Trying the Most Advanced VR Headset | Pimax 8KX vs Valve Index Review

[@xanpenguin754]

The Pimax seems like a intermediary headset. Intermediary in the sense of this is where we want to go with vr; wider fov, better clarity at range,. But it doesn’t have all the other areas that step forward from the Index. So perhaps the next generation will be the true leap forward for vr where it will have all the problems they have now sorted and it feels that but more natural. Something to watch but not buy.

[@JoMiMi_h]

Plus, it's a Chinese company.

[@Chiikyi]

@@JoMiMi_h True, but that doesn't really matter tbh, US companies are just as bad. I wouldn't judge a product on the country of origin alone.

[@JoMiMi_h]

@@Chiikyi If there's one thing I hate more than tyrants, it's the CCP.

[@motivationallizard1117]

@@Chiikyi There have been numerous horror stories of Chinese Companies. Of course there are as well with the US but the CCP is much more intrusive in Chinese companies and also the fact of how Chinese businesses tend to try to make a quick buck at the cost of long term profits or reputation.

[@alexlee6859]

You should check out Pimax's new headset set to release 2022Q4... it's the Pimax Reality 12k. Jesus Christ, it has full body tracking, facial & lip tracking, eye tracking (especially for auto IPD adjustment).

[@A4MAce]

As someone with an index, I think it would take a real revolutionary new tech to get me to buy a new headset. Like if it had greatly improved tracking and controls that would be a huge selling point, but also the games themselves need to improve that so I'm probably sticking with the index for awhile. It was definitely worth the buy!

[@sjtiernan5841]

For me the greatest imporvment for from the index would be just to add wireless to it. I love the index as it is but this also come from it just being better than any vr ive had

[@thebteamoof6835]

Face tracking is my minimum

[@sjtiernan5841]

@@thebteamoof6835 actually i dont feel i need that right now as much as the wireless system. I mean it could be nice to say have your avatars do facial expressions you make but the wire is a pain especially for an ocd like me. Once again not saying i wouldnt like that but the wire is bulky and you trip over it or you have to hang it from the ceiling which doesnt look great at all

[@MachineCode0]

I love my index but for me the comfort is poor, the headstrap is bad and lenses have some serious drawbacks. I'd upgrade to a refresh index 2.0 with redesigned headstrap, aspheric lenses and eye tracking (for foveated rendering performance gains) in a split second. (Especially if I could just keep my controllers and base stations). Valves perfectionism is holding them back again ☹️

[@SinaelDOverom]

I have Rift S, and I wouldn't upgrade until the goggle part is sufficiently miniaturised (i.e. not for another 6-10 years)

[@timeenoughatlast3368]

Soon. Very soon. Rimmy will have all he needs to live full time in the internet his ultimate V-tuber Wifu.

[@exalted_space9224]

So how do I get the headset off? Thats the neat part you don't!

[@cnlbenmc]

Is it gonna be Claire from Glepnir?

[@esper2233]

@@cnlbenmc clearly it's project whiskey

[@cnlbenmc]

+@@esper2233+ Notice the poster on his wall?

[@esper2233]

@@cnlbenmc I am now going to rewatch the whole video to find that poster

[@Lorenzo-vn1zl]

According to Tom's hardware, a 3000 RTX series card is required to run at 90hz, which would explain why it wouldn't work. However the product's page recommends a minimum of a 2060 to run at 8k + 90hz, so thats quite odd.

[@jonniezodiac]

Could be a driver issue

[@Chiikyi]

That is true and not true. Basically as it currently is, Native with 90 hz requires a manual firmware update for the headset. After you done this then it works super fine on the 2080TI

[@danjames8314]

the fact that other companies are essentially playing catchup to a 3 year old headset (that people use still AFTER 3 YEARS) is astounding, valve did more than outdo themselves with this level above competition

[@lordlurk7968]

And valve even downgraded the Index several times too during it's development to lower the overall cost of the device.

[@00yiggdrasill00]

Seems VR still needs work, but I'm left with no doubt it's got a real future. I don't think it will replace PCs and consoles completely given the wide array of living conditions and price ranges, but Im really seeing a serious market for it.

