Trotsky, Stalin, & Hitler walked into a Coffee House : Viennese Coffee House History

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[@MLaserHistory]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Extra Information & Sometimes Corrections if Needed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 0:00 I apologize ahead of time for all the mispronunciations in this video. 1:10 Coffee drinking and selling can be dated in Venice as far back as 1616 but the first commercial coffee house didn't open until 1645 or 1647. 1:10 Ok "Europe" here is a bit misleading, there where coffee houses on the European side of the Ottoman Empire specially in Constantinople. 1:13 The coffee house at Oxford wasn't technically the "first coffee house" in England because it wasn't a corporate institution but a university one. 1:15 There was coffee drinking in Marseilles in 1644 but the first permanent coffee house wasn't established until later. 2:26 35, Rittner, The Thinking Space. (full bibliography with sources is in my script available for free on my Patreon) 3:06 36, Rittner, The Thinking Space. 3:54 Both also frequented Café Frauenhuber. 3:59 I meant Johann Strauss but showed a picture of Richard Strauss, my bad. 5:20 40, Rittner, The Thinking Space. 7:38 Lenin didn't meet Stalin in Krakow for the first time they have meat before. 8:21 The quote says Mr. Bronstein not Trotsky as that's the name Trotsky was known under at the time. 8:35 Although Hitler preferred the working class cafes on Schwegerstrasse 25, called Cafe Kubata. 8:57 Even though Freud was known to go to Cafe Central he preferred the cafes previously mentioned. 9:15 didn't have time to explain the "Young Vienna" movement or the writers involved with it, here is a wiki link if you're interested- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Vienna 9:15 The group of writers part of the "Young Vienna" movement first meat at Café Griensteidl and when it was closed moved to Cafe Central. 9:44 Ok so Bahr is often considered to be Jewish by many sources (hence why I put him in the video) but he technically wasn't. He was actually quite a big anti-Semite in his youth but in his later years he changed and became very heavily involved with the Jewish culture and community in Vienna. He wrote in opposition to antisemitism, married a Jewish actres, and hung out in many Jewish circles in the Viennese Coffee Houses. Due to his campaign against racial antisemitism he is very often mentioned in a Jewish context hence why many people think he's Jewish. 9:54 174, Shapira, Style and Seduction. 10:37 I meant to say decompressed not decomposed, had a bit of a brain fart sorry. Video scripts with all my sources are available for free on my Patreon. www.patreon.com/mlaser

[@lobstervortex]

Bahr's kinda like a reverse Paulus then haha

[@cearal-EAT-cearal7647]

could you do Christopher Columbus?

[@MLaserHistory]

@@cearal-EAT-cearal7647 I did a video on his first colony I doubt I will do anything else about him anytime soon. (kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZmQlWOnrtNofJo)

[@cearal-EAT-cearal7647]

@@MLaserHistory okay😶

[@RobertGFitzpatrick]

Tea is better

[@Bhatakti_Hawas]

Imagine Hitler & Stalin bumping into one another, and then both apologising to the other

[@angeladetommasi2459]

Imagine the face of Hitler when in the 1920s, while drinking coffee he looks in a newspaper who talks about the new leader of the Soviet Union and sees the face of Stalin and the caption "The new soviet leader", and spits the coffee on the newspaper and says: "Isn't he the same georgian communist dude who i met in Central Café?!" And then Stalin's face when in 1933 he reads the newspaper and he sees Hitler with the caption "The new cancellor of Germany" and is like:"In the name of Marx, isn't he the same austrian artist who i saw in café central in 1913!?"

[@jtgd]

@@angeladetommasi2459 and the coffee house having nazis and communists accidentally meeting at the same time in 1933

[@pwp8737]

are they both Canadians?

[@angeladetommasi2459]

@@pwp8737 immagine if everyone in WWII was Canadian... -"Sorry sir for gassing you." -"Sorry for wasting your time and the resources of your nation to gas me"

[@pwp8737]

@@angeladetommasi2459 if everyone in WW2 was Canadian, instead of war they would have appointed a Royal Commission to look into the issues, and by the time the report was out people would have forgotten what the fuss was about.

[@plmd1857]

That sounds like the start of a really bad joke.

[@MLaserHistory]

That was the point.

[@spicyleaves8876]

@@MLaserHistory Oh, nice! (Btw keep making your videos, they are one of the most informational vids I've ever seen!)

[@michaelguerrieri3815]

@@MLaserHistory do article on seinfeld please.

[@fl0atpvnk]

Came here to say something similar

[@proactiveomnipresentvessel6569]

“I started a joke, which started the whole world crying.”

[@keller1808]

This is like, the biggest crossover in history, endgame cannot even be compared to this

[@marko-gj1uj]

Based and historypilled

[@6idangle]

For real but not surprising high level fascists and socialists were all of the connected upper middle to lower nobility

[@mercilessaphrodite3052]

Boxer rebellion?

