Truebrake Brake Mod Tested With Logitech G29 - For £60, It Gets Seriously Close To A Load Cell Pedal

[@markhallowell4059]

Had my Truebrake for a few months now. My braking consistency has had a massive improvement. Would recommend for anyone with a Logitech setup. A great value mod.

[@dannyleeracing]

Thanks for dropping in and leaving your experience, helpful for those that might flick through the comments. Good to hear it made a big difference for you!

[@sanderheijselaar5687]

I've used this mod last year and it's improved my braking a lot. It took some time to adjust my muscle memory. Now the feeling and confidence in braking is so much bigger.

[@secorIT]

Copy and paste what Sander stated above. I wish I could give new life to my g25 steering wheel in a similar way... 😅

[@DMAX_DIY]

@@secorIT I finally upgraded from G25 setup to FV3's. Yeah It took a while to 'unlearn' 10 years but they are great. I just wish they were lighter. I had to rebalance my 3DOF motion rig after installing them (that sucked). DMAX

[@Kilo-sz4ch]

What if, hear me out, I found a way to put these on my thrustmaster pedals 👀

[@Johnnyynf]

That's too what we wanted

[@kinocorner976]

I would tell you, I found one liar 🤣

[@robbos3245]

Got this mod on Wednesday and really struggled at first but had my second session last night and am starting to get competitive times but still feels quite weird making sure I put enough pressure down but in some ways it forces me to brake harder and later. One thing I did with my G29 was to put my old brake predal spring into my accelerator pedal because having virtually zero resistance with my throttle but lots in my brake was hard to adjust to and it made a difference very quickly. I initially put the rubber block in there too but that was a tad too much resistance but still workable.

[@danielturtle6994]

I’ve had this mod for 10 months now since March 2020. It’s been brilliant and my braking has gone from strength to strength giving a consistent feeling of being able to modulate the braking throughout the braking zones using muscle memory. I use Xbox, mostly F1 and this for the moment at least has stopped me paying out huge for a full Fanatec setup. One day I’ll go to PC and upgrade bit by bit but this can’t be beaten bang for buck for around £60 while doing the same job to a load cell without actually being a load cell, clever:) On top of that it is also a quality and well built product. If Logitech had made and sold their G29/920 etc with a similar brake setup to this then I think the whole setup would have been so much more of a better and competitive package and it would’ve gained more respect on the market 👍🏻

[@darrinpennington]

A huge improvement over the stock. Those spacers are actually to adjust the amount of travel the pedal moves to where the brake actually begins engaging

[@Pogman30]

I've been using this for a while now and can vouch for it! I also use the AXC wooden wheel mount for the G29 and Ikea Poang chair. My top tip for anyone using both of these things is this: Put something under the back of your chair so it doesn't bend when you press the brake. I use a foam roller, vertically planted. This means when you press hard on the stiff brake you don't have to take the flex of the chair into account. Makes a difference. Can also say that if you're using the carpet grippers on the G29 pedal board and you weigh more than a pixie you should be fine with anything sliding about.

[@melv45]

Thanks for the review Danny - my Truebrake arrived on Saturday and after a few hours of testing I am startling to get used to it. Very different to the standard G29 brake feel. I started off with the biggest spacer so virtually zero free travel before activation. I found this too much and settled on the 2nd smallest. This helped the activation point for me as its hard to press (my pedals are angled slightly) If anyone is thinking of this i would recommend it but with a few cautions. You will probably need a strong, fixed rig to allow you to press the pedal down and It will take some getting used to straight after the standard pedals. I have gone faster though already and feel like i am (trail) braking better and actually braking less in places as its easier to modulate, telemetry backs this up but i need to practice. Its very well built and easy to fit so well worth the £

[@phaedrussocrates7636]

Is it too hard to press (for long races) without shoes? I'm not keen at all to sim-racing in shoes😁🙃

[@melv45]

@@phaedrussocrates7636 longest I have done is 30 min races and it’s been ok. But actually I can drive in shoes now and feel in control still. I changed my old brake spring into throttle and I’m finding that harder to keep down than the brake but does help throttle application.

[@phaedrussocrates7636]

@@melv45 @mark elvidge thank you👍 I moved clutch spring to throtle (that is kind of half way to brakes spring) and feels just right. I just do not wear shoes in house at all, I would have to drive in slipers or shoe/unshoe just for sim racing - that is all my family needs to see😂😅

[@84Justino]

That magic words are "trail braking"... What a difference

[@melv45]

Small update. I changed the brake force slider in iracing. From standard G29 pedals it was set to 1.8 and i have been running that since the Truebrake mod. Changed this tonight and it feels better. Easier now to find a 50% brake or less. Danny may have already had this off/reduced if he switched from loadcell pedals as that is the default setting for non-potentiometer pedals. I have also ordered the Leo Bodnar USB cable as apparently there is a large curve at the end of the pedal stroke sent from the wheelbase firmware and this cable removes this and makes the travel more linear.

