Tube - Train - Guard

[@Hickupoflife]

I miss these 62 stock trains when they ran on the Central up2 the early mid 90s. The seats was comfy and also the booth seats was comfy especially with the elbow rest.

[@markylon]

This brings back many happy memories, I remember the guard used to press the button to close the guard door, but would hold it open with his foot, and then when he'd looked out for the required amount of time, he'd pull his foot it to let the door shut. I also remember the buttons were curved and the cut in and out buttons felt different and when pushed the other one would come out. I used to play with the buttons when the guard was operating in another carriage. The buttons weren't active but to me as a kid they were. I also remember using the seat when the train was packed, you could flip the lever and let it drop down. I can hear the noises of those buttons and the doors as if it was yesterday and the smell. Also the guard was supposed to have his bar up and it was always forbidden to exit or board via the guard door when in operation. I also remember the light on the top of the train which also indicated that the doors were closed. You could also see the filament on the blue light inside. Some used to have a book to read between stations. Sometimes the brakes would pop and the train would stop. haha good times

[@davidprice6994]

now thats what i call an underground train.used to watch the guards a lot when i was younger back in the 70s/80s miss them a lot.

[@riverhuntingdon6659]

Certainly is ! Clonk ! Rumble Rumble Crash ! Doors closed. Blue lamp on. Then "Tink" on the starting bell and then Clonk Click tick tick tick as the reverser threw and the line switch closed and then the camshaft notched up. Happy days. You'd to look out as the train pulled away to make sure no-one was dragged. FAR safer than the way ALL doors, including the "conductor's" one, MUST be shut now before you even move on the new plastic mainline trains. As an old fart used to driving MK1 EMU trains on what was the Southern Region, I was always worried about that on the ghastly 375s that replaced our reliable old units. Glad I'm retired. Alas the Underground lines went all driver only operation years ago and it won't be long before the mainlines are the same.

[@unforgetablestew]

Remember Guards on the Northern Line in the mid 90's.

[@NickJay]

Me, too. For years as a kid I was fascinated by them and used to watch and ask questions. They never seemed to mind. A couple of times I was even allowed to press the buttons and signal the driver etc, albeit under strict supervision from the guard. If only there were still guard jobs, I might have been tempted to move down south again and apply! :)

[@petergriffin3194]

Sorry but this is what I call a ghetto

[@warweezil2802]

@@NickJaysomewhere in the USA there's a guy who was on holiday here and had his photo taken standing in the cab doorway of a D78 at Plaistow wearing my hat and jacket. They were looking in the back cab when we reversed and after he asked a few questions about the train and the guards job I said to his parents he really needed a photo to remember the day by. He seemed really pleased 😁

[@nicholasmorgan9237]

I used to travel on these trains in 1962 when I was a schoolboy, I remeber they were all brand new and I was very impressed .

[@simoncollins6248]

Loved that. I miss those days of the old trains. I used to love watching the guard as a kid, loved the smell too of the old trains. HA! I even played guards at home pretending to be a guard, down to every detail.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Did you notice how in one scene we can see into the next car and that it had a sticky door that took its time to close - and when it finally did so it was with a thump? Oh and the two blue coloured pilot lights (one each panel) only illuminated after that door had finally closed.

[@simoncollins6248]

Hahaha! Yes, I remember the doors always sticking!

[@azure2130]

Haha, i do that to, but not always london

[@jackmartinleith]

Same here. I used the coloured lids from Smarties tubes and low voltage bulbs to simulate the indicator lamps. Before the introduction of the push button panels seen in the video, the guard had a key that worked a rotating door-control switch, with various positions from (let's say) west to north to east. The same key fitted the master switch, table (for white enamel tea flask - the lid served as a cup) and seat.

[@simoncollins6248]

@@jackmartinleith I didn't know that! Impressed with your smarties lids and voltage bulbs. Mine was just imagining.

