Trump Will be Far Worse on Regulating Technology & A.I. Companies Than The Biden Administration

Has this pod saved America…from phone addiction?! We got Jon Lovett to take a rather extreme version of the Offline challenge in Fiji, AND America’s top doctor and friend of the pod Vivek Murthy is now calling for a Surgeon General’s warning label on social media platforms. Max and Jon bask in their success, then mourn the dismantling of the Stanford Internet Observatory, the nation’s leading mis- and disinformation research organization. Then, Max sits down with longtime tech journalist Brian Merchant to talk about whether AI development is slowing down, why workers should organize against the technology, and what good AI use cases and centaurs have in common.
CHAPTERS
0:00 - Intro
1:53 - Surgeon General's warning label on social media
8:45 - State bills protecting children on social media
19:03 - Stanford Internet Observatory dismantled
25:07 - Vivek Murthy interview
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[@cradio52]

The fact that smartphones were *ever* allowed in schools is insane to me… I’m just old enough yet young enough to have had flip phones and then T-Mobile Sidekicks when I was in high school and my teachers were RABID about spotting those things. If they saw us clacking out a T9 text at our desks during class, it would immediately be confiscated until the end of the day.

[@natbarmore]

The answer to “age verification is too hard, the only way we could do this is to not give algorithmic feeds to _anyone”_ is “ok”.

[@slianyong7550]

Dumb phones until ... 17? This way, no need to get personal id

[@keithkempster5838]

Madison Avenue has convinced parents that they aren't good parents and "cool" unless their kids are fully on online with the latest tech.

[@hippypunkdragon]

Offline has been amazingly informative and made a real difference in how I approach social media. Great job Crooked Team!

[@mollymclean-xj3qd]

I miss chatting with one or two people through IG. I have cut my use by 90-95%. First I set a 15 minute timer. Then I was aware of popping on and seeing bad news immediately. I have been on KZbin much more, but watching the pod 😂

[@elizabethmeyer-shields6348]

Great show! John mentioned quiet time for Charlie without screens. We had the same challenge when my son dropped his nap, and I discovered there are so many podcasts for children. He's nine now and still listens to podcasts and audio books during quiet time.

[@iDOGu]

Listening to audio stories is a great idea, we used to listen to casette tapes. But also books are not only for kids who can read, there are loads for toddlers and young children.

[@diamonddog3685]

Brian Merchant's analysis of AI was the most insightful I've heard from anyone. Fantastic interview.

[@quietreason8679]

Much of what he says comes from Cory Doctorow (Merchant even quotes him in the interview). I'd suggest looking up his blog and reading it, he's a very insightful writer.

[@dawnfmEnthusiast]

Offline has such a calming vibe.

[@dross24MA]

What did you do for quiet time without electronic distraction? I did a lot of pretend! Looked at picture books, used building blocks/Legos, colored/drew, looked out the window at the trees & birds...

[@whysoserious8666]

I Spy…. “Tree!”😂. It’s from a movie I can’t remember the title.

[@prof.jezebel]

I raised my kid without screens. He also painted, embroidered, did weavings, made forts, wrote and illustrated his own books, made up his own games, made his own toys with wood carving/sewing, baked, concocted soups, and ran around exploring, chucking stones in the lake and whacking trees with sticks. I miss those days now that he is a teen on screens. Do you miss those days?

[@millrace32]

i think this is the most useful way to view internet devices today - like a window, where the user can look out, & others can look in. factor in some estimate of the computational power available, such that when you look out the window you are seeing a view that people & computers combined think you want to see, & likewise, looking in, you are being seen by people combined with computers looking for people like you. this is so basic, & so easy to teach, & so important for people to understand, that i have to wonder whether the aim of the discussion is really to help people interact with tech, or instead to control the ability of people to empower themselves

[@56nickrich]

$3 trillion ... INVIDIA ... Workers gaining any control over that much cash would solve a lot of problems around the world. Hollywood stood up to the obvious intrusion and have acquired rights in how AI is utilized. More workers need to speak up and demand the same control!

[@mightyone3737]

The problem of course is that there are consequences for being the tall chicken.

[@godinflt555]

I’m surprised you wouldn’t have brought up the concept of “escapism” with online content. It is not as physically observable as as cigarettes or alcohol, due to the fact that mental health relies on self-admittance and inventory; however, as a teacher, I know that the average student cannot be without their device for online usage for less than 30 minutes. That is an addiction, a distraction from their normal thought processes.

