This is NOT an F-14 Tomcat

[@americankid7782]

It has variable wings, 2 engines, 2 seats, and looks kinda like an F-14. Therefore it is F-14

[@gabrielcoelho2346]

Or an aardvark, or tornado

[@americankid7782]

@@gabrielcoelho2346 shush

[@thaddeus5944]

it also was released on the tomcats date of first flight, December 21st

[@MRFOURKAY]

A TOM CAT Reborn in VtolVr with more advanced tech .

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

@@MRFOURKAY Aka the super Tomcat the sequel which has been in alot of peoples dreams since the Bomcats got reteered and not only that the Mischeif gives the tom cat a reason to exists with the super hornet and F-35... EW domance machine which to my knowledge no one else thought of.

[@Damen178]

"This is not an F-14." Well, you see, when an F-14 Tomcat and an F-22 Raptor love each other very much...and they get shitfaced on vodka Jell-O shots with an EA-6B Prowler...

[@liammackenzie9283]

It's certainly not what we think of as a Tomcat- but you can definitely tell the Devs looked into the capabilities Grumman wanted on the Super Tomcat 21, glass cockpit and all.

[@NexusVR_heinzbeanz]

Errrrrrm actually there is only 1 dev making the ge so you saying devs is false 🤓 🤓

[@esOwO]

@@NexusVR_heinzbeanz that was a really funny joke man

[@CMDR_Hadion]

@@NexusVR_heinzbeanz and actually, Baha has had a friend do a little bit of work on VTOL. So, on average there’s probably been about 1.05 Devs working on VTOL at any given point.

[@KayoMichiels]

The 2nd seat is the EWO 'Electronic Warfare Officer'

[@LazyBoot]

Yeah, that does seem to be what the official VTOL VR term is.

[@tax-evasion]

I called it "electronic warfare operator"

[@eisen161]

I have never heard anyone not get told to wave off a carrier landing. That's very impressive.

[@oEQjet]

If you switch the MFD to the mission log, it will include the reason why the LSO waved you off. I ALWAYS got waved off until I learned this and started meeting the LSO's constraints. It is possible!

[@eisen161]

@@oEQjet Good to know! Thanks.

[@Ryak84]

There is something about the Gfx in this game that i really like. I am a DCS guy and i love the heatblur F14 and the EF-24G is quiet fitting (for the game VTOL) with its advanced avionics, i see it as a F14EX.

[@justcallmedylan2714]

ew* its not an F-15 lol

[@marco8414]

@@justcallmedylan2714re-read the comment

[@Globalnet626]

It's the scrapped super tomcat

[@kugelblitzkrieg]

Funny you mention the F-14EX, given how long people had been waiting for a mod of the same name to drop prior to this.

[@TROUT_Actual]

The back seater for Wild Weseals is the EWO. ELECTRONIC WARFARE OFFICER. They originally flew in bombers and when the first SAMs started splashing planes over Vietnam in 1965, the Air Force took F-100s and made them into two seaters with an EW suite...threw an EWO in the back...and YGBSM! They later moved them to F-105s and F-4s.

[@judgefonti5786]

Wild Weasels is Air Force exclusive, the EF-24G would be a navy aircraft. It would still be an EWO though, and it is referred to as such in-game.

[@thaddeus5944]

the F-14 Tomcat's first flight was in December 21st and the DLC came out on the 21st, so i say its a F-14 still, just very modernized

[@MichaelBarry-gz9xl]

But the Tornado GR4's first flight was on a Friday, and Friday's fish and chip night, so it must be a B52 stratofortress.

[@thaddeus5944]

@@MichaelBarry-gz9xl but this is about the F14?

[@MichaelBarry-gz9xl]

@@thaddeus5944 The title says it's not an F14. Maybe it's a boeing 737

[@melciaija5034]

im afraid not, it is a tomcat

[@jacksonlewis8712]

Im not afraid I’m an f-14

[@redpanda2843]

I’m afraid

[@puggy9309]

I’m

[@diegodollarhide6663]

I

[@Rockethead293]

Jamcat.

