Critiquing my Viewers Miniatures (A LOT of Beginner Advice!)

[@gabrielbradley6214]

Why the fuck would anyone watch this

[@silence2472]

Why the fuck would anyone go out of their way to state something so useless

[@epiccgamner3567]

@Griffin Does Why the fuck would anyone go out to state something so useless about someone stating something useless

[@AxerionxX]

@@epiccgamner3567 why the fuck would anyone go out to state something so useless about someone stating something useless about someone stating something useless

[@chadcaughmann7898]

Why would anyone sit through an art class critique session? Hopefully to learn and improve.

[@BigVillyStyle]

Hahahaha I love this shit

[@wtfpieisgood]

The demonstrations you did in photoshop were immensely helpful.

[@andrewpackham8236]

Came down here to say the same thing, so useful!

[@Randytravis247]

Yeah I’ve not seen anyone else do this, so helpful to visually see what he is explaining, great video

[@christopherlake1648]

Ditto!

[@LennieFogelberg]

ye big time!!!

[@garlottos]

Agreed 100% It's a great teaching aid, I know exactly what he's trying to say without having to be familiar with the terms

[@NecroMancer84]

Shout out to everyone who submitted pics, especially the new painters! It takes guts to do that. Remember to take the critiques seriously but NOT personally

[@DerAua]

What they did helps everyone.

[@nickjohnson2570]

@@DerAua oh for sure!! I might have the balls to show my poor painting attempts to people now.

[@SpaghettyLuvsU]

@Nice Brain It's the difference between _knowing_ that fact and _feeling_ it. We aren't really mentally wired for anonymity in that way. Having a piece critiqued in front of your peers can be extremely uncomfortable, like you've been stripped naked and everyone is poking and examining your every inch. While the artists in this case do have the separation of the Internet to insulate them somewhat, our ape brains can only conceptualize that intellectually; it still _feels_ like you're being hauled in front of the class to be peeled and scrutinized like a dissected frog.

[@poggestfrog]

@@nicebrain6962 it's scary to post something that took you potentially 10 or 20 hours to make online knowing someone will critique your paint job and point out all your mistakes.

[@notnubilous3804]

It's all fun and games until you have to remove knuckle mold lines from 120 Boyz

[@dawnofwarspacemarine]

Just started collecting orks and I felt this to my core.

[@daxidol1447]

@@dawnofwarspacemarine Just tell people that your Orks really believe that they have lines over their knuckles, problem solved. :^)

[@Ravared]

@@daxidol1447 that's so meta 200IQ xD

[@Chris-jl6vp]

Uh-oh.

[@hulejul9748]

or 10000000 necrons :D

[@joetapson9583]

6:27 Me: Wow that's a nice paintjob Trovarion: Disgusting Me: Disgusting

[@trovarion]

:D

[@devoiceiddee7459]

Omg that looks tasty Artist Ramsay: It's raw Me: Raw

[@grone1778]

I really liked it as well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@rileighjackson8746]

I know its not very realistic, but I actually really like the matte vampire at 6:27!

[@trovarion]

Don't forget to leave a like! If this video gets to 15.000 likes I will make a video where everyone can submit an entry and I will be critiquing every. single. one. You might have to share this with your friends, I am afraid otherwise we wont make it!

[@acidcoen]

You definetly got a like from me. I think it's brilliant what you're doing. I've been painting for about a year now but there's not a single person in my life I could talk to about it, and you don't even know how I'd like to exchange ideas with someone and get any advice.

[@ethanjungbauer1554]

You're a madman

[@trovarion]

@@ethanjungbauer1554 true story!

[@onedollarminiatures.]

even wips, if so i got a couple to say the least lol...

[@trovarion]

@@onedollarminiatures. definitely no WIPs

[@power_SERG]

I'm currently a quarter way in and this is intimidating to even watch, but at the same time it's probably the healthiest thing I've ever watched when it comes to the hobby. We need more of this. Thank you.