[@akinyiomer4589]

I'd very readily agree with this assessment. But I'd also like to add: whilst this is very true for a growing number of cohorts of young'uns, this is also increasingly becoming true of adults in most age brackets. So I think for potentially one of the first times in history (could be wrong, happy to be corrected) - we have a public health issue (i.e. tech / screen / mobile phone dependency) which adults are expected to shepherd children away from but they actually deeply struggle with it themselves. Sometimes you can adults like Jon Favs & Max (Offline) who can moderate their use fairly well, but they've both admitted what I think is true for most adults including myself - that their moderated use will never really get down to a level pre-mobile 2005. And most importantly I think deffo not to a level where most can say "yeah I have *asbolute* control of will & restraint over this habit to a very, very healthy level". We've gotten ourselves into the same position as we have with highly processed food. This is not to blame any one of us though, as I don't think it's down to individual strength alone. There've been so many studies, journalistic exposes and even admissions from the tech sector that these products are designed to be as addictive as possible, and the fact we use them 24/7 allows these companies the greatest profit leverage over us. They've escaped scrutiny because I think screen / tech dependence has no "obvious" heart-stopping consequences like you say, it's more of a slow erosion. That makes it difficult for people to appreciate how that's an even more dangerous type of addiction, because you can fool yourself (as I have many times) that it's not THAT big a deal and aren't there just so many positives that a tiny bit of negatives is worth it???

[@LaRomana59]

​@@akinyiomer4589Excellent insights!

[@NicholasSlabaugh]

I am deeply, deeply skeptical of letting the government dictate how social media apps work. As much as it could make the situation better for kids'/everyone's mental health, it's also easy to imagine it becoming a massive problem in the hands of bought-and-paid-for politicians and particularly right-wing governments. Imagine Trump and Desantis implementing their versions of social media regulations at the federal and state levels.

[@thinkbeyond3457]

How about what trump isn't worse on? Let's start with...ummm...wait it's coming to me...Ok, I've got nothing😂

[@suavedronyi9828]

Banning phones before guns less than 365 days since our last oopsie baby incident is bending my brain

[@marietellez6021]

Trump is a crook

[@floridamanrides863]

Vote Trump for Tax Free Tips.

[@floridamanrides863]

Pice breaking out in the Middle East.

[@floridamanrides863]

Low gas prices. Low inflation. Lower taxes. Higher growth. I could go on. The world was better under Trump and you know it.

[@KnialPiper]

There is an old twilight zone episode where the manager employees a robot that takes all his workers jobs and then eventually takes his management job. Rod Serling saw this coming

[@imperialmotoring3789]

Yes. It was a warning to unions that once they demand more than they are worth they will be replaced. Great show big fan.

[@OrigamiMarie]

The thing about how managers imagine their employees could use AI to make a first draft, is that the most grinding, unpleasant part of the job is editing and fixing the low-quality output of some other person / system. The fun part is the original creation. The hard, unpleasant, exhausting part is figuring out what somebody meant with their incoherent product, and rearranging it until it becomes coherent and compelling.

[@HoneyDems]

The problem with soothing music. Rock relaxes me. Soothing music irritates me . What music soothes a soul varies so much.

[@dolliscrawford280]

Spotify variety

[@dross24MA]

Agree that there is a great deal of variety in choices! And for me, it can vary even from hour to hour!

[@whysoserious8666]

For most people, there is little difference between their lives today than under Trump unless they were directly impacted by COVID. And for that they either don’t remember or don’t blame Trump. For low information voters all they care about are lower prices and for some reason they think Trump will make that happen. It’s not so much that they don’t care about tax cuts for the rich or the supreme court, it’s more that they can’t process the concept and the possible consequences to themselves.

[@dross24MA]

Interesting...

[@BobBrickWall]

Commenting to make more people see this.

[@pattygioffre2366]

My children are all college graduates & I am a big proponent of kids not using phones in school. That being said, we also didn't have school shootings growing up. I would feel better if my child had permission to keep a phone with them as long as it was on silent & they knew they weren't allowed to use it unless it was an absolute emergency.

[@mjohns9047]

THIS.

