Trump Effect On Electrification, Volvo EX30 First Deliveries Move Up To This Year

[@rv7pilot]

I’m pro fair competition. As long as we continue to subsidize oil with 100’s of billions of dollars, we should continue subsidize EV’s.

[@PWN-E]

Absolutely!

[@nerdbikes3841]

If EVs don’t;t get government support neither should the oil industry. The oil industry gets special tax breaks and US Military director support paid for by US taxpayers. It costs $$Billions every year to aid oil tankers access through dangerous waters far away and this cost is paid by taxpayers so oil executives can rake in huge $ bonuses and salaries. If the US taxpayer did not provide free security and put our military lives in harm’s way the price of gasoline would likely be closer to $10/gal due to paying for US Military security or having to obtain much more expensive shipping insurance.

[@scotduckrow8524]

Tom hit the most important point. Elon should get Trump to get Federal legislation to make direct to consumer sales legal for all automakers, gutting the State dealership networks as they stand in the way.

[@ab-tf5fl]

Would be nice, but somewhat skeptical given how so many car dealers are deep-pocketed Republican donors.

[@nevco8774]

Elon has a free hand for Tesla with no dealerships. Why should he worry about others? He now is in a club of exclusively self interest driven individuals who prefer to throw under the bus everyone else.

[@PWN-E]

Sounds great! As long as auto manufacturers still provide service. Tesla's service is a bit hit-or-miss.

[@Angusoksen]

Let's Hope Elon can bring some positive changes to his new political position. If he can cut subsidies for the oil industry and remove stupid legistations like not allowing online sales and other stupid car industry laws. Then I think it's OK he bought his way in to political power!

[@bradcooke5383]

Love the content fellas. Thanks so much.

[@caraziegel7652]

Equinox also makes me think of the Kona - but the reason teh Kona isnt selling is because there ARENT any. People on the forums are always complaining that there arent any in stock anywhere.

[@johnpoldo8817]

I agree with Tom on subsidies. Trump won’t remove oil subsidies until energy prices decline markedly. He needs lower energy costs to reduce inflation. Every time manufacturers raise prices they claim it’s due to higher energy costs and labor.

[@larry6736]

Was going to order Lucid Gravity but after adding all options that are on other luxury EVs, price came out over $120K which is way more than other EVs I'm considering such as Porsche electric Macan 4, Polestar 3 and Cadillac Lyriq Sport 3. All competitors also have local service while nearest Lucid is 132 miles away. Disappointing how many features were not included in Lucid Gravity GT $95K base price.

[@BatteriesIncludedPodcast]

Hard agree. There were a lot of options that should have been standard on a vehicle in this price class. - DY

[@ShannonMollenhauer]

Miss Go Electric and Out of Spec Dave would be great guests on a frequent basis.

[@stephenbateman7254]

On car dealerships: The entire process from picking my Model 3 to signing the paperwork and picking it up was about 30 minutes. It took 2 hours to just test drive and get a payment estimate at the local Kia dealership. Dealerships make it too long/arduous and that's a big reason people hate them

[@brucejankowitz4501]

re:monroe, he has always pushed whatever he is financially invested in. Not a fan if your not trustworthy

[@sirgardensalot]

Martyn I'm sorry but I'll yet to find a dealer that would hold your hand through the the whole process of buying a car because most times they just rubbing their hands together and just thinking about all the add-ons that they can charge you for, like nitrogen filled tires paint protective package an extended warranty on a brand new vehicle for $4,000 but the vehicle has a 3-year warranty anyway

[@dandaigle4546]

i can't waite for the the third part of the I 90 surge, this was a good podcast, time will tell what happens to the ice and ev industries, i personally believe in ev's and nuclear power to power homes and charge ev's, we need both

[@accountability2000]

Totally agree with Tom's comment on the EV subsidies (and his critique of gas subsidies). They're really important at this stage but they don't need to last forever.

[@brucejankowitz4501]

I'd like to see the gas subsidies go away, but I'd also like a 7 figure check to appear in the mail, but I don't hold my breath

[@bobbyjones2112]

Nobody’s ready for it yet there’s not enough stations and if you live in an apartment, you’re screwed! They don’t allow me to run an extension cord out to my car to vacuum much less charge my car..lol They don’t care about the incentives they just don’t wanna be forced to buy something. They are not ready to buy, and they don’t want you using their money to buy your car.