[@kelmo1989]

See, I told you you’d like it! I’m glad you tried the hardest bung too as weirdly, not many people do. If anything, I could do with it firmer still. Any way, time to save up for a CSL Elite E-Sports LC after your last video. 👍🏻 Cheers for doing this video though, was on my radar after our last conversation.

[@philsamways]

I was really impressed with the Truebrake. I still upgraded to the V3's after 3 months, and it was at that point I realised just how good the Truebrake mod was. The V3's feel obviously more premium, and robust, but in terms of modulating the brake with pressure the Truebrake really closes the gap between these two brake pedals. Definitely recommend it!

[@dannyleeracing]

That's exactly my thoughts having used V3's for a good long while now, Truebrake does legitimately do a good job of giving you a diet version of it. When spending £200+ on an actual load cell pedal set is out of the question, get a Truebrake.

[@brayans2859]

What about the Logitech software? From my understanding the Logitech software makes it so that at around 50% pedal depression it applies 100% brake force. This is their "fix" for the rubber piece within the brake being so hard that it's impossible to depress it more than 50-60%. I removed the rubber piece which made the pedal feel much better, but I haven't found a way around the software to allow 100% depression to equal 100% brake force. The Logitech software simply doesn't allow enough travel in the pedal for accurate braking, the difference between say 20% brake force and 100% feels like a few millimeters. How does the brake mod fix this problem?

[@Soonjai]

Just placed my order for the mid-march batch. This was exactly what I was looking for, a console friendly brake pedal upgrade for my trusty G27 that goes far beyond a different block insert and / or spring.

[@bwest6275]

Thank you for this review Danny. I took the plunge and see my order will take a couple of weeks to get. Looking forward to improved braking feel for GTS.

[@dannyleeracing]

No worries man, thanks for your feedback and comments. Definitely let me know how you find it - I was impressed by it but as you know, braking feel is so highly subjective, hence why they've put 4 different spacers in the box to choose from.

[@PM10Racing]

Great video Danny I can certainly vouch for this tru brake. More confidence on the brakes, trail braking is way more consistent. Takes a bit of time to readjust from the stock pedals (took me a good couple of sessions) but you soon get the feel for it. It’s worth experimenting with the different spacers as I found the 2nd smallest one was better for me. Great product for the money.

[@noliyoshida7486]

I also bought the TrueBrake a couple months ago to be used with the Playseat Challenge. 'lift off' is a real issue because of the force needed for full braking. I fixed it with the combination of counterweight (weight on the 'front legs'), cantilever (a board that goes under the 'back legs' and over the 'front legs' effectively extending the 'back legs')and increasing the 'angle of attack' by lifting the back of the seat and the pedals. The pedal mount broke off soon after so is now just held together with a bit of paracord. lol. Aside from that, good bit of kit. I wouldn't go back to the stock brake after getting used to this. In a way, this is better that the actual LC mod available for the G29 since this plugs straight into the pedal board/base unit and so can be used natively on consoles unlike the Richmotech. My Playseat Challenge looks like a PoS now but wouldn't change it for the world. I now lovingly call it my 'Playseat Challenged'. This mod makes me want to try inverted pedals since my feet naturally want to press the bottom of the brake pedal, don't know why. I use it exclusively for GT Sport, btw.

[@dannyleeracing]

One thing that I noticed was that because I was using a lot more force than the seat's obviously designed for, the central spine would flex and bow in the middle. Easily resolved but more on that at some stage.

[@driffbro3380]

For anyone wondering like me, shipping is worldwide, checked their website.I'll order it and see how much time it takes. Or if it arives at all. Edit: I'm not ordering it's a bit expensive for me right now.

[@anthonywhite7873]

Thank DK👍

[@Sighman]

I ordered one from Australia and it arrived just fine.

[@driffbro3380]

@@Sighman good to know.

[@craigwestley7906]

I have one and it's massively improved my consistency and lap time's. Well worth the money. Just need a solid base as it takes some force to press now. I'd recommend it for sure.

[@dannyleeracing]

Great to hear your thoughts as a longer-time user than me, I only had a brief time with it but comparing it to my V3's told me all there was to know. Braking is easier with a fixed chassis but everything that can be done to limit movement when you press the brake pedal will pay off in consistency.

[@twoobliviousidiots782]

I'm thinking of getting since the brake pedal on my current g923 just keeps sticking and has actually screwed me out of races, thinking this'll be cheaper and easier then getting an entirely new setup

[@ShadowRacing]

nice video as always!

[@dannyleeracing]

Cheers mate, you're my number one hype-man. I'll remember you when I've been sent to the moon or something

[@ShadowRacing]

@@dannyleeracing I remember seeing your first video the day it came out then subbing and realising it was your first, I knew this channel had all the potential to get big!

