Turns out fans prefer everything else over "Live-Action Disney Plus Star Wars"

[@BerengarLex]

It's not the medium, it's the quality of the product.

[@Mouse_Metal]

It is definitely the medium. The animated glorified fanfics are overrated because stupid and absurd stuff and bad writing doesn´t stand out in a cheap animation as much is in realistical live action.

[@saberiandream316]

@@Mouse_Metal That would be the Filoni cult propping those up, the deluded fanboys who think Papa Cowboy can do no wrong. SMH

[@DarthKastos]

I would say it’s both medium and quality. Sequels were movies but pretty bad ones.

[@guilhermepupo2840]

​​@@Mouse_Metalthe books always going to be better than animated shows and movies, because have more character caracterization, character development, world building and plot have more time and just need to write there no way a animated series ou a star wars movie could be better than the books

[@bluemoondm8629]

@@guilhermepupo2840 Really? There's no way a Star Wars movie could be better than the books? So the original Trilogy is worse than all the EU books? That's ridiculous.

[@JGr2000]

Yeah because the live action shows have been incredibly hit or miss. The fact that we can go from something as bad as Kenobi to something as good as Andor is sad. Everything Disney puts out doesn’t need to be Andor levels of good, but we should be getting more hits than misses

[@dereklopez9060]

After Mandalorian Seasons 1 and 2 which were fantastic, that's where live action shows started to drop the ball really hard.

[@ralphyboy3636]

I even thought andor was kinda stupid. Ashoka could have been better. Book of Boba fett sucked ass. We won't even mention the others.

[@JGr2000]

@@ralphyboy3636 I feel the same way about the other shows. Ahsoka was superficially entertaining, but the writing was not good. I kinda feel the same way about Rise of Skywalker, but I think it was way worse than Ahsoka. At first I liked Rise of Skywalker, but after rewatching it a few months ago, my opinion on that movie has changed for the worse

[@ralphyboy3636]

@@JGr2000 I felt the 2 after the force awakens were a complete waste of film. BB8 carried the show. And that's a lot to ask of a little Droid.

[@DarthVexar]

It’s not like Andor is some masterpiece either.

[@richardsylvester4518]

"Oh. Theres a big suprise. I think im going to have a heart attack and die from that suprise."

[@hankskorpio5857]

Could not agree more 😂

[@jettjedi73]

Are you quoting Iago from Aladdin? Lol!

[@saberiandream316]

@@WyldStallion-bs9oo Plus the Ahsoka show was always going to be prone to the same old flaws Filoni's had since day one, which is rewriting the EU to be what he wants and disrespecting the source material.

[@StefSis]

You like suspense don't you.

[@stevena.7022]

Read in Gilbert Gottfried voice

[@captainDJ87]

Its wild as a frequent Disneyworld goer and SW Celebration attendee, there's barely any merchandise referencing the sequels. The company doesn't even support its own creation, yet is greenlighting a sequel. What a time to be alive!

[@saberiandream316]

At least the drama is quite entertaining. Gotta find your kicks where you can.

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

They know it won’t sell yet continue to try and glorify it. Typical hypocrisy.

[@ardendragoon]

That's because all the metch is at Ollie's. Nobody wants that trash.

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

This was a few years ago now but the CEO of Diamond toys (the owners of Giant Giant who make fantastic collectible busts) was pretty blunt in saying "We would very much love to make more products from the new movie. It’s not like we’re sitting behind our desk wringing our hands thinking how can we stick it to fans and not make busts they want that will make us money…right?? We just, as of yet, have not seen enough fans that would want to buy a bust have that personal affection for some of those new characters that makes sense to justify going to production."

[@captainDJ87]

@@lordcarnorjax8599 this is similar to how Hasbro couldn't even get the fan backing for the Reva lightsaber, so it never even went into production

[@Lord-Emperor-Vader]

Hey Thor I have a fun poll you can do for a May 4th video what was the era you got into Star Wars (I would say you can do Original Trilogy post Original Trilogy/ EU, Prequel Trilogy, Clone Wars/ Late EU and Disney Eras) and have people comment on early memories/ what got them into Star Wars

[@morganadamo4706]

Yea or a what kind of Star Wars fan are you

[@jcrazy9008]

That's a good idea if everyone is honest and we don't get-together many trolls. We can get a good idea of who watches the channel. And just because you started watching at a certain time doesn't mean that version of star wars is your favorite

[@CornyBum]

B-b-but I identify as a troll, and am a proud member of this community! :'(

[@vetarlittorf1807]

I remember when it was fun to wait for Star Wars. Printed media and video games were the things people waited for. I still remember how hyped I was for the Jaden Korr novels. Too bad we'll probably never get the conclusion of the trilogy.

[@saberiandream316]

Too bad we'll likely never get a new Legends novel. Lucasfilm is so vain and out of touch, it's heartbreaking.

[@cheshirekat8273]

Disney/Lucasfilm should've stuck with the "Spaghetti Western" model of Season 1 of The Mandalorian. The franchise would be in a very different state if everyone and their mom hadn't jumped on it and changed it to try and claim ownership of the thing.

