True Ultra Instinct Goku Explained

True Ultra Instinct Goku vs Gas in Dragon Ball Super Manga Chapter 86 and 85 brought new questions. What is Goku's connection to Bardock vs Gas? We discuss how True Ultra Instinct ACTUALLY works and compare it to Completed UI. ‪@jordanthedragonlee1270‬ joins in for this special.
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[@paulerxx]

Goku's perfected UI will be what he looks like at the end of Z...Base form.

[@anthonytrevino3191]

But with striking silver eyes

[@omnijonn277]

That's right!

[@iGotPinkSox]

Yes

[@tercial]

No silver mastered form?

[@SSJ491]

But my own question is...while Dragon Ball Super has Ultra Instinct forms (Sign, Mastered, and True UI form), and Dragon Ball Z doesn't have that. Do you think that Dragon Ball Super is going directly to the end of Z, where we get to see Goku meets Uub at the 28th Budokai Tenkaichi tournament alongside with his God forms?

[@marceljohnson9634]

Honestly I think this has to do with how goku viewed his saiyan heritage, he's never really fully accepted it ever since it was first introduced by raditz, he's always considered himself a saiyan raised on earth. It hasn't really been until broly that he even referred to himself as kakarot. I believe finding out what kind of saiyan his father was that he has really begun to reconcile it fully... his acceptance of who he is was key to finding his own true version of ultra instinct. He's no longer distancing himself from his heritage....

[@user-hl6ls8sv4t]

Doesn’t even connect

[@ZayDeyknow]

You must have seen the frieza saga

[@windghost2]

I hope he finds out about his mother. Because I believe that would also be a great moment for him.

[@Almighty_WarriorZ]

Here’s my take on it: I think TUI (True Ultra Instinct) is the ideal Ultra Instinct for Saiyans (specifically Goku) Gokus more comfortable and can fight efficiently with it. But it isn’t necessarily stronger than The Angels version of Ultra Instinct, since Angels are way more superior in terms of everything compared to saiyans. The Angels UI is stronger and more functional for any users. Ofc it didn’t work for Goku cause he doesn’t have the same training experience as the angels do with it, and the form is literally from the angels. But yeah that’s my take.

[@baldpolnareff7224]

I think MUI is stronger but Goku can't effectively use it at all times, so its effectiveness gets nerfed during these emotional battles

[@justasinglesummon3912]

@@baldpolnareff7224 personally I think this form is way stronger. It shows it off by goku's first punch annihilating the horn of gas's face. While mui wasn't able to do anything. Also for me the Manga seems to push towards something new. Every character is reaching a unique understanding of themselves which in turn gives them a unique form. So I don't think vegeta or broly will ever get the same ultra instinct as goku has right now cause it wouldn't fit them.

[@baldpolnareff7224]

@@justasinglesummon3912 My reasoning is that Goku's MUI is nerfed because he's not using it properly, being blinded by emotions. That's why this form appears to be stronger, Goku is taking advantage of its emotions and survival instincts into it. While in MUI you should completely empty your mind to utilize it effectively. If you think about it, Goku can tap into it at will, which is a bit of a contradiction with the fact that the body should act on its own. I mean, tbh I don't like either explanation, everything has been messed up with ultra instinct, it started as a state of being, now it has become a set of transformations without clear distinctions....

[@justasinglesummon3912]

@@baldpolnareff7224 not really, all of them are states of mind instead of transformations. Although because it comes with a different look aswell you could say it's a hybrid between a state of mind an transformation.

[@baldpolnareff7224]

@@justasinglesummon3912 It's not about the looks, but the writing. It's being treated as a transformation or a state of being whenever it's convenient, it's a mess

[@SonGoku0-r]

Because he learned from Bardock about winning to survive his survival instincts while using Ui is automatically making his body as strong as it needs to to survive and be aggressive and it suits him the best because emotions is a key factor for Goku's power.

[@blaketindle4703]

“Survival Ultra Instinct” would make sense, foreshadowed by what Bardock said in the flashback.

[@reallyhimongod]

It’s just called Saiyan Instinct brah..

[@Rdc_Dom]

I feel like they are slowly building up Goku's ultimate form being his base form. This was something that basically everyone talked about when Battle of Gods came out. The idea that so long as Goku still has to rely on transformations his power will be inefficient. Only once he perfects all of his power in his base form will he truly reach the pinnacle of efficiency, skill, and power. Once Goku finally perfects all of his power in his base form that's when I think he'll get his end of z blue gi.

[@RSpracticalshooting]

I would personally enjoy this semi-retcon. Make his Blue Gi actually symbolize something other than it being his last outfit in Z.

[@anthonytrevino3191]

I like

[@Rdc_Dom]

@@anthonytrevino3191 thank you

[@omnijonn277]

That's why he didn't transformed at the EoZ because he has finally Perfected Ultra Instinct in Base Form.

