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[@rimlandrealist7679]

oh girls... you never heard of the Trojan horse, of the odyssey, of the aeneid... no references...

[@Saintphoenix86]

@@rimlandrealist7679 It makes me wonder what people are learning in school in america and australia

[@flagarth]

@@Saintphoenix86 It is sad to see the West in general not teaching history, especially about Ancient Civilizations.

[@Saintphoenix86]

@@flagarth Very sad indeed

[@yew2oob954]

I used to think this movie was so stupid...a woman so beautiful that it was worth going to war over...then I saw MaryCherry...I'll take on the whole planet!! 😍

[@editpopulation]

For Sean Bean to live, 95% of the other characters must die.

[@Rottooth]

My personal theory is he only accepts roles in which he dies cause he has a fetish.

[@MichaelSmith-yv3pl]

In The Martian everybody including Sean Bean survives.

[@VaughanCockell]

Unless he's in a TV series, then he survives and constantly triumphs - Sharpe.

[@OolTube02]

@@Rottooth I don't think he could have insisted on his character Odysseus dying. That would require a lot of 3,000 year old retconning.

[@ninkd0311]

​@@VaughanCockellGoT

[@jacklegend5798]

It boggles the mind that two adults have somehow never heard the term "trojan horse" in their lives. This was a lot of fun to watch; I look forward to another collab in the future.

[@OolTube02]

On the other hand that gives you the rare advantage of not having the ending spoiled for you.

[@zalaathrun20]

yeah specially in the age of technology were in the case com computer virus, a trojan virus is the most mainstream known even for those not well versed on the matter, and considering that the name comes from the Trojan Horse, and is also always used as an expression for whenever a deception or plot is being made hidden with a seemingly good intention. And a bet that the expression of a wolf in sheep's clothing might be a new telling of the same or teaching, since many expressions when contain some important teaching are often re-worked to better fit the people's context of the region.

[@jacklegend5798]

@@OolTube02 No arguing that. It's not disappointing; it's just surprising.

[@Bad_Wolf_Media]

I'm sure if you used that phrase, Trojan horse, they would know it as a colloquialism, but there simply wasn't the connection to this story. They obviously don't have a lot of knowledge of Greek legends/fables, because they didn't seem to realize Achilles was (mostly) invulnerable.

[@lockrobster7928]

Not surprised by it. A lot of young people nowadays lack knowledge in pop culture and trivia.

[@dillonstrom9542]

The kid Paris gave the sword to is supposed to be Aeneas, the ancestor of the twins Romulus and Remus the founders of Rome, meaning the Trojans formed the Roman Empire.

[@WalesTheTrueBritons]

Indeed. And another Trojan general who said to have survived was Brutus who would go on to give his name to Britain. Brutus was highly revered in Britain (Specifically what is now Wales for over almost 2000 years). With the the three major three being that of Macsen Wledig (Magnus Maximus, Founding father of Wales), Caratacus, and Hu Gadarn (legendary founder of the “Celtic” civilisation)

[@johnnyavalos9109]

Year and year later. Trojan peoples got their revenged. Roman Empire dominated the Greeks.

[@knoahbody69]

@@johnnyavalos9109 That is literally another epic. The miniseries with Eric Roberts and Armand Assante is the most accurate.

[@lalamla1879]

@@johnnyavalos9109 Nope, the real descendants of the Trojans, the Turks took their revenge in 1453 :D Fall of Constantinople

[@DeHerg]

@@lalamla1879 WTF? Are you high? The Turks originate from the Siberian steppes, north of china. Where would you even get the idea that the Turks would be the descendants of Troy?

[@ChrsLee78]

“No father ever had a better son”… said the man who time and time again chose to listen to his advisors over that same son. 🤦‍♂️

[@ChrsLee78]

@Narkomancers you mean the same advisors whose advice lead to the fall of Troy? 🤣

[@dannyadams4765]

The trick with the horse is where the term "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" comes from

[@nrkgalt]

Also beware of gifts bearing Greeks.

[@Daveyboy100880]

The saying that derived from this period should really have been “Beware of Trojans - they’re complete smegheads!”

[@kevinramsey417]

"This is such a sneak attack!" it is literally where the term 'Trojan Horse" comes from.

[@orangewarm1]

Literally

[@danielcastillo9587]

They're slow

[@gussmoon1111]

No way 😂

[@ThePartisan13]

I wouldn't say Paris redeemed himself, he literally shot a warrior in the back. There's a reason why he's known as Paris the coward in mythology.

[@scientia.veritas]

Literally the worst character in the film. He only gets a pass cos Orlando Bloom is handsome. Even Agammemnon was a better character than him.

[@scientia.veritas]

Literally the worst character in the film. He only gets a pass cos Orlando Bloom is handsome. Even Agammemnon was a better character than him.

[@zippyparakeet1074]

@@scientia.veritas Lmfao how is Agamemnon a better character? What? Paris was just a boy who fell in love. Agamemnon had been itching for an excuse to go to war with Troy. He is the real villain.

[@jayeisenhardt1337]

@@zippyparakeet1074 Agamemnon is making a civilization outta warlords and goat herders. Paris was just running around trying to get his carrot wet pissing off a lot of people till he finally went too far.

[@Daniel.Belas1]

​@zippyparakeet1074 nah I think Paris was the real villain for going after another kings wife, causing the Trojan war leading to his kindgoms demise and cowardly killing Achilles

[@antoniolmartinez8426]

The two coins are for the boatman Charon who ferries the dead to the under world. Two of my absolute favorite reactors together!! Beyond awesome!!!

