Eclipse, The Character Assassination Of Jacob

[@Dominic-Noble]

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[@myrthe1203]

Thanks for the video! Are you planning on doing The Short Second Life Of Bree Tanner as well? I'd be curious to hear what your take on that book is, and on Meyer's writing outside of the Bella-Edward-Jacob charlie-foxtrot.

[@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165]

Idk what She-Ra is, but that video was shared to a Buffy/Star Trek/fandoms fb group that I'm in. ✌

[@hadencrawford2656]

ill get on it dom

[@mjm3091]

Wait, how long ago did you film this Twilight series? Cause Midnight Sun has been out for some time already...

[@joelsasmad]

17:55 It's Jakob! He learned to astral project like his ancestor and had his body stolen before the book. The new creature has been sabotaging his life and while in the woods Edward met and made peace with Jakkob's spirit and now shares his body. The resulting amalgam is a way better person towards Bella and hates the evil spirit with a passion.

[@julianefaria7508]

Edward: **literally believes he has no soul** Also Edward: sex? But what about our virtue!!!!!

[@rainbowesque1]

But he's not worried about their virtue, he's solely worried about her virtue. It's still totes gross and controlling, but it is internally consistent.

[@CursedCatTruffa]

Meyer's mormonism jump out on that one

[@azureascendant994]

King Edward the hypocrite.

[@pablosonic892]

Haha. Awesome

[@judeconnor-macintyre9874]

It's her virtue he's worried about.

[@CalliopePony]

Carlisle's backstory: Vampire doctor overcomes his base instincts to become a healer instead of a killer Esme's backstory: Grieving mother pushed to suicide after the death of her child Alice's backstory: Misunderstood prophet tortured until she loses her identity Jasper's backstory: Vampires form gangs and have turf wars Rosalie's backstory: Kill Bill meets Corpse Bride Stephenie Meyer: Clearly none of those stories are as interesting to explore as a couple of whiny, pretentious teengers lusting after each other.

[@Tareltonlives]

Twilight in a nutshell

[@primrosett]

Rosalie and Alice are such genuinely interesting characters its sooooo frustrating that they get shoved aside for Blankie Slate and her abusive vamp boyfriend

[@darknorman2914]

Yes but then again the self insert,pretentious,whiny teenager story seems more profitable.

[@nocturnalizzie]

Even Emmett's backstory (dude on an adventure in the mountains gets attacked by a bear and then rescued by a gorgeous, superhuman stranger) is a more interesting premise than a lopsided love triangle.

[@georgeandrews1394]

I can see this happening easily depending on Myers' writing style. In my original and fanfiction writing attempts, I pretty much always have some general plot in mind, but more interesting plots, backstories, and characters tend to unwind when I need to get from A to B while actually writing. It tends to happen as a consequence of not having an exact route from A to B, but sometimes I just have a cool idea I want to throw in. Recently, I wrote a whole attack plan involving numerous characters and a dangerous mad scientist, all to justify two characters having a chat with each other about getting a dog. But I then realized what I did, removed the attack plan to make a different story around it, and put the dog conversation in a much simpler scenario. A one-shot about getting a pet doesn't generally need complicated military espionage thrown in when simple military espionage will do.

[@antheathetiefling8581]

To be fair to Charlie's sudden dislike of Eddie. For his perspective: out of the blue, his estranged daughter is suddenly dating a guy, they break up so bad she runs off. He then finds out she's in hospital after Ed tracked her down and has a panic attack about leaving her boyfriend. A month goes by and then there's another break up. One so bad, His daughter is haveing not only suffering serious depression, but is having nightmares for months She then starts getting better after hanging out with Jacob. Then, without a word, she fucks off to italy and comes back with the ex boyfriend that started all of this in the first place and has apparently broken off her friend with the boy who was making her happy. So, yeah If I was Charlie i wouldn't like Eddie either....until Jacob SAs her and then I would be like "neither of you boys are to come near my child again"

[@teeriaprather443]

Your comment deserves more likes

[@Rawnblade13]

Silver stakes for everyone.

[@chrissiek8706]

Charlie, the police Sheff, being so nonchalant about Bella being SA was trully disappointing, though probably realistic part of his character...