[@dawnofwarspacemarine]

Videos like these are beyond helpful when just starting out as a painter. Being able to see your own mistakes in other peoples paint jobs, then corrected by someone who has such a wealth of painting knowledge is so awesome. Thank you for everything you do, Trovarion your content is incredible.

[@trevorhill5560]

When I started painting minis two years ago I was lucky to find trovarion. Best teacher out there. I have backed him on patreon ever since. A true professional 👏 👏 👏

[@sophovot5079]

you should do side by side/before and after pictures of your photoshopped versions and the original pictures, just to really see the impact

[@Sugar-Foot]

god of chromatic dragons: exists Trovarion: "too chromatic!" god of chromatic dragons: awww :(

[@EnkilTheForgottenone]

I thought that too. Don't use too many chromatics... on Tiamat Godess of Chromatic Dragons.

[@JulieanGalak]

Came here to say this. I get the critique, but Tiamat is supposed to have 5 heads of five different colors. Those, specific, colors...

[@iremainteague5653]

Lol

[@njabruzzo]

This was great; your use of Photoshop to explain your points is exceptionally helpful. I'd like to see hear more about how to paint Tiamat (five-headed chromatic dragon); using multiple (in this case five different colors - and pulling them together in a compelling way. Thanks for the video!

[@TheAzSharpe]

I could be wrong, but my understanding of colours would mean you would need a brown/black body to draw all the colours in to. Not saying it's impossible, but the more colours to put together the harder to do it smoothly. I could be wrong though, it's happened before

[@Haven_games]

This was amazing! The photoshop demonstrations on the models themselves took the advice to the next level. It's amazing because you can hear the advice, but seeing how such small adjustments can improve the results is so encouraging! Thanks for doing this.

[@matthinton19]

Man I wish id found this channel in time to submit a picture, the chance to get advice from somebody at this level is invaluable. Plenty of beginner friendly advice for me

[@AnAfinityForKarma]

The lighting on your face is a really smart touch to this video, we're constantly being reminded of how lighting affects surfaces. Kudos ;)

[@Sabamonster]

The moment you started talking about how the next section would be different because it's a bit pretentious to say what is right or wrong based on creative artistic choices, I subbed. You're not only a legend of a painter, but you're a good human; with a lot of perspective. Not just about painting but life in general, that much is clear.

[@KamekazeKuban]

Man, your intro didn’t have to out my inner monologue about my painting like that, also love the Warhammer Keanu Reeves bit. Classic and I can’t unsee it bro lol

[@Karina-Loves-Andreas]

I enjoyed watching these! If anyone who submitted reads this...ALL the submissions were MUCH BETTER than average, and several were really exceptionally good for an amateur! I hope they all appreciated & got some value from the critiques, I know I did! We all have room to learn & improve, and Trovarian is a GREAT TEACHER!💥❤💥

[@jimphillips6532]

Great video! Thanks for the feedback!! Yes the deep creases on the face were a pain. Everyone's feedback was mega helpful

[@RavenMinis]

Your level of criticism is great. It's incredibly constructive and you don't sugar coat things, would love to submit a model I'm submitting for a local paint competition

[@marmite_popsicle]

Hey I followed your advice from last week, and do have to say that it worked wonders. Changing between projects and different paint styles really motivated me to paint more. Thanks!

[@azrielslytherin2604]

That dragon is a miniature of the Dragon Queen Tiamat in Dungeons and Dragons, she literally looks like that.

[@PureCellx]

Shes the queen of chromatic dragons its kinda the point, I painted my own tiamat though and I agree the white and black need to not start as pure colours

[@azrielslytherin2604]

@@PureCellx fair enough hoenstly, black and white don't need to be the pure colour, I find that a very light blue can often be a great base of white.