[@richietattersall2122]

I'm dealing with problems with my heart like Arterial Fribulations, some cells in one chamber were actually beating too often. That's been dealt with, they can actually kill those cells and the human body replaces them,, that worked. I also had a stent put in that finally got me the Blood thinner. It's the 21st century, I bought a custom watch at "Smart Watches" it links to software on my phone, at this point, I can run the same tests my Cardiologist does when I'm in his office using the watch. If I feel like something is happening that shouldn't be, I can run a test and send it to his office. Both sides of my family? most have died from heart attacks for the last 3 generations, because of where we actually are in medical technology,, It's one I don't have to worry about.

[@AbdelhakBenbassou]

Hello from France!

[@audreywellham2413]

🇫🇷 🤍💙🇺🇸✋

[@kittywalker2944]

Say ‘would be,’ not ‘will be.’ Sounds much better. 🇺🇸💙

[@noahhorst8288]

I work in aerospace manufacturing and this is literally what is happening! Management is using us skilled labor as robots and wondering why we can’t output what their spread sheets says we should be

[@lynnhettrick7588]

Jon, coloring is a good quiet time activity. I Spy books, Lego bricks, puzzles for younger kids, Fisher-Price little people, etc. A lot of options.

[@clayrogers423]

I've never met a teenager who doesn't have anxiety, many times depression, including my peers in the 50s and 60s. Shoot, I still do over the same issues. You'd think the world might grow up. Regardless, the Internet, in all its forms, only exacerbates these problems. Oh, that includes this podcast, by the way. (Not knocking you guys.) Honest news, such as this podcast, is necessary to keep us informed of the national and world problems that will affect us, our children, our grandchildren, and they children. Keep up the good work regardless of how depressing it is.

[@Silverhks]

"We wouldn't be able to do algorithmic feeds for anyone" Yes! This please!

[@dolliscrawford280]

Phones should be locked in a locker in the classroom or office and every classroom should have a landline on the teacher's desk.

[@Tekrow]

wrong

[@dolliscrawford280]

@@Tekrow why

[@JustAPersonalUseBarb]

If I didn't have my phone in school then I would have been 500 times more bored than I already was. Maybe some kids would benefit from it, but middle and high school were and are very simple for kids that have a proper support network (or are smart on their own). Finishing class work early is very normal and you can't just talk to your friends afterwards if the teacher is expecting you to be quiet for others to focus

[@robertawalsh2995]

This sounds less like a need for phones and more like teachers who aren't giving students enough work to do.

[@prof.jezebel]

My generation read books in school when finished classwork. Had read much of the canon by graduation and excelled in university. What did tiktok and twitter teach you?Just saying.

[@millrace32]

​@@prof.jezebelcombining your points, shouldn't it be a priority for us to teach young people that part of becoming a functioning adult in the modern world is being able to control interaction with technology - rather than being controlled by it

[@dolliscrawford280]

50 years ago my teacher had a solution for board students that got their work done early. She gave them more challenging papers to fill out, books to read at a higher level, opportunities to help tutor slower kids, and chores if they wanted. We all wanted to be able to stay after school and help.

[@millrace32]

@@dolliscrawford280that was detention

[@NickGorton]

One exception: kids who control medical devices or have disability accommodations requiring their cellphone. For example insulin pumps, CGMs, hearing and vision impaired kids.

[@MaryFRice]

These people haven’t been in schools lately. Personnel are profoundly unhelpful at giving messages to kids or providing information and structures for helping people find their children. Also they are incredulous when kids ask them for comfort or emotional support of any kind so they go to friends and parents on the phone. I’m fine with phone free schools but people who work in schools have to take responsibility back that they offloaded to parents via phone.

[@lizcunningham1321]

For tobacco harms, it was Insurance Companies that made the difference in the end with Govt take-up of Regulation. It was the cost / money driven in the end. For social media harms, because so little is spent on direct mental health care around the world, the govt regulation won't happen the same way. It's the indirect cost to society (calculated by insurance bean counters) that will eventually make a difference. Don't hold your breath. It's going to take a while before the recognised cost reaches actual intervention level.

