Trying to FIX the Paperboy Game with help from GadgetUK164

[@GadgetUK164]

Excellent!!! Great recovery, and I appreciate it was your first time inside one of these trying to repair a Megadrive cart! As you say, Paperboy isn't that rare but the whole process you've shown could help with rare games, and as you say - it's so rewarding when you manage to fix something that was faulty =D Copper tape is a great idea to replace that missing edge connection! BTW - if the wire was too thin it would burn out, rather than not work! You can go with very thin wires on these - kynar is what I use. Glad I could help and thank you very much for mentioning my channel on this video! Let me know how you get on with the flux (and the copper tape!!!). Keep up the great channel and I look forward to the next video!

[@Mymatevince]

Cheers Chris, it's a pleasure mate. If I was doing it again I think the board would be in better shape after removing the ROM chip. I just looked up the black wire I used and it is 30AWG (0.25mm Insulated Silver Plated Single Core Copper PCB Kynar Wrapping Wire). I will look forward to use that flux on the next chip I try. Just to let you know I have about 7 videos waiting to be edited/uploaded so if I don't use the flux it is because it is an earlier video done before this one :-) Thanks again, Vince :-)

[@GadgetUK164]

Likewise, I really enjoyed helping you out and seeing how pleased you were at the end result you achieved - it was well worth the time we both spent! That wire sounds fine! And I am sure if you worked on one of these again it would be perfect at the end! We all make mistakes, especially when we push ourselves out of our comfort zones - working on things we've never seen before, developing techniques etc. It's all part of the learning experience of life! If I come across anything interesting for you to look at, I will give you a shout! =D

[@Mymatevince]

Thanks Chris :-)

[@RealBelahzur]

Hey Chris, we can teach Vince to stick it in and out of the slot, a good time 10 or 20 times... ;)

[@MrPGT]

Vince sort of reminds me of the beginnings of YOUR channel, Chris. And now you are pretty handy with a soldering iron and a circuit diagram. If the original mask ROM had still been working, I would have liked to see him try his hand at copying the circuit board on a designer program and getting a copy made up at JLPCB or PCBWay or a similar place. Vince, try putting some flux on your solder wick before you use it.

[@mssays8525]

Your videos remind me when I was young, working for Rediffusion, I had to repair colour televisions, I asked for help and the techs gave me minimum info and they would say 'You know what the fault is. Find it' Phew I did. Went on to build and design recording studios, design and build computers and it all started doing what you are doing now. The best thing I was told 'Look, think and try' It comes together.

[@steve323f]

More emotions went through me in that few minutes that it wasn't working, than every minute of every episode of lost, game of thrones and bodyguard combined. Kudos to you and your.... Mentor?

[@Mymatevince]

Haha, great comment :-)

[@terribleadelaidedrivers8754]

I've never heard a man sound so sad when it didn't initially work. Congratulations. Perseverance paid off for you.

[@Mymatevince]

Thank you :-)

[@Sevicify]

My heart sank hearing him sound so defeated when it didn't work after replacing the ROM and then fixing the capacitor, but hearing his excitement upon seeing that first screen made me smile knowing his perseverance would be rewarded.

[@VyperByteX]

I can understand why he felt that way. He speed it up, but I imagine that he spent a good bit of time soldering on this during that time. Putting that much effort in with no reward can be deflating. Good on him for keeping at it afterwards.

[@poopdaddy4217]

Spoiler!

[@victor58010]

What a refreshing change to hear such beautiful music as an accompaniment to your videos,instead of the screaming garbage that lots of others feel they have to add to their videos. It adds a further sparkle to the whole experience, well done and keep up the good work!

[@GRUSSNewton]

Stumbled across your channel earlier tonight and I’ve watched your entire ‘switch’ series then this one! Long time subscriber of chris and his repair vids. Really enjoyed what I’ve watched so far... very refreshing and easy to watch. 👍

[@gordyf77]

Thanks, Vince. I love your videos so much. I have no interest in performing repairs or similar myself, but you have become absolutely compulsive viewing. I'm always routing for you to make the fix! Your style is thoroughly enjoyable.

[@AKsevenFOUR]

I think above everything, the best lesson you provide is giving yourself permission to fail. It's so essential when learning anything. I love your give it a go attitude.

