Troll Hide vs Bronze Armor | Valheim

[@GlitchyPlus]

Hmm I wonder who that Dingus guy was at the beginning of the video 🤔

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Hahaha odd

[@Veklim]

Damned good analysis, comprehensive and concise. I've been using mixed sets for a while now and personally feel they give the best all-round boni but, as you pointed out, higher difficulties might change that metric somewhat. Eventually I will do some proper experimentation and figure out parry breakpoints for various enemies on different difficulties, but for now I think this analysis is a great reference for newer players, or those who just haven't experimented much, good job Mr.Waffles!

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Thank you!!

[@Koko92553]

Armor does not affect block or parry.

[@sera7284]

@@Koko92553Nope, they are. For example with root harnesk, you gained 0.5x damage reduction from pierce damage sources -> less stagger amount gained -> Easier blocking & parrying. I was able to parry a deathsquito attack with only 100 health, lv1 root harnesk and lv2 *bronze buckler*. Root harnesk is just too OP

[@Koko92553]

@@sera7284 Interesting...I still don't fully understand the block stagger bar. All i know is it is affected by your max health and your armor does not add block armor.

[@Qildor88]

I use the troll armor usually until I get my favorite armor that is the Fenris armor.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

You seem to be a light armor kind of person! I feel like full troll hide might be rough in the mountains. It's already pretty rough in the swamps! But hey at least you're fast!

[@seadog8807]

That’s probably the best video comparing those sets in terms of brevity and easy to follow that I’ve seen, nicely put together bud 👍👍

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Thanks!!!

[@a_pirate1434]

Idk if ive ever made bronze armor in a Valheim playthrough. Trolls aren't *that* hard to fight, and by the time I've gotten enough bronze left over to make armor my troll armor is pretty well-upgraded. Bronze is expensive and grindy, and the armor rating increase is small enough that I'd have to upgrade it a lot for it to outweigh being a lot slower than troll armor. At that point i might as well go on and get iron

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Definitely worth considering!

[@NathanielPL]

My heart will always be with heavy armor. I just love to face tank enemies xD and I'm not afraid of dying since game starts with your character death

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Can't die if you're already dead! Muahahaga

[@NathanielPL]

@@WafflesGamesProbably or going with GoT reference : "what is dead may never die" xD

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

@@NathanielPL Niiiice!

[@Jams27]

I attribute my first deaths in the swamp to the reduced micement of full bronze. I'm annoyed I fully upgraded it before doing the swamps. But I hadn't really mixed and mayched much. Maybe I'll try that.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Hey there's nothing wrong with over preparing!

[@LordDestruction]

For my latest playthrough I think I'll gravitate towards skipping the bronze armour, a decision that'll likely come back and bite me in the butt in the swamps. Small addition: Troll hide is used to craft at least the ancient bark spear and the barber's table/chair aquired from Hildir.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Yeah I had to add a little text in editing since I discovered that. I guess I could have just redone that voiceover. But I didn't think of it in the moment. It's very limited but not JUST armor!

[@LordDestruction]

@@WafflesGamesProbably oh, f*ck me for not reading the description(KZbin has made it really difficult lately), sorry for that. But true that it's barely used for anything else and I'm pretty sure Thor is up to his waist in troll hide by now from the amount I've blasted it in the obliterator.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

@@LordDestruction Well yeah that but also a little annotation at the bottom of the screenshot during that particular spot in the video. It was pretty subtle, and easy to miss. I didn't know how to make it more prominent without overpowering the whole screenshot.

[@LordDestruction]

@@WafflesGamesProbably perception check failed indeed💀

[@chrisinhotwater9896]

Yeah the mix is the way to go, Also one point is by the time you can make level 4 troll armor you will need iron and Obsidian for the workbench. Something to consider with both troll and bronze is that by the time you get to about level 3 you most likely are in the swamps and can work on root armor (very OP). In my opinion I would stick with troll level 3 with bronze helm and then go for root. Just my 2 cent. Thanks , And as always good stuff.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

That's also true!! So you'll be realistically running into the swamps in troll hide at level 3 armor, not 4. Damn the video is already done. I could make a "troll hide behind the black forest" video maybe.

[@FabioTheFelonious]

Hey there ! I agree with the Conclusion honestly and I think you are correct in it. Just one thing I managed to see as a sort of "contradiction" is that you mentioned if you were playing on a higher difficulty or no death that you'd have to fight dangerous trolls and such. However I feel like that does no take into account that for Bronze. You would have to go in to get surtling cores first. Though experience differs for each of us. As trolls are only usually in singular doses you can handle them a lot easier than when the dungeon decides to give you multiple skeleton elites. Which I feel like contradicts the "its safer to get bronze than troll hide" A part from that. Great video !

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

A good consideration! Burial chambers can definitely be dangerous!

[@FabioTheFelonious]

Early on especially without a good shield at least. Plus they gang up on you.@@WafflesGamesProbably

[@Koko92553]

Also 6 points of additional armor is not gonna matter for a troll in hard mode, he will one shot you. you are better of running or sneaking.