[@LunaNicoleTheFox]

I'd argue that my current setup, and also Rimmy's setup, is quite optimal, so a good headset and controllers with a nice amount of space(and also easily reachable seating within the space) are all you really need for all VR games, especially ones people tend to play the most i.e. VR chat, Beat Saber and Blade & Sorcery or Pavlov. Other accessories are nice to have like: -Trackers for Full Body Tracking -Walking setups -Stocks for Guns -Additional Lighthouses(if available for your envoirment)

[@redrainer]

@@LunaNicoleTheFox it's not that it's optimal for you but for others they just can't justify the added room needed, for a single person or couple in a house you can do fine, but try having 5 people in a small house, you'll be pressed to find a place where you can legitimately experience VR, especially with non wireless headsets (aka non quests). It's why I think the quest is the best headset on the market because its relatively affordable whilst being able to be used in areas where you won't be able to make affordable space for your PC and vr headset. That being said, the headset looks cool and I hope that with the coming great VR wars we'll see a decrease in prices so that I can afford one

[@Voron_Aggrav]

It certainly will be a major part of gaming in like 10-20 years, when it's gotten time to mature

[@SilverTheGreatX]

rimmy has been turning himself into a cyborg over the recent years, we should be prepared for the machine uprising

[@D4rk5t4r02]

Machine uprising you say... stellaris anyone? kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWKmgmqMrN9re9E

[@friendlywallflower7521]

The idea of using a haptic suit for wargame scares me. FEEL THE WARCRIMES!

[@Voron_Aggrav]

There's a video of it in the catalogue if you missed it 😉 worth watching as it's hilarious

[@SinaelDOverom]

Feel your sins weighing on your shoulders... LITERALLY.

[@Ushiokoroni]

As someone who has to wear glasses or can't see to well, i judge any vr headseat mainly on how they can handle that Can i wear glasses with them, since you really don't want to scratch your lenses, or is there some way to put prescription lenses in or on top. Contacts aren't an fix all solution in this case either because not everyone want's or really can put those in either. Sadly it's usually quite a bit looking around for me to figure out how to actually see things in vr ^^''

[@reih2f380]

Get a quest 2 then. I wear glasses and use it

[@OmegaReaver]

I wear glasses as well, and have found that my Index handles them decently well. I DID recently change my frames to a smaller profile, but my previous pair fit well enough inside, provided I was careful with how I put the headset on. Of course, even with my new frames I can't just push the headset onto my forehead in order to see out, but still, works well enough.

[@Barten0071]

Is it theoretically possible to make the game blurry in such a way that it is clear to people who need glasses?

[@OmegaReaver]

@@Barten0071 It depends entirely on how bad your vision is. I can set the focus on my Index so that it _almost_ is playable without glasses, but not quite. If your prescription is weak enough, then it's possible. A few years ago I could play my friend's HTC Vive without glasses by adjusting the focus, but now? Probably not.

[@Cole.Ignios]

If you can get your hands on one now that they are no longer in production, the Rift S is great for glasses

[@porkupineexe6862]

4:40 The Quest has a stand-alone volume rocker, which make sense considering it’s an AIO unit. It’s actually really nice though when your using VRDesktop or Questlink

[@DaddyOHunter]

Dude, the 8KX costs more than my Steyr AUG A3M1. I only spent around $2,057 USD on it

[@arandomcommenter412]

Only.

[@iloveslyfox46]

@@arandomcommenter412 ? the 8kx is only $1300

[@SDlETRICH]

He means if you also had to add the controllers and wall sensors

[@Omniwhatever]