[@zildmania]

Castilian war?

[@AG26498]

Often times history is crazier then any made up story.

[@DanielGalimidi]

Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Tito, Kafka, Freud and Hitler all walk into a coffee house in Vienna. There are no survivors.

[@Man-of-Steel674]

I mean we all die eventually.

[@klausx6265]

Waiting patiently until the Assassin's Creed series gets there.

[@vojislavbelic896]

if only

[@erenliebert4576]

@@klausx6265 with all the magic and shit going on right now and the constant push of "message" there I am afraid they'll turn this potentially great setup into some weird fantasy crap

[@1d10tcannotmakeusername]

​@@erenliebert4576 Sci-Fi > fantasy

[@Dhjaru]

Its always cool to see how and that the world was pretty connected before the internet.

[@alexanderrasmussen9473]

Uhm what?

[@yougoslavia]

@@alexanderrasmussen9473 What is your question?

[@Xorthane]

Between the middle class and wealthy more so Now very poor people can communicate with anybody on social media

[@skskskssksksksks7404]

Believe me in Vienna you‘ll ALWAYS meet people you know :)

[@diarmuidbuckley6638]

You might like to know about Mersenne who wrote and distributed letters to the Science scholars of Europe

[@rosenbaum6976]

Imagine Stalin, Trotsky, Tito, And Hitler being on the same cafe bumping to each other and a few years later they know that all of them will be an enemy with one and another

[@berserk6855]

Tito wouldnt be enemy with Trotsky,they are both socialist, sure they wouldnt agree on implementing the same kind of socialism but at worst they would be neutral with each other

[@slyasleep]

yeah that‘s pretty much the premise of the clip.

[@user-ij7fy3fn4n]

I want to see a movie like this

[@sele5129]

@@berserk6855 they were are all socialists...

[@aggebojkalos6518]

@masterdolphin 35 Socialism is a very broad term. For example, communism is a version of socialism.

[@TrafficPartyHatTest]

So there's a chance that tito, hitler, stalin, and trotsky all had coffee together? Edit: And freud and franz ferdinand as people told me.

[@GameandComedy]

Yup

[@masontrudgeon8085]

At least at the same place at the same time but probably not knowing the other and at different tables

[@elcompagenito3250]

Tito and stalin just having a casual talk just makes me laugh.

[@hankbarcelona7314]

Imagine how much violence could've been prevented if they had all become friends.

[@aproppaknoife5078]

While posseble i doubt that Tito went to this coffe house. He was a wery poor worker and i doubt that he would go to cafe' central as it was (while not a high class place) it was close to the center of town. Tito lived in the industrial district.

[@ldblokland463]

Hearing you refer to "Coffeeshops" makes me chuckle as a Dutch person.

[@MLaserHistory]

Yes Hitler, Trotsky and Stalin all got stoned together.

[@thetigerking2613]

@@MLaserHistory That would be very funny.

[@basedkaiser5352]

@@MLaserHistory Nah only Mussolini got stoned.

[@JBGARINGAN]

These coffeehouses sound like THE places to be, you could've met so many interesting characters in them and people of high classes to low classes met and mingled. These days the only interesting person you'll find in a damn Starbucks is that dude with the guitar and wearing a black leather jacket, you know you've seen that guy we've all seen him.

[@JBGARINGAN]

And he isn't that intriguing, he's just got that mood about him that makes you want to ask him wtf is up with him

[@typiclyjohny5114]

come to Vienna, its still ppretty interesting

[@taylorcosley3804]

@@typiclyjohny5114 No...come to brazil

[@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692]

@@typiclyjohny5114 Nein danke. Nur noch Molukken und Linke.

[@Max-is4qu]

That dude pretends to be interesting

[@isaacpeachey8609]

Well, if the Austrian coffee house scene makes a comeback, I’ll start building my bomb shelter for WWIII

[@ivowehsely9131]

It never quite died. I live in Vienna and a lot of people still go to the traditional coffehouses

[@hamidrezarahimi6651]

I've moved to Vienna a decade ago. Guess what!? The first thing that got my attention was how coffee houses are full of people and still rolling. But the difference is, you don't see often the type of people you heard their names in this Video!

[@sydneyb9340]

Cafe Central is still open and always busy! Even in Linz, Austria we have a traditional Viennese coffeehouse. Not to mention-the coffee in Austria is incredible !

[@gengarzilla1685]

Hopefully Putin, Zelenskyy, and Biden weren't frequenting the same café at roughly the same time period...