[@johnpoldo8817]

A few years ago I lived 18 months in a Boston apartment that had EV charging in its garage. Competitors offered same, but higher end ones only. Competition is the driving force for apartments to offer EV charging. Sadly, most apartment managers don’t know that chargers can directly bill the driver. There are great new solutions from Pando, Orange Charge, Plugzio, and others.

[@jarrodf_]

I will never buy a Tesla as long as Elon has any interest in the company. Elon and his felon bestie Trump deserve each other

[@mikeflanary642]

You can get access to the supercharger network with other EVs that are better

[@河粉-k1h]

Lots of choices besides Tesla now

[@MrAngryrooster]

are you going to use the Tesla superchargers? starlink? just asking.

[@jarrodf_]

@MrAngryrooster EV sales make up >95% of Tesla revenues. Otherwise, personally have no reason to use Starlink. And per above, superchargers don't make much money for Tesla (if anything); most use few public charging stations per year, but I would use Tesla if no alternatives were available. To prove the principle, you might pick your own person you despise and ask if you'd buy their products if you had many other viable alternatives

[@HawkJ88]

It would be nice if you guys had more guests on like Miss Go Electric that would be great.

[@nicholaskolnik6458]

Maybe Jordan can join instead of Kyle!

[@accountability2000]

Max would be better. He's more knowledgeable on policy and he actually owns an EV. Max is also working with that non-partisan political group to push for more pro EV policies. I think he would be a really good asset to the podcast.

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

@@accountability2000 max doesn’t work for oss anymore he is in law school

[@accountability2000]

@@markfitzpatrick6692 If so, he's doing side work for the EV Politics KZbin Channel. Being in school does not prevent him doing an 1 hour podcast once a week, nor does he need to be an employee with OSS.

[@Snacktimey]

Jordan would be great as a replacement when necessary!

[@larry6736]

Good to hear about Volvo EX30. Martyn also stated that the software problems on the EX30 have now been resolved. What about the software issues for the Volvo EX90 and Polestar 3? Both are now made in the USA but I have not heard anything about all the software issues have now been resolved. Looking to buy in 2024 but would love a software status update.

[@dalepettigrew5071]

I need that replacement meter box, who makes it, and when is it expected to be available for sale?

[@Dactylonian]

For those that want to reconsider the EX30, where can we test drive?

[@BatteriesIncludedPodcast]

Your local Volvo dealer would be the only place at this point, so I would get in touch with them and ask when they expect to have a demonstrator. The EX30 was on display at Electrify Expo events this year, but I don't believe it was part of the drive portion of those events. Hopefully, it will be included in 2025.

[@dennisschlieckau8723]

Ethenol industry relies on a Blending subsidy that helps offset the cost oil terminals charge to add ethanol to gasoline. That blending happens as the Gasoline product is loaded on delivery Tankers destined to the retailers

[@PWN-E]

How about the US stop supporting the EV transition when China stops supporting its EV transition.

[@bigfan007]

When it comes Trump, expect chaos and lots of legal actions.

[@11abhishek11]

India is growing rapidly now. Build quality, safety and features are much better than before. Btw, we get 4TB hard disks delivered in 10 minutes in India and not 6 hours.

[@e-care-books9867]

Martyn said his neighborhood is "leafy."..... "LEAF-y" ?? Haha, Friday Funnies. Cheers!

[@scotduckrow8524]

Get an Out of Spec crewmember when Kyle is busy (Jordan, Dave, etc.)

[@tonystorcke]

China does not have to worry about changes in planning for EV tranition. They think 50 to 100 years into the future.

[@geoffreyevans6133]

So they planned the cultural revolution in the 1920s.

[@Larry-q6p]

I’m a long time EV owner and fan. I also have faith in the free market. I’m confident EVs will do fine without politicians and bureaucrats meddling. One of, perhaps “the”, biggest impediment to wider EV adoption is the entanglement with politics.

[@PWN-E]

The EV market will do fine. It's just that China will be the whole market.

[@Larry-q6p]

@@PWN-EI’m confident that US workers, free of government meddling and political baggage, can win that fight.