[@Rdc_Dom]

@@RSpracticalshooting There is a chance that it's actually not that much of a "ret con" tbf. In Japanese culture the color blue symbolizes things like purity and stability. It's likely that Toriyama made Goku's gi blue on purpose to show that he is not longer a learner, he is "pure". He's reached his peak and must pass one what he has learned. Again that's never been stated but it makes sense based on the fact that the manga ends with Goku leaving to train Uub.

[@hyperartfan7952]

I thought of it more of kind of doing the opposite to achieve a similar goal, whis and the angels seal there emotions away so there body is free to move efficiently, goku is hyper focusing on his emotions so his body can move emotionally, it's less efficient, but allows goku to draw power from his emotions and is stronger, his movements are not precise like silver, there blunt, he's still dodging and attacking without thinking but he's doing so in an emotional blunt way, more fitting to goku, it's kind of like the difference between a katana and a battle ax, both cut through the opponents, but the katana is precise and cleanly slices the opponents, while the battle ax is blunt and tears through the opponents, both have there merits and accomplish similar goals but with vastly different approaches, idk that's my idea.

[@sincere0727]

I wouldn’t really say it’s emotional what he’s doing is triggering Jarring Shocks to his emotions like A brutal attack, a near death experience, witnessing something shocking, etc.And that triggers survival instincts which can make you trigger anger like Jordan said since it’s a survival instinct but I’m not sure about calling it emotional but that’s just my opinion tho it is very a aggressive way of fighting.

[@hyperartfan7952]

@@sincere0727 it is, idk, could be any reason, just know he's using some emotion to trigger his body to move on its own, but he's blatantly not precise like silver haired lmao.

[@sincere0727]

@@hyperartfan7952 What’s triggering his body is his Survival Instincts it automatically responds with a stronger attack when he gets hit

[@hyperartfan7952]

@@sincere0727 like I said man, could be, I'm sure we will figure it out soon, until then we can only speculate.

[@sincere0727]

@@hyperartfan7952 Oh that’s fine if you want to wait but to me I see what’s happening and it’s been explained pretty well but I see why’d you want to wait for an interview or more statements

[@starblaststudios]

I didn't even catch on to the fact that gas was unknowingly talking about Goku and Vegeta's weaknesses in that chapter. Huge brain bomb!

[@melvondrewhite2674]

Goku Took Care Of Gas , Nobody Cares About What He Said ..

[@johnnydang4397]

ToP in anime, Omen was strictly stated as a defensive state. And when he “completed” it as in the silver hair form, he was able to easily go in the offensive. Not confused about it I just think everyone had to have their own interpretation about it.

[@jfitnesshealth]

This is the Manga and many things have been changed since then.

[@johnnydang4397]

@@jfitnesshealth did you even watch the video. They talk about the manga and the anime

[@johnnydang4397]

@Batman The around 8:00

[@johnnydang4397]

@@jasonone8726 I agree. But the anime is gonna have to adapt this part of the manga eventually so it’s gonna be a problem when that comes

[@reallyhimongod]

It’s not called Omen it’s called Sign Omen was a fan made name..

[@isnipeppl8207]

Well the Perfected Ultra Instinct is still significantly stronger than the "Let me completely disregard the narrative behind the way this technique works" Ultra Instinct so we'll have to see.

[@ultimamage3]

Yeah, you're right. Perfected Ultra Instinct is supposed to be stronger than the "Suddenly everything Whis and Merus said about this technique and how it works is completely wrong because Goku's incompetent" Ultra Instinct. I don't understand why we have this detour for a halfway form being called "True" just because Goku refuses to reach enlightenment.

[@julians7268]

Broly kept popping into my mind during this discussion. How he kept getting stronger as he was getting hit with stronger attacks.

[@dark-xh7fs]

I think hes just really angry. Hes basicly hulk.

[@melvondrewhite2674]

Still Below Beerus & Mui Goku Regardless ..

[@reallyhimongod]

Nah eventually Gogeta Blue was hittin too hard and Broly was starting to get fatigued..

[@julians7268]

@@reallyhimongod Yea, but you gotta give him some credit. He started out getting stomped on by Vegeta in base and ended the fight trading blows with Gogeta Blue. I agree tho, Gogeta was just playing with his food and was getting ready to wrap things up.

[@colekesten9596]

I honestly think that since goku learned to tap into the form in the Moro arc the writers are now unable to genuinely decide what to do with the form. If they just waited a few arcs then it would have been better especially if both goku and vegeta learned ultra instinct and ultra ego in one arc near the end of the time skip before the end of z so that the "mastered" ultra instinct is exactly that, a form with no real stamina issues and begin able to use it to its fullest potential. All of these variations are counterintuitive with the general idea of ultra instinct being a state of being where you have to have an empty mind and calm spirit to be able to fight and evade with near perfect movements

[@averyhepburn8092]

Honestly they should've had Goku not fully understand how he reached MUI and just had him use Omen for Moro and Granola only and then he realizes that everyone reaches their ultra instinct differently.