[@eriol_mits3121]

Thanks for the review. Was looking to get back into sim racing. Have an old G27 wheel and was looking at upgrades. Even second hand for a wheel and pedal set they are expensive. Going to give this a try first. See if this mod does the trick before spending a few £100 on getting a new Thurstmaster or Fanatec setup.

[@dedge12858]

I've had one for a while but finding the amount of pressure required is really too much for me, to the point my foot ends up being sore at the end of a session - and that's when using shoes.

[@fullnuclearbreakfast]

You can get reduced strength springs from the spares section of their website if that helps

[@dedge12858]

@@fullnuclearbreakfast I had no idea so thanks for mentioning it! At the time I ordered mine I don't think there was an option. Now I just have to work out what I already have fitted.

[@fullnuclearbreakfast]

@@dedge12858 You've most likely got the 100% strength spring then, apparently that was the only option before.

[@dedge12858]

@@fullnuclearbreakfast Thanks again. Sounds likely.

[@kizersoze9559]

I received mine last weekend... Took a couple weeks to receive it, but it did arrive sooner than projected..... Tried every spacer... settled for the next to the largest...(small travel, quick engagement) within an hour I was taking 3-4 sec of of my best lap times on every track (GT Sport) and still improving... (This to me is the best , most affordable mod for the logitec line of pedals.) Knowing what I know now. I would have paid more than double the $120 shipped to the US. *BUY IT, YOU WON'T REGRET IT*

[@dannyleeracing]

Thanks for sharing your experiences, opinions from people who have used it extensively are worth way more than my own brief experience with it. Appreciate the input

[@hallando]

I have used it for 1 year. No problems just fantasic value for money :-)

[@dannyleeracing]

Brilliant, just the kind of comment I would wanna see if I was shopping for this. Appreciate you taking the time to throw your thoughts in.

[@giventofly511]

Been using the TrueBrake for a few months now and it’s a massive improvement over the stock setup. I pretty much only play GT Sport, which doesn’t have any in-game calibration options, and it works perfectly.

[@stub4488]

Did you order the 60% spring? Just ordered one.

[@giventofly511]

@@stub4488 Hey, just noticed your question. No, I have the v1 TrueBrake which only came with the 100% main spring. It took a few in-game hours to get used to the feel of it but once I did, it’s absolutely fantastic, but it is very firm.

[@troyhager6039]

lol my g27 is old but i still run the pool noodle in the spring trick its not perfect but was a imporvment over stock

[@sspp3065]

Load cell is the only way to go.It really is the one thing that can improve lap times.Once you go to a load cell you will not be able to go back.Kind of like once you get rid of a controller to a wheel you just are not going to be able to go back to a controller

[@dannyleeracing]

Load cell is the king, but for a specific spend-limited base of racers this device does a great job. If you can, upgrade wholesale, but if you can't then this'll give you your fix

[@Sighman]

I've been using one for maybe 5-6 months. Unbelievable difference to braking and worth every cent/penny.

[@dannyleeracing]

Thanks for your comment man, this kind of long-term experience is exactly what I wish for when people cast opinions from short term tests - nobody can vouch for something better than those who've used it a long time.

[@Reekyracer]

I bought the True Brake mod about 12 months ago and it transformed my braking zones im now more consistent I run with the second shortest throw on the spacers as I found the shortest throw was not enough for me but would highly recommend it to any Logitech pedal set I also use a Leo Bodnar Cable to plug straight into my PC as Logitech has a brake curve in its wheel base that needs to be bypassed

[@dannyleeracing]

Awesome man, this sort of comment is the most useful sort as you've got a 'lived-in' truebrake and loads more running time than me

[@bwest6275]

@Rudy B I don't think you can for the PS4 as games like GTS have baked in brake settings unlike a PC sim game which typically offers customizations.

[@lukeduffy130]

I've just bought one, and currently testing it struggling massively with it I got the green 23kg spring and I put the biggest buffer in... Would any one recommend the middle buffer?

[@shippo_53]

This looks great! I use the clutch as brake on my set up would this work in the clutch pedal?

[@Soonjai]

it should fit since the difference between the 3 pedals in stock setup is mainly the spring Logitech uses to get the pedals to have a different feel. And even if it doesn't fit you can easily swap the position of the pedals, the construction of all 3 is identical and each one fits in each position.

[@shippo_53]

@@Soonjai great thanks for that. I’m still saving for it but good to know 👍

[@jasonlanglois7906]

Ive had the CSL in my cart since I watched your review. I'll probably end up getting this as a stopgap, but it means I'll have to uninstall your epic eraser mod ;)

[@dannyleeracing]

When you do remove it let us know if you still have a block of eraser or if it was basically mashed into crumbled feta cheese! Everyones results seem to vary...