[@PWN-E]

@@Larry-q6p That's cool! I've been been into EVs since 2008 myself. 👍 BYD alone has "EV" factories in California, Hungary, France, Brazil, Thailand, India, of course China, and I think Canada too. And there's a half dozen "prominent" Chinese EV manufacturers who've done the same. Where are Ford's EV global factories? GM? Tesla? I shouldn't bother mentioning Chrysler. We're already WAY behind. Chinese manufacturers got the jump on us in multiple renewable industries and we almost need a miracle to even start fighting back.

[@Larry-q6p]

@@PWN-E I believe that miracle happened last Tuesday. The guy who’s leaving NASA behind on the way to Mars has the President’s ear. Would you bet against him?

[@PWN-E]

@@Larry-q6p He will let the US coast technologically and give the competition the advantage they need to finish off the US auto industry. He's always spoken out against new tech in favor of steam catapults, coal power, etc. And he's mostly kept his word.

[@craig8638]

The Trump family took a post election photo. Melania was not in the photo, but Elon Musk was. so at least one electric car maker will be supported by this administration. he will however gut environmental regulations. I think that’s the sad part for many people who drive EV because they care about the environment.

[@M-rk8he]

I could be wrong but I don’t think Musk will have much of a say in what Trump and republicans do. They took his gift of over 100 million dollars and allowed him to hop up and down on stage like an idiot. I don’t see him having much say in major decisions. Trump is not loyal or grateful to anyone long term. I could be wrong. And if I am, Musk could decide to use his sway of Trump on Space X, Starlink and AI and less so on climate change goals. Tesla benefited from subsidies for years and is the EV leader in US partly do to that government money. In 2025 getting rid of subsidies and EV targets helps Tesla. EV startups will fail and legacy auto makers will slow or halt their electrification goals.

[@FordEnthusiast413]

Non EV drivers care about the environment too.

[@frankcoffey]

Legacy automakers supported the anti-EV misinformation to try to stop Tesla and their customers have socialized those talking points. Now they have a problem because they need to sell their own EVs but the customers still believe all the stuff they said about EVs years ago. Advertising doesn't work when you have already poisoned the well.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Let's be fair. Elon has killed the ev train with his behavior. I am everyone I know are "never tesla" people. At least in the USA and with environmentalists. Once the EPA gets shut down and emissions standards are gone it will be an interesting future to see what manufacturers want to buuld. Hybrids most likely, I would expect.hybrid growth is smashing Bev growth the last 2 years.

[@scotduckrow8524]

Dom, any changes to IRA won't happen overnight.

[@mikeiimura]

I am legitimately in the market for a Lucid Gravity. I was very disappointed to find that there are absolutely no details about what the Touring model specs will be. How am I supposed to figure out if the Grand Touring is worth the upgrade? The Touring will undoubtedly have a smaller battery pack and I'm OK with that. Not knowing all the other features that will make up the difference between $80k and $94k is a serious problem and now I cannot even consider Gravity until the Touring specs are out. Big fail for Lucid. I will likely not be able to wait for those details and will buy a different EV. Their loss for my business. I will get a great EV in any case.

[@BMWI35433]

First of all Stelantis makes Junk ! Secondly we haven't invested in making in America first! Do you remember when the Detriot auto industry was pumping strong! We have to invest in energy independence before we get to the next step and start making in America

[@steveellsworth2547]

In the video you mention Teslas sell just find without the tax credit. That is in fact wrong. If that were the case, Tesla would NOT have decreased the average cost of their EVs. Tesla would not also have the zero interest loans they are having today. Soooooo....your statement about not needing a tax credit is wrong.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Tesla didn't have the Tax credit for a long time and they still outsold all the other EVs available

[@steveellsworth2547]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I agree with you, but now the market is saturated and Tesla is not the only manufacturer in town. I myself own a Bolt and an Equinox EV.

[@geoffreyevans6133]

@@steveellsworth2547 as they produce more vehicles they have to lower their prices. Their model 3 was initially a very expensive car. .

[@steveellsworth2547]

@@geoffreyevans6133 You are right, but I do not believe that was the rational in Musk reduction in pricing.

[@ab-tf5fl]

Gas cars have used cash back and zero-interest loan offers to sell themselves since forever. For EVs to do the same should be hardly shocking.

