Tonya Harding says she "tried to be pretty" but was also interested in the pop culture of the time.
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@MsNooneinparticular6 жыл бұрын
Her abusive mom gets NO credit for Tonya's talents & achievements in my eyes. Putting people down is not motivational. It's like calling someone a fat slob to "motivate" them to exercise. Ain't happening.
@alexandradonnelly69046 жыл бұрын
100% agreed.
@laela62895 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of people who don't realize this... I remember an ex-friend telling me that its ok to berate others if you're offering it as a means of "improvement". Be it, the dude was a really depressed and grew up being beat on and put down all the time... so I guess that skews with your perception of love and support. :/
@HK-gm8pe5 жыл бұрын
and is this like normal in america that you want certain "type" of skater in the spotlight? her country tryied to make her something that she was not! In my country we dont have a lot of amazing skaters but I have not seen anybody treated like that, She was amazing at what she did and I think that thats the thing that matters, I know how they portrayed Nancy as a ice princess and Tonya as a crazy villain only because Nancy fitted more into their "type" of skater (it was before the attack)
@charlotte75725 жыл бұрын
exactly. Tough/strict is completely different from abusive
@TashaahsaT5 жыл бұрын
exactly
@dhenry19766 жыл бұрын
The mom probably treated the parrot better than her daughter
@Emptiness5126 жыл бұрын
Sad but true..The mother could not clearly see her daughter, because she was incapable of seeing her own Self. She couldn't because she was incapable of giving unconditional love. I am sure how she treated her daughter was in fact how the mother was treated as a young person herself by her own mother
@rainbowkitty56556 жыл бұрын
yeah. most likely.
@quantumskittles6 жыл бұрын
How did she get to do skating if her mum hated her ?
@gisazurnieden90586 жыл бұрын
human girl: I think LaVona loved the idea of making a star out of Tonya, maybe as a "ticket out of the gutter" ( as Diane rwlinson put it) for both of them. But i think she didn't love Tonya herself. Maybe she couldn't for some reason, but Tonya would have needed love and nothing justifies abuse.
@quantumskittles6 жыл бұрын
@@gisazurnieden9058 guess itd be hard to love someone that shuns u on tv
@samshM6 жыл бұрын
The 15yr old Tonya would have been a favourite among youngsters these days..all those badass boldness, that straightforwardness.. everything that is considered "empowering" nowadays..I like her too..she is being herself. Doesn't need to fit in. 90s were a very backward and judgmental era.
@starcherry68145 жыл бұрын
She WAS a favourite back then too! She had so many supporters coming out to see her, signs spelling out "you're a bad ass!" Young girls begging for her autograph and calling her a hero for all women. She did make history after all. It's just the judges that hated her
@bordeauxhouse5 жыл бұрын
Someone should have reported child abuse and assisted Tonya getting emancipated.
@gisazurnieden90585 жыл бұрын
@@bordeauxhouse Sandra Luckow (the Woman who made "Sharp Edges") wanted to go to CPS but was told to stay out of it because it would ruin Tonya's Skating Career if she would been taken out of her Family. But yes, her well-being should have been more important and someone should have helped her in an effective way.
@roedoresdeoliveira5 жыл бұрын
That badass attitude and strong personality is exactly what makes Adam Rippon more than just a figure skating today. I think she would have such and easier time nowadays too
@Nefariousaa4 жыл бұрын
@@starcherry6814 your comment makes me happy. I wish I was alive during that time to have been a live supporter of her. fuck those judges ✌
@coccinelle806 жыл бұрын
So the child protective services failed yet another child
@Openreality6 жыл бұрын
If this was ever true. It's hard to find anything honest about her after what she did to Nancy. Just because she had a momager doesn't justify anything at all. I don't buy how they're trying to give sympathy to a mobster. That doesn't justify her actions and get getting banned from all competitive ice skating.
@gisazurnieden90586 жыл бұрын
*sigh*… it IS true. There are many witnesses for the abuse (beating tonya with a hairbrush, shoving her down the stairs, slapping her off a Chair, denying her bathroom breaks while practicing (resulting in embarrassing public "accidents" on the ice) constantly yelling at her and putting her down). Her mother wasn't just a "momager" but an abuser. And this isn't About excuses, but About explanations anyway. But in my opinion there are TWO victims in this whole Story. Nancy, of Course, but also Tonya. Not everything is black and White.
@AMD11145 жыл бұрын
@@Openreality her older Sister ran away to become a hooker at he age of 14 because life on the streets was a better like then life with Mother! Her older Brother ended up in foster care, Many witnessed the abuse of Tonya and did nothing.