[@jamesschmames6416]

I am very impressed by the feedback. And the illustrations of what he was describing was invaluable. It also shows that the host is a true artist and not just a miniatures painter. I figure he could probably do a decent job on the Sistine chapel

[@Humatra]

I thought it was going to be hilarious ripping on awful paint jobs. You understand painting from the bottom up and can relate and articulate the most useful information across the entire spectrum. Awesome, and thank you for the video.

[@mackthebrush]

I love how good a reference this video is for skin tone with a warm light source one side and cold one the other

[@the_musing_kravist]

One of the best videos you’ve shot. You really show how much thought goes into each model.

[@peterlageri4177]

The photoshop demostrations makes it so much easier to understand what you would like to see changed. Never stop doing that. It is very valuable.

[@protanomania7284]

You are constantly making the best miniature painting content on the platform.

[@grandpasguitars1098]

Lol honesty is the dopest form of currency. Learning alot from the critique and demonstrations, thanks!

[@crazyd3m0n666]

This was so helpful! I improved massively after watching this video. With all the explanatins and the photoshop moments. I hope you make more of these videos.

[@grishakaleesh4207]

I've only been watching for maybe half a minute and I'm already enjoying it. I'm adding this to my watch list!

[@Seven_Swell]

Honestly this is one of the most helpful videos I've seen in years. It felt like every model you commented on was an "aha" moment for me lol.

[@bluefangs867]

Great advices ! It's nice to see you have an advice for any painting lvl people are on. Look forward to the next one!

[@enveritas4948]

The effort you went to showing your take in photoshop is really helpful. You could do that forever and I'd watch every video.

[@Chaotenfreak]

It's awesome to have an austrian painter here on KZbin! 😁

[@alexwalker4075]

Big up Christoph for absolute gold advice throughout.

[@ralfhelbigslf]

I really liked the feddback on the first miniatures. Because those tips will help a lot of people a ton. You gave some nice feedback on painting TT-minis in general that I need to keep in mind. I'am mainly focused in larger scale miniatures and busts and therefore still strugle with painting smaller miniatures. Bigger miniatures are imho easier to paint. So kudos to everyone who paints those little bastards. Woohoo ... that was long. Thanks for the love. I would add some more critque to my miniature (milb0r's Zombie Detective). Besides from the obvious lack of detail within the hat (I just couldn't paint on on it. I wasted hours on textures that I toned down later to a state where they aren't readable anymore). I noticed that the highlight-intensity on the upper lip is kinda turned upsidedown. I wanted the eyes to stand out and by the main-focus. I pre-sketched a way harsher shadow around the eyes, cast by the hat, but lost this harschness throughout the painting process ... not sure if this is a good or bad thing. Cheers!

[@chad2687]

that last marine was stunning. super smooth blending. I agree that the extra highlights make it better but they look incredible aswell without them. super nice painting style imo Tasso

[@amphibic_boi]

Whoever did the Overlord: You rock my guy

[@stuartmitchell6991]

Can I just say you are a fantastic teacher. I've just started my mini journey aged nearly 62😂 so will be watching and studying lots.

[@gavingarza1795]

Wow Trov, great video! This is like, some kind of high budget Vince Venturella production.

[@OwenWilliamsvfx]

I would pay to see that

[@finlayhazlitt9411]

Its so helpful being shown what the changes you suggest do in real time. Particularly with more extreme gradients, which is something I struggle with myself!

[@TheMathieuJonathan]

Thanks for the video! You using the program where you take a photo of the mini and adjust the colors is so helpful, thanks!

[@viracocha03]

As a new painter, i must say, seeing some of these models really makes me feel good about my level of painting, lol.. Glad i found this channel last night. I watched most the video on your orc skin and you really seem to paint very similar to how i paint, i like how you call it "sketch" style, i had been watching other videos and was worried about my style, the time it was taking me to put on layers, ect. I painted for a while a couple years ago but it was just a base coat, dry brush and wash. When i started to paint again a few months ago i started to do more shading, wet blending and got a wet pallet, i learned i like my paints watered down a lot and put more coats. Will be coming back to this channel a lot. Thank you.

