on honda than duke. I was amazed how it was possible.

[@jerronimo6874]

I think this bikes shouldn't be comparable. Both are great but their personality are different. Trident should be for 35+ years old bikers, and CB for younger ones. I dont know why but I see it like this now. I own CB 2020 and after few mods i must admit it's very fun and powerful but at mid-high rpms. The trident is much more made for city crusing having peak power much faster. This bikes are really wanted to be from few years. Lastly don't You think CB should be (if even) comparable to MT09 not MT07? Great vid 👌, drive safe and greetings from Poland 🇵🇱

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I would say it's the other way around, if anything: Trident for younger riders :)

[@kb34958]

@@RocketMan_Moto I believe that Triumph have positioned the bike to attract younger riders to the brand but I think that the opposite will apply, people like yourself downsizing as they grow older will be the main buyers. Jaguar did the same many years ago with the X Type. They targeted the same market as Triumph have with the Trident but ultimately most were purchased by older Jag and executive car owners as a present to themselves as they approached retirement.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Fair enough :)

[@davoXsr900]

The two bikes I can't decide between, now I've seen your great review,,,, I still can't decide! Is the CB that much smaller feeling, always thought the Trident looked the slightly smaller of the two ? Just need to test ride the Triumph , when we're allowed. The black and bronze just looks so nice..

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I agree. I though the CB would feel bigger after the Triumph, but it just didn't, at least to me. I like black & bronze, too, but Honda have toned down the bronze just a bit too much, imo, to the point where you barely notice it. Personally, I don't regret going for the Trident :)

[@davoXsr900]

Well,, test rode the Trident today and deposit is down , pick up next wk, Matt black, can't wait !! Thanks for your great reviews👍

[@PetroheadSingh]

Can you pleassseee do a comparison of Trident vs Ducati scrambler dark 800. Keep up the good work 🙏

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I will see what I can do :)

[@TR5T]

I am a Triumph enthusiast but I would go with the Honda and especially the MT/FZ 07.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

It's a fine bike, but for me the Trident has it.

[@neilsmith5883]

Looking at these 2 bikes and the xsr700. Cant decide. I test ride the xs700 and really liked it but felt a very large bike

[@RocketMan_Moto]

I have since sold my Trident, but it was one of the best bike I have ever owned, and I have just recommended it to my son, who is taking his licence now :)

[@neilsmith5883]

@@RocketMan_Moto did you have any issues with the throttle, read a lot about this.

[@RocketMan_Moto]

None at all :)