[@tychostation2423]

The technique and abilities within the DB universe are expanding. MUI won’t always seem OP and won’t need a nerf to do it

[@qtindavis433]

@@tychostation2423 but they just keep nerfing now. Which is dumb.

[@injuringtk3346]

@@qtindavis433 they haven’t nerfed UI

[@kaptainkibiroproductions45]

​@@injuringtk3346 how haven't they nerfed it?

[@ThatOneBjjGuy]

It’s funny that you guys kind of touched on the subject but I have been practicing jujitsu for eight years and for the first time ever I had to use it in a fight a couple weeks ago I got attacked by an employee at this hotel and my adrenaline didn’t even kick in till afterwards when I realized I had just been in a fight I was calm was able to handle the situation and when I went back to my room my wife and I were talking and she goes if I didn’t see all the blood on your hands I wouldn’t of known that you were in a fight you’re so calm and you know after years of muscle memory and training every day sometimes twice a day for all these years it felt like another down the mats is what it felt like…. I wasn’t angry I was just more confused of why the guy had to elevate it to that extent to attack me I was pretty humble about it I didn’t even call the police I warned the guy over and over not to do this… Absolutely crazy

[@blade4048]

I think ToP version of UI is highly incompatible with saiyan race. They use rage and anger to become stronger but in UI it requires him to lose him his emotions. So i think thats why goku was much powerful in his new version which allows him to utilise his rage to intensify his strength, stamina, speed and durability

[@RSpracticalshooting]

Hearing a southerner explaining eastern philosophy made my day.

[@jordanjones7686]

My Theory: True Ultra Instinct is the upgraded form Ultra Instinct Omen with the Offensive and Defensive sides activated with Goku’s emotions flowing through him. Plus Goku already unlocked this form of Ultra Instinct with Merus and faced Moro with it before he used MUI. This form is basically what we have already seen but it only uses about 25 or 50% of Ultra Instinct’s true power. The anime makes it easier to explain as that during the fight with Kefla and during his second fight in Omen, Goku’s attacks did no real damage. Now Goku is able to do damage to his opponents but he isn’t as powerful as Silver Haired Ultra Instinct. He would now be able to use his survival instincts, and his regular power in a more effective way than most of it being 75% Defensive and 25% Offensive.

[@seymourbutts5941]

That’s not how it works…. There is no defensive or offensive variants…. It was simply Goku not quite knowing how to offensively use the ability. Since the ToP that’s not an issue

[@ivanriverajr5012]

Omen was stated as defensive bruh. Mui was him understanding both and unleashed it's full potential while still not full powered cause he still needed some polishing.

[@seymourbutts5941]

@@ivanriverajr5012 un huh…. Just like Goku is the legendary super saiyan

[@N21464]

@@seymourbutts5941 that analogy makes no sense

[@simplygaming761]

@@N21464 exactly

[@etherionoon]

Mastering your instincts isn’t easy, the fact he’s going up and down with this struggle actually makes sense because mastering your emotions don’t just happen outta the blue. The same amount of effort he put into fighting is the same amount of effort that needs to be put into emotional management. He’s trying to turn himself into something against his natural instinct. That takes a lot of trial and error

[@shshshs2]

I think they just realize that the omen UI look cooler,more popular and more profitable than the master UI

[@joannaalmazan4508]

honestly I'm happy with this video geekdome and Jordan are number 1 at least in my eyes when it comes ta db content I also love how Goku found his resolve in the form of his black haird UI sign in order ta use his rage alot more + survivel instincts better suited for it anyway even Vegeta might implament this into his ultra ego it's soo crazy they both bounce of each other with great ideas when they fight other people and learn from it plus can't wait for what Tori and toyo have planed for uub and broly next haha

[@nottoobadbutokay]

Is it his best ultra instinct....if he still goes into mastered ui to finish the job? They simply just have no idea what they're doing.

[@seymourbutts5941]

SSJ3 was the best… But less efficient than 2. Kinda similar here.

[@FazeTsu]

A franchise that has been around for 30 years.. yeah they don’t what they’re doing

[@mohamedred5746]

True lmao

[@mohamedred5746]

@@FazeTsu Well thanks to old days of DBZ and not dbs

[@just_a_rebel8261]

Its like ssj3 and ssj2 3 was stronger but 2 was more efficient

[@omnijonn277]

I like the Ancient lore and buddhism behind Goku's Form. I also feel like they are leading Goku's character to enlightment much like DBGT ending.