[@D._no-u3x]

​@@dannyleeracing crumbled feta for me. Truebrake 👍

[@Dutch3DMaster]

Weird question that doesn't really has to do with the Truebrake mod...how long did it take you to adapt to VR Glasses? I have a second hand set for about 5 months now and I can not get used to it and suffer full blown motion sickness in simulators that are not as fast paced as racing games after 5-10 minutes up to the point I need to quit due to being supernauseous.

[@seebarry4068]

What’s that tea thing?

[@dannyleeracing]

Spoon on a drill

[@Darchful]

I want to comment that with this Truebrake we could have a problem like I have had. I have been able to solve it although the spring was not damaged, but it can happen to us. I leave you a link to the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqe2aaOce5ZmoNE Enjoy.

[@LtheDetective]

My boy accidentally ripped out his wires trying to mod his brake. But I find it easier to just calibrate how much pressure I wanna apply for 100% in the wheel settings on the game.

[@regibson23]

CSL Elite LC are too cheap to be messing around with modding potentiometer pedals. And they're a proper all metal construction. Okay so not everyone can afford them but if you can't afford $230 how are you going to afford $60?

[@M1dNite]

That doesn't make sense, if someone can stretch to $60 but not $230, should they just not bother?

[@TRD_Kyle]

TIL that $60 = $230, that'll be handy in the future. But really man, com on. I don't want to spend just as much on only a pedal set as I did for my entire setup. I can afford $230 pedals, I just don't want to spend the money. For some people we just want the smallest financial investment into it as possible while still getting a good experience.

[@dannyleeracing]

I see your point but don't forget about console racers that can't mix and match between Logitech/Fanatec, and a 1.5x improvement for £60 is better value per pound than a 2.0x improvement for £230 even if it might not get quite the same on-track results

[@Sighman]

Sim racing is just a hobby for me. I can afford $230 pedals but I can't justify $230 pedals. Same reason I'm using a G29 and not a DD wheel. I built my sim-rig PC out of second-hand components, and It's come together really nicely. Triple-screen setup, 6400 x 1080 rez, a home-made button box and a bucket seat on a frame I built myself.

[@dimitris.4484]

This is an awesome mod the only bad thing I could tell is that is very hard even harder than the original I have the 27% version.

[@Darchful]

It's true, I'm using non-slip feet but in the end you have to exert so much force at certain times that the chair comes out or moves. The solution, cockpit.

[@Deniz1923]

- It's probably over engineered if anything, but that can only really be a good thing _Sad panther gearbox noises_

[@laverdad6290]

what are the part needed for this mod g29 ,, truebrake , potenciometer and also those cables ?

[@dannyleeracing]

You only need the Truebrake kit itself to do this mod. You can see an updated review here which might help you answer any questions: kzbin.info/www/bejne/naTcoKaLmbyYis0si=MI7QAwgYOzsldu06

[@cryptobigboss]

Your spacers look different than the ones thst came with mine. Each step on the ones that came with mine have a little bit of black gum they just are variable in size.

[@ThexGreatxLTS]

I actually emailed them about this, as mine look like the ones in this video, yet older videos have the rubber stoppers you describe. They said it is a design update.

[@cryptobigboss]

@@ThexGreatxLTS ok so the ones without the rubbers are the update?

[@ThexGreatxLTS]

@@cryptobigboss yes seems so but I wonder how different the two revisions are.

[@cryptobigboss]

@@ThexGreatxLTS was imaging it must be a little tighter as far as feel or maybe just more durable over the long haul.

[@Famous_Mist]

Does it work on a xbox or some pc configuration is needed?

[@thebigcat8312]

Just like you I was sceptical . Just like you I was pleasantly suprised . It took 2 months to arrive but that was down to the Covid outbreak messing with supplies and AXC kept me adequately informed of what was happening . The device itself is very well made and for me does exactly what I wanted . It has improved my braking consitancy and confidence . I have used loadcells and this is a great , much cheaper alternative . You will need to secure your pedals as you will be putting much more pressure on them . AXC have done a very good job and I totally recommend this mod .

[@sSaAaVVw]

From their diagram, this IS the loadcell

[@jayelvin646]

Is it any good for console with no way of adjusting it?

[@dannyleeracing]

There are different grade inserts available so you can adjust it, just not a 2 second job!

[@bobbybrown5497]

They show different spring rating. Which would you recommend for an xbox user. I have a mind bolted to a cage, and enjoy a slightly lighter brake feel. Thanks.

[@dannyleeracing]

I think the Truebrake will still be firmer than your current unmodified pedals, you may want to steer clear if you like a lighter brake feel. Someone might have more to chip in on this one!

[@daleyparsons7219]

I’m on the TruBrake website to order one and it’s asking what main spring rating is like. 38kg, 30,23 or 15kg. What do people go for? The lightest?