[@misterderp4566]

If I may, as a smoker for 25+ years, the warning labels never affected me at all. It was too late, I was/am addicted, I still enjoy it, etc. Slapping a warning label on social media now won't do much to change the behaviour of most young people who are already as on their phones as hardcore as someone like, say, Jon. That said, I don't encounter young smokers very often (hardly ever), so perhaps some of that pushback works on kids who aren't already too deep in to swim back to shore. THAT said, I don't think we can realistically predict what the cultural and technological landscape will be 20 years from now, so the warning label thing seems like blue on black. Don't get me wrong, I actively reject social media (never been a Facebook user; commenting on KZbin videos is basically as far as I go). I just caution against seeing something like warning labels as that big of a win (even as y'all are being rational about it -- this is meant as a broader statement).

[@ShanthaBunyan]

Charlie can also look at picture books or the ones you read to him at night. He can do the easy puzzles with cutout shapes. Or play with figures or toys or cars. Lots to do, Jon!

[@kevinodell1502]

It’s named THX 1138.

[@whysoserious8666]

And I thought that was the Stormtrooper that Luke knocked out and took his armor😅

[@jorgepacheco9845]

Trump The Dump will win unless you vote. PLEASE VOTE!!!

[@audreywellham2413]

🙏🏻🇺🇸⚖️💙🗽🩺🗳️❕

[@nancychandler3673]

We are 💙

[@wynnefox]

This is the future the Jetsons and the Flintstones warned us of. George was the ultimate deskilled labor that benifited from it. He came in each day, hit the button to start the machines. Got yelled at by his boss. Then go home to his family. Meanwhile, below the smog cloud, you have the Flintstones no longer benifiting in anything or technology, living in a neo-stone-age. Mutated super humans that can push cars with their feet, break rock with their heads, and survive in highly poluted enviroments with mutated talking animals they enslaved along with animals that escaped from the Jurassic dinosaur parks up above.

[@jonevansauthor]

This doesnt' appear to be an interview with Vivek Murthy?

[@VirginiaBronson]

It isn’t, and they didn’t imply it would be.

[@zoebrooks4068]

⁠​⁠@@VirginiaBronson The chapter is mistakenly labeled “Vivek Murthy interview.”

[@VirginiaBronson]

@@zoebrooks4068 ah, I didn’t see that, but I believe you. The description says they’re interviewing Brian, which is what I was referencing.

[@vkpsych]

My concern about banning phones in school is how the violation of the rule is going to impact suspension and expulsion rates, especially towards groups that already have higher rates of punitive experiences with school.

[@MayorMcC666]

so fun to listen to you self flaggelate for 15 minutes when talking about the intercept! very fun!

[@ThadWilson]

Love the show, super fascinating!! P.s. Check your chapter titles, I don't think Brian Merchant is friend of the pod Vivek Murthy. 😅

[@candiceleerobey8360]

The chapter titles are created by KZbin AI . You just proved a valid point of the episode.

[@jasonericson]

Brian is a wonderful guest!

[@audreywellham2413]

Agree. He’s really thoughtful and provocative as well. His healthcare industry’s viewpoint was spot on. 🙏🏻💙

[@jessicamarcus5158]

Kids may need phones for after school. There are so many that have to go somewhere else and don't go right home. But agree, they don't need them during the school day.

[@dolliscrawford280]

When do you turn the television on after you get home? Colored pencils and crayons and picture books. TV is not interactive and dulls the mind. Musical instruments. Songs are good but similar to television. Consider a cheap digital camera and time in a fenced in back yard.

[@utz2867]

This is how capitalism innovates, surveillance, new ways to get your money, new ways to cut costs, new ways to make the worker's lives miserable

[@krissyhimes9357]

Hi John and Max 👋👋👋

[@timeslip8246]

So since the 70s. Automation has not benefited workers. And the myth of machines increasing workers. Has carried on from when it was true, from the industrial revolution...

[@keithkempster5838]

16:16 Jon! Charlie can play with building blocks or duplos or lincoln logs. There are hundreds of offline activities that children can participate in when allowed to just play.

[@disastrousemouse]

The only way this will ever change is if the working class becomes the ruling class. There is no other solution. If “the robots are doing too much of the work” is a problem, the problem is the economic system, not the robots.