[@marniekilbourne608]

I would NOT call an unwanted kiss SA and neither would you if you had experienced any other more severe actual SAs. Any unwanted kisses I have received in my life, that I could not dodge, were not at all traumatizing while the other experiences very much were. My father would have felt the same about Edward. He would have NOT lost his shit if a guy kissed me when I didn't want it. I would not feel like the guy deserved to be punched in the face for that which is actual physical assault. I did however feel that punching a guy who shoved his hand up my skirt and into me on the dance floor on Spring Break in Cancun justified. But my Dad would have been happy if I had went that route any time I was kissed or touched in a way I didn't want. Also, as far as Charlie knows Bella went to L.A. which is where the Cullens said they moved to. He is never aware she left the country! L.A. is not that far from Forks. Not even as far as Phoenix when she ran off the first time. I think he would have been significantly more pissed over had he known she had been in Italy without telling him despite her being 18. My Dad would have been pissed if I did that at 18 and probably even in my early 20's. He likely would have appreciated if I was kind enough to let him know if I was traveling even into adulthood. Just as a respect for him as a father thing and so he knew where I was if something should happen.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@marniekilbourne608I mean, it depends exactly on how it plays out. A quick attempted kiss you pull away from won’t be especially traumatising, but being held down and forced to endure a lengthy kiss can be just as traumatising as other more intimate forced contact.

[@gothicxromantic]

Like Meyers doesn’t write character arcs, she writes character cliff-dives

[@atiredfloridian777]

Best comment I've seen in ages.

[@haileyharmon5298]

👏😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@scribeofrebirth1431]

Literally

[@shanebernier2483]

WHY IS THIS SO ACCURATE?

[@punishedwhispers1218]

ow, my sides, please stop

[@SamyTheBookWorm]

“Every member of the Cullen family is more interesting than the leads” SO TRUE 😂

[@DemonicsInc]

I mean a rock is more interesting the bar isn't that high

[@Xehanort10]

@@DemonicsInc Bella and Edward both have about the same level of personality as a rock.

[@florrivera743]

100% Agreed. Alice and Jasper's tale was way more interesting and they were a far more healthy (although the bar was set really low) and had more chemistry than Edward and Bella. Also, I'd have loved to see Rosalie's tale, going from a rich spoiled socialite, to a revengful vampire vigilante, to finally finding peace with Emmet and comming to terms with her past and acepting her new life and her future. So much wasted potential, I guess publishers felt like they wouldn't have been so appeling to their target demographic.

[@rikimaru700]

Honestly? Jasper and Leah deserved waaaaaay better

[@queenapryllm8454]

I wish story more about them than the shit that was Edward and Bella

[@DarkMasterofCupcakes]

Not gonna lie, the retroactively revealing that Jacob was apparently just being nice in "New Moon" to get with Bella kinda feels like the best piece of evidence for the theory that Stephanie Meyer made Jacob so horrible because of how many people genuinely thought he was a better match for Bella than the character she intended for her to be with.

[@noelbernabe8704]

I don't understand why anyone can be surprised that Jacob become a jerk. The story clearly foreshadows this. We're told that young werewolves are immature and unable to control their emotions. We see Jacob acting like a complete jerk threatening Mike at the movie theater just prior to him turning. And we see at the end of New Moon Jacob acting like a complete jerk by tryig to get Bella grounded with the motor cycles. YES the story wants you to believe Edward and Bella are the better match, as it's obvious from the very beginning that this was their story and Jacob was just thrown in to provide some drama until they ultimately get together. But that doesn't change the fact that the story clearly foreshadowed the direction the Jacob character was moving towards prior to Eclipse.

[@sorcerersapprentice]

@@noelbernabe8704 What? How is him asking Bella to help him fix the motorbikes "trapping" her? They aren't living beings, they are motorbikes! That's like if I accused one of my guy friends of trying to "grounded" me by asking me to paint their house. Hell, if anything, he was HELPING Bella by giving her a task to get her mind of her depression. Like whatever pairing you want, I really don't care. But at least have your arguments make sense.

[@noelbernabe8704]

@@sorcerersapprentice My arguement does make sense. You just didn't understand it. At the end of the book, Jacob tries to get Bella in trouble with Charlie by getting him to see the notor cycles. His plan was to get her grounded so she couldn't see Edward. It was of course completely pointless since she was already grounded. None the less him plotting to keep Bella away from Edward by getting Charlie upset with her over the motor cycles showed his manipulative controlling side. He was similar to Edward in this regard, just better at hiding it.