[@Griffon_N]

Wow how well timed you are! I had this thought this exact morning

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

I actually read your mind in advance and prepared this just for you.

[@Three_Tiny_Robots]

Great video. I went bronze myself, but I recently fully upgraded my Troll Hide set, mostly because I had nothing else to use my chests full of troll hide on! It's now my primary rescue armour since it doesn't slow me down. 😄

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

That's a good way to do it! A perfect rescue armor,n

[@Kedvespatikus]

Except my first and second playthrough (which were almost two years ago) I've never forged any bronze armor piece. Well, OK, I did - for decoration. I also rarely upgrade the troll armor to the max - because root armor. :) Sure, my weapons of choice are the bow and the knife; as you cleverly pointed out, light armor is the best fit for me at this stage of the game.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Haha decoration! Nice. That definitely does sound like it fits your style! I mentally keep going back and forth still, despite the video. Haha

[@uuno_cre]

yo i havent watchd the video yet but imma say troll armor to the win!!!!!!!!

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Hahaha partially!!

[@Oak_Knight]

Good video and the mixed set is a great way to balance the resources needed and the protection given. Even into the late game I typically use troll hide as "death run" armour, up until the point where I can replace it with a carapace helm and fenris clothing.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Yeah fenris set is definitely the superior option but quite a bit more difficult to get.

[@xantishayde-walker4593]

Great video. Haven't even gotten thru it yet. Still, you've done a great comparison here. I'd like to say, you don't have to choose one or the other. I know there are at least some people who mix and match pieces. That's a valid strategy. Just use to Troll Hide for the chest and legs so you don't loose you movement speed and just use the Bronze helmet for extra noggin protection. What I personally do is, for starters, I make sure I have Portal mats on me and a spare portal, preferably with no name for quick escapes. Secondly I wear my Troll Hide full set and have Eikthyr for increased Stamina. Then, when I find something interesting or useful, or my bags fill up from being the equivalent of a Loot Goblin who is picking up everything not nailed down and coming back with a hammer to take out the nails, I plunk down my Portal, take home everything but the Metal, drop it in my drop chest(s), then come back. If I find a dungeon, spawner, village, etc I want to clear out or get rid of, I portal home, put on my Bronze Armor and get ready to rumble. When I'm done and I want to explore more, I go home, switch back to the Troll Hide, portal back to where I left off and keep on trucking, either until I'm done or I need to fight or drop off my sweet, shiny loot again. Edit 1: Removed comma for clarity. Edit 2: Apparently Waffles mixes it up. Sounds a lot easier than Portaling all the time, yet that only matters if you're a Loot Goblin, like me. If you are, the Portal strat is also viable. Just depends on what you like. Cheers!

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Hahaha loot goblin!! I love it! Very solid advice here. Yeah mixing it up is probably the most efficient, but it all depends on what's going on and how one likes to play!

[@kcrockett8969]

Your supposed to use the troll to farm copper lol

[@sera7284]

I prefer troll armor, no need for mining, bronze, tin, forge, furnaces, wood for coal, cart to haul all those metals. Just kill some trolls and skeletons, then you will have a set that has no movement speed penalty, no need to haul metals, has set bonus (15+ sneak). I usually accompany with my troll armor to the plains (where it's about to retire) and prepare to make padded set. So i can save all that bronze for other crafting recipes.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Damn troll armor in the plains...that sounds like a rough time.

[@Marwington]

The reason why I always go troll vs bronze is honesty weight and diminishing returns. Killing trolls is rather easy 1v1 after you get a hang of it and get a piercing weapon (if you get an abyssal razor, it's a joke honestly), so I won't even mention that. The way the damage reduction is calculated makes armour less useful against lower damage enemies (meaning if you have an enemy that deals 12 dmg or less you get diminishing returns from even base bronze armour), which is most of the meadows and black forest, excluding trolls. So unless you're struggling against trolls, full troll is good enough, mix and matching probably being best option if you REALLY wanna have that extra less dmg, for example when learning new enemies. In general, early on the better food does the heavy lifting.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Yeah that makes sense. Food is definitely very important. And trolls aren't THAT difficult. Most of the time.

[@berndwagner5085]

I go troll armor with bronze helmet. good looks and protection

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

It does look good! I like the look!

[@ceebotf2]

I played this game last year and went the bronze route at first, a lot of mining. I came back to game recently and went with troll armor, it was much easier to get. I still got bronze, smelting for pick/axe and harvester/nails for boat etc, and then kited trolls with bow when ever I cam across them. It was no real effort and ended up with full troll set with tunic/pants/helmet at level 2. I also use skeleton shield+spear which is great for tanking. Shield knockback+spear 2 is easy killing for most mobs (skele tombs etc), and unequip shield when/if running for speed, swapping to bow if kiting trolls etc. Maybe its playstyle, but for me the large shield+X gives more than enough armour so that bronze is overkill, along with the constant speed reduction.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

I have still never found much love for any of the tower shields. But hey maybe this is what I need to try them out and give them a real shot! Thanks for the comment!