[@josephlonsdale7687]

Brings back memories of travelling to work and back in central London in the late 1980's

[@MrWillibaldvongluck1]

Thanks for posting. I can almost smell the Atmosphere in the lovely shaky carriage. I miss the sounds, all those amazing noises, like the compressor, the banging of the doors and the moan of the electric motors. Everything now is so bloody insulated, sanitised and squeaky clean. The only place I want insulated and squeaky clean is my draughty and dirty old house...

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

different world... in some ways better, in some ways less good.

[@q1164]

Believe me, they were worse to work on .... Filthy , brake dust smell ....nice ....not.

[@tph2558]

I was once traveling on the tube in the 70,s and the guard had fallen asleep in the passengers saloon I thought he had just maybe closed his eyes but no he was fast asleep so after a couple of minitues I had to waken him up he was very appologetic but it must have held all the system up

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

+tommey tucker such happens! Possibly this was near the end of his shift.

[@danwoodhouse9290]

You should have left him asleep and done the doors open and close routine yourself! it was a piss easy enough job, press 2 to open, press 1 in the middle to close, check the pilot light, press the signal - so easy a 5 year old could have done. Shame i never got to do it though - by the time i turned 18 in 1998 guards were only on the Northern Line and decreasing rapidly

[@Zlervo]

Watching these videos makes me so happy. Brings back good memories.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

A great vid. It reminds me of my own one uploaded that i took of a Central Line guard although he was a friend and let me film him working the doors and opening all those flaps ect in the guards gangway....It reminds me of my time as a guard on the Bakerloo, Jubillee & even a short time on the Central.....happy days!

[@pmk2000]

Thank you for sharing of this vintage footage.

[@collieultimo]

Interesting video - I love films from that time. I left GB 1973, but came back very often to visit family or friends or as tourist. When I think back of London tube, these are the trains I remember.

[@HarishDharmapalan]

I wish I could have been born earlier and lived through these days as an 18 year old and experience what London Underground trains were like back at the time. The old trains are fun to ride on with the track hitting noise and bumpy ride. First time I came to London was in 2011 and that time was still the same when I went on the 1973 stock from Arnos Grove to Bounds Green and the noise started blasting out loud as it went through the tunnel. The A stock were in process of replacement and the C and D stocks were still running and all were good in their coloured poles. But where does now happen with London Underground? Tracks have been upgraded and are not noisy and bumpy anymore, all old sub surface rollingstock has been replaced by shitty S stocks that sound weird and have no displayed colour poles for their lines. Then in the next decade will have the 1972, 1973 and 1992 stocks out of service which will result in the new boring high capacity trains for London. Wish these old days would come back. Unfortunately it won't as I wish.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

ah but then I could say the same about the locomotive hauled trains on the Metropolitan Line, the Q stock trains where almost every train looked different, the North London Lines having the most comfortable trains in London, mainline railways before the wholesale closures, the Liverpool Overhead Railway, trams and trolleybuses in many major towns and cities...

[@HarishDharmapalan]

Yeah true that. What was most important to me was the track hitting noise on the North Circular Road and then the tunnel getting the 1973 tube train loud blast from Arnos Grove to Bounds Green in June/July 2011. When I went last year in October/November it sounded like nothing after that it was more smooth and less noisy. When was the North Circular Road train bridge built from Arnos Grove to Bounds Green? Do u have any videos of riding on the train from those stations?

[@riverhuntingdon6659]

The old trains had character. Sadly the new plastic generic ones used on the main line and underground now don't.I worked as a motorman on the old District line R stock, and the co/cp trains too, and then went to BR southern region. The older designs such as the 1972,1973 tube trains sound good to this day. On the mainline side, the 313,314/315,507,508's do too, as do the Wessex 442's, and Class 455's which though they look newish, use English Electric motors. The BREL 317s, 319s, and 321's also sound like an old electric unit . Sadly not one of the old Southern Region EMU sets is preserved in working order. The health and safety killjoys saw to that.

[@riverhuntingdon6659]

Q stock was lovely. All those different body styles in one train made for a decidely odd train ! I feel the same way you do about what we have lost. It wasn't that long ago that a couple of Lancashire&Yorkshire motor trucks from an old 1916 1200V DC unit were simply scrapped as they cleared out the depot at Bury when the 504's had finished, to name just one type casually just thrown away. The same with our Hastings Trams, and Trolleybuses.