[@johnsmith5922]

I think the way to interpret UI in Goku's case is that this is the midway point between Omen and Mastered. It allows him to retain his sense of self while fighting and not burn through his stamina as hard as his body pushes itself beyond his normal means. In a way mastered form is like a perpetual Kaioken. In the strain it places on the body to push beyond what his mind can perceive as he fights. UI is not meant to really be used by anyone but the Angels. Mortals can grasp the methodology behind it as Roshi did. And those with God Ki can tap into a more realized state. What Bardock did is still a mystery and it could very well be Monaito asked the dragon to see Bardock survive this fight and it was granted as an extra of sorts. The whims of the dragons are very sporadic within how they can grant wishes. The will of the person seems to impact usually given Bardock could refuse to be wished away. It does bring about the will of Gas though given the wish Elec made.would surely kill him. Gas allowed this within belief of his brother though. All that aside in my ramble there. It is just a balance of the two forms that puts the least amount of strain on Goku while maximizing his ability to fight like himself.

[@ssjgotenks2009]

roshi never did ui they sia it liek ui but not the some and i dotn giev what pow eup rosi get eve holding back wood not lwoe jrien speed roshi enver shoudl ben able to dogue jrien

[@johnsmith5922]

@@ssjgotenks2009 right. Whatever you just said.

[@jordanjones7686]

If Toyotaro wants Goku to be able to use UI in his base form, how about he allows Goku to use only 25-50% of UI in his base form, and 75% in his Super Saiyan form and 100% in MUI. This would make Goku’s Super Saiyan form more important again and it would also limit the amount of transformations Goku does which will reserve more of his power.

[@brettz5288]

I don't get it. This is exactly what he did against Moro prior to Merus fighting Moro and Merus was saying it was a problem because that's not how he should be using it, and Moro clapped him because of it and Goku using UI incorrectly. But now it's okay? Bro I hate Toyotaro lmao. And have little to no trust in modern Toriyama to remember what they wrote literally from the previous arc.

[@THATNERDCREATIONS]

Thank you for all the work you put into your channel!

[@SquadGasm]

Everyone seems to have forgotten tht ultra instinct is a technique being used as a transformation.

[@powerboy247]

You hit the nail on the head. I will say that the writing is definitely a little lackluster but heading in the right direction. The end goal of ultra instinct for Goku would be to use it as a technique and not a transformation which would also end his stamina drain woes. So in a way he's able to do in Omen(TUI if you will) what he could in the silver haired form(SUI to avoid confusion). The end goal being ui used as purely a technique. But wouldn't that also mean he's using it 24*7 like the angels? Is that even possible?

[@SquadGasm]

@Batman The no, ultra instinct is a technique BEING USED as a transformation. When goku first went into UI whis stated that its a TECHNIQUE tht not even the gods could achieve/master. Goku is a mortal, his understandings of UI arent of that of the angels therefore he uses the PROPERTIES of UI as a transformation.

[@SquadGasm]

@@powerboy247 If goku masters UI he should be in it 24/7 in his base form like whis. But I dont think the writers are gonna go that way bc then they'd literally have to state that goku is stronger than beerus nd they cant do tht seeing as it was stated that noone will surpass beerus or whis. But that may or may not change

[@SquadGasm]

@Batman The u must be 13

[@bluegrave4376]

My take is that he's not used to having a clear mind throughout all of his fights so the superior silver haired UI ends up not working. With the omen version, he'll be using a weaker UI state but can fight with his natural instincts. I agree with many people here that say that he'll eventually be able to stack ssj forms onto omen to make up for the power difference

[@baldpolnareff7224]

That's how I see it, he's not able to keep his mind clear, so MUI is not being used effectively

[@jasond1497]

Now let’s see when Goku gets Final Ultra Instinct.

[@mohamedred5746]

People trying to explain plot holes and inconsistent Writing... UI become another ssj Form sadly...

[@patembersouls]

Ultra Instinct seems to be related to descriptions of Classical Enlightenment and it’s that sort of journey that Goku is going through.

[@RacerBeastCSR2]

Goku using omen UI has loft of benefits 1) he can still benefit from the speed boost that UI gives and dodge attacks based on instinct alone when he is on the defensive 2) He can also simultaneously tap into saiyan emotions when he is on the offensive So basically this gives goku the flexibility of choosing when to use UI technique ( not form ) And when to switch to rage based fighting style .. and he can do this switching in an instant And this is not even the big picture...getting rid of silver form is necessary if goku wants to make UI as his base state of mind and Body , which is must easier to do with omen Then from there he can use UI technique on top of any forms he is familiar with so far..plus this gives him the flexibility to explore even further god forms ... the silver transformation was limiting all of this To be honest, I don't even think goku and vegeta have even mastered super saiyan god forms...how can a literal god..be beat so easily by mortal not using god form is laughable

[@Captain-America92]

I never understood why UI required a transformation, I thought it should've just been a technique or state of mind.

[@Emporkommling]

Because action figures

[@RSpracticalshooting]

@@Emporkommling honestly, you're not wrong.

[@Zeno1781]

It is a technique just a transformation for saiyans

[@IiImonix3]

The transformation is what gives him the ability to use the technique.