Good to see Rimmy's comments on it, VR videos are some of my favorite and I think you summed up your thoughts pretty well on it. You gave some pretty fair thoughts and also commented on the value between the two, which is a good comparison I think sometimes gets overlooked in this expensive hobby with how costly stuff gets. I love mine but it's a lot more expensive than most other headsets. To briefly comment on a few things though. It looks like you didn't use the earcups, the things at about 2:04 in the top corners of the box, which would explain some audio issues? If I'm seeing the video right. The KDMAS are designed to be on ear speakers, like the Vive DAS or Vive Pro, and sound bad if you remove them, they're not off ear like the Index. Their DMAS headphones are the Index like speakers and a different product. Their sound is still a little lacking without some third party post processing, but the KDMAS for me were comparable to the Vive DAS normally. I've recorded a lot with the Pimax and even made a video&written guide on how to do it. You need the OpenVR plugin for OBS for direct eye capture and then to do some manual cropping by clicking and dragging to resize the window, then with alt+left click cropping till you get the crop you want and drag it to fit the screen. The desktop capture tends to look badly distorted for whatever reason. You'll need to do this PER FOV since the aspect ratio changes between large, normal, and small. But I've recorded even on Large FoV without major issues or losing a bunch of FoV doing this. It's annoying, but once you set it up you're good to go. I've never ran into the issue you experienced on it weirdly. One weakness Pimax has is things can be kind of finnicky, So if that's what you were doing already then maybe it was just bad luck on software. Pimax software support can be... Kind of spotty. The blurring/distortions on the edge can sometimes be improved depending on if you use the 15mm or 11mm face foam, it's worse on 15mm for me and I play with the 11mm. But Pimax is super temperamental on your face shape and some people got distortions/blur bad and not much you can do about it.

[@RimmyDownunder]

Thanks for the comment man, lots of good info in here. In terms of the audio, no, it's hard to describe because obviously trying to record a speaker is asking for a feedback loop, but the audio was very much awful at its core and was suffering from the known issue. Basically imagine the sort of noises you'd hear if you left the headphones in your phone half plugged in. High pitched, crackling, specific sounds having more of an issue than others. The tinniness was exceptionally bad. Playing with the sound cables made it slightly better sometimes but I could never actually fix it. EDIT: And yes, the spotty support for Pimax is definitely an issue I've run into with it. Really hard to find help.

[@Omniwhatever]

@@RimmyDownunder Ah, that's too bad then, real shame. QC's so/so from Pimax in what I've seen. May've been the firmware versions but had different experiences on two 8k X's, one definitely worse than the other so they need to improve on that. If you try fiddling with it anymore before sending it back then best of luck to you. Either way, great video and appreciate the response.

[@lenardstarks5891]

I just realized Rimmy looks like Kyle Katarn from the Jedi academy series

[@RimmyDownunder]

highest compliment that can be offered

[@OutbackCatgirl]

ive experienced this audio jack issue in non vr contexts with a good headset on a good laptop due to a manufacturing error that offset the jack shroud by about 2mm and the port was slightly deeper than it should have been. i got almost no audio at all when pushed all the way in and it was muddy, not tinny.Poor electrical connection does make a huge difference but this specific speaker frequency response is more likely to be tied to the speaker itself being not top shelf quality or having poor isolation or filtering internally to the headset. So your conclusions definitely gel with that experience - the build quality issue is less impactful than the actual internal setup of the hardware, assuming your review unit wasn't damaged by a previous user somehow.

[@thomasrogers842]

last I heard, the 90hz native rendering was still a work in progress feature that currently is only available on the 30 series GPUs, but that's not a hardware capability thing, so it might be that the 2080 meets the hardware requirements, but doesn't have the software compatibility to run 90hz native yet

[@Chiikyi]

The Native 90hz setting requires a manual firmware update on the 8Kx. It works super well on a 2080TI. Its just a pain in the ass to set up.

[@buddyoguen100]

If you are looking for a high-end vr hmd you should really look at the Varjo Aero. It is far more expensive but it delivers on that.

[@PDjargon]

Varjo XR3 is even better according to ThrillSeeker but hell expensive.

[@The_Bird_Bird_Harder]

@@PDjargon With regular payments.

[@PDjargon]

@@The_Bird_Bird_Harder What about regular payments? (Confused)

[@killermetalwolf2843]

@@PDjargon might’ve been a joke about “something something regular payments of $999,999 every month” or something, idk

[@marcusborderlands6177]

@@PDjargon the XR3 is a business hmd that has a subscription service in order to use it, but that subscription includes things like full warranty, actual on call customer support etc. It's meant for like car design companies and the like.

[@cnlbenmc]

0:16 Is that a Glepnir poster on the wall I see? Is Rimmy already moving on from Nagatoro to Claire after first having Mikoto Misaka? Funny how Brittney Karbowski is the English VA for Misaka (plus all her clones) and Claire yet they're almost as polar opposite as you can get and does an amazing job at both. Mikoto Misaka is more the acting style and character temperament that Most of her roles are known for, so it was glorious how well pulled off the alluring and borderline psychotic Claire. Hopefully she gets to channel that energy when eventually gets to play the Misaka Worst Clone again.