[@PeteSimpson]

Hey Vince, You should really be repairing the broken tracks using *enamelled copper wire* and not cutting up thick wire with thick sleeves. But hey, you got it working so good on you :-) I've had to repair a broken connection track like yours before, no problem. I used a 0.1mm thick *copper tape* cut down to size, I cleaned the board with isopropyl alcohol then when it was dry I took the backing away from the copper tape and placed it on the board perfectly flat (your thumb heat will help it stick really well), then I soldered the broken track to the bottom of the replacement copper connector. That repair was a few years ago and it still works perfect today. Nice one, keep it up...

[@Mymatevince]

Excellent advice, thanks for sharing it :-)

[@jameshayler7009]

Hey Vince . I have been watching your fix videos for well over a year and I have enjoyed everyone of them . But I must say Boy are you a tryer. If I had that game and it didn't work I would have just thrown it at the wall , but I really admire your patience . Keep up these excellent videos , I really enjoy your channel . ☺

[@gadgetuk48]

So glad it worked in the end, thought all that time to try fix it and still don't work lol, but they say, persistence pays off, well done Vince 😀

[@MrDsmen]

Hi Vince ! I absolutely loved this video because I have been thru the same hassle but with gameboy carts and replacing their rom chips with flash chips so I could rewrite them. I have two advices for you: First of all use more flux and I mean almost drown everything in it, it makes things a lot easier and for the second one - You can use copper adhesive tape for repairing damaged pads ond the edge connector and make sure if you ever do it to fold it over the edge just a little for extra ridgidity. Cheers and good luck on your next repairs !

[@Mymatevince]

Thank you for the tips. Chris (GadgetUK164) pointed me in the right direction to buy some copper tape (used for slugs in the garden I believe). I have 30m on order for a few £. Happy days :-)

[@tailgatersoxfordukedition6238]

So happy for u Vince ! U helped me fix a Xbox one s from broken got it for £30 fixed for £8 part ! So happy

[@Mymatevince]

Thank you and it sounds like you had a great result on the Xbox One S (bargain price).

[@tailgatersoxfordukedition6238]

Also fixed iPhone 6s screen a couple of times now , I think u posted that too !

[@Eremon1]

It's not about the device itself, but more about how it works and the sense of satisfaction that you beat the broken device and leveled up your electronics skill. :)

[@chomerly]

I'm so glad you got it working. Maybe it would be worth looking for another faulty cartridge and pulling the board from inside it in order to us as a donor for paper boy.

[@Mymatevince]

Yeah, a really cheap game for a donor. I didn't know they were interchangeable. I learned a lot in these 2 videos on the Mega Drive carts and I didn't expect that :-)

[@billy-waynejeffcoat4828]

@@Mymatevince idk about Sega but I know there's sites thst sell brand new reproduction boards for Nintendo cartridges. Might be something to look into if you have a game you really like. Instead of gambling on finding a old board in decent shape.

[@electronash]

29:32 That initial text is actually part of a small ROM in the Mega Drive chipset. It's part of the TMSS region coding thing that they added to all of the later models. If you see that text, but the game still won't boot, it likely means that the console was able to at least read the cart header info, but failed after that point, probably due to one or more dodgy upper address signals on the cart. Glad you got it going. ;)

[@electronash]

A lot of issues with carts are down to the contacts, btw. (assuming it doesn't have corroded edge connector fingers, broken traces, and other issues like this cart had, of course.) I'm highly doubtful the wires would be too thick for the current or anything, though. As long as the wires are kept fairly short (ie. not much longer than the original PCB traces), even single strands of wire would probably still work. It's worth keeping (insulated) wires close to the groundplane of the PCB, though, to minimize noise pickup. I think you can get repro cart PCBs on AliExpress, btw. You might have mentioned that in the vid, but I admit that I did skip forward a bit, so I can watch some of the vid before sleep. lol

[@kevinroirigorbasina6039]

Its amazing how youtubers help each other!! Keep up the good work guys! its very entertaining to watch you guys fixing things. Cheers! 😁🤗

[@damiencgreen]

Nice video really encouraging to see you persevere to get it working. You can do a really good repair job with enamel coated wire it’s nice and thin and doesn’t have problems with the outer plastic melting. Makes a much neater repair. Soldering takes practise and each time you do a repair you’ll just keep getting better :).