@alysiamerdavid-wasser91655 жыл бұрын
@OP: CPS didn't get involved bc they weren't Even CALLED bc of the "Little Girls in Pretty Boxes" Syndrome of Not killing the golden goose. (At least that's what I* heard the woman say.) EDIT: Yeah, @ 2:34 the woman says "she was *going* to CPS & was *told(?)* that she should stay out of it..bc it would ruin Tonya's career." ✌
@mindyirwin8005 жыл бұрын
I wish tayon had Facebook
@RafaelGomar6 жыл бұрын
Ironically, now in 2018 the boyish actitutte of Tonya would be considered 'Cool'
@jadahoizer96685 жыл бұрын
Rafael Gomar Damn, she was born in the wrong time.
@m3lodr4matic5 жыл бұрын
It's not a "boyish" attitude .... She is strong. She has a strong and powerful attitude. Sad that you connect being strong with being a man.
@26Marila4 жыл бұрын
She was strong fortunately. I appreciate her attitude and soul!
@lazyriver534 жыл бұрын
Not really, she has a crappy attitude to this day
@manonty24174 жыл бұрын
@@jadahoizer9668 she was born ahead of her time, like most great talents!...
@juliepurcell74846 жыл бұрын
Diane should of taken custody of her!
@AMD11145 жыл бұрын
Thant would have been good, I m sure Tonya would have had a better life, better food better routine but maybe she had kids of her own, Maybe her husband didn't want a strange kid in the house, Maybe she would have had rules that she knew Tonya would rebel against and she didn't want the stress.
@jadahoizer96685 жыл бұрын
Well it's too late now.
@Nefariousaa4 жыл бұрын
Too late to speculate definitely, but I guarantee Tonya's life would have gone completely upwards from there. :( I hope anyone going through the same thing as Tonya today has a support system like Diane was for her.
@ryanmcgregor24094 жыл бұрын
Once she was dating Jeff she was doomed
@mitraavesta75484 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about it too
@JaneDoe-em7zi6 жыл бұрын
I love that Margot Robbie sees right through her hardened exterior and knows she was just trying to protect herself from her mom, and others. She sees that she's an abused child. That's how an abused child adapts and survives. They either become timid and allow themselves to be victimized, or they get tough with their circumstances and learn to survive.
@gisazurnieden90586 жыл бұрын
100% agreed. To me, it was clear as daylight that her saying "what a bitch!" was meant to appear cool although she was deeply hurt. There are two Videos here on YT (the "60 minutes"-Interview and the interview with LaVona and Connie Chung) where you can watch the whole phone call Scene and what she tells About it afterwards and in the end you hear in her voice that she might cry any Moment. The Problem for those abused Children who get tough as a Survival strategy is that many People only see the tough side and don't believe them that they are abused because they are not the "perfect (sweet timid) victim". I made this experience as a child and later as a teenager myself...
@rhaenyralikesyoutube62893 жыл бұрын
100% agree.
@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Жыл бұрын
@@gisazurnieden9058 how about stop using degrading term ''sweet victim'', they are also often not believed and ridiculed and ostracized. People can be tough in different ways, show empathy for other victims as well. they don't get it better than you.
@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Жыл бұрын
Jane What a narrow-minded and shallow assessment. Do you put labels on everything that easily, hon? There is so much more on a spectrum than those two extremes. In fact, one person can be BOTH, he/she can be tough in one type of circumstance yet ''timid'' or ''victimized'' in another. Take even Tonya, she was ''tough'' to outsiders' view - but she was victimized by her husband and kept coming back to him. So even she was both at one point in her life. Also, descriving people as ''allowing to be victimized'' is the ultimate form of victim-shaming. NOONE ''allows'' that, people just get caught into cycle of abuse because they don't know that it does not have to be like that. So your categorization is stupid and cruel. Also, Margot did not see through anyone lmao, it was obvious, she didn't make some grand discovery...
@JaneDoe-em7zi Жыл бұрын
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 wow- you obviously need a long, intensive round of therapy. Nothing that I said was about victim blaming you missed the point of that entirely you obviously have issues of your own that you need to deal with. Don't project your b******* onto me and keep your crappy ass comments to yourself you don't know me or have any idea what kind of crap I've gone through in my life. Eat a bowl of dicks!! 🖕🏽
@marielwom47656 жыл бұрын
Tonya was definitely ahead of her time lmao, love her
@jojox97916 жыл бұрын
Maria lwom really? How can you love her after that she did? She knew damn well. She planned it
@marielwom47656 жыл бұрын
AmericanPrincess 2000 and how exactly do you know that? You don't. You choose to not believe her, fine. I choose to not believe anything the media has said about her and only believe her word. Make your best judgement, I don't think she ever knew. None of this would have happen if she never met Jeff
@jojox97916 жыл бұрын
Maria lwom because I remember it clearly. There is no way she didn't know. And now, all these years later to say "oh, well I overheard them saying let's do this to xx". Nope. Not buying it. She wad a cocky bitch and she KNEW! AND STILL NEVER EVEN APOLOGIZED. IF SHE WASNT GUILTY SHE WOULD JAVE APOLOGIZED ON BEHALF OF HER HUSBAND. AT LEAST ANY DECENT HUMAN WOULD
@marielwom47656 жыл бұрын
AmericanPrincess 2000 Why do you get triggered? I have my own belief and that I am obligated to. Stop trying to hit me with "facts" when the fact of the matter is that none of us know exactly what happen. It's just all about judgement
@imwaytoshort6 жыл бұрын
Maria lwom Tonya knew what was going to happen. The only person who would benefit from it happening is her. If you want to like her that's fine. But she is guilty. I feel bad for her having a bad childhood but seriously that's not an excuse. Tonya is a certain way because her mother is the same way. The facts are she admitted she heard something and never said anything or said don't.