[@CornyBum]

I would've gotten tired of the western approach, especially when it comes to the esthetic and storytelling tropes, but I do believe focusing on a largely episodic approach with Din Djarin remaining solitary for the most part as he hunts bounties, would've best pushed the show to its greatest potential.

[@noodlzzzz]

Y’all remember when episode 7 came out and everyone was insanely hyped. At that point we hadn’t gotten a live action movie for over a decade. I miss the days where Star Wars was special to the point that the content was scarce. Animation, books, comics, and video games were a great way to expand on the universe without leaving so much desire for live action. Now we kind of expect so much live action and when something comes out it feels like “meh another show” or “oh they announced another live action project cool ig.” Idk what the solution is to all this but I really hope one day it can get back to feeling special when live action projects come out.

[@dereklopez9060]

Episodes 1-6 plus Rogue One is all I need when it comes to live action. Animated shows ( plus Andor and not counting Resistance ) is all I need when it comes to shows.

[@malachiphoniex8501]

I personally add Mandalorian Seasons 1 and 2 to the mix, but I agree with you on everything else. Clone Wars and Rebels lead into each other so naturally (for obvious real world reasons), that technically I don't need anymore animated shows. However, Bad Batch and TOTJ have been fine additions to the animated-verse(?), fleshing out concepts, themes, and characters way more than I could've hoped. Thus, if the animated shows also fall of the deep end, at least I can rest happy that what I enjoy can be enjoyed by itself.

[@Jedi_Hush]

Solo was a good movie as well. Just sayin

[@malachiphoniex8501]

@SkepticalJedi Ahsoka is a complicated show for me. It's not as bad as the Sequels, Resistance, Obi-Wan Kenobi, or BOBF. However, it doesn't reach the level in which I consider it good either. There was some concepts and characters I liked, with some genuinely good moments, but comparing it to other shows that year (Andor, Visions S2, Bad Batch S2), it just falls short imo and feels more like a disappointment. Add to the disappointment of Mandalorian S3 and it just leaves me with an apathetic feeling towards the Mandoverse. Ahsoka S2, the Mandalorian movie, and the Heir to the Empire movie need to be perfect for me to stay invested in that era.

[@malachiphoniex8501]

@Jedi_Hush My only two complaints for Solo are the lack of sequels/spinoffs and the fact that I can't see what's happening sometimes. Otherwise, it's a great movie and I personally add it to the list, though it's technically not required viewing material.

[@kennyholmes5196]

@@Jedi_Hush Redundant is what it was. Also took all of the magic out of managing to do the Kessel Run in a distance of twelve parsecs.

[@shouayang6518]

Hey Thor, the only thing thats still keeping me into star wars is the Star wars vs 40k fan fiction made by Afanwithtoomuchtime. His series feel more star wars than what Disney could ever produce.

[@CornyBum]

Oh man, haha, that sounds really intriguing. Thanks.

[@Loki_Yogi]

For me, it's the writing. Which is why I went with the animated shows. I agree that there's something special and in its own category almost with watching a Star Wars movie on the big screen, especially IMAX, but the writing, voice acting, soundtrack (Kevin Kiner) etc.. is just top tier. I think I've re-watched The Clone Wars and Bad Batch at least 3 times. The only live-action show I've re-watched at all was Andor. 🙏

[@saberiandream316]

TCW is just dumbed down EU. The writing for those EU concepts was far better IN the EU.

[@GnosticGate]

Perhaps, that “feeling” you refer to - that the movies have and the live-actions don’t - is John Williams (or even Williams-esque) music.

[@TommyTucker74]

Star Wars to me is a mix of live action and legends content. Some of the live action shows I've enjoyed. But I'll finish buying all the Legends books before I buy any more of the "new" content. After TLJ, I flat out refused to buy any more Disney era content. I own about half of all the Legends books, and I'm perfectly fine never buying anything else once I've completed the collection.

[@saberiandream316]

Buy the Young Jedi Knights and Jedi Apprentice books. Also Jedi Quest and Junior Jedi Knights.

[@MrDakdude]

I stopped consuming disney star wars after ahsoka and have recently been picking up the old EU books whenever I see them... what can I say... so good! Just finished Heir to the Empire and I am actually excited about star wars. I have picked up 16 books, so will have quality star wars content for quite a while. Weird to feel excited for star wars haha

[@finrodbrs]

Your point about animation having advantages over live action for some imagery is spot on. Example from the Prequels: every Grievous fan is extremely disappointed with his portrayal in Revenge of the Sith because the in 2D Clone Wars he was an unstoppable monster. However, a practical reason that Obi-wan cuts 2 of his hands off in short order is that it's much easier to have a four-armed warrior fight in animation (whether 2d or 3d) than it is in live action.

[@paveldatsyuk8268]

I've only ever seen the Disney movies in theatres but I'm going to see TPM on May 4th in IMAX and I can't wait. Even though I've seen TPM a hundred times before, seeing it on the big screen, hearing that beautiful score I am sure there is nothing like it. I wish Disney would put Episodes 1-6 back in theatres, I'm sure it would make millions

[@joringedamke5597]

I always enjoyed the Young Jedi Knights series, which nobody talks about.