[@dannyleeracing]

If in doubt, go down the middle! If you have solid pedal mounting (a cockpit) then go 30 or 38, if you don't then 23 or 15 would probably be better otherwise the whole thing might tip. I don't know from experience, though - just an estimation.

[@ekoeko4988]

It is compatibil with ps4pro?

[@monZter33]

I wish there was a version with more travel and more of a linear feel. Kind of getting disappointed every time I get behind the wheel, because it doesn't give me the feel of actually driving a car. More like playing a Video Game.

[@dannyleeracing]

That's interesting, because my experiences are the opposite - I've had a good handful of chances to take proper racecars for a spin (experiences and scholarship comps etc) and they all have one thing in common - the brake pedals are FIRM. Road car brakes are soft and easy to press because they don't need to be precise, just accessible for everyone whether you're a 25 year old gym fiend or a 90 year old granny with twigs for legs. Stick with it man, especially if you've not had it for long. I remember it feeling super weird having to press hard to do my brakes but when I acclimatised it made the world of difference to consistency.

[@Voltikz95]

Anyone in console able to advise on spring weight, the website says if your on console to opt for a softer spring, but I don't want something really soft, something just kinda near a real brake pedals stiffness

[@dannyleeracing]

You get a selection of spring rates in the kit, so you can choose a very hard stiffness if you want

[@dylanhopkins5743]

I’ve got the true brake mod it has very little travel 30 40 % but my issue is whenever I use my gt3 car on iracing I always lock up due to the little travel is this due to my technique or should I adjust my brake pedal?

[@brunogil6630]

think squeeze instead of stamp. also, you can play with the sensitivity in game. but mostly, you gotta get used to the different way you needt o operate the brake. Squeeze, not stamp

[@barriegunning]

It was a good video… until the ‘mechanical spoon stirring tea’ moment threw me… wtf??

[@dannyleeracing]

Work smarter, not harder

[@motovelocidademeaux]

Just ordered mine. I hope I can be more consistent on brakes after installing it.

[@SpaceRanger187]

Need to stream on twitch and yt.and do real races for money.ive been wanting to buy a set up..but can't decide what to get

[@dannyleeracing]

Get yourself a G29 to start with, it's where the majority place their first step

[@furryotaku4173]

Was the cockpit you're using a diy setup or did you buy it? If you bought it, can I get a link?

[@dannyleeracing]

The cockpit used here was a spare from a bargain bundle I got with the G29 but if I'm honest I wouldn't recommend it, it flexes way too much especially with a Truebrake. If you watch closely you'll see the wooden chocks I put underneath the pedal plate to stop the flex. My main cockpit up until this weekend was the GT Omega ART which was actually pretty good: amzn.to/3pF6iWh

[@84Justino]

Huge huge improvement. I can't say anything bad about the product. It just delivers. The client support is also top notch. It takes a while to deliver but the guy from axc it's very responsive.

[@dannyleeracing]

AXC seem to be an independent manufacturer and if it's one thing independents can do, it's damn good customer service. Not had to deal with them as mine came in the expected timeframe and the product worked fine while I was putting it through some paces but for anyone that has an issue with theirs I should think they can approach them.

[@Sraindl1]

I love mine, only issue im having is brake not fully releasing in sim, even after multiple recalibrates it still shows it hanging just slightly to where i gotta pull it back with my toe. Going to attempt to fabricate a little tiny spacer to fix that slight problem.

[@dannyleeracing]

Contact AXC, they will probably happily help you

[@crazyrobots845]

I have been using this the last couple months and while I never tried a real load cell now I get what the fuss is about. Agree with @Danny Lee that the insert with the least travel is best. I tried the opposite one but it basically just makes a large dead zone which I just found confusing, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it actually affects the stiffness of the actual braking zone if you get what I mean

[@TheHolyLoomis]

I'm waiting on my order which should arrive in the next couple days so I haven't actually tried it myself, but I'm pretty sure you're right in that if you use an insert with more travel, you basically just get a larger deadzone before actually engaging the brake.

[@bendoherty7721]

But you are still going through the wheel which still creates a curve. You need the adapter from that company in silverstone to get the linear brake as the true brake is designed. You can get fanatec pedals with a Logitech wheel with that adapter

[@dannyleeracing]

I wasn't initially aware of the braking curve but looking back there is definitely an S-shaped curve, though it didn't bother me in testing, felt spot on. Thanks for dropping your input about the cable, I'm assuming you're talking about the Leo Bodnar as I've seen that mentioned in loads of the comments

[@makguy1280]

I have one and I have to say it’s like night and day.

[@Jedi_Beasticles]

i havent driven with high end pedals, but with my loadcell upgraded logitech pedals, i find myself reluctant to upgrade as i have had NO issues. i've also used a mod to turn my shifter and pedals into USB which doubles the fidelity of the pedals. when the pedals connect directly to the wheel base, the wheel base HALVES the fidelity. so between the 2 mods its hard to justify an entirely new pedal set

[@robertcross5794]

Can you provide some more info on the USB conversion?