[@ceebotf2]

@@WafflesGamesProbably Yeah you can just equip/unequip for tank or mobility. It blocks significant damage and the push back is great with spear right click, can't miss, and done in the right way it instantly picks it back up.

[@Magin68]

Nice armor review. Comprehensive. Hybrid for me - bronze helmet with troll hide shirt and pants. No speed penalty, with increased armor protection compared to troll armor alone. Also allows leveling up the troll armor faster. Speed also includes backing up with a shield equiped. Heavy armor often won't allow you to backup out of reach of an enemy. Normal speed often gives you that option.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

I see what you mean. Backing up instead of just blocking or taking the hit is a relatively new concept for me! Haha

[@MrSageOlorin]

When I first started playing this game, I was heavy armor, all the way. But for a while now, I have been a convert to the light armor camp. On subsequent playthroughs, I feel much more confident with troll armor, though I will add that troll armor in the mountains is not for the faint of heart. Also, this lets me use all my bronze for my favorite thing: Weapons! You should do a vid on the viability of fully upgraded bronze weapons. I was actually surprised by how much damage a fully upgraded bronze spear can do, which of course, makes it easier to acquire more troll hide.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

WEAPONS ! truly my favorite thing too! Yeah it's a fantastic argument and I'd say the same probably

[@JoffTheLegend]

You'd think anyone with a bit of Valheim knowledge sees the bronze vs troll argument clearly. But I love how the vid presents the hybrid set. A great option for actually many valheim players. I mean it seems many do like to stay versatile and do the tanking and sniping depending on situation. I'm more a tank myself so I go bronze all the way though 😂. Cheers waffles! Great vid as always

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Thanks! Yeah I mostly made it so new players might get a good idea of the benefits and drawbacks of each choice! Also it was just a fun one to make. Glad you had fun!

[@SenjiDaemonic]

I keep getting attacked by trolls while farming copper so I decided to hunt them instead. Now I can farm my copper in peace in a nice blue armor set

[@SenjiDaemonic]

I say that but I ended up making them hit the copper so I dont have to 🤣

[@robman219]

tbh i agree with your conclusions but sneak when levelled can be amazing, especially for ranged attacks. being able to get a sneak attack x3 shot with a bow, go back into stealth and actually lose aggro on a creature cannot be understated. you can 2 shot some big enemies with a second sneak attack (depending on bow quality). i still tend to use the troll set for corpse recovery later in the game, as being able to sneak up on your corpse to recover your stuff that's next to a fuling camp can be very useful.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Hey maybe sneak is better than I feel it is and I just haven't played with it enough. I haven't found it to be too effective for really much at all but maybe I'm not leveled enough or just using it wrong

[@SoaringDrake]

I have run with both full bronze and full troll armor in the swamp. I had fewer deaths with troll armor. You are more mobile and can escape better in troll armor. Due to the wet debuff in the swamp, your mobility is already reduced by low stamina regeneration. You also draw less aggro from enemies. The clanking bronze armor draws enemies from further away. Killing trolls with ranged bow attacks is much safer in troll armor as you run much faster.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

I'm not sure noise is a factor in armor but perhaps. It's a good perspective!

[@SoaringDrake]

@@WafflesGamesProbablyNoise is just my role playing spin. I am not sure of the actual game mechanics.

[@joelhietaranta7186]

Very nice and fun video. Maybe you should consider to do video about all armors in Välhaim and give your thoughts about best armors or at least what are your recommendations?

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Thanks! I think that topic really is just biome specific. Like the best armor is definitely carapace for melee and eitr robes for magic. But perhaps there's more to the story, in a mixed set again.

[@bosbertyt]

Great video, kinda regret spending all my bronze on the full set now😞

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

It's still a great set!

[@Drby_]

Hey waffles, you should do a video about armor in Valheim vs the enemies of hardcore mode and see what works best! The game goes from mostly manageable to getting a surtling core from a burial chamber nigh impossible. Would be interesting to see the numbers

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

I've thought about doing some legitimate testing in hard and very hard difficulties! It really does up the damage enemies do by a significant margin.

[@jerrythelobster7]

I love your content man, valheim is the best

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Thanks!!

[@Koko92553]

I'd rather die to a troll than mine a copper node.

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Haha I totally understand that.

[@hundredlashes]

Leather armor 💪💪

[@siltzi]

Bro why is your voice so sexy

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

😏😏😏😏😏 heyohhhhh. Haha thanks! Literally genetics.

[@N0-MAAM24]

I really dislike all plate. Bronze is ass

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

Not at all. It's fantastic, just not for everyone.

[@N0-MAAM24]

@@WafflesGamesProbably compare troll ac vs bronze. Then add movement penalty. It’s not worth it

[@ickabob]

now make the comparison on hardcore

[@WafflesGamesProbably]

I could maybe do a "Very Hard Mode best practices" video!