[@johnmince1303]

Remember to give Charon one coin when you get on his boat and only gim the second once you've crost Styx.

[@ArchKnightGamingRealm]

yup, the dead must pay a toll to the next world

[@helifanodobezanozi7689]

And to merely keep the eyelids from opening up involuntarily.

[@jean-paulaudette9246]

What does he do with the money? He 'Styx' it in the bank!

[@magnificentfailure2390]

@@helifanodobezanozi7689 Why would anybody want to poop at a party?

[@noxteryn]

I love how you are shocked by the extent of Achilles' wrath. That's literally the entire story of the Iliad.

[@nemo5225]

The opening of "The Iliad" (Lombardo's translation) RAGE: Sing, Goddess, Achilles' rage,/ Black and murderous, that cost the Greeks/ Incaculable pain, pitched countless souls/ Of heroes into Hades' dark,/ And left their bodies to rot as feasts/ For dogs and birds, as Zeus' will was done.

[@kellymoses8566]

He was an angry boy.

[@dallesamllhals9161]

@@nemo5225 Hmm, hexameter sounds better in danish 😛

[@LukeLovesRose]

I still care about Victor

[@jculver1674]

People really went into this movie not realizing that Brad Pitt was playing the bad guy.

[@spikesecho724]

.....Achilles had nothing to do with Troy's downfall. He joined them in the horse to get behind the walls and find Briselles. That's all. He even tried to save some lives. The Trojan Horse was Odysseus' plan, so the Greeks could swiftly win, rather than have Agamemnon send them all to their deaths unable to breech Troy's walls

[@Matej_Sojka]

In this movie. In Illiad he was long dead. Paris shot him from the city walls.

[@spikesecho724]

@@Matej_Sojka I'm watching a reaction to the movie, not the book, so I'm commenting regarding the movie

[@knoahbody69]

@@spikesecho724 This is literally an epic poem that's hundreds of pages long condensed in 3 hour movie. Even the longest version of this was a miniseries and I think it left stuff out. The Trojan war goes on for years.

[@spikesecho724]

@@knoahbody69 Yes....and.....

[@drakeloki4214]

I'm pretty sure the Battle between him and Hector was a thing too.

[@dereklopez9060]

It really sucks that Hector had to pay the price and die for his brother's stupidity. The fight between Achilles and Hector is so well choreographed.

[@chetstevensq]

The king you love is Peter O'Toole, nominated for 8 acting Oscars and legend of cinema. A Lion in Winter, Lawrence of Arabia, The Stuntman and My Favorite Year are all deserving of viewing today with four totally different performances.

[@kw7378a1]

Ashleigh should definitely watch a Lion in Winter. Fantastic movie!

[@paulabarr4239]

My Favorite Year is another great Peter O’Toole movie😊

[@wonder777warrior6]

thanks for the recommendations:)

[@robincraft4682]

"Get up! Prince of Troy get up! I won't let a stone take my glory!" My favorite line in this movie.

[@Rikrik1138]

There are no pacts between lions and men

[@ChurchNietzsche]

"There are no alliances between men and lions."

[@Rikrik1138]

@@ChurchNietzsche I was quoting the film, not The Iliad.

[@ChurchNietzsche]

@Rik J. so was I. When Hector faces Achilles after Patrecle's death. Hector:: let us make an agreement, whomever wins will give the loser full burial honors. Achilles: "there are no agreements ..." ergo: First, Ima kill you. Then, ima FU up

[@ChurchNietzsche]

By the time he gets to "Get up Prince of Troy ..." Achilles is saying "You are dead already. This, is about the story they will tell."

[@RichardFay]

"Everybody thought it was Achilles..." and Hector fought him anyway even though he knew that Achilles can't be beaten. That's just one more reason why Hector is the hero of the story,

[@flatebo1]

Hector is not the hero of the story. This is just a story about heroes. But in Greek culture, heroes have tragic flaws. Hector's flaw is, among other things, misplaced loyalty. He defends his immoral brother form the consequences of his actions. He defends his city despite the king, his father, abetting Paris in his abduction of Helen thereby rekindling the very wat he sent Hector to negotiate an end to just a couple weeks earlier. No matter how noble a man might appear to be, if he defends a kidnapper form justice, he isn't "the" hero of that story.

[@dpcnreactions7062]

WOW, neither of them have heard of the "Trojan Horse"?

[@barbaralenihan7451]

I was thinking the same thing. I knew about it in grade school.

[@keitht24]

😂😂😂. Their genuine shock threw me off. I was thinking "wait they never heard of the Trojan Horse"? 🥴🥴

[@NathanS__]

Paris giving the sword to a random kid carrying an old man is actually a shout out to Rome's founding myth (which was absolutely fan fiction the Romans made) where the survivors of Troy escaped lead by Aeneas traveled to Italy and founded the city of Rome.

[@fergalmoore862]

The Irish have a similar myth where the Gaels who came to Ireland from Iberia were originally from Troy.

[@WalesTheTrueBritons]

@Fergal Moore a tradition they get from the stories of Princess Nest. The true origins of France, England and Scotland are heavily intertwined with the Britons, of Wales. Paris for example comes from the Parisi tribe who settled in what is now North eastern England. They would eventually move into France and settle the area of modern day Paris. This tribal name directly comes from Prince Paris of Troy. With the Fleur De-lis being a continental take on the ancient Brythonic Awen Symbol..