@mifnp88876 жыл бұрын
Amy: "Tell me about the first time you met Jeff." Tonya: "Really?" Priceless!
@danceballetacro6 жыл бұрын
So down to earth
@ZoeF.O6 жыл бұрын
"Really? You haven't heard the story?" "I want you to tell it" Tonya: "Oh, brother!"
@ineedmoresleep37286 жыл бұрын
People keep saying that “Nancy was blue collar too”, are you kidding me??? Nancy lived in a house while Tonya lived in a trailer. And the important thing is that before the age of 25, good parenting makes all the difference. Nancy had seemingly normal parents while Tonyas mom was terrible
@Openreality6 жыл бұрын
That's the story they want you to believe. You fail to remember that she organized the entire attack on Nancy Kerrigan and got away with a small on the wrist. I wouldn't trust anything she wants you to believe even a fabricated story she made while she was in college even though the film shows that she's not even old enough to graduate. They're are more holes in this story than a pack of swiss cheese from your local grocer.
@gisazurnieden90586 жыл бұрын
If she really had been the mastermind behind the attack, they would have charged her for that, not only for hindering the investigations afterwards. Also she certainly didn't get away with a slap on the wrist. Maybe she didn't actually serve jail time, but being banned for life from competitional Skating and Coaching must have felt like a life sentence to Tonya. Don't get me wrong, the attack on Nancy Kerrigan should never have happened. But that ife-long ban was totally uncalled for. And Tonya's mother WAS terrible. There are witnesses for the abuse. (This is not About excuses, but About explanations, e.g.about how Tonya could have fallen for a creep like Jeff Gillooly who was the first guy and probably the first Person who called her pretty. Obviously nobody before him has called her pretty, which I think is terribly sad. Because she was.)
@juliannah57214 жыл бұрын
Well... Nancy's brother killed their father. You don't know. Only they do.
@janetdishler30394 жыл бұрын
Just because someone lives in a mobile home,doesn't make them less than someone in a regular house,it's how you are raised. Tonya would have endured the same treatment. I get angry with the term trailor trash. I didn't grow up in one but I do live in one now. Guess what,my mortgage is paid off,we.own the land it's on and we aren't trash!
@MaximusWolfe Жыл бұрын
That somehow justifies having foreknowledge of an unprovoked attack that could have maimed a fellow competitor and failed to tell the cops about Goolihy after the attack happened. That puts her squarely in the shithead column.
@pittie5656 жыл бұрын
wow, my mom and tonyas mom should go bowling theyd be best of friends.
@wunib6 жыл бұрын
same here!
@soledadlopez46986 жыл бұрын
samee lol
@artemis_liz70966 жыл бұрын
Is everything okay at home?💛
@miriam38486 жыл бұрын
Damn, we've got ourselves a club here...
@kef1035 жыл бұрын
Tonya and Christina Crawford could have been best friends.
@ladedalounge6 жыл бұрын
If they took her away from her mother, she may have won the gold and Nancy would not have had to ordeal such a tragedy. I believe Tonya, you can see it in her eyes. Her hard exterior. Sad,but she paid the price for her poor decisions which she is responsible for but seriously, no need to hate on her.
@Thew0rm4 жыл бұрын
Wait, I’m sorry I’m a little confused because everyone is saying different things and I don’t know which one is right, but did they ever end up finding out if Tanya was in on the attack or no?
@atiqahdiyana56654 жыл бұрын
Kawaii Kiwi facts are, there’s never been any definitive proof that tonya was in on the attack. At least not enough to prosecute her with the same charges her husband got. She knew something was going on and might have so far as to know what was going to happen. But she wasn’t in on it or part of it. I think it didn’t really occur to her that it would be anything too serious Her not coming forward to report her suspicion was definitely wrong but I personally don’t think the punishment fit the crime. Especially since Nancy herself went back to skating fine enough while Tonya was banned completely. And for people to judge her so harshly was completely disproportionate to the crime. It’s like she says in an interview, America wants someone to love but they also want someone to hate. It didn’t help that the media was milking the heck out off the story. Painting Tonya as culpable to what happened to “innocent darling Nancy”. Even now, documentaries will still milk the heck out off the story but I’d take them all with a grain of salt. They all start the story already with the conclusion they want you to have in mind and the facts they give you will lean towards it. Whether it’s fair or not
@Thew0rm4 жыл бұрын
Atiqah Diyana thank you for clearing that up, and I just want to say how I love that you backed up your statement with both sides and actual facts rather than attacking me into your opinion like others would have done, thank you.