[@WiseIdiot9]

I did not know what Glepnir was before today. Japan. You have somehow found some way to surprise me once again.

[@cnlbenmc]

+@@WiseIdiot9+ Its actually a surprisingly good show, and the studio that made it didn't seem like it had made anything like it before.

[@Chris11231]

First time I've properly seen Rimmy's face in a while and woah that is one handsome man

[@elitely6748]

Why does the Space-force uniform he's got remind me of Dune a bit? it's cool.

[@OlShev0897]

Can’t sleep anymore until I find where to get one.

[@Pasta_Pirate]

there is another comment upvoted by rimmy which mentions "a Volante design shirt found out in the wild!" which seems to be a clothing company so check there?

[@tehbeard]

Not gonna lie, that thumbnail looked like someone shitposting LinusTechTips... Edit: really interesting and informative review, and that audio fix sounds like the janky stuff I did when I broke a headphone port on my pc....

[@starsilverinfinity]

14:19 Rimmy using his inner Fist of the North Star animated

[@trigerhappy011]

I've actually had an 8kx for about a year now, though mine is one of the ones that doesn't have integrated audio which I don't think they sell anymore. There is enough room to wear separate headphones under the headset, or at least with my head and headphones, so I just use that. I honestly never noticed the blurring at the edges of vision, I guess I just got used to it. I have noticed sometimes if a game isn't made for it I can see chunks of the map unloading at the edges of my vision, though that's usually only in VRChat maps (and even then only some) and the vast majority of games don't have this issue.

[@RayStar1ing]

Love the glepnier poster in the background btw.

[@TheFuri0uswc]

Nice to see your fully embracing our cyberpunk future

[@redfoxtactical8425]

As someone who's just about to buy an Index for their first vr experience. You put my mind at ease a lot.

[@kamerona4723]

where can i get that space force uniform its pretty sytlin

[@Kohl293]

The people need to know

[@minihjalte]

Yeah its cool shirt

[@ChaoticSorceror]

Also following!

[@ThatSlowTypingGuy]

Would be nice.

[@Pasta_Pirate]

there is another comment upvoted by rimmy which mentions "a Volante design shirt found out in the wild!" which seems to be a clothing company so check there?

[@neromastic4512]

From my Perspective whit my PC (That is build whit a AMD RX 5700 XT 8GB,16 Ram and a Ryzen 7 5800X 3.80GHz) and my Pimax Artisan I can pretty much say that I am satisfied whit it as it fits My situation where I am Half Blind and my eyes been Sensitive. I did wanted to get the Index because it has so much better things,but there is 2 things the Index does not have that is Critical. FOV and Glare Free. Whit my one eye I can play VR Games thanks to Pimax wide FOV and the Glare Free effect on it doesnt make my eye tired. My PC does run my Pimax at 90Hz and at the Max FOV,the lenses do have they limits whit the dead zone on the outline,it is noticeable more on the index due to it having smaller FOV. Now I didnt wanted to buy the 8KX as I wanted to see how it would go whit a Artisan first,that and I collected information knowing how bad the Audio is and that the Mic was bad too. How did I fix it whit the Pimax Artisan that does not get the Add on Strap whit Speakers? Well solution Steelseries Arctis Pro Wireless. I can wear my Pimax Artisan and my Steelseries Headset both at the same time,as the Artisan has only Straps and no adjustable one like the 8KX,and the Steelseries Headset fits on top pretty nicely. Comfort I would say is sort of Good,sometimes it hurts my head when I strap it too tight on my head,but overall I am happy whit everything. The Software is also pretty customisable unlike Steam VR. You can Adjust you're VR Headset at wish and can be even Manually fixed software wise. Logistics is different as whenever I needed a new Replacement for my Pimax,I could just order it (Example been the Face Foam) it came less then 2 Days and I could easily replace it on my own because of the good design of the Pimax. From the Index I hear a lot of issue whit my friends that they need to contact Valve in order to get a new Cable replacement,I can just order it and replace it on my Pimax. Financially I would do as Rimmy says,this Headset is very wallet heavy and is not to be taken lightly if you have financal issues or wish to buy something "Cheap" and "Good" The Index is a very good Starter headset for anyone that wants to go into VR Gaming,that or you do my way and take a blind shot into the dark (that hit a bullseye for me).