[@karnage2948]

It shouldn’t be but they want to make Goku look cooler than just regular Goku and they wanna sell merchandise. Not literally but kinda like kaioken I’m pretty sure it’s a technique but we see him transform with a red aura however I think toriyama said he was using it that whole time against Frieza even tho we couldn’t see cause all the colours are for us

[@Mark-zo1hs]

Can't wait for Goku to get another form of Ultra Instinct in the future, only to be revealed that it is still somehow weaker compared to Beerus or Whis.

[@ggamesgarner8027]

I mean it makes sense until they write goku vs beerus rematch beerus should always be ahead of goku.

[@Rdc_Dom]

Bruh facts 😂, then, 10 chapters later another form on top of that gets revealed

[@yeetdiscreet1278]

Exactly my mindset. Goku will be Super Saiyan Blurple 45 Kaioken Ultra Instinct Black Air Force Majoogily and people will still say “Beerus is stronger.“🙄

[@uhmump95]

Why do you feel this is wrong?

[@yeetdiscreet1278]

@@ggamesgarner8027 The issue I have is not just that people seem to hate the idea of Goku being stronger between the two… It’s that people seem to have it in their minds exactly how much stronger Beerus is than Goku. You’ll have people saying “Beerus only used 7% of his power during his first fight with Goku“ or shit like “Beerus is far far far far stronger than Goku and he was only toying with him“… It’s the inconsistency that’s annoying, the cognitive dissonance.

[@152mmapfsds]

Ah yes goku learned how to win by listening to a scouter recording. How did I ever miss that

[@sadriposting]

I barely follow the manga but i think aesthetically they are gonna use more this new version of UI because it's more similar to the first version, the signature one and that was the more generally accepted in terms of look version

[@songoku9348]

Please let this be his absolute final form. Please no more transformations. This now makes UI Goku in FighterZ the incomplete version.

[@javierrosa7578]

I think true ultra instinct is just him being true to him self not trying to be something he’s not

[@Cay9z]

This form is pretty much useless, It contradicts the whole point of Ultra Instinct, Its like saying Super Saiyan is unlocked by tapping into a calm state, when we all know it was a form achieved through emotion, Even in the ToP when Goku raged againts Jiren I dont know why Goku didnt fall out of Mastered Ultra Instinct

[@kipppietrantonio8121]

This guest is your best one. He actually has thought your things and can communicate effectively.

[@brianrosado2333]

The issue is they don’t know what to do with the transformations anymore

[@p.p3152]

The cool thing about ultra instinct was that it made Goku this stoic powerful divine being, it was special compared to his other forms due to how different he is when using it, True Ultra Instinct essentially makes it the same as all the other forms as now he can be a true saiyan whilst using the power of the angels, not sure how I feel about it

[@MariCappo762]

9:48 it’s like every time he attacks or counters he constantly uses killer intent

[@AndreB23]

Assuming TUI actually is UIO in base-form, I'm wondering if we're going to get a new SSj transformation in a future arc, or even a new line-up of SSj forms. Sort of like a form similar to the OG SSj-form, but with silver eyes and a purple-white inner-aura. It would make sense, since Goku can now make use of his emotions and Saiyan-instincts while in UI, which is needed to go into SSj.

[@mariox901]

UIS*

[@steezyonyoutube9896]

Ultimately yes…I think he will be able to use super saiyan on top

[@NightmareZzK]

His TUI is actually UIO not really base

[@willchalloner6643]

Man they fumbled UI so hard UI sign was amazing, great look, interesting effect on Goku’s personality MUI kinda fumbled a bit with a worse design but combat in the form was handled superbly Now they’ve reverted the aesthetic but seemingly returned Goku to his usual self in the form which took away the most interesting part of it

[@JACQUEZJOHNSON23]

Mui Goku Goku better than ui omen

[@j0doe1]

I agree. Ultra Instinct's concept and style all had such a godly and mystic air to it. It's such a shame seeing it being reduced to another beefy power up.

[@melvondrewhite2674]

Mui Goku Is Amazing Looking In Design , Yo Ass Crazy 😂

[@MuembiEditz]

‘’True UI’’ True True UI’’ True True True UI’’ ‘’Word UI’’👍🏾

[@mohamedred5746]

"TRUST ME BRO INSTINCT"

[@MuembiEditz]

@@mohamedred5746 ‘’ON MY MAMA UI’’

[@GreyplayComics]

If or when this is animated I hope they keep that secondary great ape roar from t.o.p. in goku's instinct forms

[@christopherbianco9298]

I just think MUI was more or less a forced technique because he didn't seem himself in it. It's almost like he used MUI to almost Gauge a balance between offense and defense and create his own form of it that is easier to build upon. I also believe this gives him that sense of Godliness mixed with his regular personality

[@he--ru362]

Very GREAT video,with the guest knowledge about Eastern mythology 👌

[@digunder14]

seems much like with in the tournement of power and more so in other media, the silver hair form is gunna be the trumpcard/fail safe last resort that kicks in when he is in a fight and otherwise knocked out cold, like we saw near the end of the latest chapter when just before he manifested that ki construct

[@tannerg4511]

So this new omen form is a less speed/efficient ui but uses survival instinct to hit harder?