@lindseyhavniear45486 жыл бұрын
Very sad. Abuse is never acceptable
@jojox97916 жыл бұрын
Lindsey Pearson right... Just like the abuse/attack Nancy endured that Tonya was well aware and planned
@janetdishler30394 жыл бұрын
I find it offensive to say that because she lived in a trailer,that made her trash.
@kathleensmith35366 жыл бұрын
It is typical in dysfunctional families for parents to put down their children -- I am sure Tonya's grandmother put down her mother in the same way. The key is to recognize the dysfunction and to break the cycle.
@TwoWholeWorms5 жыл бұрын
Fortunately for Tonya's son, she managed to do so.
@heloisaalmeida12432 жыл бұрын
actually lavona once said that her mother was a "nice mother" and she wanted to have a tough mother, as tough as she was with Tonya, as herself in conclusion? she is toxic and f#c_king narcissistic
@yourasianprincess6 жыл бұрын
Okay... Her mom is almost exactly like my mom. Mothers can be abusive to their children too and people need to know and understand that. I'm damaged as fuck because of how my mother treated me growing up.
@rokguitarstar6 жыл бұрын
I hope that you've been able to rise above it
@audrisaline2.0986 жыл бұрын
madbubblegum I feel this on a strong level.
@carlam.32546 жыл бұрын
Forgive. It does the mind, heart and soul good. Then push on. I know this from experience.
@moni24156 жыл бұрын
Carla Muldrow If it was good for you it doesn't mean it's good for everybody.
@rhaenyralikesyoutube62893 жыл бұрын
Same. My mother never physically abusive, but she gaslighted, and made me feel as less than I was all the time. It took a long time to get over that, honestly.
@suredeydo4 жыл бұрын
"Did she ever apologize?" 😂😂😂 Obviously she's never heard of a narcissistic abuser before.
@yvonneshanson15254 жыл бұрын
K K 👌🤭😊
@ravenel24 жыл бұрын
That went through my head as well.
@addefied6 жыл бұрын
"He had a job" . Love her
@savannahvick52665 жыл бұрын
I can relate to Tonya so much. Some say she has a weird personality and brushes things off but that’s what you have to do. You have to find the humor out of it or brush it off or it’ll crush you.
@ylekiote999996 жыл бұрын
Forget about the family life and controversy. Bottom line is that this girl was one of the most elite athletes in the world at her chosen sport. And she did it all in spite of everything. Truly one of the greats!
@MaximusWolfe Жыл бұрын
It’s also a fact that she had foreknowledge of the attack and after the attack did nothing to inform the cops.
@valmacclinchy Жыл бұрын
@@MaximusWolfeno it's not.
@MaximusWolfe Жыл бұрын
@@valmacclinchy Yes it is. She said so in an interview. She overheard her boyfriend talking about it.
@valmacclinchy Жыл бұрын
@@MaximusWolfe what's the name of the interview where she says she heard her boyfriend talking about his plan, before the attack by the bodyguard? Because she pleaded guilty to knowing after the fact, not before..big difference.
@MaximusWolfe Жыл бұрын
@@valmacclinchy Look it up. It was a fairly recent admission.
@cortezyvonne5 жыл бұрын
Tonya was born in the wrong era. The way athletes are now at that age she would be very famous. Original. Blunt. Unapologetically herself. She woulda been a hit. She didnt want to fit the regular mold came ,from a rough background. Smh they gave her such a hard time for being "normal" "tomboy". Literally a victim of the times.
@4Mr.Crowley26 жыл бұрын
Uh, that mother. I feel bad for that poor bird on her shoulder.
@Openreality6 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you buy an account from a dishonest person.
@gisazurnieden90585 жыл бұрын
@@Openreality Just because Tonya lied in some aspects, that DOESN'T mean that she's Always lying. There are many witnesses to prove that her mother was horrible and very abusive to her.
@anao72495 жыл бұрын
this makes me so thankful for my mom
@userh83235 жыл бұрын
She would've been an icon in our generation.
@stevenmckee61343 жыл бұрын
She's always battled against the odds and been the best. A fighter her whole life and a champion that the world decided to crucify. I'm proud of Tonya. As tough as they come
@ComedyLoverGirl6 жыл бұрын
5:22 WTF is that growling lol. Poor Tonya has this woman for a mother...