[@marcusborderlands6177]

I agree with almost everything you ahve to say, besides the "index is a starter headset" part. It's what most people list after, not the starter lol. Most people start with a rift, vive, or quest, then move to an index eventually.

[@tomduke1297]

i´ve had my 8kx for i think 2 years now, and to this day i dont know what people mean when they talk about blurry image at the periphery. maybe because im wearing glasses and it just makes no difference to me? anyways, i like it so far and it was always a steppingstone to push vr development. im currently looking forward to pimax´s next headset somewhere around end this year, early next year.

[@KristianSandvikk]

I love how the PiTool's FOV settings have a "potato" option

[@ElTristo]

Ha! A Volante design shirt found in the wild!

[@HecTechFPV]

So that's the most expensive unit , But now I'd love to see the cheapest VR setup that you would find usable!

[@RimmyDownunder]

Haha, it'd honestly probably just be a Quest 2. I hate Meta more than most, but they do have the big advantage of a very very cheap headset with no need to set up lighthouses (this is actually something I dislike, I don't like the Quest's tracking but it does WORK) and no need for a PC. I think you can get them for like 400 (australian) dollars in Australia now which is about the price or even lower than if you got a normal games console.

[@Thenlar]

One day, the standalone headset Index will be back in stock. Maybe? Need to upgrade from my damn HTC Vive. I already bought the index controllers a while ago, and there's just nothing else that really seems like a worthwhile investment over what I've got. Of course i could also use a GPU upgrade but...... Ha. Buying a GPU in this day and age?

[@marcusborderlands6177]

They are coming way down in price. I saw a bunch of 3060's at MSRP at my local microcenter yesterday, alongside a few 3070's only about 100 over msrp

[@MrYago-xd7um]

Fantastic review. Not talking about the product in any way, this was just a fantastic review process.

[@thomasparsons9866]

So this video convinced me to get an Index. I have a rx 580 and r7 2700x 16gb ram, the Index runs alright. Avg fps for VTOL VR was around 40, Alyx was 70. Definitely not the best experience but it can run on lower end systems.

[@Dim2134]

The peripheral vision sounds like my legitimate experience with my own peripherals actually wearing glasses.

[@aidanfarnan4683]

Rimmy, don't upload your soul just yet: Horse-kun is still at large!

[@firefox5926]

2:35 speaking of mecha .. how you feel about a lets play of the mech ,warrior series .. or at least mech warrior 4 merc's or maybe even crimson skies

[@alexanderthegreat6682]

Crimson... Skies... *Predictable*

[@arcavenger4556]

I still cant get over the fact that Rimmy and I have the same Secret Lab Titan chair xD

[@CanonOverseer]

I like how Eb games brought back the Index immediately around the time of this video just to mess with what rimmy said

[@RimmyDownunder]

Lmao did they? The video was recorded a few months back, so I'm glad they finally got indexes back in stock at least. I actually just bought another one myself.

[@Wretch_Yukihiro]

Is that a gleipnir poster in the background at the beginning of the video? that's badass

[@007racerdude]

Interesting to note the PSVR has volume control on the set.

[@CrazyGamer996]

Fun fact old walkmens used to have the same problem and the same solution with the sound

[@wubbers662]

This is cool Dre- I mean Remy

[@JohnTrustworthy]

>Having to half-jack cables to properly match audio channels This looks like a rookie mistake.

[@Anon_Spartan]

Damn, that's a nice gliepnir poster

[@SammyBun]

As someone who got the change to test these years ago they are not consumer headsets in my opinion the require monster pc's to run. Games aren't made for the fov and they are not very reliable at all and prone to software and hardware issues. very cool concept and if it actually worked i would love a pair because playing dcs with these was incredible and the screendoor effect is much less noticeable than with other headsets. But for now i wouldn't buy 1 or recommend getting one.