[@Lynxfan2]

Here are the traction motor types for Classes 313 - 319, 321 and 507/508: * Class 313 - GEC G310BZ traction motors * Class 315 - Brush TM61-53 or GEC G310BZ traction motors * Class 317 - GEC G315BZ traction motors (THYRISTOR CONTROL) * Class 319 - GEC G315BZ traction motors (GTO CHOPPER CONTROL) * Class 321 - Brush TM2141C traction motors * Class 507 - GEC G310BZ traction motors * Class 508 - Brush TM61-53 or GEC G310BZ traction motors Although both Class 317 and Class 319 feature the same traction motors, however due to different control equipment, the traction motors sound different. The Class 317 makes a moaning sound when as it departs from a station or a signal change from red to either caution or green aspect, similar to a Class 321, whilst the Class 319 make a whining sound.

[@MrBebro2]

Wow this was a blast from the past I was a guard on the Northern line based at Golders Green working 1959 and 1972 stock until 1999 when train stock went driver only...wow this brings back so much good memories

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Hello, thanks for your comment - in the early 1990's I worked near Debden station and knowing that new trains were coming I decided to film some memories... this was actually filmed around 5:30 - 6pm during a weekday rush hour - in those days the other reaches of the Central line was not that busy.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@lukespencer91 I think so, yes. Guards could drive trains anyway - this was part of their basic training, in case of emergency.

[@q1164]

👍

[@chrisrowe7503]

Most of the guards who were made redundant from The Central Line and then The Northern Line automatically became drivers anyway.

[@petercdowney]

The views of the Essex countryside along the route of the Central line were actually the inspiration for Jill Barklem's Brambly Hedge!

[@AlexMetroman]

Excellent footage of the guard. It is interesting to see what they did in those days and I have finally learnt what the controls do now. I see why the LU introduced trains without guard stands to save a bit of money.

[@arcasey8388]

Now you dont see much guards on train and the tube barley uses guards now, because of guards people didnt get stuck in the doors because they checked the coaches and then close the door even though some drivers check through their window so they dont get delayed

[@iantrack]

Great footage. My Dad was a guard then motorman on the central line for many years. I used to regularly travel on the old 62 stock. Thanks for uploading.

[@johnt4661]

I was a guard on those trains 83-89 and worked from West Ruislip Depot. Nice video brings back good memories.

[@06802300]

In the old days, before CCTV was installed inside the trains, the guards also provided a sense of security for passengers, particularly on the late trains.

[@bealine99]

Brilliant to see the guard doing his job properly. Opening and closing the doors was a tiny part of his responsibility - the observation as the train entered the platform and the observation of at least the first third of the platform on departure was critically important. You say the blue lamp indicated the doors were all "safely" closed which isn't true, and still isn't true on modern trains. The lamp merely indicates the doors have closed and operated an "interlock" circuit. A raincoat belt, a handbag or backpack strap, the hem of a lady's skirt etc can, and do, get caught between the doors and the "interlock" lamp still glows brightly. The guard's observation was essential to yank the emergency brake handle if something was amiss. It is possible for a parent, or a child, travelling together to be come separated - one on the train, one on the platform and a shout to the guard was enough for the train to be halted. Sadly, driver only operation leaves the onus on the customers, busy with their newspapers, headphone music, Facebook, KZbin etc, to operate the Emergency Stop if something's amiss. As if!!!

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Yes you make some very valid points about safety, items trapped in doors, etc. I do not favour driver only operation of 12 car trains... I think they are too long for supervising safe station departure. Shorter trains however are something else.

[@RBenjo21]

Sensitive edge doors were invented as a result, I believe. Although they first encountered teething problems because they were too safe in a way, and caused delays all the time. Nowadays, they've refined the sensitive edge so that tugs from the inside are deemed safe, but tugs from the outside will still prevent the train moving.