[@darthball2723]

Make it a nuclear bunker

[@ANTREU96]

As a viennese i must unfortunately say that many historic café houses in the 1at District are now just tourist traps. I once got kicked out because I was just enjoying my paper instead of purchasing more. There are of course still great cafes here but they are few gems

[@francisdec1615]

I heard that the personnel at the once famous Café Grecco in Rome, where Germans living in Rome used to meet, is also rude to customers. It's a shame.

[@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692]

Rent in the Altstadt is extreme, there's no room (not to mention people waiting) for people drinking one coffee and reading newspaper for half an hour +. The whole free (but gross) coffee in the US and sit as a long as you want isn't a thing in Europe. Order something or gtfo. Then again while waiters here also rely on tips, they won't starve if they have days of few or none tips either..

[@Mann_mit_Kaffee]

@@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692 "sit as a long as you want isn't a thing in Europe" is not true. Maybe it's the case in vienna. because of the rude waiter mentality, but even in bigger cities like rome or berlin you can sit and drink (maybe unless the cafe is overflowing)

[@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692]

@@Mann_mit_Kaffee Which is precisely what I said, as part of my initial comment. Those Coffee places in the 1st district ARE overflowing with people, especially the historic ones. As they attract tourists, hippsters etc.. So that's hardly rude, to tell you to order something or to move on, when you order 1 Verlängerter or Melange, and then sit there reading your newspaper for 30+ minutes. Sure, it's a thing in smaller cafe or less popular ones. But even there they won't eventually tolerate you, if you keep doing that as a regular. Ist ja nicht so wie in USA, wo man ständig mit der Kanne von dem Grind"kaffee" daherkommt, und man sitzen kann. Auch kleine Cafe haben mieten zu bezahlen, und wenn man das einreissen lässt bei Einem, dann fangen auch Andere damit an, v.A. wenn man W-Lan anbietet. Vielleicht in nem Dorfcafe, wo jeder jeden kennt.

[@TitaniusAnglesmith]

@@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692 It is the opposite. In America you're supposed to get in and get out. I've never experienced a café here in Europe, even in Wien, that kicks one out. I and a friend spent 3 hours in a café by the natural history museum, only bought 2 coffees and pastries.

[@thatguywhosayshi7021]

Came for learning about Stalin, Trosky and Hitler being in the same coffee house, stayed for the interesting history of Austrian coffee culture.

[@_b_x_b_1063]

и я

[@nidhimoda605]

@@_b_x_b_1063 Does that mean "me too"?

[@8b25arjunarvind6]

Same

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

The Four pillars of democracy: The Executive The Legislative The Judicial *The Coffehouse*

[@sohambandyopadhyayyoutube]

The four horsemen of Chaos: Hitler Stalin Churchill My Brother( Because of total destruction of my house within 20 minutes)

[@ballsligmer5572]

this sounds like the internet, but with a couple weeks of ping

[@amina-pr8xt]

Nice comment..

[@McDonaldsCalifornia]

The small entrance fee of technically just having to buy a coffee also reminds me of the business model of modern social media sites. Make the barriers of access as low as possible and profit off the activity on your network.

[@thistime3889]

​@@McDonaldsCalifornia Although it wasn't a business model back then, but more a social phenomenon of that time in Vienna. Otherwise it would have been the same in other countries, that had similar coffeeshops.

[@Dave_Sisson]

Here in Melbourne we had many huge "Coffee Palaces" built in the late 1800's. Some of these ornate buildings were 6 floors high and over 100 metres long. They were a reaction against excessive drinking, but unlike the hard line Americans who wanted to ban alcohol, most of the builders of these Coffee Palaces just wanted to provide a comfortable, civilised alternative to hotels. Most of them were demolished between the 1930s and 1970s, the huge Federal Coffee Palace (later Hotel) was an especially tragic loss, but one of the larger coffee palaces survived as the Windsor Hotel which is over the street from the Parliament of Victoria.

[@randomsmuck312]

What's the reason for their demolition?

[@Dave_Sisson]

@@randomsmuck312 Most of those grand hotels and coffee palaces in Melbourne (as well as the 10 and 12 floor high 1880s high rise office buildings) had a lot of small rooms that could not be opened up into larger rooms, so they were a bit dark and claustrophobic. After they were demolished in the 1960s and 1970s, many of the sites had 50 floor high office blocks built on them. From the late 1970s the few remaining grand hotels and older high rise office buildings had preservation orders put on them, but there were very few left by then.

[@MichaelCasey1988]

Is it historically protected now? Many countries it seems when through this age of mindless demolition from the 1950's - 70's of gorgeous ornate buildings

[@diamondinthesky4771]

I'm just imagining it like *Stalin is invading Berlin* Hitler - "Wait! Time out! Coffee time!" *Hitler and Stalin both walk into the nearest coffee shop and share a few cups* Stalin - "So, how's the wife?" Hitler - "Planning to be with me until the end, yours?" Stalin - "Dead, remember?" Hitler - "Ah yes, yes..." *They sip*

[@MLaserHistory]

WTF? ... also kind of funny.