[@vladline1882]

It would be awesome if Goku could use UI like base just like Whis as always in UI. Train it like SSJ in Cell saga without turning down to base form

[@merchantziro4285]

I honestly hope we get to see Vegeta learn from this and attempt to follow Goku's example for Ultra Ego mastering a hypothetical Ultra Ego Omen if you will. One that does have similar benefits albeit not as strong as the true Ultra Ego, but doesn't force Vegeta to be in a complete Destroyer mindset and lose himself completely in the battle craze. Creating his own True Ultra Ego where he can tap into God of Destruction energy and gets even stronger every time he's hit. Plus as fanfictiony as this idea sounds on paper, I'd like to see Gogeta or Vegito take a page out of Ryu's book like he did in the UDON comics by combining his dark Satsui no Hado with the Power of Nothingness, creating a balance of light and darkness that was dubbed as Shin Ryu. So it would be cool if the hypothetical True Ultra Ego and True Ultra Instinct were used in tandem with each other since while the GODS like Beerus have proven they can't use Ultra Instinct proper as you've mentioned in your Ultra Ego video due to having to be in a destroyer mindset. Meaning I don't think the Perfected versions of either forms would be compatible due to their wildly different natures. However if we're talking about the Omen or True versions of Ultra Instinct and, hypothetically speaking, Ultra Ego, then considering True Ultra Instinct allows Goku to not have to fully keep his emotions in check and a True Ultra Ego would allow Vegeta to not have to keep a thinking and acting like a God of Destruction, the forms would likely be more compatible with each other and balance out each other's flaws. For example while UI Omen is purely defensive with incredible agility and such, it lacks offensive abilities that the Mastered version possessed but with UE Omen and it's destroyer power and even when they do take hits they can't dodge, they get stronger thanks to the power of Ultra Ego. They can even use the Hakai and such for defense such as destroying or negating any powerful ki blasts and such. In short, I just really hope True Ultra Instinct is a sign of the direction the Manga will be taking Vegeta in the future even if he's following his own path separate from Goku it's clear that Bardock is the example that both Goku *and* Vegeta need to learn from if Vegeta wants to overcome the flaws of his recent form. Also because a fusion using both True forms is the only way I can reasonably see it working if not even the GODS can use it properly.

[@superelite5133]

I like the concept of this but boy are they really making this confusing like watch this not even be the final version we see…

[@RSpracticalshooting]

I mean imho it's similar to the different grades of Super Saiyan. Imagine how hard it was to understand when they were first showing that shit. I think in hindsight it'll all make more sense but since we're discussing all of this without the context of the manga being finished, it makes things more convoluted than they really are.

[@MajinTar]

@@RSpracticalshooting no because Super Saiyan took years from 1 to 2 UI is basically every month a new version

[@KirkKreifels]

50 likes, 15 views...that's ultra instinct

[@RobinDTony]

😂😂😂

[@TaHiROoo]

Great analysis loved the video

[@CrepeyCruller]

We have Ultra Ego: Provides the greatest Damage received to potential power output exchange rate but must be consciously output by the user, Ultra Instinct: No Damage to Power exchange but automatically does what is necessary to prevent or mitigate damage received, and the new Ultra Instinct Omen: mostly effective at automatically preventing or mitigating damage AND mostly effective at exchanging damage for automatic power output. So UE has the highest possible damage to power rate but it has to be consciously used, followed by UIO but it happens automatically, then by UI with no power boost; and UI has the most efficient form of damage mitigation, followed by UIO, and that by UE. It's a spectrum and Omen falls in the middle. Also when I say UI has no power boost I mean that the form itself doesn't really provide one. Goku has to momentarily focus up and put conscious effort into how much power he uses and when to attack. Because those moments can be difficult to come by, he puts as much power behind each attack that he can. He is riding the autonomous movement wave and consciously busting out sick tricks when the moment presents itself. With UIO he doesn't have to worry about timing or power output of attacks. His body just does it. I think UIO is the ideal state of being for most fights; but there are situations where UI and UE could be more beneficial. UE can tank and has insane DPS, UI can keep you alive to continue the fight, and UIO is just what you use in every other situation. The Super Squad needs a more dedicated healer; especially if Vegeta is gonna Vegeta. What good is all that power if he's dead? Maybe we'll see some healing come out of Orange Piccolo. He seems to be ideal for support. That could be fun.

[@marceldemeter9802]

+1, great theory, well explained, would love it, (I guess its not only me who feels sometimes they could write the story more logical/better 😂)

[@TheTwizted]

Ui has a power boost though?