[@ravenheartwraith]

it's no f-14, but I have to say I've fallen in love with it quickly, even before the jamming stuff. It's probably my favorite vtol plane now. there is a G-limiter on the plane. you actually don't need to pull up to take off, do full flaps, go full afterburner.. it takes itself off :). Also good to see you analayzing the dogfighting etc, vtol is a small community but what is really missing is a Growling Sidewinder type person who can give us videos on plane performance and tactics, one circle/two circle etc.

[@TrickerDCS]

You are a force to be reckoned with

[@Tuuvas]

lmao you remember the weirdest things Tricker

[@Chaos_Rifle]

I'm very happy you mentioned the break is a *level turn*. many people forget/don't know and descend into the catapults flight clearance by doing a descending turn, so props for remembering the single most forgotten thing in case-1! I can't wait for DCS to have a leaning pilot body model, looks fantastic to touch on the things you didn't know: 1 - 1.5nm abeam the boat, hornet favours a high 1.2, I think tomcat favours about 1.4 iirc. Adjusted for wind as needed to maintain a 27AoB turn at the 180 to the 90, adjustments should be minimal if the boat is steaming into the wind like it should for recovery ops. sinkrate at the '180 is 100-200fpm, sinkrate at the '90 is 300-400fpm, sinkrate at the '45 is 400-500fpm. easy way to remember it is 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 again, 5. This may be different for tomcat though due to speed differences, given the speed of the aircraft. the window given is for variance in weight of the airframe on recovery (low/high on fuel adjusts your speed, thus sink rate needed) at the 90 you should be between 450-500ASL, again, hornet favours closer to 450, tomcat I think was 500 favoured.

[@Tuuvas]

Thanks for confirming the numbers, Chaos! I honestly tend to eyeball everything more than I should... the nice round numbers at certain checkpoints like "500 at the 90" or "600 on downwind" etc are way easier for me to remember lol. The only other thing I wasn't really sure about during the level turn to downwind was whether or not I should be pulling X.Y number of Gs relative to knots. For instance, since we start at 350 knots, I should start by pulling 3.5G... then at 300 knots I should have decreased to 3G... 250 knots 2.5G, etc. I recall you saying you don't do this in DCS because of Hornet flight model stuff right?

[@Chaos_Rifle]

@@Tuuvas so, in real life, yes you do 1% G loading. so 3.5G for 350kts, 2.5G for 250kts.. but you are correct in your recollection, the flight model in DCS we bleed speed faster than IRL and gain it slower, so 1% doesn't actually work out right (you end up about 0.8 - 0.9nm in the hornet when it should be ~1.25nm). I think thats true of basically all aircraft in DCS though from what I have heard from real pilots, it appears to just be a broad thing for DCS. (which honestly, makes dogfighting more interesting and skill driven anyways)

[@RoRvzzz]

The WSO on EW planes are EWO (you can see this when picking the seat in the briefing room)

[@ndfgaming6824]

Backseater in the jamcat as im calling it would be an EWO, Electronic warfare officer, same thing prowler and growler backseaters are called

[@saintuk70]

Waiting for a playable Bone, B2, or 71 in VTOL - such an awesome game. It's perhaps the best VR game out there.

[@mattalford3932]

You don't actually need to jam anything with this aircraft. It can just outrun everything. You can almost break the sound barrier before you leave the runway lol.

[@Youda00008]

Imagine the acceleration force on the pilot.

[@Prifly70]

Props for knowing about the Tomcat 21. My fav childhood plane that never was. Earned a sub! Happy Holidays all.

[@sovietunion8304]

he was so upset with a one wire while me and half the community would be delighted to hear that instead of bolter

[@kugelblitzkrieg]

Ya always gotta strive for that 3-wire though, otherwise ya get complacent.