[@diamondinthesky4771]

@@MLaserHistory My humor can be kind of dark sometimes....also didn't want it to be too long lol

[@ZaHandle]

ok back to killing each other

[@aneggselentfellow5607]

There's something dark yet funny about Germans and Russians ruthlessly slaughtering each other while Hitler and Stalin just call and/or visit each other over coffee.

[@Jartran72]

Hitler had no wife, as he officially claimed to be married to germany. Howewer he had multiple mistresses, most famous one Eva Braun ofcourse.

[@markozabic2255]

now I have to watch this video in Vienna at a coffeehouse

[@bruhbruh-us6gl]

Go to the same cafe where Hitler and Stalin met and then show someone this video

[@topshaggerdavid3587]

They sadly are closed rn

[@amina-pr8xt]

After Corona

[@m33LLS]

It reminds me of the 'bierkellers' in Munich where for instance in Hofbrauhaus am Platzl, Lenin and Hitler also regurarily visited.

[@MLaserHistory]

Also Mozart and the one and only M. Laser in 2019 :)

[@hanskuke3433]

Its insanly weird that you only have 90k subs. You make amazing content, and I hope you know that. I am a big fan! Your content includes educational facts, great humor and lesser known fun facts.

[@fz7788]

Even weirded when he got shouted out by one of the big boys

[@Sofus.]

One should not, underestimate the sense of security by familiarity and repetition for a certain section of the population. Where accent unfamiliar word choices and topics can be off-putting.

[@MLaserHistory]

@@Sofus. Sire, are you implying that I have "unfamiliar word choices" and a čudný "accent"? I am absolutely appalled by this, it's, it's, unabridgedly lamentable!

[@Sofus.]

@@MLaserHistory Sir I am deeply shocked and amazed that the Latverian Telegraph is at the disposal to the general public. I'm fascinated and interested in your culture, but would point out not everyone is that open minded.

[@subscribeorsus6862]

@@MLaserHistory I subbed

[@nirfz]

The only thing i would want to add: viennese coffe houses over time accumulated over 30 different ways of serving coffe. (you can still order a Melange, Kapuziner, Fiaker, Einspänner, Zarenkaffe, Verlängerter...) So what chains like starbucks way later started was common in those coffe houses for a long time already. But they served in porcellain or glas depending on what speciality you ordered instead of a plastic or cardboard cup with a sharpie name on it...

[@MLaserHistory]

Yeah, for example the tradition of serving a glass of water with your cup of coffee was started in Vienna.

[@sodinc]

It sounds so cool that I regret that coffe is borderline disgusting for my taste :( Also there was similarly well developed culture of tea-houses (чайная, chaynaya) in my country, that died during the last century - and it is a tragedy.

[@nirfz]

@@sodinc Interesting! Thanks for mentioning! I would have thought they were still a thing. (But then again the newest thing i actuallly remember reading, that mentioned a tea house in russia, was from 1917...) 🤫 Actually i don't drink coffee either. I like the smell, and the taste only if it is mildened down as a part of chocolade, icecream and cakes.

[@sodinc]

@@nirfz there weren`t any private bussineses of this type in USSR, and government and factories supported only canteens and few restaurants for diplomats in big cities, so tradition died for 70 years at least. Nowdays there is a huge number of different food and drink places, but evrything is remade from ground zero, few places keep soviet style, some are trying to recreate old traditions, but majority just copies foreign examples.

[@nirfz]

@@sodinc Sad thing! The path towards copying or being part of a chain for new businesses is something that threatens the existens of coffee houses too. Young people often are more interested in brands they see in Film, Videos, or used by Moviestars.

[@jerryj.2346]

The coffee house culture sounds like the internet. If someone creates a digital ballroom, the world won't be the same.

[@ludovitkrajcik4747]

A digital dancing hey this is fun...

[@m_uz1244]

The Internet is the modern equivalent. It's just the newest method used by the pensive classes to socialise and exchange ideas, although on a much bigger scale seeing as the pensive classes have expanded enormously over the last 50 years.

[@vammukittu]

Fortnite and gta online already tried it lol

[@crazycookfyrelomenot]

@@m_uz1244 you can see this happen real time on discord and even reddit or 4chan today. Who knows, maybe some of those guys i talk politics with on discord will be future world leaders, anything is possible especially with mass unrest coming up in 10-20 years

[@m_uz1244]

@@crazycookfyrelomenot Yeah it's somewhat fascinating but also a little infuriating. I only use Reddit for porn now because anything else on the website is just a shitty intellectual pissing contest with made up rules that change constantly.

[@silesiaball9505]

Great video. I am very fascinated how Austria-Hungary connected all these different people, united under one emperor.