[@q1164]

Naughty guard ..... Only observed less than one third of the platform when leaving the station ..... Sat in the passenger part of the train, left the guards bar down .... . At least he didn't double bell (IE keep his finger on the bell when the doors were closing) causing the drivers signal to Ting twice because of the bouncing doors .... I ran a train Epping to onger and had the outside door indicator lights stay on with the pilot light blue !! DLM tried to get me to keep it in service 😲.... Yeah righty o lol.

[@mel4333]

I wish I could turn the clock back. Life was much easier then. Today's living with all the modern technology is not a happy one. I used to travel on these trains in the 50s.

[@jasonfernee2401]

The fact there was nobody on the rural Essex line sadly shows why it was closed. Now, people would love that back.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

happily this section of railway is still very much open, it was filmed at a quiet time of day to try and ensure that the trains were not too busy, as I wanted to film the trains and not the passengers! (mostly filmed Epping - Debden) What closed was the Epping Ongar route

[@warweezil2802]

Every guard “bridged” the open buttons but this was something that was frowned upon, I was warned by my road trainer to be certain not to do it on my practical test with the area manager when I was training on the northern line. Also hilarious was the “phone”... this type was almost impossible to hear. Great stock tho, fun to drive, Westinghouse worked quite well, and in terms or sturdiness I’m certain. It will outlast the plastic crud they are running now

[@FART-REPELLENT]

Until the introduction of the D.78 Stock, the driver’s cabs of previous batches of Underground trains were miserable environments to work in; however drivers cab interiors really improved from the 1992 TS onwards.

[@warweezil2802]

@ For me, the D stock was the last decent train built for LT. (Also the 83 tube Stock) the single leaf doors were not ideal but I had many happy days on the back before OPO plunged us lowly Guards into the depths of deep level tubes. There was en experimental drivers seat fitted to a couple of 72 mk1s on the Northern around late 86 which despite taking up a fair amount of space made sitting down to drive a lot more comfortable, the standard "seat" was just not fit to be called a seat.

[@61264david]

This as my first job on the London Underground at Hainault Depot from 1983 till 1987

[@kinkisharyocoasters]

Is that the time period when the ticket machines had a button for every station?

[@johnjephcote7636]

When I was at college in Kentish Town 1969-72, the Northern Line red 1938 stock was all guard operated.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

when I was a teenage schoolboy I travelled on those trains!

[@VirreFriberg]

Seems like a fairly easy yet interesting job!

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

yes but you had to be willing to work early and late shifts plus some weekends - being a guard was sometimes seen as a stepping stone to being a driver

[@robinhood7874]

THEY STILL HAD GUARDS IN THE 90'S. REMEMBER GOING TO SCHOOL ON THE NORTHERN LINE

[@bfapple]

Robin Hood Northern line was the last line on LU to have guards.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@JaJaWalker2007 Yes the Overground uses guards, and the Docklands Light Railway also uses a 'Train Captain' whose duties include the opening / closing of the train's doors.

[@metadyneman]

Oh more 62 stock like this please. Superb mate.. I really do miss these trains and all the associated noises that went with them. Excellemt filming.

[@LewisCollard]

I remember the guards on these trains, on the Central Line! Many years ago, in my single-digit years when I was first allowed to ride the tube alone, my mum always told that being near the guard on the train was safe if I got in trouble. So, I tended to stay near the guards. I didn't get in trouble, but I do remember a very kind guard telling me about the meanings of the numbers on the ends of the carriages. Don't remember the meanings of the numbers, but I'll always remember that guy.

[@Boypogikami132]

That guard is most likely dead or is retired but what a gentleman!

[@EssexWolf1993]

The signal from the guard to let the driver know when the doors were shut was a ''ting'' sound. I know this because it was on a Central Line DEV DVD by Video 125.

[@q1164]

Correct 👍

[@FA7273]

Good to see the Guard working a train. I was a guard for the NSWGR.....still have them here in Sydney...dont know for how long though....yhere is talk..again..

[@benperry7726]

I remember the northern line train like that. we lived in Clapham common. This was in the late 80s to early 90s.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

yes, may parents always said to stay near the guard, although on some trains the guard travelled in the rear cab - rather than in the passenger area.