[@RevanMartinez]

I loved those, Lowbacca was Cool

[@nerfherderzach866]

Animated star wars should be the future. Think about a movie made like the kotor cinematics. They could make something truly epic. We could also get stories surrounding the original characters without worrying about the actors aging out. Honestly I can't believe they haven't thought of this

[@bensutherland5209]

It's incredible how similar your story of Star Wars mirrors mine. I'm pretty sure we're about the same age, and I remember the Heir to the Empire being the series that kept me going before the prequels were even a rumor. Continue the excellent work; don't give up. You have tens of thousands, or more, of us behind you.

[@DarkDodgers]

The Live Action had POTENTIAL and the Mandolorian single handedly saved me from jumping the metaphorical cliff that was my love of Star Wars. However, I noticed everything starting to go downhill. Then even my boy THE MANDO fell during season 3. I'm in an awkward spot now. I can't say I'm very much excited for anything in Live Action, but I'm not in hopeless despair like I was after TLJ and Rise of the Palpatine (I ain't callin her a Skywalker, she don't deserve it.) It's quite sad the state of affairs we're in. Maybe the Mando Movie could save him? But I kinda doubt it. They dropped the ball hard with all the story potential for each and every single story they had. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART! Once upon a time I could tell how characters were just by their fighting styles. Now? They could tell me EXACTLY how they feel and I just can't believe em. (I'm looking at YOU Sabine.)

[@achaudhari101]

Oh please, S3 wasn’t even that bad. Dropped the ball my butt.

[@12stack73]

S3 was hot garbage. Only 2 good episodes and thats ep 2 and 3, rest was garbage, especially eps 4 and 6. ​@@achaudhari101

[@Mouse_Metal]

Mando S1 singlehandedly saved me from jumping the metaphorical cliff that was my love of Star Wars, not-Mando S3 was my breaking point of never comming back to DiSSney SW. Noone will force psychopathic monster Boo-Karen, the terr0rist and sisterslayer by proxy who manipulates and lies 24/7, as a her-o into the REAL HERO´S rightful place in his own story. That b**** is dead, Din is the Mandalore, and this is canon. The end. Nothing which contradicts my canon will ever be canon to me.

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@12stack73 Booo-Karen is the toxic garbage which poisoned S3. The concepts for the episodes were good, even the Lizzo episode could work if Booo wasn´t shoehorned into it. The rewrites are painfully obvious and every absurd scene in S3 is directly connected to Booo being shoehorned where she doesn´t belong. You just can´t hammer a square peg into a round hole 5X smaller than the peg and expect the whole thing will not crack, break and fall apart.

[@saberiandream316]

I think the critics at the time four years ago had it right - Mandalorian was average and passable at best, but because it was sandwiched next to the sequels, people were more willing to give it a pass and never took off the rose-tinted glasses they had for it because of the sequels. But we haven't had new movies since 2019, so keeping those rose-tinted glasses on is proving harder and harder.

[@masterswordwielder]

And the funny thing is, not including the movies, the results can be compared to Marvel, where the Disney Plus shows also don't hold a candle against the older, not-Disney Plus shows like Daredevil and Agents of SHIELD, my beloved. Interesting. (on that note, your opinion on Agents of SHIELD and whether you've even seen it, is something I'm very interested in)

[@Daemonik]

I remember AOS being pretty good at the start. It was also my introduction to Ruth Negga as an actress, who was phenomenal in that show, and even better in some other material (loved her as Tulip in Preacher, sadly cancelled, and she was magnificent in Loving). I lost interest at some point, I think I fully checked out during the time they were doing the Inhuman / Terrigen storylines. Turns out I missed the appearance of Robbie as Ghost Rider later on, which was a shame.

[@masterswordwielder]

@@Daemonik AoS is my favorite show of all time. Some of my favorite characters come from here. Has arguably the best couple/love story in the MCU. Excellent pacing, where most twists and secrets aren't needlessly drawn out, aside from those where that makes sense. It's so hard not to feel every emotion of the main cast, both because of the acting and how truly heartbreaking, intriguing and captivating their stories are. And I honestly don't feel like I'm over exaggerating it. I could write a whole essay on Fitz-Simmons right now. Oh, and the acting!!!! Ming-Na Wen, Chloe Bennet, Elisabeth Henstridge, Ian deCaestecker and the list goes on, not even touching on series regulars like Ruth Negga, Bill Paxton and Mallory Jansen

[@TofuBeagle22]

Imo the animated shows are my favorite because they give writers more flexibility to be creative. Some types of alien-species look awkward in live action versus animated. The amount and range of movement and special effects you can use in animation is also way wider than in live action. I don’t care how many people say it, just because somethings animated, doesn’t mean its for kids. Some of our best star wars stories have been from the animated side

[@kaygee2121]

I really really dig the live action shows, and would dig them even more if they were better quality. Except Andor of course (and the first 2 seasons of Mando).

[@BeefSupreme641]

Watching the new Fallout show really drove home for me how lackluster Star Wars has been in live action other than Andor.

[@howard7073]

It’s amazing what happens when you respect the source material

[@ryanfierro4897]

Really they need to chill with so many different mediocre to poor live action shows and give us an occasional quality story that’s given the proper time and budget to be great.