[@MLaserHistory]

It was truly a very weird country.

[@mg4361]

It was a relic of the feudal age that somehow managed to make it through the age of romantic nationalism and into the 20th century.

[@scrumptiousbee1032]

@@mg4361 they almost made it to the modern era as the Danubian Federation, but collapsed near the finish line. So sad.

[@mg4361]

@@scrumptiousbee1032 As someone who comes from the area formerly belonging to the empire, I don't find it so sad at all. They weren't horrible, but their time was up. Essentially everything after 1848 was borrowed time, with the central autocratic government playing one faction against the other in order to stem the growing centrifugal forces tearing the whole thing apart. It wasn't just the ethnoreligious stuff, the economic development was incredibly uneven and generally lower then for other european countries of that time. The stuff that AH was about was protecting the Habsburg dynasty, the Catholic faith and the social status quo; the stuff that their subjects cared about were language, ethnicity, personal advancment and economic development. The state just wasn't useful for a majority of its citizens anymore.

[@MsPaintMr]

@@mg4361 People will say this and then sing praises of institutions like the EU 🙄

[@crazymangoz9583]

You really just clickbaited me into watching a video about coffee. But I’m not complaining! Never have I so much wanted to go back in time just to go visit a little coffee shop. Seeing such a wide array of characters, some even historical, and having newspapers from every corner of the world sounds so great. Excellent video, you earned a subscriber.

[@MLaserHistory]

Ahhhh, my plan worked :D

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

I like to imagine everyone who wasn’t a historical figure in a coffee shop was a time traveler. After all if you ever want to alter history by killing Hitler or Stalin, this is the place.

[@gabork5055]

Plot twist: -We're all time travelling assassins sent by the Reptoids and Anunnaki to kill people responsible for WW3. -Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

[@mf997]

Cafe culture might have died out in Vienna, but it's going strong in Croatia :D if you ever visit Zagreb or any other larger city after the pandemic, you can bet you'll see hundreds of packed cafes of all shapes and sizes. Great channel btw, not a lot of people talk about Slavic and central European history. Keep it up!

[@nirfz]

it hasn't died in vienna. (at least it hadn't before 2020 ;-) )

[@lukasbosina301]

It is not as big as in those days but coffee house culture in Vienna is still great. And it is a world of its own. I recommend to everyone visiting Vienna to go and have a coffee (or any other beverage they serve) in one of them.

[@aneesh2115]

I wish my city had such a coffee house tradition. Probably more like a tea house culture..

[@MLaserHistory]

Yeah I never read anywhere about tea houses being very prominent in any city. My understanding was that unlike coffee people could make tea themselves so it was more of a personal thing or an exclusive club thing. Although maybe somewhere I don't know.

[@TrafficPartyHatTest]

British?

[@MLaserHistory]

@@TrafficPartyHatTest Never heard of prominent "tea houses" or "tea shops" in England but I have heard of coffee ones like the afomentioned Loyds Coffee House.

[@hankbarcelona7314]

I think tea houses are/were pretty common in China, not sure if the culture of political discussion is the same though

[@NapoleonBonaparde]

Come to Croatia people here spend more time drinking coffee than they are spending time at work..there are certainly downside to this coffee culture.

[@ryanrusch3976]

the Coffee culture of Europe is one of the most interesting things I've ever learned about and no better place was this crystalized than in Vienna.

[@TheIvasyl]

There's actually a Ukrainian play called 'Viennese Coffee' whene the main characters are Hitler, Stalin, Trotsky and Freud, all of them are trying to woo a hot barista gils, who happens to be Ukrainian.

[@tasse0599]

What's the original title?

[@TheIvasyl]

@@tasse0599 Віденська кава

[@TheIvasyl]

​ @Tasse05 The authors name is Дмитро Корчинський.

[@bpeper1365]

This could be popular considering current events

[@dobriyranok7]

І, якщо не помиляюсь, вже відзнято худ.фільм за цією п'єсою.

[@czechmeoutbabe1997]

When you pronounced “Bedřich Smetana” correctly I almost spat out my coffee. Pozdrav z Čech :)

[@MLaserHistory]

Some people would argue I said more of a ž not a ř but I'll take my victory and run with it :D

[@qzg7857]

As a Pole i need to ask does smetana mean the same in Czech and Polish?

[@czechmeoutbabe1997]

@@qzg7857 in czech it means "cream", which is pretty close to the polish "śmietanka" if I remember correctly

[@fl0atpvnk]

@@czechmeoutbabe1997 so his name is Mr. Cream?