[@Phvpark]

VTOL VR has default voice recognition commands in game, so you can request landing or give orders by voice after turning on the intercom switch

[@TheIke444]

Ey Tuuvie, I've been enjoying this thing as well. I think you'll really enjoy the EW aspect of the jet as that really outshines DCS. You're a smart lad and the three modes are pretty straightforward. You'll pick up your EWO when you get to the ship, and if you don't, give me a call. I'll fly with you.

[@Tuuvas]

lol love the top gun references

[@aquajay]

This is the super tomcat the USN needed to save the tomcat legacy

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Pretty much!

[@iceman90734]

And not even 5 months later, the carriers now have Tacans making it even easier to pull off the legit Case landings (as well as IFRs...etc)

[@bubblesareawesome1368]

According to the manual, the back seat is for the EWO (Electronic Warfare Officer).

[@specoppo]

Finally someone who understands something about it. This is more like a stealth reinterpretation of an ST21 (unmade prototype of an advanced tomcat). The F45A is a fancy version of the F-35B with canard fins. The F/A 26 is a cross between an F15E and an F22, badly made and disproportionate (I would like it to be redesigned). The T55 is a Korean T50. AH94 is similar to a Bell 360 Invictus. The programmer is probably a true fan of military aviation and was very good at reinterpreting the game's aircraft in a futuristic way.

[@GeneralSmolPilot17]

It would be EWO (Electronic Weapons Officer) I think, I’m not an expert though.

[@xKlondikex]

How did you display the 4-way thumb control that allows you to recenter the seat? I tried everything I could think of (theres only like 4 buttons on the damn controller) but I couldn't get it to display.

[@Tuuvas]

Single-press the Trigger, Grip, and 2 face buttons all at the same time and it should pop up. Then to close it, hold stick click while thumbstick is centered.

[@VIDGamer]

I've tested and it seems to perform way better with wings back at all times(exceptions being carrier operations, be careful with the wings there) You also lose way less speed when turning. i never use auto wings.

[@Tuuvas]

huh very interesting. That seems so backwards to me coming from DCS. I'll have to give it a shot again!

[@VIDGamer]

@@Tuuvas the drag with the wings is crazy when they're out so i would recommend keeping them in the whole time when you give it another try. it is a bit weird with the turn rate thing tho.

[@aryanterror88]

Doesen't make any sense to me. The wings being out would mean more lift and therefore a better turn performance. VTOL VR physics must be super goofy if that doesen't apply.

[@Tuuvas]

Ok, just finished testing this now that I'm back from visiting family for Christmas. There are a total of 3 scenarios for my sustained turn rate tests Scenario 1: Wing Sweep AUTO, 310 knots, 10,000ft Avg: 12.3°/sec Scenario 2: Wing Sweep AFT, 400 knots, 10,000ft Avg: 10.8°/sec Scenario 3: Wing Sweep FWD and 1 Flaps, 300 knots, 10,000ft Avg: 12.8°/sec Conclusions based on my testing: • Wing Sweep AFT is good for SPEED but not TURN RATE. These are two distinctly different things. • Wing Sweep AUTO is good for less workload on the pilot and still getting nearly the most out of the aircraft. • Wing Sweep FWD + 1 Flap is the best; however, not by much while also forcing the pilot to set and unset flaps. Additional notes: • Wing Sweep FWD and 2/3/DN flaps see diminishing returns. Speed gets too low for a good turn rate. 1 flap is best. • All speeds were based on stall speed for their respective configuration, except FWD + 1 Flap. I could not get FWD+1 to stall. • Assumption: edge of stall = best turn for that config. I don't actually know if this is the case. This was assumed.

[@termitreter6545]

@@TuuvasThx, those seem quite reasonable

[@ascenxt]

Gotta remember that those ASF-33's have 2D thrust vectoring, they're still super dangerous in a dogfight! Dont know why the mission creator thought that was a good idea.

[@speedfiend74]

My guy, your channel is so underrated, I first seen you on GS channel where he was just blown away that you use a hand held controller. Merry Christmas, Tuuvas!