[@jacob5395]

​@@howard7073Oh good grief no, even that show is atrocious with the source material.

[@Hypo101]

Hey Thor! More of a statement than a question, but it would be really interesting to hear your take on Star Wars miniatures games, such as Armada, Legian, and X-wing. I am a huge fan of these games, and in recent times they’ve died out due to a lot of factors (not the least of which being poor management). I wish they would get more recognition nowadays, so if you were to review them that’d be awesome! (Also your friends probably wouldn’t be as intimidated by these games versus role playing)

[@debelmeis2311]

Try a tabletop you'll love it and your friends don't need to know as much as you, you're creating the campaign so it's as large or small as you like, just like DND

[@WhiteDireWolf_217]

I totally agree with you and your audience. The movies and animated shows can do some spectacular scenes that less production live tv just cant do. People remember the quality of lightsabre battles from their favourite movie scenes. For example Anakin vs Obi-wan, those actors had to practise for months to pull of that duel. You just don't have the time or money behind that for a live action tv show. Live action TV show is great for dramas, that's why Andor is just so good. Its essentially a well written drama in space!

[@mga149]

I think the main problem with the live-action shows is that they're trying to make movies, just split across 8 40-60 installations. They really missed the mark with season 3 of Mando, where they could have switched back to what drew people to the show initially: an *episodic* serial about a bounty hunter. Every episode or two is a new bounty; antagonists, new conflict & resolutions. The X-Wing series could also be a great vehicle for that style to story telling. Which would be more appropriate to streaming.

[@coolcats4summer82]

It is such a bummer about your other channel. My wife and I really enjoyed listening to the two of you. I hope there’s a positive resolution and you two can get the channel back to what it was. Be strong.

[@mr_yoru5834]

I think Ahsoka, The Mandalorian, and Andor look great. The others look cheap. I think Kenobi was held back severely by having a TV show budget and would have been way better received as a movie that cuts out all the unnecessary stuff, which was the original plan for the Kenobi project.

[@DavidWalker1987]

I never buy the budget arguement, some of the best parts of andor, was cassian living on a farm in some hills talking with the other rebels about their upcoming mission. There was no grand set pieces, just a quick DIY hut and pen and that was it. The issue is you need a strong plot and strong characters to do that. Most of the live action shows havent had that. Even the prison escape mustve been cheaper set pieces in comparison to say, tatooine.

[@Mouse_Metal]

The soy cowboy Felony didn´t work on Andor, and it turned out to be the best stuff made under Dissney. Coincidence? I don´t think so.

[@JonO387]

But Andor is trash.

[@jimdaniels7531]

The budget for Andor wasn't even that much different than the other shows. The Mandalorian = $12.5M per ep. Andor = $20.8M per ep. Kenobi = $25M per ep. Source: Screen Rant 6/14/2023. The reason Andor is often quoted as having a much higher budget is because it has a higher episode count at 12, versus 8 for each Mando season and 6 for Kenobi.

[@Paul_McSeol]

You’re spot on. I really don’t care that much about the budget for effects in the shows. I want a good story and that has been severely lacking outside of Andor or Mando S1.

[@douglasstephens6693]

Thor, I was shocked myself when I took the poll and discovered that the live action shows were at only 2 percent! Mando seasons 1 and 2 were great, and you can find moments of greatness in other live action shows (Andor, of course, come to mind). The size of the screen or the "style" (animation vs live-action) doesn't matter so much to me, but the content does. Good writing is number one.

[@BeansWithHam]

I genuinely prefer reading Star Wars above all else (barring the OT trilogy).

[@saberiandream316]

Me too. Reading is becoming a lost art, especially reading Star Wars ever since Disney destroyed the original EU.

[@devinhargrave4723]

I think a huge culprit of it of it is also that the shows aren't properly paced, and they usually feel like set-ups for sequels or further spin-offs.

[@theaterlightman89]

Two best starwars memories, got to see episode 2 in true 12k imax (dual projector before 8k digital) with a myer sound system... truely epic. And when episode 3 came out on my birthday my sister surprised me with tickets to see it that night... i miss the waiting around the block anticipation but i also appreciate the reserve seating we have now

[@saberiandream316]

I miss when the novels revealed major plot points from the movie before it was even released. Disney just doesn't do that anymore. When you compare it to the way George ran his companies, it's night and day.

[@HustlerHorstRuediger]

Andor was by far the best star wars show ever made. That, Rogue one and the first 1 ½ seasons of Mando where the times when I enjoyed all of this.

[@davepost7675]

The problem with the live action shows isn't the production values. It's the stories and characters that people don't like.

[@stonerainproductions]

One other thing, the card games have been great. While I don't feel like I'm a part of Star Wars, they've been alot of fun. I was the last Regional champion for the Young Jedi card game and I recently started playing Star Wars Unlimited, which has become WILDLY popular. Definitely worth checking out, it's an amazing game.

[@freelancenerd4804]

I grew up on the original series, then in college I got the prequels. When I got married and was bringing up my boys we lived on the Clone Wars. No matter what it’s become, I’ll always appreciate it. Sooo many Lego sets….