[@finnyliverpool89]

Bob Cream, yep

[@mcfronny]

7:31 for the trotsky, stalin, & hitler story

[@MLaserHistory]

It's not about the destination it's about the stuff you learn along the way :)

[@heartofgold5724]

@@MLaserHistory we want to the funy mustache men

[@Pietro-Smusi]

This was way more interesting than I tought

[@user-jv3mm6vt6e]

"I support the current thing"

[@Pietro-Smusi]

@@user-jv3mm6vt6e go home Ivan.

[@user-jv3mm6vt6e]

@@Pietro-Smusi "I you disagree with the current thing you are a Kremlin bot".

[@Pietro-Smusi]

@@user-jv3mm6vt6e ok Sergei.

[@costelc4077]

Late 19th century - early 20th century Vienna must have been quite an experience

[@user-ft9ul5ul5v]

It reminds me of an interesting fact - during Cold War Soviet satellites created a human traffic heatmap for major military installations in the US. There was a "red" hole in the center of the garden inside of the Pentagon building. Soviets thought that was an entrance to a secret bunker and designated this very coordinate as a target for nuclear anti-bunker aviabombs. In 1990s it's revealed that it was a small cafe, and almost all Pentagon staff frequented it, that's why it was red on the heatmap.

[@saidabachabergschdaigamuesli]

Discord is the modern Coffehouse

[@sass174]

Future politicians left and right are shitposting on discord and arguing in youtube comments right now. And I think thats beautiful

[@TheFiddle101]

Lovely presentation. Brought back memories of several days in Vienna, sampling the coffee houses and visiting stupendous museums.

[@johannesmaximilian848]

Thank you for this magnificent video on an unequalled european institution and heritage! Every time I am in Vienna I marvel particularly at the most historic and most distinguished coffee houses like the Cafe Imperial and the Cafe Central, what splendid havens of everything good in life.

[@erinmac4750]

What a information extravaganza! A joy to watch! I love when history is presented this way. Hope you and yours are safe today. Mahalo 💜✌️😎

[@colinjohnston5734]

This video and the time taken to put it together is greatly appreciated!

[@p7ytzxq]

This video makes me wanna visit Vienna

[@silenthunteruk]

Well worth it in my experience.

[@MrGuana141]

8:28 "And what are you gonna do trotsky ? Lead a civil war and overthrow the Russiand Empire ?"

[@YataTheFifteenth]

Trotsky: "That's one for the list. Noted."

[@hishamhilal8332]

Beautiful video man. Very informative and I love the topic, not much is talked about this usually.

[@JDB-channel]

Fascinating video! Your channel is a fine addition to my subscription collection

[@richardmcgowan1651]

Coffee Houses were the internet forums of those days. If you travelled around a lot you would always ask for a good Coffee House nearby.

[@ernstschmidt4725]

5:17 as weird as it sound, when explained in that way more than anything the viennese cafe reminds me to the internet than any bar or coffeeshop now.

[@darklex5150]

Came here for the meeting of hitler, trotsky, and stalin. Stayed because of austrian coffe culture. Nice video.

[@AshtonAU]

Great video. You deserve more subscribers!

[@Sorren-tb9fk]

So Viennese Coffee Houses was some kind of Reddit thread

[@schnarfschnarf5886]

Great video..I absolutely had no idea. Thank you

[@easternwind4435]

That's funny I did not hear a lot about those other coffee houses you've mentioned, some I didn't even know. Vienna and Budapest are the first places I think about when somebody says Coffee House.

[@axolotl-guy9801]

indeed me to

[@patavinity1262]

"...enthusiastically started using the new coffee houses as a meeting place for simple discord"

[@AhmetwithaT]

Sultan Murad IV of the Ottomans banned drinking of coffee and smoking of tobacco, blaming coffee houses for recent fires but the real reason behind the ban was the political nature of these establishments. Many revolts could be traced back to the conversations had in them. He wasn't the only Ottoman sultan to issue such a ban, and like all the others before and after him, his prohibition was also ineffective in stopping coffee houses.

[@sarubet8725]

Coffie was not banned. Alcohol was. (Ironic since Murat the IV was an alcohol enjoyer)

[@lukasbosina301]

As someone who grew up in Vienna I enjoyed the video a lot and there was still a lot I could learn. And to the rest of the world: drop into a coffee house next time you come to Vienna!

[@CC-yx2rt]

These songs are such good choices for this video.

[@lollertoaster]

Habsburg Empire is such a lost jewel. Imagine that everything that happens in Europe, happens in one city, the cultural capital of Europe. There is a lot of catching up we have to do after WWII and cold war.

[@elcompagenito3250]

"Mein fuher, do you know the leader of russia?" Hitler: "yes, I saw him in a coffee shop in Vienna."