[@Jedi_Beasticles]

@@robertcross5794 sure! for just one device at a time being converted to USB, highly consider "leo bodnar's" dongles (theres a pedal one and a shifter one, the plugs are slightly different) . if you're converting a shifter AND a pedal set i recommend the 2-in-1 simagic conversion box, as it controls both from only 1 USB plug

[@NFiniteCombos]

I'd love to try this out but my issue is that I don't have a cockpit setup and the website states that it's a harder press to do a full brake stop. I'm not trying to fly off my office chair being pushed all the way back making driving near impossible.

[@dannyleeracing]

It is definitely harder to press than the standard config, but if you replace your chair castors with bell castors then you won't slide back on your office chair. I used my Fanatec Clubsports for a long time on a desk/office chair setup thanks to them: amzn.to/2Mrg4wE

[@Derpynewb]

Very late response, but they sell weaker springs if you don't mind taking the truebrake apart. Low as 12KG I think?

[@pedrofigueiredo64]

Wich one is the stiffer ? The smaller or the greatest )

[@dannyleeracing]

I believe the larger the spacer, the stiffer it is

[@ILLEAGLE_34]

Ok y’all I’ve read quite a few different comments and the one thing that I haven’t heard is if you ca n “expect “ faster lap times? I have feeling it’s more of a immersion type deal than anything. If not someone please post the before and after lap times.

[@dannyleeracing]

You will be able to set better pace over race distance as your accuracy will be better due to the better muscle memory you will learn. A better 'all time' fastest lap isn't what you'll get, but better race pace and less mistakes, especially in cars without ABS

[@ILLEAGLE_34]

@@dannyleeracing thank you for your response. That was pretty much the info I was curious about. I’m fairly good a qualifying but my race pace is severely lacking. The confidence in consent braking is what I “ think “ I need to take the next step forward. 🤙🏽

[@paulmcguffog7702]

Could you advise how it compares to your homemade “pencil eraser” brake mod? I have been running the pencil eraser mod in the brake for a few months and although it’s better than the stock setup, would the tru brake be a massive improvement from this still?

[@dannyleeracing]

It would be a valid improvement as it will give you a bit more 'range' than the DIY mod. Essentially, the truebrake does truly emulate load cells really well not just in feel but in output. It's well worth it if it's inside your max budget and the Clubsport V3's arent

[@paulmcguffog7702]

@@dannyleeracing cheers Danny. The fanatec upgrade will have to wait till we’ve moved house so I think the tru brake might be a decent investment for the time being. Cheers

[@iiStryker360]

Is that a Quest 2? How well do you like it for sim racing?

[@dannyleeracing]

I prefer triple screens but the Quest 2 is a more than capable device - better than a Rift S says a buddy of mine and it's a god damn entertaining device in it's own right

[@elicarterracing5001]

I will try this and that is cool that you are using VR! Is that the Oculous Quest 2 because I am getting those and I want to know how they are.

[@dannyleeracing]

Yep, that's the Quest 2. I'll be honest, for 300 quid it's AWESOME. I've been having loads of fun playing Contractors VR in standalone mode with mates but when it's linked to my PC by cable it can be used for Racing, Dirt Rally, Steam VR, Google Earth VR etc. The Quest 2 is a blatant loss leader to gain market share so right now it is brilliant value compared to the competitors. I used VR to conduct the truebrake test for logistics reasons as my main rig's pedal plate is homemade and can't accommodate the G29. Good excuse to spend more time racing in VR...

[@elicarterracing5001]

@@dannyleeracing OKay thank you

[@sag2974]

I only use ps4 or ps3 with my g29, and so only really gran turismo titles. I am told that, as you can't adjust the braking amount in these games, this mod will actually prevent you from achieving 100% brake force. Has anyone got this tried it with these particular games, and can verify one way or another?

[@andylee2174]

Not used in ps4, but Gran Turismo 5 and 6 works perfectly! I actually was bad at braking in these games, now not so much!

[@sag2974]

@@andylee2174 Thanks Andy. So how do you get the shorter travel of the Tru Brake to register 100%, being that you can't adjust the system in Gt5 & 6? From what i was aware, logitech have their own built in software that requires the pedal to be pressed so far to register that for these games....

[@andylee2174]

@@sag2974 there comes different hardness of bushings with the kit so you can adjust the travel. I am quite hard on the brake pedal, not that good with it as i said,those hardest bushings are bit too soft for me, so i would imagine you find right pedal travel for you. Sorry about the bad english, not even my second language

[@davidetherington2567]

I’ve had mine since last summer on an Xbox. Most games will allow you to adjust the travel from the in game settings so it’s not much of an issue even on console. The only game I’ve not been able to adjust is the original Assetto Corsa but even that hasn’t caused much of an issue. Well worth the upgrade, I wouldn’t go back but worth noting my pedal set is firmly bolted to a Playseat Challenge..