[@sugarpearl9781]

@@noelbernabe8704 Jacob trying to keep Bella away from a creature that was life threateningly dangerous (from Jacob’s perspective) is not great foreshadowing to Jacob straight up assaulting her nor does it act as evidence that he was only pretending to be her friend to get with her romantically. And yes, while werewolves are more temperamental, particularly when they’re on the verge of shifting for the first time, there’s nothing in the books that suggests they behave like predators. Jacob lost his temper with Mike while he was on the verge of shifting (not to mention thinking Sam was trying to forcibly recruit him into a cult and none of the adults in his life were taking him seriously). Jacob’s behavior is still pretty understandable from the perspective of a 15-16 year old boy who’s just been thrown into the supernatural. And he looks better in comparison to Edward. We know what Meyer was trying to do but it didn’t work because not only did she make Jacob infinitely more likable than Edward, she made Jacob’s relationship with Bella infinitely better than her relationship with Edward. Meyer saw this happening and completely destroyed Jacob’s character in Eclipse to try and make him unlikable. And he still looks better than Edward.

[@noelbernabe8704]

@@sugarpearl9781 Yes, Meyers did make Jacob infinately more likable than Edward... in the opinion of the team Jacob readers. Just as Edward was arguably far more likable than Jacob in the opinion of the team Edward readers. There were plenty of reasons to like and NOT like both. Which was kind of the point. People arguing that Meyers wanted people to not support Jacob completely ignore the fact that the entire Twilight Saga marketing campaign was built around asking people to choose between them. You can't tell me no one wanted people to support Jacob if they were literally selling team Jacob happy meals at freaking McDonalds. They were trying to get people to support both, and they were massively sucessful at. That's why over a decade later we're still talking about it today, and why Meyers is one of the most sucessful writers in modern literature. My personal opinion is that given the career trajectory of Robert Pattinson in comparrison to Taylor post Twilight, Edward was more popular. But that's just my opinion and I'm sure plenty of team Jacob people would disagree. Point being both had their fair share of supporters and critics, and that was by design. Does Jacob look better than Edward? It depends on ones opinion I suppose. I'd argue that Jacob sexually assaulting Bella was worse than anything Edward did, but again I'm sure plenty of people on team Jacob would disaree. There's plenty of reason to criticize both. And that's part of the reason the triangle became one of the most iconic in history despite being so ridiculously one sided (as it was always super obvious that Jacob never really had a chance).

[@masonallen3961]

So if Edward's permanently stuck in a 1918 mindset does that mean he doesn't think Bella should have the right to vote? Does he support Eugenics? I've got so many questions.

[@BonaparteBardithion]

Since he (almost) died of the Spanish Flu, I wonder where Edward stands on vaccinations? He's probably that guy prodding people to go out and get their shots every year. Oh, wait. He has no mortal friends.

[@rosemali3022]

Hell, their are people these days with that mindset.

[@BonaparteBardithion]

@Blue Heart I don't know if a vamp hybrid would need vaccinations. She might be immune to human diseases. He still might just to keep up appearances when she goes to school. I assume the rest of the Cullens did, though more likely Carlisle forged medical documents for them when needed.

[@othello_red]

@@BonaparteBardithion I don’t think they’d even be able to get the vaccines because their skin couldn’t be penetrated by the needles though yeah?

[@BonaparteBardithion]

@@othello_red Good point.

[@gothicxromantic]

I don’t see the point of going through the trouble of writing a love triangle if you’re just going to get so mad when people end up not unanimously liking Edward that you have to completely ruin one of your main characters lol

[@Xehanort10]

Turning Jacob into an asshole seems like Meyer was having a temper tantrum about people not liking Edward. "I love Edward and want Bella to be with him. How dare my readers not want the same" seems to have been what she was thinking.

[@matthewkoch6937]

@@Xehanort10 If so, that's incredibly immature of her. The author and the reader will never have the exact same reaction to a character or plot.

[@Xehanort10]

@@matthewkoch6937 This is an author who called publishers she went to who didn't want to publish Twilight "mean" like a spoiled little girl. And also got her brother to delete any criticism of the books. She's that insecure and self centred.

[@claudialomeli4048]

It's kind of a thing with badly written love triangles, they either turn one of the love interests into an asshole or kill them, so the author's OTP can triumph.

[@gothicxromantic]

Claudia Lomelí so true lol Or they have the person wind up with no one/ a surprise third option that no one cares about like Sookie in True Blood (the show at least, I didn’t finish the books)

[@TheSwiftie467]

I’m Native American, and Jesus Christ. I always hated how the wolves were written.

[@ShadowPa1adin]

What I found pretty odd about the "imprinting" and grooming-stuff is that it seems more evocative of some parts of white, rural christian culture. You got your really problematic communities like the FLDS-cult and maybe some other Mormon-spinoffs that straight-up marry adults to kids, then you got places today where it is toned-down: it isn't common, but not exactly rare either. I grew up Baptist in a small town, and I know a few women who got married straight out of high-school to men they first met when they were still in their teens and the men were in their twenties. It wasn't until when after I went off to college when I realized how messed-up it was.