[@DaBozinator]

Very informative video. Just started mini painting in recent weeks and this has been very helpful. Thank you.

[@1AngelAlita]

I love critiquing videos, they're very informative and helpful.

[@crabdoesnothing8213]

Love the honest feedback.

[@NoradNoxtus]

My god, so much good advice. Especially the PS sections!

[@BombatGeneral]

Great models all and a helpful video of critique. Happy modelling!

[@boyish_robot_giggles1020]

I loved this vid! Using photoshop to help show where an artist can improved is a great teaching tool - often these style videos are like "do better" , "contrast contrast", "saturation" however your explanations are of great quality.

[@baitbait65]

Awesome. Thanks! Comments for the algorithm!

[@LeopoldZ]

this umber is RAW! But jokes aside, this is a really nice video !

[@ieatstheinternet]

I really appreciate some good criticism. This video is fantastic for that.

[@Llwyd42]

Comment for the algorithm! May it please the machine spirit! Solely for the warhammer Keanu line hahaha

[@charleyedwards2121]

when you started painting the images it became perfectly clear how i can improve!! thank you! this was actually full of useful info - subbed

[@MrHupo]

I really liked the @53:25 looks like concept art or something like that

[@UntiltedName]

the chaos cultist at 7:30 made me think he's wearing camo pants, which would be really cool if done well.

[@samuelstephens1989]

Another great video. The Photoshop editing was awesome, it's so cool to see how we shouldn't be scared of adding contrast and pushing it higher

[@the_elder_medium]

I said I might skip through it when you asked about interest, but then I watched the whole thing. Great content!

[@fredericdesrosiers3059]

I learn so much stuff through this video ! This is awesome thank you ! ! Seeing painted model done by normal humane + The way you explain how to improve and why/how to improve the model via Photoshop was really clever. I can't wait to go back to paints some minis now and try some new stuff ! Do this again please !

[@savagepoodle321]

For some reason I always thought that Games workshop had honed in on the best way to paint the miniatures they produce but now that I watch this vid, I realise I thought that because I was just over loaded with Games workshop tutorials and info and didn't broaden my horizon. Thanks for such a great video and not shying away from actual criticism!

[@CarlosSempereChen]

I think their style is good at showing you what you’re going to get when you buy a miniature - it’s probably the right choice for that particular application.

[@Devayen]

This is so informational, love the photoshopping to show what you are talking about. one thing I would say is if you do another of these, maybe put up the comparison of your photoshop next to the original picture to show how much of an affect it makes. Thanks for the hard work!

[@duncancumming5285]

this is an absolutely magnificent video, thank you! The photoshop parts are amazingly helpful. Your direct advice and polite criticism is also superb.

[@joanneworrell5936]

I have to agree with Chaw about the helpfulness of photoshopping the changes. Explaining things and showing them are two different things. Submissions (including anywhere minis are judged) makes it very hard to do so with a black background. Not for judging is fine as it can really give atmosphere to the figure. Otherwise dark figures blend into the background and cannot therefore be accurately judged. It makes me wonder what is trying to be hidden by it. In this case I always knock off a point.

[@halfpastzen]

Another great video, your content /critique has been molding itself into a mental handbook for me.

[@AdnanCucak]

Learning a lot from this video, thanks so much!

[@darklord4345]

1 hour of minis 10x better than mine getting ripped to pieces... time to paint some more I guess.

[@dlvnmedia]

I say that all the time - I have really really bad shakes so I enjoy the build and conversion side more than I can the painting

[@sharghaas7774]

That was such an insanely good video. The photoshop parts were so helpful to understand some of the concepts!