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

A lot of games are not *your* story, they're a story told *your* way. SWG had a lot more of the individual player's story. At least, it did when I played (just before JTL to the NGE).

[@Kentchangar]

There are A LOT OF Star Wars board games which are loved by a lot of people: Star Wars Rebellion ranks among the most popular board games among board game enthusiasts. You also have Star Wars Legions: a miniature based skirmish board game, Star Wars: Imperial Assault : a dungeon crawler, Star Wars: Outer Rim, Star Wars: The Deckbuilding Game, Star Wars: Destiny etc.

[@bluemoondm8629]

The problem is awful writers with terrible ideas who don't care about maintaining characters and the universe of SW, they just want to make "their" Star Wars. Being a massive fan isn't even a requirement, Gilroy proved that. You just need to RESPECT the IP and work within it passionately.

[@Mouse_Metal]

The Chad non-fan Gilroy vs the virgin glorified bad fanfic writer Felony.

[@saberiandream316]

@@Mouse_Metal As someone who's never liked Filoni because of what he's done to the EU (while claiming to be a fan of it, lol, gimme a break), it's sooooooo vindicating to seeing Filoni get so much backlash these days. He's always been an overrated, mediocre fraud who never lived up to the hype he WANTS you to believe that he is.

[@guilhermepupo2840]

and the eu fans still hate tony gilroy because he make cassian andor over kyle katarn

[@saberiandream316]

@@guilhermepupo2840 I haven't met a single EU fan who thinks that. I see more EU fans who don't like what Filoni's done with Thrawn, because that's what he does, is that he ALWAYS changes the EU.

[@mazkeraid4039]

Look, Tony Gilroy may be a good writer, but I don’t think his work for Andor contributes much. And he has no idea that Star Wars is not just an ordinary, live action series.

[@foxfire9124]

The only Star Wars book I've read is "The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader" which is a biography of Anakin starting from his arrival on Tatooine at 3 and ending with becoming one with the force. Despite how simple that sounds, I believe it does something all supplementary material should: bring new perspective and ideas to the things we love. That's a big problem I have with Disney's live action shows, adding in all of these "new elements that detract from the story instead of enhancing it. For example, the biography gives great context to how Vader felt during all these years between the prequels and OT. Meanwhile the Disney Plus shows devalued the sequels by showing that the new republic was ignorant and incompetent from the get go. Point is that I think we'd give the shows at least a little more patience if they gave the impression they were adding to a cohesive story.

[@luchoman91]

Hey Thor (and anyone else who wants to reply), personally I enjoy the movies the most followed closely behind by the animated series. I really enjoyed Clone Wars and Rebels, but I have had a hard time understanding what you and others love so much about the Bad Batch series. I watched the first and second season and out of the approximately 40 episodes I only really enjoyed three or four episodes, the rest I felt were pointless side stories that did not keep my attention like Clone Wars or Rebels did. In the prior series every story had some gravity to them, even the side stories, but Bad Batch hasn't had that same weight to it other than the episodes that, weirdly enough, feature Crosshair in them. I did not plan on watching the third season and I have not watched any of your episode reviews but I have heard you make positive comments on Bad Batch season 3 in your non-review videos such as this one. Have you heard similar sentiment about the first and second seasons of Bad Batch? And do you have anything to say that may convince I and others that the third season of Bad Batch is worth watching? The second question may be too vague but I am willing to add more to it if need be.

[@dorston.graves]

Sitting in a dark theater with an auditorium filled with Star Wars nerds and enjoying a fun new story in the galaxy far far away died in 2005. It was a glorious Viking burial, but a definitive end to the experience. We suspected but couldn’t be certain it was so at the time. Now we know.

[@blaskofilms]

I think ranked-choices might've been interesting. I prefer the films, yes, but the best of the live-action shows is a close second. Andor and Mando S1-S2 are some of my favorite SW experiences.

[@MedalionDS9]

I would like live action Disney Star Wars on Disney+ if they were all at the caliber (not necessarily tonally or story-wise) of Andor or the first 2 seasons of The Mandalorian. I am not into the animated, or expanded universe of books and games as much (at least for lore)

[@Poptalkandaliens]

Great analysis. I’m looking forward to seeing Episode 1 this weekend more than I’ve looked forward to anything Star Wars in awhile. Even more than I was for the final episodes of Andor which I absolutely loved.

[@apstrike]

What is so damning about this is that I prefer TV to movies by a factor of 10:1.

[@JPLeonhart]

The live action shows have been 75+% filler. The Kai Patterson cut of Obi-Wan proved that!

[@saberiandream316]

Filoni is the king of filler.

[@Mouse_Metal]

The animated shows are like 90% filler.

[@ryanfierro4897]

Aside from the difficulties in producing live-action shows and movies, writers understand these forms of media reach much greater audiences than core fans and therefore is enticing in spreading their own messages or making more money. Between Kenobi and BoBF I hardly believe there was a gripping story desperate to be told. I don’t have high hopes for the Acolyte though I am super excited for Tales of the Empire.

[@JaylaSecura]

I think we need to start using the hashtag #AnimatedStarWarsSupremacy😂 Because the difference in quality between the animated and live action shows is STEEP!