[@mikecawood]

I remember the Tube Guards, they had a metal bar to put in place to keep the peasants sorry passengers out of the guard's area. I remember 1938 Stock (Northern & Bakerloo Lines) and Standard Stock (Piccadilly Line).

[@formulacountdown]

In the last carriage on the A stock, you can see these features - and the panels covering the buttons have been badly nailed in place!

[@Actionlocation]

I worked those train 1980-1986. I worked out of White City depot

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@iantrack I should have uploaded this ages ago - the footage has been on my pc for years, its just that noticed it on Thursday and decided that it would be quick and easy to make. I have six (6) other films in the works, plus lots more videotape which still needs digitising.

[@joelaitchison3147]

In Sydney Australia we still have guards on trains.

[@MrSam4850]

So do most places for now. The London Underground is a metro system. Most heavy rail services in the UK still operate with a guard...

[@HarishDharmapalan]

Brisbane does as well.

[@ElectricMotive]

We have to have guards on trains in Sydney, 1000 people on a single train is alot. Plus I wouldn't want to be the only member of staff on a train Stopping at Mt Druit

[@Busman500PTEnthusiast]

Melbourne australia has no guard train driver opens closes doors

[@ElectricMotive]

i never knew that

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@CoachAlex1996 Thanks Alex. At one time the deep level tube trains had a member of staff controlling the doors at every car end, its only when air operated sliding doors became reliable that they were able to reduce the train crew to just two. The 'sub-surface' lines were different, as they originally used hand operated 'slam' doors leading to individual compartments just like most other railways.

[@cyberknue1598]

'62 stocks to '72 was on my opinion the best of deep surface tube stocks

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

One unexpected / unplanned film of the 1962 stock shows the RAT (rail adhesion train / "leaves on the line" which I filmed on Monday this week, 19th November 2012. In due course there will be at least one more film showing these trains.. and allowing you to hear them. These tranis can also be seen and heard in some of my films from Stratford station.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@DeanieBoi07 I think it is true that train drivers find modern trains more comfortable.

[@q1164]

The old style was.more comfy with the dead man's handle .... The new trains have an awkward push out and turn handle.

[@FART-REPELLENT]

@@q1164The controller inside D Stock driver’s cabs was the best.

[@SiVlog1989]

Crazy to think that just a few years after the 62 stock came into service, the Victoria line was built and the 67 stock was totally different to the 62's. (Semi) Automatic trains, no guards and just an operator/driver at the front of the trains

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

The Victoria line trains were all first used on the Hainault - Woodford section of the Central line, as they all needed testing to ensure that their automated train control system was working correctly. Since the final mainline trains only ceased using the route to Epping in 1970 it means that automated trains and BR diesel passenger trains travelled on the same section of railway! (between Woodford station and Woodford Junction where the route to Hainault diverges). However the first automated trains were the experimental 1960 tube stock and automated train control started at a time when BR goods trains still served goods depots at several stations east of Leytonstone. So automated trains and pick-up goods really did use the same tracks - and in those days this included goods trains running to Hainault (and possibly even Newbury Park) via Woodford. I suspect that by then the BR trains were all hauled by diesel locomotives. But it *might* be that a steam locomotive travelled on these lines at that time too. What I also do not know is whether the goods trains were still running when the Victoria line trains started using this line.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@metadyneman I need to search to see if I have any more and then digitise it! But before then I have 6 films in the works, including something with the CO - CP - R - Q38 stocks (alas silent only, still image and moving films). I need a month of 72 hour days!!! Simon

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@formulacountdown oh boy, what a question... in short I do not know. As far as I've heard no passenger ever fell out of train in the days of hand opened sliding doors which in hot weather were also left open between stations. However, I feel sure that at least once a guard was killed when a train left a station platform / entered the tunnel and their head hit the wall next to the tunnel mouth. Its the stuff of horror films - the body is on the train but the head is on the station platform.