[@Extraspectacular92]

True UI sounds exactly like what happened to the original concept for SSB. Can’t even take any of it serious anymore

[@daviskk54]

Do you think they did this to ensure there was differentiation between Goku and Gohan with his new power?

[@donavanboykin9489]

I think so

[@heftyjongle2958]

I hope they do a similar path with Vegeta where he learns to access full power ultra ego, and as he continues using ue, he finds a different method that is similar but cuts against the mindset he needs to utilize in that form like how goku is using ui without the calm heart

[@DouglasDundee]

UI Omen can be to True UI as a technique what SSG is to SSB as a transformation. Omen and SSB let that saiyan side skyrocket, while True UI and SSG let Goku's martial/psychological talent show

[@webhead9368]

Great vid. And i feel like when goku perfects this TUI he will literally just look like base form. No silver eyes or aura. No stamina drain.

[@HeavenlyZanpakuto]

Can you do a video covering ki colors and the different effects and textures ki blasts have?

[@donavanboykin9489]

It's painful trying to listen to people explain Ultra Instinct and it's variations. You guys made a good effort here but, the truth is, the way these things were written, there's no way to make sense of it. Everything contradicts itself. Does this mean that this new UI doesn't drain Goku's stamina as the original Omen did?

[@domicadom8865]

I love when people trying to explain manga which manga itself don't no how to explain it🤣🤣

[@psilly_ty]

I’ve been thinking about what Whis said this the whole time too!!! I’m glad somebody agrees

[@spiralkingxiii9496]

After this last chapter i went back to reread the granolah arc and in ch71 we actually see goku testing out ui in base as hes training with whis

[@gngrblls2thwall]

More truester ultra instinct 2.46 is still to come

[@matthewolson2386]

Its like that comparison when a human is in fight or flight mode, or survival as one would call it. Super human abilities like strength when a mother lifts a car off her baby and other feats like that. Offense and Defense for Goku stronger then he has ever been.

[@justinlewis3691]

I think not only is there phases of mastered MUI but also MI-Omen. Goku is going through different mindsets and experimentation with UI. He was using UI in different God Forms. I'm not sure but I think this is the 1st time he fought Gas in the black hair form

[@NotAGrabbaghoul]

Question for any and everybody, do we think Vegeta will get some sort of equivalent or skip write to Mastered Ultra Ego/Ultra Ego in Base, similar to how he skipped the whole SSJ 3 process to create a Better SSJ2

[@dark-xh7fs]

For now he should learn yardrat healing i think. Then he can work with ue.

[@zelispeak]

We got True Ultra Instinct now?💀😂

[@discordianos]

I think it's like whis said With ui sign Goku could only dodge and then attack was much less effective With true ui is different: he can attack but no dodge effectively So if Goku masters tui like he did with ui, he will be able to dodge and attack being also efficient to him

[@crimsonflame4496]

I have a feeling that Goku is gonna to try too do the same for the silver form and Goku could get more stronger but it would be really hard for him to achieve that

[@brandenwilliams3496]

I need the soundtrack to all your intros and outros bro

[@ananthnarayan7011]

One reason why i think that they have pulled back on actual ultra instinct is because Goku had become invincible with that form or rather unbeatable, so they scaled the power down to make him relevant to the story again...its like when your salary account gets credited in double digit and they decide to pull back the excess...😁

[@majingaming2639]

Now i've been wondering this since TUI is goku UI powers in base would be possible for Goku to transform into his saiyan forms while in TUI like he does with Kaioken and super saiyan ?

[@ZalamaTheDragonGod]

Merus, the other angels, and the grand priest all use MUI because it fits them perfectly. But they all use it to different degrees. If whis is right about Goku not being able to perfectly imitate the angles and him really being at a lower level than every other MUI user: UI omen (now True UI) maybe his most efficient version because he's a Saiyan and a mortal. But if he's weaker than every UI user in MUI, that means the angels trained past it and sees MUI as the basic level. For Goku, this would be UI omen. His path to strength may now be higher trained levels of this imperfect form. I say he can't train his MUI to higher levels only because whis says Goku can't progress in the Divine state of MUI. I could be wrong, but it's obvious that his Omen is better in his within his grasp.

[@GraceofGod247]

Watching this on my Birthday 🎂🥳

[@justasinglesummon3912]

I really like the writing they used to make goku reach a new level. It's so funny though that it's not even that difficult to understand but half of the community doesn't understand it and just calls it bullshit

[@T-Moneyg]

yea

[@ashworth770]

Because it is stupid. It’s just to sell toys man.

[@RSpracticalshooting]

i feel like a lot of the confusion comes from the fact that there's a lot of people out there putting out false info, as well as the fact that for the majority of fans, this is the first time we've had these type of things happening in real time. i'm sure there was plenty of confusion about the different grades of Super Saiyan when it was coming out in the early 90s.

[@murphydaquan]

What writing?