[@Tuuvas]

I appreciate the kind words, and merry Christmas! I hope one day I can achieve the level of dedication and efficiency that GS has when it comes to KZbin haha

[@1mkitty437]

As a professional vtol savescummer i knew about the handheld save options for a while

[@tcunero]

Im happy to say its a Modernized F-14

[@KoalaTContent]

It's a super modernized F-14!

[@katherineberger6329]

Generically, the backseater is the GIB - "Guy In Back." If you call him the GIB, you'll never be wrong.

[@StevenSimard]

This thing is absolutely not a turn fighter. It excels at boom and zoom ground attacks and general support, with a good ESO youll never get targeted by enemy radar.

[@kilianortmann9979]

I think the Growler guys call their GIBs EWO, electronic warfare officer.

[@WeakMap]

I'd argue this is more similar to the EF-111A Raven, considering the variable wing sweep + electronic warfare

[@ShinShinMiao01]

Maybe you could called the back seat the "Air Combat Commander" who controls almost everything in the air combats.

[@celestial8616]

if you didn't know every single command in the coms menu can be used via voice commands just hold the trigger in your like chin area sorta and say something. They don't have to be exact commands either.

[@nicholasrodriguez2256]

the back seat is called the EWO or electronic warfare officer.

[@osprey2023]

Love how he says “oh my GYAHD”

[@spacenerdz3692]

The backseat is called an EWO or an Electronic Warfare Officer

[@ak50clover32]

the backseat is called a RIO or a Radar Intercept Officer

[@FirecatLaunchpading]

EWO - electronic warfare officer This is according to the handbook for that jet provided by votl vr

[@Mr_Therminator]

i like how the refueling door is a flap

[@DapperGort]

The seat in the back is EWO, Electronic Warfare Officer

[@superjj1850]

VTOL costs a tenth as much money as DCS, twice as fun, and a million times smoother

[@seebarry4068]

Just that this gets a comparison to the behemoth DCS is mighty impressive. I think it’s one developer.

[@termitreter6545]

Yeah, its incredibly how good VTOL VR is. As much as I love DCS, in some ways this is a better "game".

[@ISAFSoldier]

This isn't an F14.... this is a "what if" of a MODERNIZED F14 :3

[@llNATEDOGGll]

They can't make it EXACTLY the same due to copyright probably, but this is undoubtable resembling the F-14. The airbrake along with the airframe, wing sweep, engines, are a dead giveaway.

[@karelpgbr]

It’s a modern Tomcat, which is so cool!

[@cadet5126]

I find it hard to believe that i found someone saying "this is what super tomcat looks like" or technically would have to looked like if they hadn't retired the tomcat family

[@briancchinni7468]

The guy in the back is called a ewo or a elastic warfare officer

[@Panzerfaust-cj8qt]

It’s a evolution of F-14 even some of the cock pit top instrument bar reminds me of the f-14

[@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am]

It looks kinda like the ST-21 concept. (Super Tomcat for the 21st century) [EDIT: 3:11]

[@triacid1]

EWO is the back-seater as in Electronic Warfare Officer

[@bradleyrobinson8095]

I believe having manual sweep helps with turn time and rates, or it’s just a placebo and my brain only thought it up when I flew it for a bit.

[@axeloYT]

This new plane looks sick!

[@steveman1982]

By the way, the quick menu you saw has been in the game for a long time. I too only accidentally discovered it :) Another thing that's very handy, with TGP as SOI do a long press on your right stick button (it's on the collective I think in the AH-94) to switch between head tracking projection view and the MFD. Also discovered by accident. I havent played it in a while, but I think the above is correct. Anyone know of any more shortcuts? (Or perhaps a manual listing them?)

[@AngryCassowary]

While holding the throttle you can change your soi with the analog stick

[@RelaxSimmer]

How do you bring up the "quick menu"? And are there any other tips like these that are not so obvious?

[@Tuuvas]

Press trigger, grip, and the two face buttons at the same time. Then, press and hold stick without moving it to close the quick menu

[@KDLR2]

Baha uses some type of the real planes but likes to add a spin to it so that is what he did I mean the F35 in VTOL VR got done up and is the F45A.