[@Retro_Care]

I usually cut all legs from the chip and desolder a leg at a time with thru hole, of course only if the chip is going to be thrown away, that way I have less chance on damaging the traces. good video, keep it up

[@shadowtheimpure]

Wow, didn't expect to come onto KZbin and hear some Offenbach today. Great selection!

[@fazboy007]

Hi Vince...love watching your videos. Did notice during your video that the PCB was sliding around whilst you were trying to remove the EPROM. When removing or soldering components, it's a lot easier to push the PCB into a blob of Blu-Tac - simple idea but it holds the board steady when soldering. Keep up with the Vids : )

[@Mymatevince]

Good idea. I will remember that for next time. Thank you :-)

[@rainbowdashgirl1192]

That's awesome man you got paper boy to work I'm happy to see it play on your mega drive system because paper boy is such a fun game It was a bit sad at first when the paper boy game when it wasn't working at first But I'm glad you got it work

[@BlueMooseFatality]

i love this series! would like to see you do a refurb episode! Buying a used Gameboy for example, and putting a new shell on it. Maby installing a backlit display, which im doing for my Gameboy Advanced SP, a neat project with some soldering and wiring.

[@mindthegap29]

It was nice to see you get so excited when it worked. Keep up the great videos📺

[@MrMalky1550]

Well done dude, gadget UK has done you a solid, watched Chris for years now he is a good guy.

[@Mymatevince]

Thanks. He is definitely a good guy :-)

[@Alexander_l322]

Hi Vince good work! After all that soldering I thought it would have had it but you pulled it back from the dead

[@Mymatevince]

Thanks :-)

[@burn0uts0n34]

Cheers Mate Vince. cool to see the game work again, although not great, it's awesome to see someone literally rewire a whole game kart and make it work. nice job man, super cool.

[@Vlad-bu3mr]

nie to see you growning man and really getting involved with the rest of the people on the scene :)

[@SmoothEmJay]

Ey up Vince! glad you got in touch with Chris, you're welcome btw :)

[@GadgetUK164]

Thanks for pointing me to the last few videos =D

[@Mymatevince]

Thanks mate, I seen on his video that you let him know about the Paperboy problem. I appreciate it :-)

[@SmoothEmJay]

My Mate VINCE any time :) good to see it working in the end.

[@kcinplatinumgaming2598]

I been watching Retro's stuff for ages and this channel :D excellent videos :D

[@andyb7374]

Way to go man!!! That was awesome!! I though I was going to shed a tear when that cart didn't fire up. When it did I don't think Paperboy ever looked more glorious. Can't wait for the next video!!

[@Mymatevince]

Thank you :-)

[@mauona]

Congrats pal!!!! So satisfying... In the end, the old blow and wiggle ritual did its part hehe.

[@Den-nd6xn]

"It's not the money aspect of it. It's having something that's broken and fixing it and learning along the way"

[@pdeaky]

I think it'll be 512k Vince rather than mb! Great work as always, loving it!

[@hamandwine]

I am not trying to argue about solder ing skills as we all started to learn some time how to do it right. Unfortunately old electronics are particular bridle when it comes to the glue that holds the copper to the board. So I really advise to first try to find the lowest point in temperature that allows the solder to get flowing. In many cases this old solder is pretty easy coming off at 280°C and keeping the tip on the contact are for 10s is far less damaging then to use 400°C only 5s. Second the suction thing you are using is loading the solder point with a huge impulse of mechanical force. So any loosening of the glue will instantly suck off the copper contact. Using the lowest possible temperature will avoid that too. If you encounter that the contacts already come off easy as the cartridge was mechanically stressed before, switch to lots of flux and solder wig. Never rub the wig over the contact, just dip it multiple time until it sucked up all solder. If everything fails and you know the chip is dead, use good quality cutters and snip away the contacts aside the chip and then pull the cut pins out one by one. It doesn't make sense to be gentel to a dead chip body with the cost of a good PCB.

[@Heru3005]

You should be able to cover that contact with a thin layer of solder for a better connection (good use for that chipquik flux). Seem to remember Gadget doing something similar in a video before.

[@timothystevenhoward]

32:30 endorphin overload! So happy for you Vince!

[@nightbirdds]

Just something to consider, Vince. If you're going to work on carts, you can test with just the board without the shell. That will save you a lot of headaches. Great job on workng out the issues! I think what I love most about these videos is that I'm seeing someone go through the process of learning. Each video, success or failure, you're adding to your knowledge. All the best!