[@mazkeraid4039]

I’m more of an animated guy, but the movie is my second go to medium whenever I feel like watching.

[@theaterlightman89]

I think a mini series would be the way to go, 2-4 1 hour chunks.. I think mando season 1 and 2 are peak starwars of late. My favorite episode is prison break with bill burr... if you gave dave and john an andor budget and time to write, id love to see it.... i do love andor too

[@Mouse_Metal]

Felony deliberately butchered Mando S3 to shoehorn his evil pet Mary Sue into the real hero´s rightful place. Andor is the only series he wasn´t working on. It´s not a coincidence the best stuff was made when he wasn´t in control. He should be banned from ever working on anything Star Wars related.

[@vestarakhai5303]

Many years ago I'd have said movies hands down but now I'm leaning towards animation

[@eds1942]

The movies were my childhood. The EU filled my young adult years. The games freed me from depression. The animated show are at least entertaining. The bulk of the live action shows has me asking how could all of that money be used if they didn’t toss it into the money pit of mediocrity, by the 1980’s and 90’s standard of mediocrity? Even mediocre half hour low budgeted shows now-a-days are better in most ways. I mean, Ahsoka season 1 could’ve easily been done in a 3 episode story arc of the Clone Wars at a tiny fraction of the cost and our time.

[@kennethsatria6607]

And first two seasons of Mando were so good too

[@istari0]

The problem with the live-action shows is that their track record tells us the odds are that a new show will probably be disappointing. Similarly, the animated shows are likely to be pretty good; they are simply better stories than the ones we get in live-action with some exceptions like Andor. It will be interesting to see if opinions shift if the upcoming movies turn out to be poor.

[@Mouse_Metal]

The animated shows are canon-breaking, inconsistent, silly Mary Sue fests with infinite cameos shoehorned for memberberries. The most overrated stuff ever.

[@saberiandream316]

@@Mouse_Metal It shows how far there still is to go to break the cult-like grip Filoni has on most of this fandom.

[@andersonn330]

Now to be fair, I voted movies and leaned towards animation, but that’s the original six movies I like more. I’ve enjoyed all the D+ shows a lot more than any of the movies of the Disney era except rogue one

[@JerryHazard]

I've said it about every. Single. Show. Except Andor. They all look like 80's sci Fi TV, like Holodeck Star Wars, If TNG did a retro episode of earth culture from our time. Nobody "gets it" though. Well, I guess, apparently lots of people get it, given the poll results. But Disney doesn't care. And there's another thing to consider. This LFL, under Disney. Sorry for the caps here but it needs emphasis: THIS IS THE BEST THEY CAN DO. it is. They wouldn't half-ass this on purpose. So one has to believe, they're giving it their all. It's not enough. Not even remotely close. People would rather READ than watch a live action Star Wars show? Ooooh that's gotta hurt. But it's accurate. At least, in context of Thor's viewers. I urge you all (except Thor) to join me in ignoring the Acolyte, and anything else they put forth on Plus - or elsewhere. We've seen the best they can do (Andor), and they'd rather peddle out space Vespas and Lizzo cameos. That's not Star Wars. Not to me. Absolutely LOVE the poll results!

[@MedalionDS9]

Send Naboo our love, we will miss everything on that 2nd channel!

[@regishel]

It depends on if it's EU, #fanmade or #Disney. I think when it's fan made: I prefer Live Action Series, I love some fanfilms or Animated fan stuff, but when it's done the best, then I prefer the Live Action Fan Series, but when it #EU: Then non of the series were good and while the books were amazing, it really has to be the movies obviously. Then #Disney: its Games, I still rewatch LPs for Fallen Order/Survivor, if it wasn't for those games Then it would be books, because other then the high republic, Disney has been pretty good in their books.

[@lukejochem]

It really depends. If it's in the era of Palpatine then I'd say games, books or animated (preferably don't recast Luke Skywalker or use CGI to bring him back (despite wanting it)). If it's new characters then I'm open to live action.

[@theanonymouscritic1710]

Star Wars is kind of like DC. The old films are well liked but some of the more recent live action films haven’t been all that great. But the animated shows have kind of become their own thing. So they don’t receive that much direct comparisons. Even the Arrowverse shows, at their worst, are their own things and also don’t receive much comparison.

[@Mouse_Metal]

The funny thing is I would have voted for the live action shows if Felony had not butchered Mando S3. But Boo-Karen hammered into Din´s rightful place was my point of no return.

[@jedimario22]

I wouldn't say it was the quality of the visuals of the live actions, its more the writing. It seems to be written by committee in the most generic way. It's like LucasFilm doesn't care as much about the animated shows, books and games so their stories are more left up to the creators of the products and not so much the whole company. This seems to create a better experience.

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

Before Disney, Star Wars was Star Wars. I didn’t mind what they did or how so long as it’s still ‘Star Wars’. The Disney+ shows don’t show that Star Wars can’t work as a live action series, but show that a competent, unbiased and respectful director/writer that actually likes Star Wars is a necessity. Due to the lack of quality and the amount of times we’ve been disappointed by the Disney+ Star Wars shows, however, it’s hard to say if there are any other important factors worth considering that’d make it difficult to compare live-action production to animated shows (since Star Wars shows in the past were usually animated), such as how expensive a live action Star Wars *show* would actually be or if it’s simply difficult for some other studio reason, or something. It’s a wonder if George Lucas literally made Star Wars *for* the big screen, that it’s too unique for television.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

Have you considered someone liking Star Wars a little too much is what makes them write stupid fanfics rather than mythical story?