[@harryelliott4310]

Central Line 1962 Tube Stock

[@joshuahalla.k.a.controlla6333]

Great video. ☺️

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Thanks! 😊

[@joshuahalla.k.a.controlla6333]

@@CitytransportInfoplus Ur welcome.☺️

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

sorry, as far as I can tell, the only other footage I have are a few still images and a few scenes of the guard on what is now the 1938 Tube Stock 'Heritage' train. apologies for the long delay in replying Simon

[@oludotunjohnshowemimo434]

I know 1959, 1962 and 1972mk1 had guard panel controls when they served the Central and Northern lines back then.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Yes, and the 1938, Standard stock, A, R and CP. But the C, D and CO had guards panels in the cabs.

[@notleks2411]

We have these trains on the Isle of Wight now. :)

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

+Dan Skelton actually you have 1938 Tube Stock trains on the IOW, not these.

[@73APhotography]

I think that these were measured alongside various other tube trains however they were either too wide or too tall. I'm not 100% certain though

[@KevinRBoyd]

Dimensions of 1959 and 1962 stock (the latter seen in this video) would be very similar to 1938 stock used on the Isle of Wight. What dictated the use of 1938 stock was initial availability at the time the decision was taken to update Isle of Wight rolling stock. The loading gauge of IoW is limited in the tunnel at Ryde, which used to be large enough for reduced height main line trains.

[@doveronefoxtrot4417]

citytransportinfo They would have made an acceptable replacement for the Ryde tunnel I think ? But I'm guessing all have long been scrapped now ? Something of a missed opportunity there I feel.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@formulacountdown I managed to take a few photos before they were covered over! I nearly used them in this film, but will wait until its time for a tribute to the A stock. Happily its too soon for that right now. Simon

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@secondlifeundergroun I bought the camcorder in December 1989, so this footage would be from the mid 1990's. Nowadays its all history, as the Central Line uses different trains and throughout the Underground system the train drivers now control the passenger doors. Simon

[@doveronefoxtrot4417]

I'd liked to have seen these on island line, but they missed the opportunity, now they are down to just one 1938 stock running due to technical issues.

[@NC-002]

Once again, nice video. I believe after closer inspection that the train you were riding in the video was unit 1406, isn't that a Rail Adhesion Unit?

[@JeffsTagtripp]

Interesting movie. Thanks!!!

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@DeanieBoi07 what sort of downsides???

[@NoddyMaccy]

@citytransportinfo Well, I was talking to a member of staff who used to be a guard on these trains and he said they were noisey, uncomfortable and the seats were damp, the lights weren't very good and the trains had their mechanical faults, like all other trains, but he said they were uncomortable to work on and horrible. I know a lot of people aren't fans of the 92 stock but in his words "Compared to these trains, the 92 stock are heaven to work on"

[@NoddyMaccy]

As much as I would love to ride on one of these trains, I heard they had many downsides.

[@videodoodler]

Who controls the doors now if not a guard? Does the driver do both jobs? All the trains in Sydney still run with guards.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

On the Underground all trains are single person operated - the train driver also opens / closes the doors. On the mainline railway some services are single person operated and some still have guards who open / close the train's doors.

[@zigwey]

Much appreciated simon.

[@thbe51]

I wonder if this was filmed at the Epping - Ongar branch?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Hello, thanks for watching and commenting - not the Epping - Ongar branch but when I filmed this I used to work near Debden and sometimes made local journeys after work, especially in the summer. I very much think that the station where the doors opened on the right would have been Loughton. The station where the doors on the left could have been anywhere in that area. Regards, Simon

[@AppleOranges12]

Does the guard button have an emergency brake button or lever that can stop the train in case the guard spots a dangerous situation as the train pulls away? The driver would obviously be unaware of anything unfolding on the platform whilst the guard could see the whole train.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

yes- to the right of the door to the next tube car is a red emergency stop device

[@frankiii9165]

1:05 That characteristic sound where is generated from? Batteries? It's quite relaxing!

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I am not sure, sorry.

[@EM-yk1dw]

I recall a Guard was killed somewhere watching ladies as the train left the platform. He unfortunately collided with the tunnel headwall.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I've heard of that type of thing happening. It was very rare, fortunately.