[@WalesTheTrueBritons]

I find it funny how everybody believes everything the romans said as fact, yet when it comes to their founding, which connects them to the Britons. All of a sudden it becomes “Fan Fiction”. What other important history that has British origins is seen as Myth again?

[@rafaelalodio5116]

The Aeneid by Virgil is probably the oldest fan fiction in history

[@chrisf2636]

@@rafaelalodio5116 more I didn’t know, as I only came across Virgil as a character, in that “Comedy”, that councils The Poet as he enters hell.

[@DarthLoki]

Can we just take a moment to marvel at the fact that while most everyone else died, SEAN BEAN SURVIVED!!!

[@OolTube02]

Odysseus not going on an odyssey after this would have been odd.

[@LukeLovesRose]

So true. Its practically a miracle

[@jculver1674]

I like to think that he read the script, noticed that his character survived to the end and immediately said "I'm in!"

[@spacewolfvtmedia]

Yes thank you and not die or anything

[@losthor1zon]

Poseidon had other plans for him.

[@roger3141]

It was Ulysses who was in the horse. He then sacked the temple of Poseidon who took vengeance on the journey home. That is the Odyssey and it took 10 years to get back to his wife and son. The Trojan war lasted 10 years. So it took Ulysses twenty years to get back home.

[@dansegelov305]

*Odysseus

[@ansur1783]

​@@dansegelov305same person, it just the roman translation

[@wonder777warrior6]

@@ansur1783 most people know about Odysseus.

[@viniciusdantas9997]

I always find it so surprising when people don't think about the "Trojan horse" but hey they got the "Achilles heel" that's something 🤣🤣🤣

[@wilgarcia1]

As the story goes Achilles mom dipped him in some magic stuff. but since she held him by his heel that remained his only vulnerable part.

[@danhelphrey6260]

It was the River Styx she dipped him in, because she had a vision that his life would be glorious but short and she was trying to prevent it...Greek mythology is very big on not being able to beat Fate.

[@Sharnakh]

The Fates* (:

[@duanebidoux6087]

The coins on the eyes of the dead are a payment to Charon the ferryman who is carrying the dead’s soul across the river Styx into the land of the dead (which I believe, in this case, would be called Hades, but I’m not positive that this was the name of the afterworld used by both Trojans and Greeks).

[@klast6816]

Queue Willem Dafoe: “Kinda makes me feel like riverdancing”

[@stevealms4971]

True, and if this wasn't done, they would have to remain on the river Stix for 100 years before they could be ferried to the next world.

[@tileux]

The area where Troy is believed to have stood in Asia Minor - now Turkey - was entirely populated by people we would call ‘greeks’ today. As such, there were minor differences among the people of asia minor and the people in ‘greece’ but religious differences were not one of those - the entire Black sea and eastern Mediterranean was a Greek pond at that time.persians and turks were not even on the horizon of events.

[@codykirchner9606]

Hades is the god of the underworld, not the name of it. The underworld itself had many parts, all with their own name.

[@ThePartisan13]

I was wondering what the "Symbology" there was.

[@JG-fv9bv]

Helen of Troy is often referred to as "The face that launched a thousand ships"

[@Daveyboy100880]

That means she had a face like a bottle of champagne 🍾

[@Frostbyte23x]

My dirty mind is telling me terrible things

[@losthor1zon]

@@Daveyboy100880 🤣

[@VaughanCockell]

Another point about the Trojan Horse was that it was a horse because it was sacred to Poseidon, and Poseidon was the main deity of Troy. So leaving a Horse could have been a peace or respect offering, if it hadn't been a trap.

[@sherigrow6480]

Them saying, how could they build a wooden horse, while looking at a thousand wooden ships that the Greeks, um, built

[@briansanders8122]

I thought they'd said it was a tribute to Athena.

[@IAmHumongous]

I always found it ierd they would make so much of the small number of men inside the horse and not the main thing, that they brought down the wall to get it in..

[@benwagner5089]

@@sherigrow6480 The thing about being a sailor is that you have to bring everything with you that you'd need in case you have to make repairs, even a new mast.

[@VaughanCockell]

@@briansanders8122 My mistake - just checked Wikipedia, and it was stated to be an offering to Athena.

[@Cherokee9898]

It took 5000 years + to discover the city of Troy. Up till then it was believed to be a fictional place from Homer’s books.

[@ricardoaguirre6126]

Makes you wonder if any of the Iliad's characters were inspired by real people.

[@sirderam1]

3000 years. The Trojan War, if it really happened, is thought to have taken place near the end of the Bronze Age, about 1200 years BC.

[@Khazdrul]

Man it's a shame you did not know the myth of Achilles. Thetis (his mother who was a sea nymph) dipped Achilles as a child in the waters of the River Styx, by which means he became invulnerable, except for the part of his heel by which she held him-the proverbial 'Achilles' heel.

[@juliodavila424]

Also, when Achilles meets his mother, she's in that shallow inlet. A sly nod to the the myth which I really appreciated.

[@goat1408]

If only she dunked him....and then again holding the other foot lol

[@dansiegel995]

However I loved the way they showed his death, 3 arrows in the chest, one in the heel, and he ripped out the 3 in the chest before he died. Thus, was he a demi-god? Which came first, the real death or the legend??

[@antondzajajurca7797]

Waste of explanation Mark. These girls don't read.

[@gustavovm491]

Norse mythology has a similar character in Siegfried who became invulnerable after bathing in the blood of a dragon except for a spot on his back where a leaf fell on and is killed while drinking from a spring by Hagen.