[@robroberts1473]

Love the Mr miyagi hands when you get stoked lol

[@axelfoley20]

Well done! Must be something to do with the contact. I think your wires are okay.

[@hubbatch9586]

So many emotions. What a wild ride.

[@icenesiswayons9962]

The solder sucker will do more damage in the end than it helps. Just use fine solder wick. It works faster cleaner when you get used to it. The sucker is only good for giant globs of solder on heavy duty connections or big wire, ie. TV fly backs!

[@theabhominal8131]

GadgetUK164 (Chris) thanks for helping our mate Vince out and thanks to Vince for showing me another great channel to watch....

[@predz101]

gr8 video, you are getting better all the time m8

[@SquishyMan1]

Vince's reaction is priceless. Amazing!

[@markmccreesh4916]

Another victory Vince! Tenacity is the winner at the end of the day

[@ugurylmaz7666]

I congratulate you and wish you success. 👏👏

[@stonedsavage7814]

I really admire your patience.

[@TheCrystalGlow]

Honestly, .32 - .40 gauge wire for the jumpers would be sufficient. They have laminated copper wire spools for just the application that don’t have bulky insulation jackets. If you keep up these videos, I recommend investing into it.

[@messengersofdeath2568]

Happy for you bro...love your video

[@Mymatevince]

Thanks mate :-)

[@Jdbye]

I hope you can get it working properly without requiring fiddling with the cart every time, would be a shame to leave it half fixed like this. Entertaining video as usual.

[@mikegoodman6294]

Great work for fixing it, well done.

[@BcHmF]

Nice one Vince! This paperboy is back alive - barely :D

[@andymiddleton5677]

Good job Mate! You have a bit more patience than I have 😊 - cheers

[@davoid96]

Nice! The Genesis/Mega-Drive version is my favorite

[@goodcat9088]

I glad just watching this video for enjoyment and I don't really need to fix my broken game cartridge because it would be in the bin by now !!!!!!

[@vader0ne]

great job, enjoyed playing the game on the commadore 64 years back.

[@TheSlysterII]

Sp glad you got there in the end!

[@brunobastos5533]

this is a nice example off internet and social media put good things

[@ratbag359]

Very nice good to see you getting it working.

[@alexcochrane1966]

10/10 for perseverance. well done

[@Mymatevince]

Thank you :-)

[@10p6]

512 Mega Byte Paperboy game for the old Sega is a pretty beefy game size for the time LOL

[@ratbag359]

will be KB :)

[@Sam_Holt]

I was waiting for Vince to take it out and blow it. He delivered.

[@Mymatevince]

Haha, great comment :-)

[@bridgendesar]

Any way you could get a light source in there to see any gaps between the PCB and the contact receptacles, perhaps putting the board in without the case to see?

[@N0L33TSP34K]

Hey, hope you see this VINCE, when working with IPA you should be wearing rubber gloves, as it completely dries out the skin and cause nasty irritation and in the worst case inflammation of the skin. Also, you don't want to inhale the fumes, IPA metabolizes into acetone and let's just say it's bad for you. Good luck with your future repair projects.

[@Mymatevince]

Thanks for the heads up, I didn't know this. My knuckles do feel a bit dry and one has a tiny crack. Not sure why my knuckles have got it over my pads of the fingers (maybe coincidence) but I will order up some disposable gloves. Thanks for letting me know :-)

[@DragoonBB]

It's alive!

[@alien8r33d]

An EPROM is UV erasable and has a quartz window in the top. It's quartz because plastics are degraded by UV and glass blocks UV. Non-erasable ROMs, or one time programable ROMs are called PROMs. ROMs that are pre-programmed at manufacture are Mask programmed ROMs. EEPROMs are Electrically Erasable PROMs.

[@DAVIDGREGORYKERR]

use the small bottle of Elektrokote to bridge the missing part of copper track, then let it dry then hit the track with a hot soldering iron and the track should become highly conductive and it will take solder very easily which is what you need to do so as that paint will wear away and the solder will prevent it from wearing away so quickly, Vince heat that silver paint with a hot soldering iron and some solder and the problem will go away.

[@gibbo9089]

As Eddie the Eagle said - " I think a little bit of wee came out" near the end!