[@EM-yk1dw]

citytransportinfo Apparently it happened a few times. When I was a Guard on the Central Line we were always told dont watch the ladies down the platform as the headwall comes up rather quickly!

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Oh yes, although very rare it was more than once; however because this was such a gruesome thing to happen so I've never been curious enough to want to know how many times altogether.

[@EM-yk1dw]

citytransportinfo Very sad. Underground and Guards job was a great time in my railway career.

[@Ass_Burgers_Syndrome]

Yeah we were told that too! When were you on the Central? I did my road training based out of White City after passing out up the school in Jan 90. Put in for White City as my home depot but got sent to East Finchley, bastards. As soon as I got there I put in for a transfer back to WC. They used to do that to new recruits all the time just to piss them off. Anyway, I loved it as a guard, great job. I only put in for driver because they were getting rid of guards on the Central

[@zigwey]

@citytransportinfo do you have any other footage of the gaurd in action ?

[@jsma9999]

thanks

[@robeycleaverland2155]

Why did that train guard still open when the train moving? Absolutely dangerous, should be guard place of front by train driver with guard control it is... To be honest that train door going to slam so hard isn't it! 🤕

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Guards frequently opened the doors a second or two before the train had fully stopped - especially in the rush hours when every second counted in getting as many trains running as possible. A problem with newer trains is that the computers wait a second or even two before opening the doors - passengers detest this (especially at stations with cross-platform interchanges and the 'other' train is at the platform) and these extra seconds all add up, reducing the number of trains that can be run, hence increase overcrowding.

[@robeycleaverland2155]

@@CitytransportInfoplus I see, quite ugly things working at islt! Nice video thought.

[@NoddyMaccy]

@citytransportinfo Depends really, the guy complaining was a guard until the 92's rolled out. Some people complain about the modern trains also as they become more unreiable with new technology.

[@kinkisharyocoasters]

Where did they have selective door operation in that era, hence the "cutout" switches? Was it the same on the Northern Line as it is today at Moorgate, Clapham, etc? I know the subsurface trains didn't need it before S stock

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

A stock trains also had selective door opening. Used at Barbican and possibly Great Portland Street and maybe local stations between Finchley Road and Wembley Park. Maybe also some platforms at Baker Street (I am not sure). As for stations served by the tube trains, sorry but here too I do not remember. Euston (Bank branch) and Moorgate need this 'today' so I assume that they did back then too. Many of the Northern Line stations built in the 1930's had platforms designed for 9 car trains, as did those on the routes which were successfully converted from steam trains. (I'm not sure about platform lengths on the ill-fated Finsbury Park - Alexandra Palace route).

[@q1164]

Some platforms needed the end doors cut out due to being slightly shorter .

[@bigsebby3799]

So, y did they stop using guards?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

money ... one member of staff on each train is cheaper than two!

[@kinkisharyocoasters]

After the doors shut, I saw the conductor (what we call them in the US) press the fourth button to the left, does that notify the operator that the train is clear to proceed? Like a buzzing signal? Very few systems still have conductors, New York is one, as is the PATH train linking it to New Jersey, where they also stand in the open but without any bars like here, plus Tokyo and Toronto.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Yes, the button which has the ridge around it is one that is pressed to tell the train driver that it is time to take the train out of the station. Did you note that both of the guard's panels have blue lights? These illuminate when the passenger doors are closed and is how the guard knows that it is safe to press the 'signal' button. Did you also note how the guard had to simultaneously press two buttons to open the passenger doors? Oh and that the buttons were not directly next to each other, rather they were separated by the close button? The need for two opening buttons was to reduce the risk of accidentally opening the doors, for instance when the guard meant to only open his door. btw, all this is ancient history nowadays. The only Underground train which I can think of which still has a guard who controls the doors in this way is the 1938 tube stock heritage train and this is only used on special occasions. On all 'present-day' trains the train driver controls the passenger doors as well. There are also extra safety systems which ensure that the doors will only on the correct side of the train (ie: which has the platform!) and that the train must have come to an absolute stop. The latter feature reduces line capacity as in the old days the guards would open the doors a second or so before the train had stopped, which helped reduce overall stop dwell times... and the cumulative effect of all the one or two seconds saved (ie: the less time spent stopped at stations) meant that an extra train (or several extra trains) could be used during the rush hours.