[@johnirving5949]

You mentioned Achilles' speed. In the original he was known, among other names, as the fleet-footed mankiller. Even in the legends he didn't rely on his invulnerability.

[@sreggird60]

Odysseus has an odyssey ahead of him after this.

[@TheEclecticSkeptic]

I would've loved to see Sean Bean in his own epic... But it was not to be.

[@HemlockRidge]

You should have said, "SPOILER ALERT"!

[@ThePartisan13]

​@@TheEclecticSkeptic Imagine how expensive that would have been to make.

[@jonfox4022]

@@ThePartisan13 O' Brother where are thou did a pretty good Odyssey for a 5 million dollar budget.

[@R3troZone]

@@TheEclecticSkeptic They made a 2 part tv miniseries back in 1998 of the Odyssey starring Armand Assante

[@JPShadow]

Achilles didn't push the attack on troy through, the king did. he knew that it was gonna happen and the city was gonna fall. He joined the trojan horse to get in so he can find her and keep her safe when the city falls. You guys didn't pay much attention in this movie, were to busy trying to make jokes, its a shame as this is actually a great film.

[@stephenniehaus8635]

The Iliad was fiction. The gods are involved, moving behind the scenes. It gets very divine. Troy is a secular telling of the tale. In the book, Achilles was invulnerable to all mortal weapons because his mother dipped him in the river Styx, all except his ankle, which she held him by. He bleeds out when he's shot in the ankle. It's definitely not a historical novel, but historians are feeling that Homer based his story in real cities. Troy, the city, was considered fictional until the ruins were discovered decades ago.

[@johnnyavalos9109]

According to the studies. Achilles died by a poisoned arrow that was shot by Prince Paris.

[@knoahbody69]

Still, you'd think they would know Achilles tendon injuries because they're common in athletes and old people that over do it.

[@-Knife-]

"Hector knows he has Achilles on his heel" LOL perfect line from Mary.

[@iamjoaovicente]

what about "That means paris is king now, lord help troy" lmao 25:45

[@brachiator1]

In the original Troy myth, Menelaus and Agamemnon both survive the war. Menelaus and Helen are reunited. Agamemnon returns with treasure and one of the Trojan princesses. Odysseus has further trials and adventures before he gets home again.

[@michaelleung4816]

Agamemnon also got killed by his wife Clytemnestra who was also Helen's sister.

[@rafaelalodio5116]

@@michaelleung4816 it was because he sacrificed their daughter for the gods to calm the seas, right?

[@michaelleung4816]

@@rafaelalodio5116 It was for a favorable wind but yes he sacrificed their daughter.

[@chriswerth918]

Paris fulfilled Achilles' greatest wish. It was the arrow of the prince that granted immortality to the warrior's name.

[@kroanosm617]

Mary was completely lost. Achilles didn't plan or lead the final attack. He knew they would be successful without him so he just wanted to save Briseis

[@SleepySloth2705]

6:35 Funnily enough in the Iliad, Helen was happily married to Menelaous until she was kidnapped by the goddess Aphrodite on behalf of Paris, and Paris was a massive manchild 😂

[@stephenniehaus8635]

Brendan Gleeson, who played Menelaus, wasn't old when he filmed this movie. He was 48 at the time. He was a brawny dude, not an old man though maybe he was graying. Brendan also played the big brawny Scott in Braveheart a decade earlier

[@MrRyguy2112]

The general of the Trojan army was played by James Cosmo who played Hamish's father in Braveheart. He was also a lord commander for the wall in Game of Thrones.

[@patrickb4750]

Patroclus wasn't Achilles cousin, Hollywood changed their history to appease the movie-going public because they were intensely close and spoke like lovers to each other. It's a mystery whether Achilles was gay, bisexual or straight since there is evidence of relationships with both males and females, but his attachment to Patroclus was by far the strongest, they were even cremated and buried together in the same urn.

[@TomorrowWeLive]

modern made-up labels don't apply to mythical characters from thousands of years ago. Ancient Greek paederasty had nothing in common with modern Western homosexuality

[@SkareEk]

I don't know where you people come with those "facts" but you could just check for the actual history before you go on with the conspiracy theories 😆

[@jarlnils435]

Patroclos was either a Companion of his father, his cousin, best friend or lover. Depending on the version. Hollywood choose the cousin version. Every version is at least 2300 years old.

[@kinsmart7294]

24:56 That is Aeneas. The mythical founder of the city of Lavinium that created an colony named Alba Longa, from that city came Romulus and Remus, the mythical founders of the city of Rome. Its all told in the Aeneid. The Illiad, Odyssey and Aeneid are basically an trilogy

[@noxteryn]

I was honestly surprised by how much they didn't know about the lore. They were even surprised by the Trojan Horse. How is that even possible? Obviously there's no shame in not knowing something, I just found it very unusual.

[@florianlion8215]

The important thing to know about Achilles is that he is literally a demigod. According to greek mythology he’s one of the grandsons of Zeus. So Achilles is always protected and motivated by devine powers. That’s one of the reasons why he’s almost invincible and such an amazing worrior.

[@FartoTheClown]

That random guy, Paris gave the sword to at the end was Aeneas, whose role in this movie was pretty much just a cameo, even though in Homer's Iliad, he is a much more major player, who leads the survivors to build a new kingdom, which eventually becomes Rome.