[@Gorgonas]

Nice, constructive comments on all of the examples. Videos like these urge me to get back to miniature painting. I find your educational/cognitive approach quite unique and humorous. Kudos, Christoph! It is difficult to find such content on KZbin so I hope you keep your theme. (I know you will, it's just a matter of signal to noise amplification to get those 10/15k likes for the extra video :P)

[@bobbyrossall5411]

Hi. Thanks for your comments on my work. It was my 5th mini ever. I was expecting more criticisms but you were quite tame 😀. I followed your tutorial for the blood bowl orc but didnt quite nail it. I will go back over it with the advice you provided. Thank you

[@gizzmoe8739]

Fun to watch, great tips as well. Got yourself an upvote!

[@Weusten1]

omg this is the best video, i have seen in a long time!!! Super helpfull tips for shading, contrast. The tip for the red cloak, to shade with black color and use a red for a highlight opend my eyes!!! I always use a Pink or Yellow and dont like the outcome xD BIg Thank YOU !!!

[@MrDavs1985]

Possibly the most helpful video ever

[@podwick7222]

Really great information, thanks for making this video!

[@dirkgijsen5077]

This is just great!!! Goals you can actually make and NO WASHES!!! or a bare minimum. Great advice and great humor... as always

[@fatal_pastry1176]

Ah darn, I missed this. Hopefully I can contribute if there is a next time. Kudos for the photoshop, it's so much better than just verbally explaining your feedback!

[@MassimoCristofolini]

Great video! Now I will rank my progress based on this video, applying the hints you gave step by step

[@shanewalker3427]

Late to the game but this video is awesome. Definitely picked up some areas for improvement on my own minis from the examples. Thanks!

[@13Robzilla]

Not just another great video, but an awesome shirt as well. Double win!

[@imcg]

Epic video, first video I've seen of yours. Impressive, you're clearly an expert in the field, can't wait to go through your others.

[@JustAnotherAccount8]

Permittivity is also a good method of critique, you should really tell them what they have done right (especially for the earlier ones), that way they won't end up changing that up aswell. And it also gives people the drive to actually work harder

[@NeoGlitch1999]

"Too many chromatic colors" -a critique for the miniature of the queen of Chromatic Dragons, Tiamat

[@D00M3R_MAVS]

a good thing for doing red capes is to get the red/black and soft black washes from secret weapon. I'm going to be using these on my admech. They're more like a glaze than a wash though, and are very high pigment. they're great for glazing in shadows. just leaving this here for anyone that might be doing capes or robes.

[@MrSuperflowus]

Thank you very much for your feedback! I really appreciate it!

[@daniel_subramaniam]

Awesome video. I learned a lot. Thank you

[@adamtoth3611]

I really like the color and scheme at 40:00

[@oleksandrradchuk8813]

I really like photoshop visualization helps to see problem areas and how to improve painting

[@crips2668]

That was so detailed and damn helpful! Thank you so much. Please keep those kind of videos coming. You´re the man!

[@Mystical_Socrates]

Very professional and compassionately applied critique! This is a new channel for me, but I can see I will learn a lot here.

[@Terran0va_Plays]

Most of these models looked absolutely fantastic lol. Tough crowd

[@thejonathan130]

"They're keeping me in a basement..." I wish my bedroom looked that nice, let alone my basement.

[@emilydowd-arrow3751]

Thanks so much! I appreciate the discussion on chalkiness. That was an issue I’ve been having and now I’ll have something to try.

[@mr.rainbowphd2209]

I would love it if you did this again, it was very helpful.

[@bicskeiz]

Very useful and honest feedbacks!

[@matt123miller]

This was so informative and educational. I'll try and take some of these suggestions to my own painting.

[@MrLoser-vn4lw]

critiquing Tiamat's canon appearance, I can dig it

[@BT271]

The Gordon Ramsay of miniature painting ^^

[@anthonyunwin2081]

More amazing content, keep them coming 👍👍👍

[@paultheyorkshirereaperjone3310]

Amazing feedback on all the models, its helped me realise where I've been going wrong and how to fix it so thank you very much 😊

[@rayb241]

This is an amazingly helpful video.