@whiteeaglewarrior4 жыл бұрын
The problem wasnt Tonya with her unique style, it was the skating circle pushing the disney ice princess on girls instead of just allowing them to express themselves as who they are. Tonya is so refreshing to me, she was a skater ahead of her time....and like all women ahead of her time, it cost her, and anothers, career
@Inessence44 жыл бұрын
WeAreAllNeo luckily for Nancy, she wasn’t injured too badly and recovered her career nicely.
@whiteeaglewarrior4 жыл бұрын
@@Inessence4 Indeed, and became a millionaire from it (so I read anyway)
@strawberries11866 жыл бұрын
I like Tonya. After taking bs her entire life she doesnt have to anymore.
@Shocke894 жыл бұрын
yet you overlook her involvement in the kerrigan assault. I'm sorry having a not so great childhood does not give you the right to try and end another persons dreams at the olympics. the whole thing is just a boohoo poor me sob story...
@cyberdoll94124 жыл бұрын
Sameee
@aurxa7994 жыл бұрын
Shocke89 Tonya didn’t do it It was her ex-boyfriend.
@truenorth79493 жыл бұрын
@@Shocke89 kerrigan ain't no angel. She just looked that way on the surface. Tonya paid her dues, yet, I love her because she's real, and not a pretentious snot like Nancy
@ashleereid36176 жыл бұрын
Her mother was horrible but so was every other adult who knew she was being abused and did nothing.
@elielis63 жыл бұрын
It's so strange to me seeing childhood abuse actually taken as the serious matter it is. Coming from a hispanic culture, this is way beyond normalized and if I were to speak up about psychological/physical abuse, I'd be the laughing stock of the group since alot of people also experienced and see nothing wrong with it.
@HeatherFaraMS Жыл бұрын
Yep, nail on head. Same for poor white rural America too…particularly back then.
@nikkimendoza2720 Жыл бұрын
So sorry it’s sad that abuse is normal in the minority culture my Vietnamese parent use to beat the hell out of me too
@Shortlady826 жыл бұрын
So her mom was like Joe Jackson
@CanadianMonarchist6 жыл бұрын
If Joe Jackson and Mrs. Harding had a baby together, that would have been scary!
@JulianneHannes6 жыл бұрын
Canadian Monarchist 1992 They'd either kill each other before that even happened or create a super spawn who murders them
@sorayacampesino7256 жыл бұрын
And most probably the most talented human being ever
@teamjesus24706 жыл бұрын
Shortlady82 wow. I JUST saw the movie today and i said THE EXACT SAME THING. Similar to JJ.
@cmcb096 жыл бұрын
A Caucasian version with no money.
@gusteree5 жыл бұрын
She is lovely! for the way her life was, she could've turned out worse but she performed to make others smile
@vorenus133006 жыл бұрын
Tonya had so much talent and the only people who see that was diane, her coach. I think that why tonya love her so much. Tonya never had chance in her life. She don't deserve what happen to her
@TayronBerlanga6 жыл бұрын
One important point is that she could be a star today, a rock star with that looks and that attitude, however she got immersed in a world not suited for herself that until this time has not yet completely evolved. This doesn't justify any criminal decision she could have made but definitely gives a wider perspective about her as a person.
@selenaberry4606 жыл бұрын
“He have a job... and a car” true!!! I’m with it!!! Be honest girl.
@foxleyshop21746 жыл бұрын
"He had a job and a car".
@Shortlady826 жыл бұрын
Alexis Eshem can’t go wrong with that lol
@ComedyLoverGirl6 жыл бұрын
Those things are quite important when you're just scraping by...
@theothermother706 жыл бұрын
She looks like a older appearing, blonde, 80s version of amy adams (y)
@chichan44615 жыл бұрын
YES FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SEES THAT SHE LOOKS LIKE AMY ADAMS
@jamiejazz819411 ай бұрын
I was a skater from 1986 to 1998, and my Mom and Dad were my biggest supporters. No matter how many times I fell, how many competitions I lost (and there were many), they were my soft place to land. They gave up their free time (and spare cash) for 13 years, and were still proud of me when I failed. I wish Tonya would’ve had that kind of support. She was and still is, an incredible skater 🌸.
@breklein33386 жыл бұрын
It's pretty common for abusers to lie about abuse.
@siddharthnaagar70284 жыл бұрын
Allison Janney literally nailed LaVona Golden
@michellegordon42116 жыл бұрын
I have a lot of respect for her...those who didn't grow up with abuse have no idea what it does to your mind, your heart and your soul. Her pain is palpable.
@gisazurnieden90586 жыл бұрын
Yes, the pain is palpaple and real. I really don't understand why so many People doesn't want to believe that she was really abused, even if there are witnesses for the abuse...