[@shurikanshadowscales4371]

I noticed there were a fair number of questions, so I’ll address the ones I remember. 1. You asked if Apollo was her husband. No. In Greek mythology Apollo was the gif of the sun. 2. The coins. The Greeks believed that when you died you had to be cremated with two coins on your eyes. The coins would be used to pay for passage on the ferry to the underworld. 3. You guys mentioned how much Odysseus talked. That was his whole thing. He was by no means the best fighter but he was considered to be blessed with incredible cunning. The Trojan Horse was his idea. 4. Achilles’ Heel. While in this movie Achilles is just a very skilled fighter, it was different in the original mythology. There, Achilles had journeyed to the underworld and bathed in the River Styx. In return, he was made invincible. No weapon could harm him. However, in exchange, he was given one weak spot, his heel. If any weapon stuck that weak spot he would die.

[@davidgalvez5341]

I can't believe Mary lost the chance to exclaim: "Great balls of fire!". 😲

[@SG-js2qn]

The Iliad is a tragedy. It's also a tragedy that kids these days don't know what a Trojan horse is.

[@johnnyavalos9109]

Nope. The younger generation just skipped or their present history teachers decided to have them focus on Black History. Or false history.

[@Daveyboy100880]

Just goes to show that even in this day and age, a story that came out 2800 years ago can avoid being spoiled for some audiences!

[@chefskiss6179]

YAY, I thought this wasn't coming out till Monday so this is a welcome surprise! Thanks for this one, you two 😁

[@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935]

Same. I was pleasantly surprised.

[@hiperchyld]

Aeneas isn't a random person. He took the survivors of Troy and founded Rome. Rome,of course, later, conquered Greece and the rest of the known world at the time.

[@WalesTheTrueBritons]

Aenaeus isn’t some random guy, he would be the legendary founder of Rome. The other legendary Trojan to found a civilisation would be Brutus, who is said to be the founder of the Britons (Modern day Welsh people) and where the island of Britain gets its name. Which effectively made the Romans and Britons Kinfolk. Which could potentially be one of the reasons why the modern Welsh look back on Roman control of Britain with a bit of fondness. They even have a national flag that is said to come from the Roman Draco Standard. Many early British (no not English) Kings traced their lineage to Rome.

[@thor1829]

Small correction: Aeneas founded Alba Longa, his distant descendants were Romelus and Remus, who founded Rome. Another myth that has its origin in Roman Brittain is King Arthur, who originally was thought to be a Roman general who defended the island with this 'knights of the round' against Anglo-Saxon invaders.

[@WalesTheTrueBritons]

@Hajo Nah, The Arthurian “Myth” is 100% Rooted in historical fact. And there wasn’t a solitary Arthur but rather two of them. The first one being Andrigathius who was indeed part Roman stationed in modern day Colchester and ruled Warwickshire in modern day England. His direct descendant was The one who fought the Anglo Saxon English and he lived and Ruled in Glamorgan and Gwent in What is now Wales. There are genealogies proving such. There were Sarmatian Knights in Britain but they were stationed nowhere near Colchester, Warwickshire or Glamorgan and Gwent.

[@IAmHumongous]

the Aeneid was a fanfiction, commissioned as a puff propaganda piece..

[@WalesTheTrueBritons]

@Hugh Mungos to what end? There is a lot of evidence that suggests it was indeed Real.. btw,. All of history is Embellished, but to use a blanket statement like fan fiction is not correct.

[@thor1829]

@@IAmHumongous A lot of history from back then was just that, fanfiction. Some ancient """"""historical""""" texts are hilariously biased.

[@wardafournello]

There was never a war between Greeks and Trojans. A war broke out between the Achaean alliance and the Trojan alliance, which according to Homer was a Greek civil war. The Achaeans and the Trojans had kinship, common gods and customs, and the same language. This history is written and no one can change a single letter.

[@Avalon19511]

The myth is that when Achilles was a baby his mother dipped him into a magical pool that granted him invurnability, this is why he was so hard to defeat, the downside was that his mother held him by his ankle when she dipped him in leaving that as the only place he could be struck.

[@Avalon19511]

@hephner78 I thought it was that but I wasn't sure:)

[@MarelorMoon]

They usually placed two silver coins on the dead eyes to pay the ferry man who would bring them to the underworld over river styx. In legends, that's also where Achilles was bathed by his mother to become immortal, except for the ankles where she held him

[@Daniel.Belas1]

"Let them say i lived in the time of Achilles" favorite line in the movie. Imagine how it'd feel if they said that about you. Like who in our modern age will go down in history like that, like Achilles and Agamegnon are both known but for different reasons. Of course leaders and government will go down in history but will there ever be anyone that will be feared like Achilles was, just a warrior whos named ascended into legend and mythos.

[@stephenfitzgerald9769]

Achilles is one of the archetypal inspirations for Anakin Skywalker. The first line of the Iliad is about how his [Achilles’s] failure to contrhis own passions brought tragedy to the Greeks. Knowing that, it creates some interesting parallels in the scene where Achilles discovers Patroclus is dead and the scene where Padme meets Anakin on Mustafar.

[@ElliotNesterman]

_The Iliad_ is only the middle bit of a large cycle of poems about the Trojan War. Sadly, except for _The Odyssey,_ Odysseus's long voyage home, the rest of the cycle has been lost. We know about the start and ending of the war only from myths and legends. As was commented elsewhere, Achilles rage is the central theme of _The Iliad._ The first line of the poem is, "Sing, O Muse, the anger of Achilles."