[@Mymatevince]

Haha :-)

[@BLOCKPARTY02]

Enjoying these!!

[@Mymatevince]

Excellent :-)

[@TonyZ8553]

Your wires are NOT to thin!..If anything they are WAY too thick. You need to use a lot more flux when soldering traces and you don't need to clean if off when you are done as long as the flux is not acid flux.Rosin flux will actually protect the traces from corrosion. The other problem you have is although you checked for continuity from each trace to each pin you did not check for shorts between the traces. Several of your wires looked like they could be shorted across each other. Also continuity test has NO polarity so reversing the probe leads does NOTHING.

[@sluggdiddyyddidgguls]

agreed.... but the words YOU choose to Capitalize can sometimes make YOU come off a little too much like a DICK rather than a helpful internet person.

[@TheCrystalGlow]

sluggdiddy most likely, this is the intent of that person. Most people act quite high and mighty when in actuality they are not.

[@rich1051414]

"Also continuity test has NO polarity so reversing the probe leads does NOTHING." Unless you are testing across a capacitor. In which case, you may get (false) continuity only in one direction.

[@damiencgreen]

Well a continuity test does have polarity when testing a diode.

[@Imnotimportant555]

I recommend using solder wick or desoldering braid as it does not remove the pads as much or as bad a those desoldering pumps. You should also consider making a discord group so that you can post problems and let us try and help you.

[@Mymatevince]

Yeah, when watching the video back I think the solder pump might have lifted or helped to lift the pads for the ROM but it is so quick and nice to use!!! To be honest I don't know anything about Discord, I am thinking the problem with the Discord group is that sometimes a video might take me a whole day or more because of school runs, interruptions, Google searches etc. so the group wouldn't be able to hang around to see the outcome without being bored. I might have my idea of Discord completely wrong though :-)

[@Imnotimportant555]

My Mate VINCE worth a try at least. A discord group can be a great way for the many of people that watch your videos to help give their opinions on what the problem could be.

[@Mymatevince]

I think it is a great idea and others have mentioned it in the past. For me it would work better when I get better at this stuff and can possibly fix something live in 1 hour or so. Hopefully if my skills improve it can be something that could be looked into :-)

[@Imnotimportant555]

There is a person on youtube named louis rossmann. he does microsoldering day in and out on macbooks. basically the same stuff you are trying to do in some of your other videos. watch a few of his video to get an idea on how he does the microsoldering and chip reflowing

[@RetroGamesBoy78]

Those Tengen boards are notorious for going wrong, many Tengen games such as Grind Stormer & Gauntlet now reside on a Sega board because the Tengen board often failed because they were made so cheaply so people choose to put the rom chip onto a compatible Sega board as they are far more reliable. Because of this I do wonder if your original rom chip is actually working?

[@astroblitzcreations]

Omg i was right there with you when the text first came on the screen I yelled at my phone every looked at me weird lol

[@StormsparkPegasus]

Wow, that's an amazing amount of effort for a worthless game. Though, I understand that you do this more for the challenge of fixing broken stuff, and it's more about that than what you're fixing. Great job.

[@Mymatevince]

Thank you :-)

[@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan]

Well done :) Congratulations.

[@CLC-1000]

Great video Vince.

[@Mymatevince]

Thank you :-)

[@CLC-1000]

You’re welcome.

[@CharlieEdward25]

love these mate great job i watch more of youtube now then tv lol

[@restlessnative7180]

I really enjoy your "How to repair" videos, and I'm certainly no expert in this field. However, you should maybe watch some of Big Clive's (BigClivedotcom) which could help you hone your skills. Congrats, well done and keep the vids coming. (PS, any chance on how to repair a gearbox on a Citroen C4 Grand Picasso)

[@sxdtoast9025]

im addicted to ur vids

[@MirceaD28]

I believe there are shops where you can make you a copy of the PCB. So you can have a new PCB.

[@frankhovis]

There are also shops where you can buy replacement PCB, just swap the chip and capacitors over retroelectronik.com/en/cartmodding/69-sega-megadrive-genesis-replacement-pcb-for-prototype-test-or-cart-modding.html

[@nukemanmd]

I was wondering if replacement PCBs were available. Thanks to Frank Hovis I know where to find them. While I admire Vince's persistence, I'm not sure that his repair will be very durable. Hope I am wrong.