[@deisk2707]

In 1933: "Stalin" "Yes?" "The man, elected as a Chancellor of Germany, are you aware of him?" *Shows electorial results with party leader's name on a graph bar "Wait, I remember this guy. But i cannot tell if he's the same man back from the coffee shop" 1939: *Hitler shows "Pact Alliance?" Paper "Oh okay, I guess it's him" 1941: "Oh you son of a bit-"

[@quanghuyvo6112]

@@deisk2707 " the alliance " was a cold war propraganda that is a non aggression pact, the su have the same thing with the japanese even when fighting the german

[@quanghuyvo6112]

@@elmascapo6588 so did turkey doesnt mean they are ally

[@quanghuyvo6112]

@@elmascapo6588 all of them eastern europe it a battlefield post russian revolution with all the new country fight each all other to gain territory that inclue poland when it go to war with all of ot neighbor for land

[@quanghuyvo6112]

@@elmascapo6588 it also doesnt justify the poles cooparating with the nazi to crack down the jews but politic is politic

[@JenniferinIllinois]

Vienna's coffee houses: serving Austrian hipsters since 1685. LOL!!!

[@Furioushunter]

Great work!!!

[@mynameiszer0]

This was actually a really interesting video. Thanks for sharing all this info, coffee houses really do sound like magnificent places. It is a shame that the internet and a general culture of dying social relations is killing them. In my country, there are still a few 'local coffee houses' but the discussions in them is nowhere near the level that they used to have in cafés around the world.

[@THEDAVILAK1]

Loved this video! Especially your French Pronounciation of neue Rundschau . Couldn‘t help but chuckle

[@MLaserHistory]

ehhh you know, can't win them all. in my defence, it totally looks like a french name.

[@THEDAVILAK1]

@@MLaserHistory Nono don't worry! I can't expect someone who's first language isn't german to know that. PLUS I don't want to bite the hand that feeds me (videos) :)

[@Abraxium]

Wonderful video! I have known about this for some time, but I love seeing it in a video. If I ever rise to political prominence, know that I never visited a Viennese coffee house (but aspire to) but rather frequented Coffee Club da Galileo aswell as Caffé Vienna in Trento

[@DerpyPossum]

This oughta be the greatest “Friends” parody i’ve ever seen.

[@vuxigeck5281]

That was... strangely beautiful. Amazing!

[@BernoldBear]

On the subject of smoking: In the 19th century, operators even artificially spread smoke in their coffee houses to show potential guests that there was a lot going on here

[@thunksouce3342]

The way you said "Neue Rundschau" killed me man xD Good video though

[@muqsitjalal2225]

The background music is making me sleepy, so I will go and make coffee after watching this video. Lol:) Nice work I came here due to oversimplified

[@atsekaleb7]

14 minute video for a single coffee shop. God bless you madman

[@MLaserHistory]

I mean I mentioned other coffee houses as well.

[@adrianaslund8605]

I kind of want to bring back the coffee house. Or tea House. Some kind of stimulant herb and alot of intellectuals gathering at one place. And have the herb only be used in certain establishments. Like how in the case of the elysian mystery cult greeks would gather at a certain temple at a certain time of the year to drink a concoction laced with ergot (containing LSA) while simultaneously it would be illegal to take it home with you. Sounds pretty cool.

[@brendenmccrudden5860]

Kava bars are good modern equivalents in Florida, but there’ll be vapes and whatnot.

[@chris7372]

Oh nice a Stefan Zweig quote, I quite liked his autobiography even tho its rose coloured glasses all the way up to the max.

[@SgtRocko]

Wonderful video! Wasn't Joseph Roth a known habitue of Viennese coffee houses? Also - when I was in the Titovi Pioniri in Jugoslavija, the coffee houses throughout the Republic ALWAYS had great coffee (of course) with šlag - because Tito was notorious for loving Kafee mit Schlach. When later I lived in Vienna I HAD to frequent them... my favourite admitted that they got their coffee from Bosnia (which explained why it was so good LOL). Thank you for this video!

[@yoshisuckstoes]

....saving this for my sitcom script

[@davids1854]

I read it has Stalin trostky and Hitler walk into a Vietnamese restaurant

[@MLaserHistory]

You would be surprised but multiple people had this problem. Apparently declining the word Vienna makes it very similar to Vietnamese.

[@davids1854]

@@MLaserHistory that's pretty funny.

[@sirxander5420]

I live in Vienna and when I went to Dublin I was really surprised about how many Starbuck's there were. The Viennese coffee house culture never died, you'll still find coffee houses everywhere, and many different people still visit them.

[@DulocGuardsman]

A crossover that we did not wanted but we need

[@slyasleep]

If only they had stayed at the coffee house.

[@MeinUnterkampf]

Suddenly I have gained the urge to visit Vienna!

[@hglundahl]

Lovely! "I don't know. Nobody has ever dared smoke in my presence."

[@aorum3589]

Tito, Archduke Franz Ferdinand and Emperor Franz Joseph also lived in Vienna at this time.