[@jobymahon2871]

As a marine. "Duty and honor" dont mean shit when someone hurts your friends

[@Nostalgio]

I’m from Ashleigh’s channel! I enjoyed your reaction to part 1! This has got to be one of the best collabs in a long time. You play off one another so great! 💯🙌🏼

[@shakarussanders9911]

Ashleigh's face at 3:30! She did the bunny teeth 😂

[@lottalotto691]

Achillies got some of that post 🥜 clarity , and was like “you know a family does sound pretty nice” 😂

[@hansolo699]

😂 the trojan horse. what a surprise 🙂I loved your reactions.

[@jlbelshan]

To be fair, Agamemnon didn't bring his army that far just to watch his brother kill Paris and bring Helen home. He'd still have found some other excuse to stay and get his war on if that had happened.

[@kevinscott59]

Indeed. It's established that Agamemnon is an arch-imperialist early in the movie with the scene involving the Thessalonians.

[@markcole5108]

Didn’t like how the movie killed Agamemnon. He went home, finally returned home after being gone for 10 years, and was murdered because his wife had fallen in love with another man.

[@OakandIV]

So much fun! Great watching! Patroclus was Achilles lover. The studio apparently thought people couldn’t deal with a Bi hero, even if the myths aren’t shy about it.

[@melenatorr]

Correct, and it's a pity about that.

[@alexandrebatista627]

Originally Patroclus was not his lover, that was a later some (400 years later ) intepretation that now a lot of people just accept as fact.

[@tileux]

No - thats totally untrue. All we know abput Achilles comes from The Iliad - and that idea is not in The Iliad. What the Iliad DOES tell us about Achilles is that when Agamemnon dared take an important female captive from Achilles, Achilles completely sabotaged the Greeks’ entire expedition. You can read that as a lot of things, including that Achilles REALLY liked women (or raping them, anyway). What you cant find is anything other than Patroclus was Achilles’ friend. I really dont know where people get this nonsense.

[@rosiehawtrey]

Cousins, cousins.... In conclusion; cousins 😂. And when Patroclus gets whacked in the "in 15 minutes" version. I laughed for a week!

[@billdouglas8701]

Patroclus as Achilles’ lover is an interpretation that has no support in Homer’s actual text. In this case the filmmakers were correct to leave it out.

[@hw2508]

It is interesting that women often don't fully get this epic stories. Where are all the romantics gone? "No woman is worth that kind of drama." Common, if anything is worth this kind of drama, it is the right woman.

[@kevenpinder7025]

Sean Bean's "Odysseus" got cleaned up a lot in this telling. Brilliant and cunning, he was also a prize cut throat you would never want behind you with a blade. One character, always omitted, was Diomedes, one of the other Kings. Throughout the epic poem he was always the "steady Eddie." He and Odysseus snuck into Troy for a bit of larceny. Diomedes was careful/lucky and caught Odysseus about to backstab him. He disarmed Odysseus and marched him, at sword point, back to camp.

[@ShortyLongstrokin]

"All to a knife with his throat!" File that to the list of great Ashleigh Burton quotes.

[@kaojinn]

Coins on the eyes of the deceased: So you can pay the boatman (Charon) for passage across the river Styx (river of the dead) on your way to the underworld. Trojan Horse: The same term we use today for an inconspicuous package containing a malicious payload. Achilles Heel: The legend goes that Achilles mother dipped him in the river Styx when he was born to ward him from death. she gripped him by the heels to dip him in the river, so it was his only weak spot. Patroclus: In this movie, they pronounced it (Patro cleese), but its believed it should be pronounced (Pat rock luss) and that he wasnt Achilles cousin, but rather his partner/lover.

[@stinkystu1]

"Because there wasn't enough men." You forget that for most of recorded history women died at roughly a 50% rate during the birth of their first child.

[@jonathanwyman3869]

You’ll be sad to learn that Hector goes out pretty quickly against Achilles in the Iliad. Achilles chases Hector for a while before taking him out with a quick spear throw

[@Rottooth]

if it makes you feel better, Paris gets got in the original story.

[@penguintaco9038]

And poetically. He's left to die by his former lover who he left for Helen.

[@johnnyavalos9109]

His real story, Paris died by archer. Never ran out of Troy. That is a real story.

[@gluuuuue]

Yah, this movie is some hilarious fanfiction.. I'll never get over the SWORD of Troy!

[@NefariousKoel]

Herodotus also mentioned one (contested) side of the later story had Helen ditch Paris and run off to Egypt with some other dude. What's good for the goose...

[@gluuuuue]

@@NefariousKoel Yeah, Helen's the Ur-Trophy-Wife.

[@brennazajkowski8106]

I’m so happy you guys collabed!! I had to watch this movie in high school and I still rewatch it occasionally so I’m glad you guys enjoyed it :) if you guys are looking for some more suggestions in the same vain as this movie, I would totally suggest Alexander which came out the same year as Troy. It is about Alexander the Great and it is widely seen as a flop, however I quite enjoy the movie and I’m curious to see what you guys would think of it!

[@glenketchum6379]

You and Ashleigh are probably my two favorite movie reactors!, The two of you in collaboration!!! Who could ask for anything better!!? LUVED IT!!!!

[@kyrosv1289]

YEESSS!!!

[@tomaskennedy]

14:14 The coins are to pay the boatman, who carries the person's soul across the River Styx into the afterlife. If the boatman isn’t paid, the soul is condemned to wander the underworld for eternity.

[@tinamardt7734]

Kind of sad and surprised that the legends of Troy… face that launched a thousand ships, Trojan house and Achilles heel are apparently no longer generally known.

[@benwagner5089]

Wasn't she also cursed to be a seer, but no one would ever believe her prophecies? I might be mixing that myth with another one.