[@TheGuitarModder]

Nice one vince. I hope you've learned that your soldering iron is way too hot. That's why yer wrecking all the solder pads on the board.

[@stevenhoneyman]

I’d like to see you post the suspect broken ROM to GadgetUK164 for him to attempt to read back and see if it was faulty or whether it was the board all along

[@Mymatevince]

That is a good idea :-) I will ask him if he wants it. Thank you

[@BrandonFreemanAwesome]

I'd be interested to see if the original rom chip works on another board. I buy a lot of used carts that don't work off of ebay, and 9 times out of 10, I only have to reflow the solder on each pin and everything works fine. Over the years, solder joints will expand and contract with temperature. They won't look like they are a cold solder join or anything, but they will form micro-cracks and cause a short. Based on the general condition of the PCB, I'd say that the cart has seen a lot of temperature fluctuation.

[@Mymatevince]

Hi, on the original video I did heat up and apply a new bit of solder to each joint but it didn't make any difference. I have tested the mask ROM when it was detached from the board and it is shorted from the voltage pin to most of the right hand sides pins so Chris from GadgetUK164 thinks it has an internal short with either the pull up resistors or transistors that failed.

[@Lunatic3984]

I love your music, please don't change that

[@Mymatevince]

Thank you :-)

[@Rob.Coleman]

👍 for your dedication. Nice work.

[@TheCrystalGlow]

So, a hot air gun on low airflow, lower heat and solder braid is probably the best way to remove solder from through-hold solder joints.

[@dph9885]

EMOTIONAL ROLLERCOASTER. I cried at 32:29 like I was watching Lion King.

[@richardhudson3014]

Great job you got it working

[@KimeESP]

32:29 That satisfaction.

[@naytch2003]

Awesome effort you two;)

[@Cra1gst]

Well gone if that didn't work that would even bug me till you fix it !!!

[@stracciatella2782]

Maybe you have to lengthen that one electrode that you shortened because of its damage. It could be the reason why you have to lift the game cartridge a little for better contact.

[@GabrielAndroczky]

How do you know your original chip is toast? I guess for the same reasons this one didn't work, the original chip might have not worked too... I'm pretty sure the original chip has no problems whatsoever and that it was just a question of corroded vias, scraped traces and bad contact for the capacitor...I don't know if you can get blank PCB-s to DIY cartridges yourself, but I would definitely give that chip another chance in a good PCB!

[@Mymatevince]

I could put it into the Golden Axe cart to test it. Problem is I heated the hell out of it as a last ditch attempt to fix it at the end of the 1st video. It also made a popping noise which probably isn't healthy for it :-)

[@GabrielAndroczky]

oh yes, I totally forgot that :((( That was a bad move. I'd try to get some blank PCB-s anyway and give it a try, it doesn't hurt... at least you will know for sure it it's OK or dead for good... it it's dead, you can still get new EPROMs to fill up the PCB-s... could be a neat thing I guess.

[@KorAllRBare]

Not sure if they're still readily available or not, But did you know there is a product that has stick on PCB Tracks? Might still pay to see if you can get a pack which BTW are not that expensive - well when I got them serveral decades ago, Anyway they are an absolute must for hobbies such as ours, and they truly do work even for surface remounting.. Never told you yet but I Subscribed.. I couldn't find a link to PayPal you.. sigh~So I guess the $100 bucks will go else where, Might pay for you to look into setting that up ASAP..

[@oldscoolgaming.5040]

Nice work! another one saved from the bin " )

[@jclark2752]

Vince's music is my favorite part. :)

[@SPEXWISE]

12:40 sexy cartridge explanation

[@richardanderson5424]

You need to practice soldering and desoldering on some scrap boards. I damaged some brand new boards when I first started work. Ther weee were a few mods that I was trying to do but I basically wrote the boards off. Don’t use too much heat especially on semiconductors (chips and transistors diodes).

[@ReadyBeforeYou]

All my games have to sit right, because I have the original NES with paperboy. I have to stick the game in and slot another one right above it. Usually takes some wiggling and a slight pull to the front of the system. I'm not brave enough to open my 2 and see what the problem is. Even though they hold no value in money, they're valuable to me, because it's what gave my dad hours of fun, along with my sister and I. Wizards & Warriors is my favorite, right along with paperboy.