[@lukas_2701]

You got a sponsor! Congrats!

[@MLaserHistory]

Thanks, got to buy those Christmas presents with something :)

[@SignedWhatever]

@@MLaserHistory Thats awesome. You do a great job. Thanks for uploading!

[@tomfrank9447]

Of course it makes me proud when someone, especially a foreigner, makes a video about the coffee house culture in my hometown. It's also all wonderfully researched, but I ignominiously miss a mention of Cafe Hawelka, which even a Viennese songwriter, Georg Danzer, was worth a song "Jö schau..." and there are only a few Viennese who don't know the text by heart . The Hawelka, which was only taken over by Leopold Hawelka in 1939, was and still is an institution where the cultural scene met. Well-known painters (e.g. Ernst Fuchs, Friedensreich Hundertwasser), writers (e.g. Heimito von Doderer, Günter Grass, Friedrich Thorberg), actors (e.g. Oskar Werner), cabaret artists (e.g. Helmut Qualtinger) frequented the Hawelka. Many a painter, who was still unknown at the time, paid his bill with pictures that old Hawelka then exhibited in his cafe... until the person in question became a celebrity. For your defence, I have to admit... the video would really be too long!

[@Sophisticate99]

Is there good table service in Viennese coffeehouses? Self-service and lining up to pay at the counter is the norm for example in Australia and the USA (not just for coffee but most other things). In other countries, customers can by default remain in their exclusive tables and either waive at or press the button to summon the waiting staff for orders & payments. So just curious, as I havent been in Austria yet.

[@MLaserHistory]

Depends on where you go some have table service some don't. Historically speaking they all use to have table service but times change and so did some of the coffee houses in Vienna. But all the "traditional" coffee houses like Cafe Central still have table service.

[@dandyl1on]

One peculiar Viennese tradition is that while the service should be of high standards even when in low level establishments, the waiters often would display a very grumpy to angry mood and would treat customers very bluntly with harsh or cynic - but also very honest - remarks, especially if they are not in a similary bellicose stance. While you sometimes still find this in coffeeshops and restaurants with long traditions nowaday, this is not something to expect in very service orientated businesses. Source: am Viennese.

[@MrGreg0034]

table service is the norm here but don't expect a nice smile on the waiters face while serving you

[@greenbutter3190]

Stable video 👍

[@osirisgem]

I adore history and have a soft spot for even obviously bad historians if for no other reason I know better and I can't hate anyone who is actually trying. That being said I have for a very long time considered your channel to be far and away the best in terms of accuracy, historical detail and clear non episodic accounts that rely on factual corroborated data when recounting historical events, persons, nations and governing bodies. It's true there are more popular and more entertaining channels that I do really love however, when I want to be entertained I watch them, when I want to learn I watch you. Thanks again and you don't get paid nearly enough for the work you do and that is a god damn tragedy.

[@hititmanify]

Dont apologize my friend. Ur videos and ur pronounciation are perfection.

[@adamthomas7505]

History's greatest crossover

[@selkie698]

I like that ur using the music from the dutch theme park efteling

[@antonioklaic4839]

This makes me want to live in the past and be a regular coffee house attender.

[@frozenyogurth]

I mean, Coffeehouse culture in Vienna is still going strong. Cafés are my most favourite place to people watch, you hear some really interesting conversations of many different people.

[@ahmadtarek7763]

It's insane that a shit ton of ww2 important characters existed at the same time in the same city. It's actually more insane than the endgame crossover, which isn't even real.

[@charlescalthrop2535]

Anyone else think this would be a cool concept for an anime? Just having all these influential people chilling in a cafe in 18/19/20th century Vienna.

[@jonasvolitsa3824]

Imagine if they meet, and decided to be roommates, due to their lack of funds. Weirdest Friends' fanfiction ever...

[@sam1503cd]

Good video

[@dominiksimor9082]

Super video :) would you consider making slovak subtitles ?

[@MLaserHistory]

Too much work for not much pay off.

[@ZZ-zu7ht]

Tito (from yugoslavia), was also there, he was working though, and didn't visit the coffeshop all that much .

[@fiumerijeka9213]

Gavrilo princip was maybe also been there

[@lebendigesgespenst7669]

It’s crazy to see how the world was so interconnected in its own way back then

[@RedStarRogue]

This totally reminds me of the Louvre Cafe in Prague, which Kafka and Einstein used to frequent. Dined there myself in 2012.

[@Cherb123456]

Wow! Thank you!

[@gengarzilla1685]

8:20 hit me like a brick. Talk about tempting fate...

[@wildtexan2096]

plus cafe central has great apple strudle.

[@MicroB_O]

I think everyone should know all of us working subscribing I think you should do it because the more subscribers he gets the more channel will improve

[@SignedWhatever]

Fantastic video!