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

@@Hello-bi1pm Well that’s *definitely* not happening here.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

"Oh, I'm not a big enough fan of Star Wars to enjoy a SW TTRPG!" Oh, so they can tell me the Goddess Of Magic in D&D? They know the Raven Queen's forgotten name? They can tell me who governed the Sword Coast? Who the Chained Oblivion is? Like half this stuff could be answered by just Critical Role fans, let alone D&D fans... but still. My point is, they don't have to be big fans to get into the story. Especially if you don't use any named characters. Like, are you going to use the Mortis Gods for any reason? Probably not. Revan? Unlikely. Yoda or Vader? Surely they know them, anyway? Or a concept like, "The Jedi Council is requesting you do this." They probably understand that's the equivalent to like, "The town mayor/city lord is requesting you embark upon this quest." And even if they don't, they can pick it up from context clues. Tell your friends not to be cowards since fear leads to hate and the Dark Side lmao. "Just play the SW TTRPG with me!"

[@doubleupload5620]

Even though I am unlucky enough to have only seen TFA AND TLJ in theatres when I think of Star Wars it’s the movies I love the games I’ve played thousands of hours overs dozens of games but the movies are just something else

[@raspas219]

Awesome vídeo. In my opinion star wars in is best is: the movies are 1-6 and rogue one. Live action series are mandalorian season 1-2 and Andor. Animation are Clone wars (2003), clone wars series, rebels and bad batch. Books and comics are tales of the jedi, Plagueis, darth bane trilogy, kotor, legacy, legacy of the jedi, young jedi adventures, the books of the films, thrawn books, x-wing books and much much more. Videogames are kotor 1 and 2, jedi knight series, jedi fallen order and survivor, x wing vs tie fighter, lego star wars, rogue squadron, shadows of the empire, republic commando, empire at war and others.

[@brosgaming5597]

Honestly excluding the first six movies plus rogue one and solo The animation stuff is all I look forward to anymore.

[@cameronfarrell9076]

It's not about the size of the budget, it's about the people who are making it and the reason theyre making it. Im not sure what the budget for andor was, but im guessing it was similar to the other star wars shows. I guarantee if the quality for the other shows was around the level shown in andor, this poll would look very different.

[@darthcyon]

Thanks for the feature!

[@darko-man8549]

I’m shocked, shocked. Well not that shocked.

[@panthrax555]

I think you're just wrong here. The reason live action is so disliked is simply because of the horrifyingly bad writing. The actual production quality is quite high.

[@ItsJustFox]

Movies are OG The shows are disappointing and insulting, not mediocre. Has nothing to do with being compared to the movies. It's all about quality, and 90% of the time, it's not there The animated shows have a fairly consistent track record in terms of good quality, regardless of how badly they butcher the continuity or not. Video Games, before Disney, were near flawless at telling Star Wars stories around the movie's continuity. The EU novels(before Disney) were the best sequels to the movies that we'll likely EVER get.

[@widgren87]

For me it started withe the with the movies and some lonely comic issues found at friends and later the games started making headway especially the SNES ones. Never really started reading the books as I had no money to buy them the local library never stocked them either, now that might change once I have all the books I plan to buy but that remains to be seen. Now as for the movies if we could get good, well written animated ones in the style of the Old Republic cinematic trailers that could be be interesting but I doubt that will happen. Heck animation could offer so much for Star Wars since it can really be made for all ages.

[@SirDenzington89]

I’ll just say this, and this is 2012 to now, stuff like the last season of rebels, the siege of mandalore arc and even parts of the last episode of Bad Batch, got more emotion out of me with “a kids cartoon” than anything in last Jedi or rise of skywalker. Mandalorian has some great moments but the movies just become a bigger dud as the years go on

[@dannyhicking]

I am in my 50s but I didn't see the start wars movies until a long time after they came out. I got into Star though the Dark Force/Jedi Knight games in the mid to late 90s (?I think) but then I loved the prequels and went back for the original trilogy. Not much in Disney Star wars has impressed me and I can't stand The Last Jedi. I don't watch any new Star Wars these days

[@coreyeatsdetroit9733]

Who's gonna watch The Phantom Menace in theaters this weekend? 🙋‍♂️

[@gator7082]

Although my daughter has seen all six movies, she’s never seen one on the big screen, I’m excited to take her.

[@coreyeatsdetroit9733]

@gator7082 That's awesome. I hope you have a great time!

[@paveldatsyuk8268]

andor is the exception to everything lol

[@Theyflynow_1]

movies are better live-action and shows are better animated because they can make more episodes at a lower cost to flesh out a good story, fights are better animated, character design in better animated for the most part and character movement is better animated too ( i.e if you want a jedi to be acrobatic etc then you can have that while in LA ur restricted by the actor/actress' ability. Only think LA beats animation on is visuals but with how good the animation is in recent years ( tales of the empire looks great for example ) visuals aren't even an issue anymore. One thing i would also say is that when a character is INTRODUCED in animation they should stay in animation as their LA versions are never really as good with maybe the exception of ppl like Bo-Katan.