[@ilijajovcevski4419]

Considering the F-14A should sustain 5g at 310 - 320 knots at 53800lbs gross weight (4 Sparrows, 4 Sidewinders and 60% internal fuel), this thing ain't so bad.

[@mrnohax5436]

this is what the tomcat would of been if Grumman didn't scrap the planes all together

[@d.thieud.1056]

The back seat would be called EWO i think Electronic warfare officer

[@FootFungus11]

The hand menu thingy has been in the game for months.

[@shyneus9773]

The devs named the rear seater the EWO, Electronic Warfare Officer

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Great video by the way which I love this thing because of it's hybrid glass and steam gauges so nice... Though on the ground it's very tail dragger like atleast for me.

[@ytkarmax2971]

the menu on 4:19 was always there

[@thexlonewolf671]

2:47 Close, it's actually "EWO," electronic warfare officer.

[@armandorodrigues144]

the good old Super Tomcat for the 21st Century (ST-21), the aircraft that would have become the most deadly and powerful non-stealth air dominance fighter if it had ever been built they rejected it because «it would be too expensive to make what would be a almost entirely new aircraft» so instead they chose the Super Hornet, a aircraft that contrary to popular belief was not based on the legacy Hornet but a entirely new development

[@samk9267]

Yo, are you able to do a controller bind setup for the mi8. I’ve been looking for so so long and I can’t find one man🙏🙏🙏

[@harlyquin]

yeah its like how GTA has cars that kind of look similar to real life models, some more than others, just at a glance you can tell this plane looks alot like a tomcat only the vertical stabilizers are angles so its not

[@louissienna7437]

a few of the jets in vtol have a g limiter but idk if the ef-24 has it

[@TheRecraftMan]

btw the thumbstick shortcuts with quicksave etc have been around for years

[@homelessmotherofnine9577]

I havent watched the full video bur to answer the question of what the back seater is called on the prowler and growlers and any other EW aircraft the backseater is an EWO Electronic Warfare Officer

[@ClutchCobraKID1]

That is most definitely a Tomcat and you knew mad ppl were gonna say that in the comments when you said that. O it's a Tomcat all right, it's just VTOL VRs modernized version of an f14 (the ef24) hence why it doesn't have an identical cockpit just like the rest of VTOL VRs planes, none of the cockpits are identical, they're not supposed to be identical, they are supposed to be VTOL VRs cockpit design. But other then the instruments in the cockpit (again, that are specifically designed for VTOL VR, not to be true to life) everything else on it is most definitely a modernized version of an F14. Plus it's a video game it doesn't have to be identical to the real thing hence why they call it an EF14. The perfect thing to say right now would be "Artistic License", ja feel? Plus I think when VTOL VR first got released, I think the only plane was the f35(or whatever VTOL VR designated it as) that has the big wide touch panel screen and that's pretty much what they've put in the EF-24, obv it has completely diff functionality. But that's what VTOL VR is famous for, the way they personalize and redesign the cockpit of a real plane that they are putting in the game. They build the dashboard instruments to suit the needs of the aircraft within game. If you want true to life stuff then you play DCS like you said but even the instruments and stuff in DCS cockpits have some Artistic License stuff as well to suit the game, while looking identical to the true to life aircraft which is why DCS can call the plane by its actual name lol. Good vid 👍

[@OceanicNote-gx2pw]

I once pulled 10 g's in the E/A 26 B did not even last 5 seconds

[@gameinsane8984]

I wish the made a plane with a slightly more complex/realistic interior with more buttons to push

[@Dr.Canton]

Youre right, youre right, its a mig 21 foxbat!

[@SportDCS]

Tom. Cat… can’t convince me otherwise

[@irishrandomer5497]

It's a modernised concept of a tomcat in today's military, so it's tomcat enough

[@CasualTomcat]

As a person who played dcs it is indeed a tomcat and I will not take no for answer. Edit: an advanced f14

[@SomeGuyWithaPC]

hi Tuuvas, ive got a problem with a 45fps cap in vtol vr. i use a cable and i have a strong gaming pc.