[@natbarmore]

The _only_ concern I have about the NY law is that it might effectively ban _all_ algorithmic feeds. When your access to information is controlled by social media companies whose priority is engagement, not information, accuracy, helpfulness, or anything else useful to the user, it’s clearly bad. But there’s too much info currently for anyone to keep up on anything but the narrowest of topics, so _user-controlled_ algorithms are an obvious solution. I _want_ to be able to create a news feed that proactively finds content that meets my criteria, like “reliable source”, “text better than audio better than video”, {list of topics}, “weight higher if friends have read it”, “weight even higher if friends have recommended it”. And then I want, as the user, to be able to decide whether I want things shown to me in chronological, reverse-chronological, importance, or some other order. Filter that news feed by source and topic. Autotag with keywords to help with sorting/filtering. Put machine learning and LLMs to work to _help_ people instead of market to them. Obviously, there’s a lot more that needs to change to make that possible, and almost nobody has even been _trying_ to make that happen. But the point is that algorithms to filter and sort information aren’t bad; algorithms controlled by others with selfish or malicious intent are bad; black-box algorithms are bad; algorithms the users can’t see and vet the criteria of are bad.

[@audreywellham2413]

Wow. Thank you for taking the time to write. I read it. Extremely thoughtful insights. 🙏🏻💙

[@LaRomana59]

Excellent point!!

[@ryanbedford2985]

Great points on AI's impact on the value of creative work. But technology has been impacting that value for a generation now. Faster and cheaper is not better.

[@LaRomana59]

When I worked in video production, we always said to the higher ups: fast, cheap, good... you can only pick two.

[@qynoi42]

Improvements in technologies are a big argument for universal basic income. That way the benefit is spread amongst all of us. We'd need to get past the idea of "earning our keep" and towards everyone having inherent value. I don't see that happening any time soon. Not within my lifetime anyway but hopefully we can nudge things towards less overall suffering.

[@j-who9310]

God bless y’all

[@jerbyjerb5672]

Smells like fresh comments

[@karennielsen9248]

Really interesting and informative discussion!

[@kernelpickle]

Warning labels on social media are probably a solid idea. Unlike cigarettes, the crippling depression and anxiety someone can feel from using social media can kill someone within a much shorter span of time-because suicide is very fucking real. I’m not saying social media is definitively the reason lots of people killed themselves, but you can’t prove it doesn’t and when someone being cyber bullied jumps off a bridge or in front of a train, is it something we should really ignore? I know how brutal the loss of someone to suicide can be, and I wouldn’t wish that amount of pain on anyone. If this measure saved one person, it’s worth it. As a social media user it won’t impact your life (until it does) and I could not give less of a fuck about putting any additional financial burden on Meta or Twitter being so irresponsible and intentional with what their algorithms are doing. I think requiring chronological feeds is a good idea, and prioritizing people you are actually connected with. I would also put a limit on the number of short form videos someone under a certain age is allowed to watch per day. Adults could be forced to watch an un-skippable PSA that takes several minutes, just to stop them from short circuiting their brains for several minutes an hour. They could be about how fake people are, how bad it is for their mental health and how it's the reason almost half the damn Boomers are intolerably intolerant Trump voters. Also, let's not forget the fact that we have map data to identify the locations of schools, and it would be absolutely trivial to enforce geofencing that prevents kids from doing anything on their phones that isn't calling 911 because there's an active shooter or text message their parents. Super simple, because they can absolutely do that, because their ad platforms are literally built to do exactly that. It's no coincidence that Waze will show you ads for places that you are close to, and the government could easily enforce this. Adults working in schools could be required to go through a verification process to opt out of the geofencing, and/or parents could be required to register their child's device as a device used by a child. It could be lifted for after school hours, but that's not hard to lift the geofence between the hours of 4 PM to 7 AM.

[@camillealsup6293]

Such an informative episode. The Luddite principles were so prescient for what we are seeing with AI. Excellent interview.

[@prof.jezebel]

Very informative! Thank you!

[@helenhoagland5775]

Take care❤️

[@jodie3339]

Really great conversation around AI. I’m a CMO of a small brand and we use AI to help generate ideas or get emails started. But I have yet to find an AI that does as good of a job as our humans. I’ve yet to take anything generated by AI wholesale. It always needs a skilled person to take the idea further or fine tune the creative output. It’s a helpful tool but not anywhere near ready to take over anyone’s job. Plus you still need to have someone to give it good prompts. Not to say it won’t get better in years to come, I’m sure it will. But for right now it’s just not a game changer. Thankfully 😂

[@chrissy7545]

My fav of ur guys stuff🎉😂❤

[@ameliablack4613]

Why do age restrictions online need to be more difficult than movie ratings?