@gisazurnieden90586 жыл бұрын
How can anybody say that Tonya didn't and doesn't try to rise above it? In a way she did, she finally seems to have broken the cycle of abuse. But she still feels the pain. That is (to me, at least) totally understandable. Everybody deals with Trauma in their own way. And yes, unfortunately a lot of People grew up this way (me, too). But what has this to do with the fact that many People accuse her of lying (or exaggerating) About the abuse, although there are many witnesses for it?
@sirenthomas45956 жыл бұрын
I dont blame Tonya about the dress..I remember those velvet puffy sleeves my mom used to make me wear the child version(i was lil in the 80s) LOATHED THEM.....I also wonder if she had been removed from her home couldnt she have just been given to her coaches? Especially since they could prove they would be able to take her out of poverty...I would have told anyways poor Tonya....
@AMD11146 жыл бұрын
These days the coaches would need to take a holistic approach and the abuse would have to be reported, Tonya's well being should have took priority not her skating.
@alysiamerdavid-wasser91655 жыл бұрын
"Yes. YES. *He had a JOB.* And a car." 😆😂😂😂 At least she's forthright.✌💗
@layneparker30873 жыл бұрын
If anybody's curious, Sandra Luckow's Sharp Edges documentary IS available for purchase on Amazon Prime. I'm pretty sure it's under $5, with an even cheaper option to rent.
@renatoaraujinho3 жыл бұрын
She was and always be an uncredible person...thank for all happines Tonya gave to us her friends and fans.
@EvelynRose335 жыл бұрын
Imagine how much more incredible tonya would be if she was surrounded by love and support instead of what she dealt with growing up
@karoonboomie28135 жыл бұрын
TONYA IS A HURT GAL, A LOT OF PAIN DEEP DOWN ALL KEPT IN, SHE IS NOT A BAD PERSON
@nonameinvisible93466 жыл бұрын
I don't care what she did. Time to move on and forgive. I like her .
@brady24836 жыл бұрын
Vivian Guilfucci you like abusive parents?
@gisazurnieden90586 жыл бұрын
I think she meant Tonya, not her mother?
@LyricalXilence5 жыл бұрын
This right here. Why is she stigmatized for this for 30yrs
@cerebrumexcrement3 жыл бұрын
what did she do tho? why does she need forgiving for something she did not do?
@nonameinvisible93463 жыл бұрын
@@cerebrumexcrement exactly!! If I could control what my husband do I would not be such a bitch!!
@tamlarse4 жыл бұрын
Tonya, I am 61 and I totally relate to your story.
@MikePhalin4 жыл бұрын
I truly pity Tonya. It's not an excuse for what transpired, but had she been surrounded by a truly supportive family, everything would have turned out different.
@waveofmutilatios58734 жыл бұрын
She's so pretty
@amynicole58844 жыл бұрын
I really like Tonya after watching a few of these,.
@livandjaz22214 жыл бұрын
"and then i was like oHH mY gaWd, theres a boy watching me, HI"
@ddivincenzo11944 жыл бұрын
I love her authentic '80's and '90's look. Very snazzy!
@ronrendon6 жыл бұрын
"Oh no, she wanted Levi's!" hell yeah!
@teresaluciano12543 жыл бұрын
I always thought Tonya was better than the other skaters. It meant more to her. I never realized how many awards she'd won. Her life made her tough.
@winkieblink76253 жыл бұрын
They just wanted to “educate and teach” Tonya with a more polished veneer. It was all done with the best good intentions. And, bless them for caring.
@livis19006 жыл бұрын
0:50 is that a parrot on her mom's shoulder
@coccinelle806 жыл бұрын
Danika Love yes! She probably abused the parrot too!
@zazaproductionsg44794 жыл бұрын
I think if Tonya were to skate under the new system she would have been widely successful.
@Ariel-pi6lw6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to hear her story ✌
@Openreality6 жыл бұрын
It's all fabricated by a cold hearted mobster who was banned from any competitive ice skating for life. She orchestrated the attack on Nancy Kerrigan and has yet to admit it.
@jonhenning3 жыл бұрын
I love Tonya she is so up front and no nonsense
@danceballetacro6 жыл бұрын
She is interesting
@taj82314 жыл бұрын
If all three skaters skated their best. It might have been close between Tonya and Oksana. Nancy would've come in third. Oksana was an amazing artistic skater. If Tonya skated her best she was an amazing power house. Nancy was great but just not as exciting in the ways Oksana and Tonya were. Cant go back. Am glad that Tonya has a chance at a loving family now.
@hollyjolly20663 жыл бұрын
Agreed!!
@ilseayala70316 жыл бұрын
She’s a strong woman 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
@smileypantscuppycake1224 жыл бұрын
"Oh, MY Gosh, there's a boy watching me skate! 'Hi.'"