[@Tuuvas]

sounds like motion smoothing or asynchronous spacewarp is kicking in and halving your fps. Look up how to disable this and that should solve your being stuck at 45 fps

[@SomeGuyWithaPC]

@@Tuuvas i already did that, nothing changed. do you have a stable 90fps? (my specs are ryzen 7 5700g, RX 6800 and 32 gigs of ram)

[@Tuuvas]

@@SomeGuyWithaPC honestly I'm not even sure what FPS I'm getting, but it feels like the full amount. At least, it better be with my 13900 i9 and 4090

[@SomeGuyWithaPC]

@@Tuuvas probably the unity physics system that fucks things up, way too laggy.

[@vFatedDemise]

It looks like an F-15 and an F-14 had a baby 😂

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

If this isn''t a Tomcat then is the F-15EX an F-15?

[@Youda00008]

It's not a Tomcat. It's SUPER Tomcat!

[@LiamConway-i4v]

EW=growler Growler + Tomcat = Gromcat

[@FunnymanBadger]

2:40 im pretty sure the back seat of an f14 is a ( RIO )

[@extremeencounter7458]

7:42 I don't get how you're at 2.26 Mach while being 819 on the airspeed. Are you not using knots?

[@Tuuvas]

You know, that's a very good question. Afaik I'm using knots/feet. I wonder if that number is ground speed or something strange like that.

[@extremeencounter7458]

@@Tuuvas Yea, I figured maybe it was meters per second since that would translate to 775 m/s, but that number would actually be lower the higher you go, since sounds travels slower at altitude. Maybe it is ground speed, crazy notion though since that speed at sea level would be 1500 knots air speed

[@Tuuvas]

@@extremeencounter7458 Looked it up. Basically it's IAS (Indicated Air Speed) vs TAS (True Air Speed). IAS falls way below TAS when at altitude due to temperature and air density differences

[@extremeencounter7458]

@@Tuuvas Ahh interesting, so apparently IAS is the metric to be used for the status of the craft, like stall speed etc. Is there no way to see the TAS? Hard to imagine the disparity in numbers is nearly half

[@Tuuvas]

In VTOL VR, I'm not aware of a way to show TAS other than mach value. In DCS, some aircraft show TAS.. in particular when switching to air to ground mode in some aircraft

[@nwheatcraft]

Fold them wings and turn rate test again.

[@Error_404_Account_Deleted]

It’s what the post D model Tomcats were supposed to be until DOD killed them.

[@antoniofuster2975]

Great video, 👍

[@steveman1982]

Does the F14 in DCS have close canopy lever? ;)

[@npc6817]

Thought the wing sweep needed to be locked forward durino take off and landing? Like only auto in flight

[@Tuuvas]

Unfortunately I only have DCS as a frame of reference, but if the EF-24G is anything like the F-14, then auto can be used during all phases of flight. Whether it's takeoff, flying, or landing. The only time you'll want to manually set the wing sweep is if you're doing a task that would benefit from consistent flight characteristics. For example, while air to air refueling or dropping dumb bombs. I personally don't bother though, and leave wing sweep on auto at all times.

[@olebang6860]

Love it, thanks.

[@ironman2.o748]

My understanding that this craft needed a player RIO/WSO. is this needed?

[@Tuuvas]

No, it's not required. The EWO is nice to have as they will help reduce workload, especially when it comes to jamming, but they are definitely not necessary

[@F-16FightingFalcon]

Y does it have AIM-54’s then?

[@nicholasrodriguez2256]

also why did you tell the air base that you were landing instead of the carrier

[@Tuuvas]

Huh, didn't even notice I chose the wrong option. Where at?

[@nicholasrodriguez2256]

wait nevermind the angle looked like you hit the airfield botton. woops

[@lancervi1762]

VTOL VR is also not a simulator without HOTAS support.

[@TheSithTeacher]

17:10 Happy new year

[@TrackingZCONTENT]

i need it fr

[@kyliam80]

It looks kinda like it'd be a 5th gen F14