[@dross24MA]

Jon, et al, do you think you could come up with more colorful and interesting descriptors than any version of the f -bomb? It would be really refreshing!

[@janpesek4862]

IIt is sad that the worst case scenario described in the interview is the place where we are heading to. Companies employ AI and immediately cut people even before outcomes can be veriefied. I dread the Day when I go visit a doctor and end up talking to a microphone attached to a computer screen...

[@lawstsoul]

Regarding AI art, yes, it's going to be highly disruptive. In my own lifetime I saw both Photoshop and digital photography caused massive disruption, especially the latter. It took about 3 years for nearly all small businesses attached to photography to disappear. A couple of the large ones managed to piviot but not without being severely diminished. Also in both cases, companies made the mistake of thinking the cool new tools could replace artists and photographers. What ended up happening was artists and photographers learned to use the tools and companies realised they still needed someone with creative skills to produce the work. With AI, the people producing the best pieces are all artists and photographers who have an extensive art vocabulary. The jobs will be there once the hype phase is done but it's going to look different. Creatives who were early adopters will be the first in line to become AI whisperers.

[@TheAserghui]

Regarding the warning labels on cigarettes: the smokers know. Before I started my quitting journey, people would periodically remind me that cigarettes are killing me. My response was simple, "I know. Death is inevitable, and I'll welcome it sooner." Cigarettes were my antistress mechanism. Why am I quitting? Because I am trying to build self-worth because a couple people saw value in me, while I work in an environment of people who want to tear you down if they don't like you

[@ringohuge370]

Don’t give them the ammo - if you work with those people they see you as a weak drug addict (smoker). After you quit , they can’t judge you for that. Good Luck!

[@Falla__]

"Well we don't have to pay this guy 70k a year, we can just go for a 'AI subscription' and then hire someone on contract to check the output" -- This is exactly what happened to me. Shit sucks and we need to have regulations around AI, but the genie is out of the bottle and our law makers are too old and slow to do anything about it.

[@candiceleerobey8360]

I almost didn’t watch this episode based on the title, but I’m glad I did. There isn’t much Trump wouldn’t be worse at, especially when it comes to regulation, but this interview was so much more interesting and informative than I expected, especially as I’m job-hunting. I work in human services, a field that cannot be ethically replaced by AI, yet I was laid off because our county has a huge budget shortfall and the human side is beginning to be seen as less cost-effective.

[@thedahkterizzin8831]

Well fewer people smoke now than previously. I think warning labels came at the end of a generation of anti smoking education, but they helped. Useful with AI when so many millions are already addicted?

[@monicagakdut6521]

I appreciate what the company do training room with same body has agood ideas to the people to understand their job

[@LesSand75]

Why didn’t tuck the cables in the other side of the table, guys?? 😩 Guests could put up with the rubbing in a bit, or you could have secured them 😅😅

[@anagee-oi2gn]

I want my kid to ALWAYS have a phone in case of emergency (active shooter, traffic accident, etc). It does not have to be a smart phone, just a communication device. I'd be ok with blocking certain functions during school hours

[@Monti-Nakjem]

AI in the case of photography has been an interesting experience for me. In the film days I used, then rejected, digital cameras in the beginning. Film was better at capturing the image. Instead I scanned the film with a high quality film scanner. This saved me a lot of time in the darkroom. Also touch up was exponentially faster and more accurate. Back then a professor at MICA suggested I would like to take the digital photography course. What was being done looked forced and artificial and I declined. Today I find what AI is good for is still the same technique. AI improves my technical tasks, but creating from scratch a creative image is still a forced and artificial looking result. I think this will be the experience for other disciplines. As a programmer I laugh at the, "AI will replace programmers" narrative. It's mediocre at best. It can help on more mundane tasks or sometimes point you in a direction when your stuck, but if you can't write good code yourself it won't make up for that. great show, btw

[@simstephen]

48:00 this point of ethical use of AI absolutely replaces human labor and expertise And I’m glad the guest called that out even somewhat gently and tangentially The intellectual labor of understanding arguments and of contextualization is also human labor

[@monicagakdut6521]

And if you working and you see something wrong just tell them in the same time but don't be afraid

[@robinleypoldt8373]

Really good conversation

[@michaelwalker6503]

Like the warning on the Paul McAfee show

[@chrisohlsen8078]

I’m excited to receive mine.😁

[@malkneil]

Since we're privatizing the health care system, AI will always be used to cut costs (jobs)

[@connect1affect711]

The chapter heading says Vivek Murthy interview

[@christinaheater2500]

Excellent discussion, especially on AI.