[@c_tatsu5525]

only works for iracing

[@dannyleeracing]

I don't think that's correct, the creators of this device specify it works with consoles/GTS, there's no reason why it won't work with any sim that depends on accurate braking. You wouldn't want to use it with arcade racers, no, but anything at or above the level of F1/GTS should be good for it. Do you have a different experience?

[@shippo_53]

Thanks Danny. I use the clutch pedal as the brake on my set up do you know if it work on that?

[@dannyleeracing]

I can't see any reason why not - the device isn't aware of which pedal you have it affixed to - so long as the 'brake' cable is plugged into it, your system will read it as a brake pedal

[@shippo_53]

@@dannyleeracing thanks that’s great 👍

[@davet9655]

I get it works great with PC, did you say it works on a console, say with GTS?

[@dannyleeracing]

Works on a console with GTS according the the guys at axc-sim.com, check out their site as I saw earlier they have specific comments about GTS

[@markmacfarlane6044]

Works fine in gt sport

[@aliabdullah96]

Which vr do u use ?

[@dannyleeracing]

It's an Oculus Quest 2, really really good for the money: amzn.to/3tQOoTf

[@mykl1673]

its out of stock :(

[@dannyleeracing]

You can still place a pre-order for the next batch. I did and it came pretty much on the stated time window but it can vary if there's unexpected order quantities or locations given their small size.

[@MrPuddles3331]

I assume this won't fit a DFGT

[@dannyleeracing]

I can't confirm - it isn't listed as compatible with DFGT so best play it safe and avoid

[@MrPuddles3331]

@@dannyleeracing got the wheel for free so shouldn't complain. Good starting point.

[@tudormuntean1432]

It's good. The playseat challange (the foldable one) can't handle the force that is needed in order to brake propperly

[@arturkochan4649]

meaning? falling apart? pedal part disconected?

[@tudormuntean1432]

@@arturkochan4649 meaning you are tipping over because your need to brake harder

[@arturkochan4649]

@@tudormuntean1432 so what was your solution to that?

[@tudormuntean1432]

@@arturkochan4649 I adjusted the braking force in the software so I won't have to use 90kg of pressure, but like 30-40kg

[@LUXSTERIA]

Will look out for this!

[@SuperT6nn]

Sold!

[@ThexGreatxLTS]

I just got mine installed a few days ago and I dont know, I need to apply a ton of pressure to brake its kind of dissatisfying.

[@realtalk9195]

I’ve inverted and hard mounted my pedals to the concrete wall in my living room they feel so much better inverted and super sturdy. was just concerning getting this mod but your comments put me off. I think the g29 brake has a really good feel for the price and don’t really feel like I need to apply much more pressure to get to 100% than in my real car. Think Logitech have done a good job so I’m just going to keep it stock

[@ThexGreatxLTS]

@@realtalk9195 For what it’s worth, my pedals are just on carpet so perhaps hard mounted will prevent any “slop” or pressing the pedal set into the carpet more. I have been messing with Assetto Corsa’ brake Gamma and I have improved it, but will take getting used to. Apparently this “Leo Bodnar” adapter cable really helps the brake curve, but the cost probably puts you into “just spend a bit more on better pedals” territory. I also agree that the normal Logi pedal is great and I think I’m going to switch back to stock until I can set up a proper hard mounted set up.

[@realtalk9195]

@@ThexGreatxLTS Yh mate I’d definitely recommend hard mounting them if you can. Then experiment with the 4 little different sized things 🤷‍♂️🤣 till you hopefully get a better feel than stock. I love assetto corsa only got it on PS4 I know it’s supposed to be way better on pc. but can’t play it now coz iv got psvr so limited to gt sport and dirt rally but anyway good luck with the mod adjustment 👍

[@ThexGreatxLTS]

@@realtalk9195 Thanks bud, cheers

[@dannyleeracing]

As has been said, it's gonna feel a bit weird to start with and you will definitely find it better if you can hard-mount your pedals or at the very least make a more solid mount for them that goes up against the wall or something like that. I was an office chair racer for ages so I made it work but switching over to a rig made things much better and I have a video about my current setup here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGHCgqJjn7upndk

[@berggunner1130]

The tea!! 😆

[@phaedrussocrates7636]

Is it too hard to press (for long races) without shoes? I'm not keen at all to sim-racing in shoes😁🙃

[@Sighman]

Yeah, I used to sim-race in socks but now I wear sneakers. It's the only downside.

[@Sighman]

Even in 10 min Rookie Mazda races. The required force on the brake pedal is immense. However, if you left-foot brake I should think it would be easier on the feet. (I use a 6-speed shifter and manual clutch in most of my races.)