[@ilsu2178]

Honestly, even if you can't afford something like the Index or Pimax, the Quest 2 is honestly a really good choice and is what I use, and its perfectly serviceable and doesn't cost much to get. Hell, I just walked into my best buy and bought it there for $300. Had to buy the cable (and an adapter) online through

[@Horizontalvertigo]

Rimmy in profile hit different tho

[@royalphoenix2028]

Hey Rimmy, remember if you're struggling to afford rent you should just buy a house, struggling to afford food just buy a restaurant, cant afford a good PC just buy apple or Microsoft, cant afford VR buy the company that makes them :)

[@fishpop]

22:19 Not sure how i should respond to that slant at the GBP... :/

[@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_]

Hopefuly 180 FoV becomes the norm, the blurriness should be fixable with better lenses.

[@TonyDrecaps]

I hope so too. I hate low FOV headsets and it's been stuck there for 8 years

[@Prophet311]

At the point in the video where he talks about how people look around (I think it’s around 9:00ish). I’m weird, I don’t look with my head like most people, I look with my eyes first. I’m like the Terminator, it’s weird and my eyes don’t move around like other people’s eyes. If you were to look into a normal person’s eyes for a decent amount of time you could see them shifting around ever so slightly but mine are just stock straight.

[@bryce4724]

Finally a FOV I can get behind now to win the lottery

[@Cpt.Str4ng3]

Rimmy using some heretical free Tau gear, while wearing a maybe also heretical spacesuit, filming from OG catachan, killing people that are smart as some AOS troops while looking like Sparkly Batmans and Wolverines cousin, count me in.

[@Kitsunary]

Samsung's WMR headset has the volume buttons too. It's main issue is the WMR controllers.

[@dalodrin1346]

The ear cups are mandatory you need to use then for the audio to sound right

[@xlmncopq]

does elite dangerous support this new headset?

[@Sawtooth44]

ok a question then if the pimax swapped out its speakers for the index ones would it be more worth it

[@Moehre040]

The onward 'stretching' really just looked like your average game's FOV slider where you turn it up you just go into 'warp drive mode'

[@dtupper]

Unsurprised. I had similar issues and complaints about a first gen Pimax 5K+. It's going to be very, very hard to beat the Index's audio (mic and speakers). It is best in class by a huge HUGE margin.

[@FluffyYukihyo]

vive pro has volume on the ear cup as well as mic mute button

[@HK417A1]

So basically the pimax is like wearing glasses, you have a cone of clarity and still see your peripherals, but they're blurry

[@phill2065]

yeah VR's cool and all but where did you get that space force uniform from

[@Pasta_Pirate]

there is another comment upvoted by rimmy which mentions "a Volante design shirt found out in the wild!" which seems to be a clothing company so check there?

[@lawrencecole6527]

It's almost like that lucid dreaming exercise where you focus on widening your perception into a 360

[@josephmocol1702]

Rummy, you have to do VR in IL-2. It’s life changing.

[@Keranite]

Holy shit I just realised how much rimmy changed appearance wise over the years

[@charleslambert3368]

if there are optical limits on how sharp the peripheral vision can be due to spherical aberation or what have you, maybe you could put really crappy screens around the edge to save money but give the user an awareness that something is happening there, even if they can't see exactly what

[@lonergothonline]

while I got no clue how any of this works, don't you use a hdmi/display port to connect the HMD to the computer? maybe just get a hdmi bifricator/splitter (the kind that needs power because its duplicating the hdmi video stream itself), and connect that second duplicated output to a video capture card like an elgato or something... then edit the video for youtube. as for livestreaming, I got no ideas, maybe make up a program yourself that can make a virtualized hdmi video output container, (a VM for a monitor if you will), and just obs the output of that?

[@ReeksofChees3]

the first few seconds reminded me of Caddicarus for some reason

[@PDjargon]

If possible I would suggest trying the Varjo XR3 if possible as I've seen a video from ThrillSeeker who has put it as the best headset visually wise to get as he ended up feeling like the quality was near enough to real life he was being careful about touching stuff and sometimes feeling the things that he thought he was touching but didn't exist.