[@kinkisharyocoasters]

citytransportinfo I understand there was supposed to be a gong that went off notifying the driver, based on what I've read. But were passengers able to hear it?

[@Ass_Burgers_Syndrome]

Passengers in the leading car near the driver could hear the bell when it was sounded by the guard. They could also hear him talking on the train radio, or if he was singing to himself to relieve the boredom.

[@hollyhamilton3094]

Typically in older stocks it rang a bell. The way sound travels through the air means that most people in the vicinity can hear it.

[@josephafc8370]

Still the same on the 1938 stock on the islandline.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

yes, but not for much longer - I hope to visit; exactly when remains to be seen - I was going to come this year but (so far) the virus pandemic lockdown has stopped me.

[@josephafc8370]

@@CitytransportInfoplus I am sure you will get a chance mate. No changes will be made this year all though the new stock starts arriving in September. I am lucky enough to live over here.

[@secondlifeunderground]

VERY interesting! is this London in the 70's?

[@TheKinggeorge18]

Was some of the footage taking the central line ongar branch by any chance?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

At the time I worked near Debden station - this was filmed at and between several stations on the Essex section of the Central line, but not the Ongar branch.

[@TheKinggeorge18]

Ok thx

[@jonah6404]

Hey I heard that a guard was killed on the train

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I've heard that this did happen, albeit very rarely. What I was told is that it was when a train was leaving a station - the guard did not bring his head inside before the train reached the end of the platform.

[@jonah6404]

@@CitytransportInfoplus That sounds nasty

[@formulacountdown]

Has a guard ever fallen out of a train?

[@danwoodhouse9290]

The story i heard was that one did for eyeing up a sexy girl

[@stwtranvids2078]

+citytransportinfo Should be designed for intercity use like the National Rail trains,not ideal for metro through.

[@jonniefc]

the ride quality towards the end looks really bad

[@sergiovisstahi8506]

Year??

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

hmm, I do not remember - in the early 1990s I worked near to Debden station and remember that one summer evening after work I went for a ride to film this as a personal souvenir of trains that were being replaced. But I am not sure exactly which year. Maybe 1992, 1993?

[@DANEBLUEGNOME]

Nickton Wakefield: Train Guard at the back is not good. Should put place at the front of train driver including guard door control with it. How dangerous, when the train is moving the door was slammed so hard! That's terrible. 😨😖

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

The train guard was at the back so that he could watch the train as it left the station in case a passenger had become trapped in the doors and about to be killed when the train enters the tunnel.

[@DANEBLUEGNOME]

@@CitytransportInfoplus How hell see this happen train guard good and bad to gone wrong!!... (Jeez, how to start the door hard slam closing it, when the train moving it is... Just is Bad!!)🤕

[@DANEBLUEGNOME]

@@CitytransportInfoplus Rebecca Woodford Gnome: Now, no more train guard. Because there is a new train better than old, because I think is too many mentions on an accident on Northern Line train. Now, being replaced with a new trains make way is more safer trains service better than the risk of stock in 1938. Just a sad it is now.

[@zitzong]

Did the guard do regular ticket inspections whilst on duty?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

+Aaron Hayward No, not on Underground trains.

[@victoriaburpitt1086]

no

[@danwoodhouse9290]

your getting confused with the DLR

[@tonyclifton265]

must have been a boring job but i guess you could get to read a lot of books

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

yes but reading is also frustrating when you have to stop every 2-3 minutes ... the constant interruptions mean that you cannot become engrossed in the story

[@scrdriver989]

Who is here from SCR?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Hello, I am curious ... what is the SCR?

[@scrdriver989]

@@CitytransportInfoplus it's a Roblox game, Calles Stepford County Railway

[@paulcowell7588]

Guard emergency motorman

[@hunsletmidland]

@hakc97isback it looks quite creepy. thank god london underground stations got refurbised

[@TheArkamedBat]

I hate Tube DOO trains