@pennydaytreasures81734 жыл бұрын
She was actually much cuter with the short feathered hair than when they tried to “fix” her and gave her a French braid with big bangs. With the short hair she was every American 80s teenager, with the French braid she was a girl trying to hard too fit in. She didn’t need “fixing” she needed acceptance. She was failed by her coaches in that aspect. Had her coach just worked on her performance by highlighting her athletics and helped her to be more fluid I think the country still would have embraced her. Maybe not the judges but Ice skating judges are notorious for having favorites and I doubt during this time she had much of a chance at winning them over with a makeover.
@hadihatab31263 жыл бұрын
I don’t think they were trying to fix her, the big bangs or “mall fringe” as it was called was really popular in the early 90s.
@pennydaytreasures81733 жыл бұрын
@@hadihatab3126 I grew up then, yes I know it was popular. So was short hair on girls. I had both styles as a teenager in the 80s 😉 some people at that time in history didn’t like women with short hairstyles. It wasn’t as acceptable as long hair. Which is what I meant by “fixing her” so she was an all American girl. Short hair was more reserved for rocker girls, punk rock or girls with bad reputations. Girls with longer hair were looked at as sweet
@hadihatab31263 жыл бұрын
@@pennydaytreasures8173 weird you’d think with Princess Diana, short hair would have been seen as something regal and elegant and its pretty ironic since a lot of the rocker chicks had long hair with the teased bangs also.
@yasinbills84684 жыл бұрын
People say her mom was abusive, it seems every adult in the skating network were abusive as well
@MiamiPush2theLimit3 жыл бұрын
It’s easy to criticize her mother. But this woman was going through so much pain and worked so hard to support her dreams by working constantly. She is only human.
@alazjaw.8968 Жыл бұрын
oh please. stop extending sympathy to abusive parents.
@skateata14 жыл бұрын
So resilient
@MargoIndigo3 жыл бұрын
watching her mom in fur coats with jewels and exotic birds on her shoulders makes me sick. she truly had and has no shame for what she’s done to her own daughter.
@redfairy126 жыл бұрын
The shouldve called CPS!!!!!! They wouldve let her skate!!! A judge wouldve seen that. Ughhhhh
@jojox97916 жыл бұрын
redfairy12 listen carefully... They did call CPS and were told to stay out of the "family business". That's how it was back then
@redfairy126 жыл бұрын
AmericanPrincess 2000 no they didnt. The coach threatened to call CPS because they saw how tonya was being beaten. CPS didnt tell them to stay out... you misunderstood.
@jojox97916 жыл бұрын
redfairy12 yes, I did.
@WaterKreature2 жыл бұрын
My mom never apologized to me, my wife's mom never apologized to her.... Moms and dads apologizing to their sons or daughters isnt a thing... it took me a long time to figure that out about my mom... i let it go, we are good now
@emb77735 жыл бұрын
Is no one going to comment on the question asked by the interviewer when she says "what had you (Tonya) done for your mother to have gone off on you like that?"...like thanks for victim blaming. She didn't have to do anything to have been beaten. Anything can make an abuser go off. Period. No need to blame the person being abused.
@gisazurnieden90585 жыл бұрын
Of Course it's NOT Tonya's fault that she was beaten (and abused in other ways), but I think that the interviewer just wanted to know what so-called "reason" her mother found for beating her. What excuse her mother used.
@bumblebee-xp7eq5 жыл бұрын
@@gisazurnieden9058 Yeahhh but then she also should have phrased the question differently, like "when would your mom beat you" not "what did you do to cause this" because it implies its tonyas fault. when really abusers dont have rhyme or reason for their abuse. i mean sure you can slip up, not land the jump right, mess up in a small way. but everyone makes mistakes so at that point you're guilty for just being alive and breathing
@curiouscaptainteddy6 жыл бұрын
0:46 why does this mom look like jim carey from dumb and dumber
@ashleyshim20786 жыл бұрын
captain teddy 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂😂
@kellymckay17505 жыл бұрын
Pride of Portland....someone please upload 'Sharp Edges'..
@gisazurnieden90585 жыл бұрын
"Sharp Edges" is on Amazon.com, on iTunes and on hulu, though not for free. (unfortunately I can't watch it from Germany :( )
@kagomemedina1896 жыл бұрын
Wow this chick rocks
@emilyestefania50024 жыл бұрын
Tonya in a way has the same bold & strong character as her mother....Maybe her mother did the best she could in the not so best way. The abuse she says she lived through is very unfortunate. But like my mother has said-forgive me if I ever hurt you while trying to raise you right. It all depends where the intentions are coming from as well. There are parents who beat and abuse their children because they honestly don’t care about them. Regardless it calls for big healing and forgiveness.