[@johnsmooth1229]

This is probably misleading because I'm sure many that would have put live action shows put their vote on the live action movies. If you removed movies, most of that vote would've gone to Disney plus live action. I prefer animated myself though these days.

[@isaac_paech]

My interest in Star Wars is staying afloat because of the animated shows and Andor. Everything else I wouldn't really miss

[@StefSis]

Fallout is better than anything Disney has ever released even though the graphics aren't always perfect in that show. If the story/script, acting, and character development is good the cgi isn't all that important. You can live with that if the rest is solid. But if the core of a show/film isn't in place then bad graphics can kill the story (i.e. Rebel Moon).

[@dark_fire_ice]

I won't lie the fan made "Revan vs Nihilus" is so much better than anything better than the slop Disney has offered

[@aTADtoofar]

Ah, I think there’s a bit of a flaw here. I prefer the movies then second, I love the live action shows and then animation. So if there was a second choice, live-action would be it.

[@TheSinsOfAvarice97]

I feel like the games are really the only worth while investment ive had with star wars fallen order and survivor were phenomenal

[@GoddessOfWhim2003]

10:17 sometimes things work better in animation, that's why they do said things in animation and don't need to be done in live action

[@malachiphoniex8501]

See, movies 1 - 6 are already a complete story by themselves. While there's a few loose ends at the end of Rebels, by in large CW and Rebels also tells a complete story. Thus everything else becomes supplemental, so why support/add things you dislike? Sequels, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Resistance are all examples of things I just outright ignore. And I swear Bad Batch better stick the landing Wednesday because the animated shows are slowly decreasing imo.

[@CadillacDeMille]

Canon consistency is Disney Star Wars greatest issue. They had no overarching vision for the "sequels", changed Han, Luke, and Leia, and ignored that they're "innovations" didn't stick with established canon. They could've hired a couple of Star Wars fans that run lore youtube channels to check if what they wanted to do was consistent with what's already canon for story and characters. Yet they didn't and hired non Star Wars fans to do their projects. Fail.

[@saberiandream316]

The irony is they encourage people to go out of their way to invalidate the EU over its "canon" status (that THEY decided!), when THEY themselves don't give a single shit about canon and consistency. Lucasfilm is packed with complete hypocrites. Btw, Dave Filoni is a ginormous fan, yet look at the crap he churns out.

[@rogerpalsgrove9678]

I think I may be too jaded with the theatre going experience anymore. I would love to see a good Star Wars movie on the big screen.

[@BRONZALiVE]

The live action shows need to be handled like how game of Thrones or obviously andor were handled, actually written for television, not just a movie cut up. Stranger things 4 is a perfect example of a show that actually could handle a week to week release as each ep has substance and isn’t just a random filler 20 minute clip length like disneys shows. Disney hasn’t handled tv well apart from literally andor and mando season 1. I mean I’ve gone back and watched mando 1 and it feels night and day to where it ended up

[@Mouse_Metal]

Because there is no Mando S3. It was deliberately butchered by Felony right after his promotion. That egoistical hack couldn´t accept a character which wasn´t created by him was more popular then his garbage Mary Sues, so he hammered one of them into his story and ruined it. The rewrites are so obvious it physically hurts, and old interview with Pascal done after Mando S2 confirms the story was changed.

[@HappinessPunch777]

Filoni sabotaged TBOBF and Mando S3 so that Ahsoka will be the hero and the center of attention for the Mandoverse and Heir to the Empire garbage remake. It’s always about Ahsoka, Sabine, Bo Karen, Cad Bane, and all of his other overrated characters over the OG’s. Disney is Sauron, Kennedy is Saruman, and Filoni is Grima.

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@HappinessPunch777 Cad Bane is cool, he doesn´t belong with the bratty Mary Sues. And Felony always inserts himself as a whaaman OC, never as a badass male character, because he is too soy for that.

[@TheTurtlebot]

Bad batch finale just came out this is why I picked animated shows. They are cooking

[@jdstudios1912]

Animated star wars is the only aspect of star wars not infected by the madness of Disney. My favourite medium was always books and comics but I dropped both this year due to the quality being beyond poor. it's a shame because there was a real magic to the EU that Disney was doing in it's comics and books early on (see thrawn trilogoes, original run of Darth Vader) but the quality began to drop rapidly (see the high republic books or the latest Star wars comics which are just not that great.

[@Hypo101]

Does anybody have a link to Thor’s Discord Server, or where I can get one? I don’t see it mentioned in the video description or his channel.

[@aceofspades604]

"Budget" isn't a valid excuse when you have Disney money. Also, Thor, I would love to play a Star Wars ttrpg with you. What's your preferred version? For me, it's Saga Edition.

[@David_Alvarez77]

I think it might be useful or at least interesting to run the poll again but not include the movies. I wonder where the votes of people who chose films would land if they had to choose a second best pick?

[@gmat4380]

Makes me sad the books were ranked so low 😔

[@SagyTity1]

books fire