[@falimano]

I was a Pimax fanboi until recently, mostly was interested in their Artisan Headset since the 5k,8k have the issue with the blurry lenses on the side of your vision, better said it is more noticeable, since even in real life you have blurry vision on your peripherals. My issue with Pimax is, how they deal with customers. There is the obvious language barrier, being a chinese company. They support staff is nice, but as whortless as the rest of the worlds support (me inclueded) since they are not allowed to comment some things, like why does the website show the Artisan to be available, when it isn't, for months now!!! Pimax headstraps and audio are bad. Visuals are good. It is pretty ok with the god rays, where the Valve is the worst headset there is. Pimax is for simulator games, where you want to feel speed. Racing games, space sims, flight sims are best experienced in a Pimax headset (use your own headphones)

[@RolandVonRose]

Where do you get your shirts? It looks cool af!

[@brokenglass9814]

Where Rimmy buys everything he owns: the based store

[@jameo3888]

Tl;dr: Pimax 8KX reminds me of Chinese Warlord-era guns: A copy of an already done idea, that has some weird features the original didn't have. That last point Rimmy had was probably the most important part of the whole Pimax vs Index vs whatever. Yeah, the visual quality of the Pimax is better than the Index. But the issue is that, more games go for a more stylized look than a realistic look for VR. Take VTOL VR for example, the game has realistic features but goes for a more-tone down visual style. And when you’re looking at a solid matte color it really doesn’t matter whether it’s in 4k or 8k. Instead, if you’re someone with money to spend on things like this, it would make sense to go for other immersive features instead. The price difference is large enough between an Index and Pimax that you could get enough fun gadgets to go with an Index to match the price of a Pimax. If money is such a nonissue for you that this doesn’t matter then… I feel like there’s better things you could probably get instead. Like one of those VR treadmills. At the end of the day, it kinda feels like Pimax is trying to replace the Index as THE standard other HMD’s are compared against. The thing is though, the overall tech hasn’t changed all that much since the Index’s release. Nothing the Pimax was shown to do screamed “THIS is impressive”, it was more like “this is a slight improvement / slight decrease from the Index”. It’s not as if the Index is this highly advanced system that’s lightyears ahead of other HMD’s. If Pimax went full-hog on making a “Rich Boy’s” HMD, they could’ve destroyed the Index. But they didn’t and all that was made was a headset that costs roughly $300 more than an entire Index setup. Also, I don’t even own an Index. I have a G2 Reverb instead. So this isn’t me dickriding, just my honest thoughts.

[@summerstride752]

At least you can buy an Index in Australia, Norway on the other hand has to go to Bacon Land (Sweeden) and pick it up from a friend.

[@EddieInChina]

sad ro hear the price in Australia, valve index costs 1100 AUD in HK, more or less. Maybe you should try to buy in from HK vendors or Chinese ones, not sure about the tax tho

[@yasinyilmaz3524]

9:30 "Hmmm yes the floor here is made out of floor!"

[@Away1910]

I haven’t watched in a little bit but why do you look so different with a beard That threw me for a second lmao

[@Kaiimei]

I'd say the Quest is the best budget VR headset, for the sole reason that it is a standalone headset, you don't also need a beefy computer to run VR games. If you want to experience VR but don't have a computer that can run it, get a Quest.

[@coryen3]

Plus there are ways to run PC vr on it, if you do have or get a capable computer.

[@Kaiimei]

@@coryen3 Yep, so best of both worlds. The headset won't be as great as the others, because they are essentially running off mobile phone processors, but still good xD

[@Pinkooru]

And without the cable, becomes the most useless. As the most played VR game becomes unplayable due to how the game works. VRC obviously, goes purely off of player's capabilities of optimizing their awful base avatars that everyone thinks is ugly. Otherwise, enjoy your grossly clean avatars with no features and a general cardboard feel to them.

[@JC101Zero]

@@coryen3 withh the more then half technical issues lol

[@coryen3]

@@JC101Zero and less than a third the price.

[@-Big_Big]

I think the price increase for Australia is fair. After all they have to do all kinds of Reverse Gravity tinkering to make it work in upside down land.

[@iamrocketray]

LOL

[@Soridan]

Anyone who loses wars to birds needs to pay a shame tax on everything.