[@phaedrussocrates7636]

@@Sighman ok, thank you very much for this. May I ask for just one clarification? So it is not possible to adjust the stiffnes of this mod in any way, there is only one setting?

[@Sighman]

@@phaedrussocrates7636 Not the stiffness, no. Only how far the pedal goes before braking begins to occur.

[@dannyleeracing]

I used to be a sock-racer, until I got my current Fanatec Clubsport V3's and then I just couldn't press them without hurting my feet. Now I use thin-soled shoes and funnily enough I wouldn't go back to socks. It's weird considering a year ago I would have been socks 'til I die. But it's definitely the case that with the G29's pedals being really soft/light as standard, wearing shoes makes it a lot harder to feel the pedals.

[@RSC83]

Does it work in ps4?

[@dannyleeracing]

It doesn't change the compatibility of your Logitech wheel so yes, have a flick through the comments below too as you'll see a few PS4 users chip in with their experience

[@dedge12858]

Just to confirm. Yes.

[@Dylan-180]

After you buy this mod and the recommended bodnar USB plug. You could pretty much buy a set of T-LCMs

[@robinj8092]

Do you need a Leo Bodnar cable for this to work correctly? Or is the true brake alone plug and play? (I'm on PC) Hoping to get one of these when funds allow

[@dannyleeracing]

No leo bodnar or extra cables needed - Plug and play, it connects to the existing wiring, couldn't be simpler.

[@robinj8092]

@@dannyleeracing That's awesome, thanks Danny. Nice review!

[@philsamways]

It works without the LB cable, but I highly recommend that cable. For the little cost, the cable increases the resolution of the G29 pedals hugely, smooths out the inputs for better control and you can remove the aggressive brake curve in the firmware to help reduce locking up in hard braking zones.

[@dannyleeracing]

@@philsamways Perfect, this is useful info for those following the comments. Glad that proper users like yourself can chip in as you've got a lot more insight than a 'driveby' test can give so thank you dude.

[@TheHolyLoomis]

I highly recommend getting the cable. Full disclosure, I haven't actually gotten my Truebrake yet, should arrive sometime this week, but I got my Bodnar cable today and I've been trying it out for the last few hours. I can definitely tell you that the feel of the pedals is massively improved, braking is a LOT more consistent and I started improving lap times immediately. Seeing as the feel is already so much better, I absolutely can't wait to get my new brake and put it all together.

[@nathkrul]

Bought one myself, hopefully get it next week

[@cryptobigboss]

I got one, love it. HUGE improvement!

[@knottym00se]

Just ordered one, you should see about getting a referral link!

[@dannyleeracing]

Cheers man, hopefully once you acclimatise to the extra pressure then you'll find accurate and consistent braking much easier

[@22wheels]

Curious, I have trouble with the brake being in the middle and want to reposition the brake to the outside and the clutch in the middle, can that be done and use the true brake mods? And has anyone done that?

[@1gazrobo1]

Do you ever use the clutch? I don't so i removed it altogether and then moved the brake pedal over to where the clutch was. It was a lot more comfortable for me being a left foot braker.

[@spamcrud5639]

Looks like a good product. I couldn't easily get hold of one last autumn, so I use garden wire (thick, green from ASDA/Walmart) to hold down the pedal to the obvious point where the travel resistance increases. Drill holes in the top 2 plastic buttons at the top of the pedal, thread the wire up through one and back down through the other hole. The wire then loops round the back of the pedal box and wind it around a hex frame screw under the pedal box (there's an obvious hole to use) to secure it. I then adjust the tension and Windows calibration range to about 55-255. A Bodnar cable (using its calibration software) increased this range to 300-750. Pedal movement range reduced from 4.5cm to 1.5cm with good increasing resistance through this travel. Happy man.

[@markmacfarlane6044]

I got one of these, and can confirm this review. It works, is easy to install and of high quality. Overall this is a bargain. I received no instructions with mine, so tuning it is a bit of a mystery. Only downside is it does take a lot more pedal force to use. For me it was very worthwhile to switch the clutch and brake locations-easier to reach brake and I don't use the clutch. Makes it like a go kart.

[@dannyleeracing]

Awesome man, thanks for vouching, I appreciate you taking the time out to share your thoughts. For the instructions, check axc-sim.com/downloads for the manual. A printed one isn't supplied in the box

[@filippopages5135]

pointless video: dosn't explain how it works, doesn't explain how to install it, doesn't explain anything really, he only says that he likes it. Pointless

[@dannyleeracing]

You can find all that info on their product page and they do a real good job of that. For subjective opinion, you've got mine right here

[@soisaidtogod4248]

You could all grow up and drive real cars. You know get a job and pay for things instead of silly pretend game stuff.

[@anitachen90]

Nobody is interested in your stupid thoughts ... and now go back under your rock you are living at ... :D