[@jennkellie7341]

Could we come at age verification from a different angle? Instead of having each website or app having to set up their own system and giving that information to third parties, what if we had our verification info set into our devices. Insta, for example, would send a request to verify that the user of the device was over 15 and the device would ping back with a yes or a no. Then actual birth info would not have to be shared or sent each time.

[@notyou8397]

47: ish Like before graphic designers, painters, now ai prompters.

[@MamaJanella]

I'm trying really hard to concentrate on what is being said but I can't. Whyyyy did you switch seats??

[@allancarey2604]

Jon, I can highly recommend Bluey for Charlie :)

[@allancarey2604]

And parents love it as well *smiles*

[@dlcs1406]

You're a good Dad Jon!

[@WarrenSure]

Definitely feels like a Luddite's approach to AI. Doesnt feel like these guys have ever been in corporate management and how they think about technology.

[@jennycooper333]

Invention is the mother of necessity - Thorsten Veblen Theory of Social Change

[@neuthyphro]

The Call Center AI sound like Pavlovian conditioning to hate your family

[@korteksvisceralzen2694]

We should not take kids phones away parents should be able to reach their kids immediately whenever they want. The compromise is to make sure that they're in airplane mode

[@whoscares]

Love offline ❤

[@trisht-k-ee9eg]

Jon Favreau… Your child should not have a screen during his quiet time in his room!!! He needs to learn how to entertain himself WITHOUT the passivity of screen time. Think about it!!!

[@trisht-k-ee9eg]

“At least he’s not scrolling… What do you think kids did BEFORE there were smart phones? Ask any pre-K or kindergarten teacher whether there is any benefit to be had from allowing young kids to have screen time. Kids of any age should have their screen time limited!

[@monicagakdut6521]

To people working in this difficult time it's hard but be you and do you

[@colinskelding8959]

Make buying a smartphone age restricted to 18 years old.

[@keithkempster5838]

Parents have abdicated their responsibility as parents to the social media companies. Most parents shouldn't be on social media, either. The internet should be a public utility. If a company won't dedicate the resources to monitor content to remove harmful content quickly, they should be banned.

[@monicagakdut6521]

Yes they are addicted to the phone and not paying attention to the teachers in classroom keep the phone in the house and parents gonna have control

[@celebratelife8436]

What else is a baby gonna do for an hour without looking at a screen? that's a very interesting and valid question but that's where a lot of parents are making the mistake of assuming that their kids are going to be better off in front of a screen. We must not underestimate the power of not doing or what we may believe could be boredom because humans are not designed to be In front of a screen from birth perhaps refraining babies from watching a screen for an hour is far more beneficial than having them watch Peppa pig or Cartoons on a screen. How about Putting some silicone or wooden blocks in front of them or anything else that can help Develop their fine motor skills?

[@richietattersall2122]

Kids with their phones in school? They don't need to actually LEARN about the history of this Country, they can just pull it up on their phones. Is all service blocked while they are taking tests? It should be.

[@dross24MA]

The ability to look it up is not the same as KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING history, and the importance of appreciating the impact and the potential for repetition of history.

[@eliafuimaono94]

Did you use AI to write the video description 😅

[@AdamCarbone1]

Need to address using Social media ( snap, instagram, etc... ) as a means to communicate organization related ( sports teams, clubs, theatre, etc.. ) updates ( practice updates, game updates... )

[@Drhorrible89]

Dude, who f'd up the crooked media interview process... This guy is an actual progressive

[@pattilunsford492]

Get my box of magnetic blocks and many many books before they banned them all

[@madestmadhatter]

To be fair, AI art does not all look awful, much if it actually looks fairly good, their certainly are more than few common flaws among them, like odd eyes, or hands, just so many hands... BUT! The main issue isn't it looking bad it's it all looking very samey, in fact I can often identify not just the artist but the piece they're all based on, and when they all look the same they suffer a degradation of value, especially when paired with the bad ones.