[@arcamean785]

Thank Rimmy, I'm going to be getting into VR either this month or next depending on when the house I'm moving into is ready and I wanted to get a VR setup. The Pimax looks nice but at 2k since i don't have any other equipment is also rather steep and I'll wait to see how the one they're releasing later this year turns out... assuming the idiots managing logistics around the world don't fuck up that. :p edit: VR owners a question for you... is it better to use say the Index set or would using my current steel series wireless work. I'm sure it would be heavy but just a question as I like the sound quality but also that whatever i'm listening to isn't being blasted into the room around me lol.

[@mragent1892]

Have you tried ostranauts? Its a cool realistic space game

[@TheLPRnetwork]

This is my favoirt headset for project wingman.

[@MURFGAMING1228]

HA, I've got the same processor as Rimmy. Am happy.

[@thewingedhussars2565]

4:48 the quest 2 did

[@DjBetoon]

does anyone know on pimax when you change FOV from biggest to normal or small, what does change? Do the resolution of displays just shorten and you get black line on the edges or how does it work? Do you see backlight on the black part if it is like that?

[@Pogram1]

I've just noticed Gleipnir poster.

[@bigneto95]

5:37 do you have any idea of what is the bottleneck of your setup?

[@RimmyDownunder]

Likely the GPU, but hard to say. All of it is very top of the line, the GPU is a bit older but is also a Titan so... hard to say.

[@pyroheathen6535]

You know how some people get less attractive the more you look at them? Rimmy is the opposite.

[@CarameltheMoo]

okay so you're just experiencing what all of us with glasses experience for peripheral vision

[@Captain_Draco]

So, if they release an updated version with some fixes that covered the main issues you'd likely recommend it?

[@Chiikyi]

A Pimax is a headset for someone that likes to tinker and fix issues a lot. Like me for example.The Pimax is a truly amazing headset, I absolutely love it for the FOV alone. But if you are not really tech savvy then I would not recommend it.

[@lupusthefurry7012]

That poster with the red thing what is it

[@englishcrashingpilot5769]

In real life when you turn your eyes automatically unfocus. Allowing you to turn your head without dizzying yourself. In shortened terms, your vision goes blurry when you turn your head quickly. Hence why when you turn your head you can’t see.

[@RimmyDownunder]

That's very true, but to clarify what I mean, it's like the corners of my vision were that of a person who needs glasses. IRL for example I can still see things out the corner of my eye, but in the Pimax they just become a blur of colours that I can't separate, and as I got closer to the centre of the headset things became more in focus. A major issue is if I glanced with my eyes, because then my eyes were looking straight at the blurry mess. It was better if I always stayed looking forwards.

[@englishcrashingpilot5769]

@@RimmyDownunder Ah I see. Yeah that does seem like more of a problem. Thank you for the clarification.

[@adwbkk]

The most advanced, and still unfinished HMD available. Have had my new PiMax 8KX for about a month now and during that time it has worked for about a week. The list of problems just gets longer and longer. Can not work with steam - Steam just crashes as soon as it sees the Pimax. Tech support says reload steam, reload Pitool, Reload SteamVR. Try this setting and try that setting. But it still does not work. It is even difficult to turn on! Sometime it conects straight away and other times not at all. Sometimes you get a green light (all good), sometime a purple light (reprojection is on) and sometime an orange light (no idea). There is no way to control this behaviour. The Pimax was not designed to be used with steam. In fact I would say that the product is not complete and still being tested. And you can be a beta tester for only $2000. A serious waste of time and money and I would be happy to get rid of mine for 75% of what it cost me. Sad to say that it is just not ready for the average VR ready computer competent consumer.

[@DalTheFox]

Looks like sumn outta star wars that is SICK!

[@Mx.Canada]

I'm glad Canada isn't the only one that has to deal with EB Games lmao

[@D4rk5t4r02]

That blur or the corner of your vision: welcome to being short-sighted, now go home. (Note can't say if its the same for being long-sighted

[@TonyDrecaps]

Good honest review. Thank you! Did you adjust the software IPD along with the hardware ipd for each game? I'm curious if that'd help with clarity.

[@Kashi-K]

nice gleipnir poster lol

[@jthompson8177]

Eb games is still around?

[@furrybacon1512]

Unironically tho - where did you get that sweater. That's really cool.