[@joelwillis2043]

I bet they can recite Kardashian lore though.

[@michaelwatson266]

​@hephner78 or actually read, maybe watch some documentaries. People should always try to gain knowledge outside of what is taught in school. It's how we grow. Especially about history. That's why history repeats itself. Nobody actually learns history and the important lessons that were learned are forgotten from general knowledge and the same mistakes are made again.

[@HonestOpinions4u]

@hephner78 was born in 89 they still taught it in the 90's

[@HonestOpinions4u]

@hephner78 yes

[@FlashHits60708090]

Good movie, Ben hur from 1959 with Charlton Heston is also very good.

[@jonathanhill4366]

Really never heard of a Trojan Horse, huh?!

[@sherigrow6480]

😄

[@marthapackard8649]

Hard to believe. :-/

[@citydweller99]

Lack of intellectual curiosity.

[@alijaffery7735]

So legend has it, that Aeneas (the kid who Paris gave a sword to) travelled with the survivors of Troy and eventually founded what becomes Rome.

[@infinitemartialist]

So I said it on Ashleigh's channel and I'll say it again here, you two should definitely do this more often. Heck, make it a regular thing! You two play off each other so well. It's so fun to see you both react together!

[@akumakami64]

Interesting thing about the escaping survivors of Troy. One legend say that the Trojans that escaped Troy went onto to found the City of Rome.

[@danielaponte8594]

I loved this movie. I know the final is tragic, but the epicity of the plot and performance are great. I studied this war since I used to play Age of Mythology.

[@BM-ef2ph]

“Well, Hector knows now, he has Achilles… on his heels” ♥️. A woman who tells dad jokes 🙌🏽

[@kennethst.bernard2710]

The Iliad is a wonderful story. Whether it is factual or not, Troy was a real place. It was also destroyed in antiquity. I also enjoyed the character of King Priam. You should get the audiobook of the iliad and the odyssey. They are must reads for your appreciation of literature. Enjoyed your reactions.

[@MsFlyingSnake]

"Paris is the hero." No he's not. The Illiad is the story of Achilles and his rage. Most of the story of the Trojan War is mythologized history of what first united the Greek kingdoms in to one. Hellas is what they call themselves because they consider the treaty regarding Helen to be what first brought them together. But this version leans into the love story between Paris and Helen so it makes him much more sympathetic.

[@Bossman68123]

And as the story goes, Achilles was invulnerable all over cos his mother put him in the special water. The only bit that didn’t get covered was his heels as that’s where she grabbed him from when he got dipped

[@merchillio]

Moral of the story: dip your son once, then hold him by the other foot and dip him again

[@Bossman68123]

@@merchillio but everyone knows you shouldn’t double dip 😂

[@crazyguy_1233]

If I recall the two coins are for the dead to pay the ferry man so they can cross over into the afterlife. The legend goes that the city of Troy was leveled completely. They tore the walls down, destroyed the statues completely, and demolished all of the buildings until the entire city looked like a huge pile of stones. The ruins are thought to have been found but during excavations to catalog it they were destroyed again.

[@FutureBoy85]

Mary Cherry and Awkward Ashleigh! The team-up we didn't know we needed! ❤

[@SleepySloth2705]

24:56 Well, Aeneas wasn't exactly some bloke, he was a son of Aphrodite(the goddess of love and beauty), who would lead the surviving trojans to the land we now know as Italy, where his grandsons Remolus and Remus would forge the Roman Empire

[@thesilent74]

" Beware of Greeks bearing gifts"

[@taun856]

Or of Gifts bearing Greeks!

[@tubekulose]

"Quidquid id est, timeo Danaos et dona ferentes." 🙂

[@markc4008]

I gotta say, I absolutely love this collab. Mary with the jokes, Ashleigh's laughter as she enjoys them. It brings a smile to my face.

[@stevenhernandeznon-profitf968]

1000% more collab

[@ChrsLee78]

“You’re the best man I know”… “You’re a prince of Troy”. Like responding to “I love you” with “I know” or “thank you”. 😁

[@iisanulquiorrahara8]

Isn't "I know" considered one of the most iconic responses in movie history, in all fairness?

[@chameleonvr4]

Hi ladies! Shout Out from the US Marine Corps! OMFG I am so excited you guys did a video together! Popcorn In Bed Cassie and Cinebinge Simone recently did a video together and I absolutely loved it. Can't remember the name of the dog movie they watched but they cried their eyes out and so did I! So I am so excited to watch part 2 right now! Lets get into it!!!!

[@michaeldmcgee4499]

Everybody cries ther eyes out at the end of "Hachi"

[@chameleonvr4]

@@michaeldmcgee4499 O yeah Hachi! I watched the whole reaction b/c I haven't seen the movie! Also I hate ppl, well don't hate but dislike ppl, that vote on a poll on 6 movies and they've only seen like 3 out of the 6 movies! Don't be that guy! If I haven't seen one of the movies in the poll then I'll watch it or the ones I haven't seen and then vote on the pole. Or I won't vote at all! I think this is only fair but ppl are only going to vote on what they've only seen reguardless of my opinion. I just can't do this. Thanks Michael!

[@brucewilliams4152]

Sean Bean plays world great Oddyseus,who survives the war, spends 10 years getting home to Ithaca

[@joshritz7067]

All this death and carnage came from a beauty contest between the Goddesses

[@HemlockRidge]

I'm quite sure that very few know the reference.

[@joshritz7067]

@@HemlockRidge not entirely certain I get my own reference. It's been around 20 years since I read Iliad. There are bits and pieces still shining through the mental fog.