[@ashworth770]

@@murphydaquan exactly. At least Gohans new form had a backstory to it. Still would like more info about the Color and kind of power up but I can wait I guess

[@raj1one414]

After seeing bleach's thousand year blood war, where they introduced "true shikai", I have something to look forward to on Goku's True Ultra Instinct. If we see this animated there still needs to be a distinction in his new form because there was the Super Saiyan Blue evolved form that was hard to distinguish in the manga when he was fighting Zamasu/Goku Black and in the anime we got SSJBlue Kaioken instead.

[@MajinTar]

I wonder if they changed it because of the white hair that Gohan has now and they wanted the color strictly for Gohan

[@venomousteam1732]

Once goku trains in true ui, i hope that the energy consumption is reduced, so that he can use it more often without running out of energy so quickly

[@spiderbhyd3]

They somehow managed to take a simple concept and shit on it, why am I not surprised

[@matrix8847]

😂😂🤣🤣

[@wompastompa3692]

ToP: He's done it, he's mastered UI. Moro: He trained with an angel and finally mastered UI. Granolah: After training with a TRUE angel, he's mastered UI. Gas: He finally did it, he's finally mastered UI. For you see, Frieza, he's finally realized the legend... I hate this.

[@rebornlegend878]

Terrible writing lol

[@SolidSnake240]

We're probably gonna get another SS form at this rate lol

[@AndreB23]

ToP: He accidently tapped into the form and could momentarily use of it for a very brief period of time, but his physical body wasn't strong enough to hold onto it for long. Moro: He learned how to tap in to the power at will and could use its full power, but the power of MUI was still heavily stressful for his body, and he could only use it for a few minutes. Granolah: He completely got the hang of MUI and became far more skilled with it, but still had some trouble maintaining it for long and lost a bit of efficiency after a certain period of time. He could also only use it when he was completely calm and tranquil, which he often has trouble of doing. Also, he learned how to use UI in his lower forms. Gas: He learned how to create his own version of UI, which further lessened the strain and allowed him to tap into his rage and Saiyan-instincts, thereby allowing him to further power himself up and enhance his strength and durability to a higher level than before. He effectively took the full power of UI and combined it with his base-state.

[@ozero00rockon]

@@rebornlegend878 It's like two steps forward, and one huge step back to the start.

[@ozero00rockon]

@@AndreB23 That makes sense.

[@ntsindisomajezi7596]

Yo I really enjoyed that🔥🔥🙌🙌!!!

[@Earendil760]

Loving that 240p thumbnail mate 👌

[@abenezerabebe302]

I be feeling like they made Goku’s true ultra instinct back to black hair just to simply not have any similarities to Gohan’s beast form since it does kinda look similar to MUI💀💀

[@ZenRyoku]

Ultra Rival Instinct... there's THE name now... 💯

[@danielbakarr7657]

uno what that makes sense omg what a theory I haven't really heard this guy too much on geekdoms channel but that theory a destroyer for good I see it now honestly this is the first time in that a theory hasn't even analysed or thought about yesss and I ain't even finished the whole video but I am taken bk I had to pause because I literally just was like wait ohhhhhhh yessssssss loool big up you guys @geekdom101

[@lilmac2442]

What about in the Morro arc when he was perfecting Silver UI and realized he has to fight for other people and not just for the sake of fighting? They're just all over the place with the writing. It's really stupid

[@dtfar4]

I be waiting for your vids bro

[@Ryo_El_Destructor_De_Culoe]

Honestly I think TUI is just the next step to MUI from UI. In MUI we see Goku have emotions (when he raged out against Jiren) while in normal UI he has no emotions, hell he doesn't even speak that much and has trouble attacking with UI. But now with TUI we see that he's able to incorporate his emotions so it just feels like a progression or the next step to MUI

[@notsomoody5338]

Great analysis

[@SpartanH2O]

They need to start to stack his forms. I’m telling you

[@bryanperez4061]

Funny how truth explained this better than what was said in the manga. Basically the white haired ultra instinct but black hair. Notice how there isn’t any lightning or detail as this is what separates it from omen

[@suomynona4420]

He's going to absorb UI into his base like Sayain Beyond God that way they can still tie in the end of Z and possibly a future GT.

[@jasonsmith9094]

Every time Goku does UI its the "TRUE MASTERED FORM". Getting old.

[@rebornlegend878]

Starting to feel like Whis jus be talking out the side of his neck lol

[@chanceneck8072]

KZbin has some weird glitch currently, where some people sound like robots, when you speed up the video to 1.25× or 1.5× speed, etc and I have no idea, why that is...... Danny sounds mostly normal.....

[@wizkidtheegenius5455]

I believe if gohan learned ultra instinct, he would be able to defeat radditz

[@elHus0]

why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?

[@SolidSnake240]

Big if true 😱

[@custommediacreations]

That’s a tough statement to get an exact answer. But I’m sure you’re right.