[@michaelsmithers4900]

I wonder if Tesla knows how many broken 3rd party handles are out there. Chargepoint comes to mind…

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Should be an interesting 4 years, whether good or bad. Elon bought himself a president so I'm not too hopeful for the Chinese evs coming here anytime soon.

[@FordEnthusiast413]

Why would you want the Chinese EVs to even come here? Buy American and support American workers!

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

@FordEnthusiast413 good lord no. Nobody should have bought American since the late 1980s. They are garbage. We are not a manufacturing nation and haven't been for decades. The days of a high school diploma and working an assembly line gig and making enough to buy a house are 50 years out of date.

[@trainingtheworld5093]

@@FordEnthusiast413from The Land of Opportunity to The Land of the Tariff because our products aren’t that good.

[@markrichards9792]

Gonna add my weekly comnent. Please figure out your audio levels. Tom is super loud, can't hardly hear Dom.

[@BatteriesIncludedPodcast]

We saw comments that Martyn's mic was low, so I set it to max. I didn't see any comments about my voice. It's always tricky for me to judge my own volume - I'm not sure my voice is included in the mix in my ear buds. - DY

[@888dvdbkr]

you could have out of spec dave on...or if you talking FSD dirty tesla..if your talking broader scale things either two bit devinte or undecided or jordan of course or Aylssa to get her take on things!

[@junec759]

Without incentives, most people cannot afford EVs. I would not have purchased mine if there was no incentive.

[@markrichards9792]

Incentives artificially increase prices at this point. Look at Hyundai offering 7500 off because they don't get the tax credit

[@ab-tf5fl]

Counter-balancing a cut of incentives, the cars themselves are getting cheaper every year as economies of scale kicks up. There will also be an large and increasing stock of used EVs available for those that can't afford new ones.

[@JimmyDorff]

Get Robert from Aging Wheels on sometime!

[@jay198827]

Both of my used EVs were over $25k. If you look at the market it’s easy to find a good deal and don’t really need a EV tax credit. I just bought my EQE 350+ suv for $42k.

[@M-rk8he]

I take your point that there are great deals on used EVs already but for some lower and middle income people that $4000 used EV credit is so beneficial to getting into a cleaner and cheaper to fuel vehicle.

[@ronaldgarrison8478]

What would be best for Tesla would be, not incentives, but regulations. They would be better able to meet the requirements than would the competition.

[@bobbyjones2112]

I didn’t get $7500 credit to buy my Dodge Challenger hellcat that sucks!😂

[@TassieEV]

Guys why not have Dave or Jordan on for those times that Kyle can't make it or perhaps guest hosts like Liv & Pat who've been on in the past. Tariff's just hurt the consumer and give them less choice and is very protectionist because local manufacturers lobbied because they can't compete. Luckily I don't live there and have lots of choice with zero tariff's. Will NEVI funding get wiped and the tax credits as Tom has said may also go.

[@SiuLeung]

All those incentives on EV's are what's hurting our resale values and making depreciation on EV's crazy.

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

Lacee from miss go electric is A. Good person to have a guest .

[@bobbyjones2112]

Nobody said it’s gonna be overnight. You guys are like freaking out Relax. You can’t do any of this overnight. You guys are in full panic mode when you have no reason to panic.

[@BMWI35433]

He wasn't anti EV i think he was just focused on energy independence

[@MrAngryrooster]

you guys keep talking about being fair but are fine with Chinese imports that are built with cheap labor.

[@bobbyjones2112]

Be careful what you wish for USA because I know what’s best for you. Maybe you should think it through before you have an argument on KZbin because you guys are panicking like crazy people.😂

[@CMCNestT]

Hey Martyn, did you see Tesla valuation this weekend? 1 TRILLION DOLLARS. hA HA Ha!

[@markrichards9792]

Elon needs to get Trump out to a proving grounds and get him behind the wheel of a plaid, a cybertruck, and even some other EVs from Chevy and Hyundai, etc. Trump is a sports car guy going way back

[@trainingtheworld5093]

Delusional

[@LuckyAeon]

Exactly. Only reason Trump cares is because Elon gave him money. You can never forget that tweet when he was President and shit all over Elon when he came to the White House

[@auggysimcity]

you cant make this shit up....