[@donaldb1]

@@joshritz7067 No, you're quite right. Eris, goddess of chaos, threw a golden apple into a party on which was written "For the fairest". Immediately the goddesses Hera, Athena and Aphrodite fought over which of them should claim this and for some reason they decided to choose Paris as a judge. Each of them tried to bribe him, Hera with worldly power, Athena with great wisdom, and Aphrodite with the love of the most beatiful woman in the world. Being the lad we know him to be, Paris went for Aphrodite and that's why, when he meets Helen while on an embassy to Sparta he feels ok carrying her off for himself. It also means that Aphrodite was on the side of the Trojans in the war, while Hera and Athena were on the side of the Greeks. But this movie leaves out most of the god stuff.

[@HemlockRidge]

@@joshritz7067 donaldb1 knows the reference.

[@Adam-fj7bz]

I've been following ashleigh since she started her channel during the pandemic, shes one of my favorites.

[@gersonribeiro374]

Fun fact: The reason why Achilles gets so mad when Patroclus dies and goes beserker mode, is because in the source material they weren't cousins, they were lovers.

[@fergalmoore862]

No, in the source material there is no indication that they were lovers. The earliest references to pederasty among the Greeks doesn't occur until long after the setting of the Iliad.

[@melindamuller4466]

@@fergalmoore862 It was at least enough that two philosophers argued about who was which part, not even if it happened.

[@johnnyavalos9109]

That is a myth. Because Homer never said they were. Read the book of Homer.

[@melindamuller4466]

@@johnnyavalos9109 Well, it is implied enough, that greek philosophers didn't discuss the if, but the how.....

[@johnnyavalos9109]

@@melindamuller4466 The opinion is not always the truth. Many peoples can have an idea of Achilles and Patroclus. The way I see it. They're like brothers' bond. Achilles' real love is a princess Breseis. He was supposed to marry her after they fell in love. Never happened because he died.

[@charlespeliska7054]

In the movie here they portray Patroclus as just Achilles' "cousin", though it is generally recognized that he was Achilles' beloved, and when Patroclus was killed it absolutely drove Achilles insane with grief, rage, etc.

[@Grimlock1979]

The Odyssey contains many fictional elements, so it makes sense that the Iliad was fictional as well. It may have been influenced by real events. The thing with the horse likely didn't happen. The story about Achilles' heel is that, when he was a baby, his mother dipped his body in the river Styx to give him invulnerability. But because she held him by his heel, his heel was unaffected.

[@chaost4544]

It's kind of crazy this story is still being portrayed in media despite it being thousands of years old. There's something eternal in humanity that can relate to the themes in this story despite the significant time gap from the Bronze Age to the Information Age.

[@cometgirl217]

Excellent colab! The way you two bounce off each other is amazing 🤩

[@khalidcabrero6204]

The "random bloke" escaping at the end is his cousin Aeneas, the ancestral father of the Romans. In the movie, Paris gives Aeneas the royal sword of Troy for safekeeping. Very nice that they added that little detail. It is a symbolic fulfillment of the prophecy in the Illiad that the royal line of Troy will continue through Aeneas. The Romans believed themselves the descendants of the Trojans. According to legend (told in Virgil's Aeneid), Aeneas escaped from Troy with a small group of Trojans and sailed to Italy. He and his group of Trojan refugees (after intermarrying the locals) will become known as the "Latins". King Aeneas of the Latins is the great-great-great-.great-grandfather of the twins Romulus & Remus, the she-wolf babies who will actually found the city of Rome.

[@davidryall-flanders6353]

Does no-one remember Eric Bana in the first Hulk movie by Ang Lee?

[@carlosspeicywiener7018]

That wasn't the first hulk movie. The incredible hulk, starring lou ferrigno as the hulk, 1979, I think.

[@davidryall-flanders6353]

@@carlosspeicywiener7018 oh yes my friend I've never forgotten Lou Ferrigno and Bill Bixby. I was born in 1967 and the '70's were my childhood. Shows like The Incredible Hulk, The Man From Atlantis, Wonder Woman, Greatest American Hero and far more than I can remember now (I'm 56 and my memory is dodgy).

[@dpcnreactions7062]

I do and I liked him as Banner more than Edward Norton.

[@davidryall-flanders6353]

The only reason I brought up the Eric Bana connection was because he is in this film and I don't believe neither Ashleigh nor Mary Cherry (who I believe is Australian) mentioned any of Eric's background. Yet they slobbered all over Orlando Bloom and Brad Pitt

[@davidryall-flanders6353]

@@carlosspeicywiener7018 When it all comes down to tin tacks their has only been one real life Hulk and that is Lou Ferrigno.

[@susanlawens3776]

Well, true story or not, there's so much to learn here. "Achilles' heel", "Helen: the face that launched a thousand ships", "the Trojan Horse". There's probably more, but that's it off the top of my head. Also Sean Bean has died so many times, it is debated who died more, him or Kenny from South Park.

[@dpcnreactions7062]

Yeah, this is the youtube team up that I never knew I needed to see! I want more Mary and Ash!

[@-NOCAP-]

How did you enjoy the team up? They talked and laughed over every second of the dialogue. They missed 95% of what was said

[@kant12]

@@-NOCAP- It's edited to focus on their content. Plus Troy isn't that deep.

[@-NOCAP-]

@@kant12 they talked and laughed over every important exchange of dialogue in the movie, there was nothing edited about that fact

[@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935]

I hope they do another collab.

[@kant12]

@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 same