@alazjaw.8968 Жыл бұрын
she doesn’t have to forgive
@idkarl33645 жыл бұрын
Tonya is such an inspiration
@kjensen403 жыл бұрын
This is really sad, but Tonya is an adult now- she seems to still have the same attitude she had at 15. Just an observation.
@tudororor4 жыл бұрын
Tonya is my spirit animal
@m.b.27094 жыл бұрын
i really like her "he had a job... and a car."
@PrincessDiana12203 жыл бұрын
I always loved Tonya. She came from nothing and skated so beautifully. She was real.
@lakegirl2394 жыл бұрын
Heartbreaking. I felt the punishment of the skating Union was akin to killing a gnat with an uzi. Was it necessary to destroy her means of making a living away? She was far and away the best in her day.
@Jessica.0005 жыл бұрын
Her mother is crazy!!
@davidcunningham29846 жыл бұрын
I like her.
@caseyajb034 жыл бұрын
"He had a job. And a car". Yep that sums up 15. It's all that matters 🤷🏻♀️ That and "Unt-ugh, she wanted Levi's". I felt those 2 lines.
@wolzie80754 жыл бұрын
She is the definition of badass
@nataliagryczynska42894 жыл бұрын
this documentary made me cry...This is such a sad story.....
@yasinbills84684 жыл бұрын
Tonya you rock
@williamboardman94766 жыл бұрын
ALL of this is in "I Tonya"...go see it.
@neelamsharma74264 жыл бұрын
I just wants to hug her
@mary88533 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who wants to be friends with Teenage Tonya?
@tori2dles6 жыл бұрын
0:47 - That parrot. Bahaha.
@wisek45356 жыл бұрын
I just love her
@Binizh236 жыл бұрын
What did you find attractive about him ? Ans: He had a job & a car. I mean that's it ? lol !!
@gisazurnieden90586 жыл бұрын
LIke she said before: He was the first one or at least the first guy who said she was pretty. I think this was more important than the job and the car (though those things probably signalized to Tonya that he couldn't be a complete loser=. She clearly was starved for someone saying nice things to her :(
@eliza90115 жыл бұрын
He was her 1st everything and her way out
@aidanfilms7026 жыл бұрын
I am getting lying vibes from all sides of this lol
@ashleyshim20786 жыл бұрын
Aidan Smith ikr lol
@patriciabarkley7356 жыл бұрын
Aidan Smith , I agree. Whoever taped the phone call was feeding her snotty behavior. Poor little thing. Grow up. Don't call home!
@Kassy_12346 жыл бұрын
Like the common saying - Every truth has a lie
@karlanamuag33766 жыл бұрын
the way she brings and speaks for herself, shows that this is in fact non-fictional
@gisazurnieden90586 жыл бұрын
She was fifteen at the time. Not a child anymore but by no means grown up. She really would have needed encouragement from her mother instead of being berated. There's a Video ("60 minutes" interview here on KZbin) where you can see/here the complete phone call and what Tonya tells about it afterwards. At the end of this scene in the video Tonya clearly fights back tears. Her line "What a bitch!" was clearly meant to appear cool and trying not to show how much she was hurt...
@ThePecanpie134 жыл бұрын
Her mom held her back
@samshM6 жыл бұрын
Why do you have to have and be something other than just having talent and skills? Why can't those ice-skating rule makers not judge on basis of just ice-skating? Have to look a certain way, have to dress a certain way, have to be a certain way..BULLSHIT. That's hypocrisy and Injustice at a whole new level.
@rileyscott58276 жыл бұрын
That's just the way the world is. It's not specific to Ice-skating. You have look a certain way, behave and think in a similar way to others, be able to afford a certain life-style, can't be smarter or dumber than the others, etc. Otherwise you are a target.
@whitneyfan90196 жыл бұрын
Tonya looks so much different
@CanadianMonarchist6 жыл бұрын
Well the last time she was in the public eye she was 23.
@whitneyfan90196 жыл бұрын
Canadian Monarchist 1992 1999 actually was! Her looks didn’t start changing until 2003. She was on the Maury shoe in 2000. To me she looks and sounds different.
@rosses79046 жыл бұрын
True. Nancy looks the same just older
@gisazurnieden90585 жыл бұрын
It's mostly her nose that is different. She got it broken two times in her short Boxing Career and probably had to get it corrected by surgery...
@ronyalemerrill10 ай бұрын
I can relate to having a mother like hers!
@lalakuma93 жыл бұрын
More than anything, I'm shocked that they called her a "tomboy" and "unladylike" as if that's a negative thing. I'm extremely confused. She just looks like a normal girl. People were so small-minded back then.
@MicaSouXx2 жыл бұрын
It's so sad. I feel like Tonya's mother was so hurt and she was working so hard to keep her to skate so she felt like Tonya owed her something. I feel sorry for both of them