[@JacquelineUnderwood]

ShadowPa1adin groom the kids and they won’t leave so their parents won’t shun them and take away their support. Keep them immature and ignorant so they don’t know the truth about leaving. Force them to groom their kids or their entire community and family will shun them, losing every support they have. It’s a key tactic in growing and maintaining these cults. It’s really disgusting that Meyer pushed this narrative on a real group of people, and even worse, I can’t tell if she did it to make them look bad or because she actually saw nothing wrong with it or romanticized the idea of being born to be someone’s companion to the point of not recognizing that there is a line at literal pedophilia and grooming that she shouldn’t cross.

[@rileykim6068]

@@ShadowPa1adin We're talking about a white rural christian here, so she's probably projecting on some level.

[@luminaravelms4701]

@@rileykim6068 She's specifically a Mormon, and they're pretty much a cult

[@Kaiheart]

@@ShadowPa1adin Same experience. Grew up in a very small town that was uber religious and white, like the KKK is still openly active there (one reason I no longer live there). One girl had gotten married at 16 to a 23 year old and had 2 kids with him by graduation, one girl was married at 14 and already had THREE kids by graduation, and 6 other girls were pregnant AT graduation (not even mentioning the 3 pregnant teachers at graduation) - all married or engaged to older men. My graduating class was only 64 people total, and it was the biggest one the school ever had. I was heavily ostracized for not attending church, so I luckily wasn't targeted, but it was still super jarring once I had left that town and look back on it now. And it's terrible to add, but Twilight was SUPER POPULAR at my school, even our English teacher loved them (he's not a decent person either, so not surprising in hindsight). I graduated in 2009, so that time of their release and becoming big with all the teenage girls at my school was a perfect window of disaster and terrible influence, only compounded by the first Twilight movie coming out in 2008. It's not to rag on teenage girls loving something - I'm all for fangirling, do it myself still - but these were just awful books to be so invested in and take life influences from.

[@TheCranberryKnight]

"The non-consensual kiss was the final nail in his personality coffin" Breaking Dawn Jacob is the grave so deep it goes to hell then.

[@theonegoldengryphon]

Jacob: “Oh, you think I’ve reached the bottom of this pit? Jokes on you, I’ve brought my pick axe and I’m ready to dig.”

[@infinitysalinity7981]

Jacob enters the Epstein island

[@breezy3392]

What makes that whole scene even worse is that Jacob never once recognizes or acknowledges that he's done something wrong. All of his behavior after the fact made me sick 🤮

[@passiveagressive4983]

Jacob unfortunately falls into the slimy ‘but I’m the nice guy trope’.

[@noelbernabe8704]

@@breezy3392 Book Jacob was absolutely disgusting in that scene. Makes me wonder why team Jacob continued to exist after Eclipse. That said movie Jacob was a bit better. He still sexually assaults Bella, but in the least he seems to at least understand what he did was wrong. That's a slight improvement.

[@lucindaegonzales]

*sees Dom removing the team Jacob shirt* Yeah, we all saw that coming, sorry Dom.

[@coiler_119]

I think he might end up burning the shirt when he gets to That Part in Breaking Dawn

[@MarjaCamargo]

Exactly what I was going to say. While I wasn’t on Team Jacob when I read the books, I could definitely see the appeal until Eclipse. Then it goes downhill.

[@Haan22]

@@MarjaCamargo At this point I'm grateful that Dom is jumping on this grenade so I don't have to.

[@choryllis6646]

I'd give you a like, but you're at 666 likes and I dare not change that

[@lucindaegonzales]

@@choryllis6646 Omg, thanks for letting me know. I feel like this is perfect irony for a Twilight video

[@morgangobin9985]

“Meyer can write a pretty solid fight scene, which frustrates me considering how often she goes out of her way to avoid doing so.” Me: laughing hysterically at Breaking Dawn. You’re in for the mother of all disappointments, Dom! 😂

[@MeliannYlan]

It was the first time, and the last, that I thought the movie was better than the book, just because of the actual fight scene.

[@commandermercury6654]

It’s been years since I’ve touched anything Twilight related, but even I remember the battle at the end of the Breaking Dawn movie. Best few minutes in the entire franchise, hands down! I hope Dom does a Lost in Adaptation just so we can hear his thoughts on that!

[@caprisonya]

Oh, yeah! The big epic battle that never happens. Dom is not going to be happy!

[@chawndel8279]

I had the same thought! I literally through the book across the room at the end because the massive fight scene was the only thing I looked forward to in the entire series... and it never freaking happened! WTF?!

[@PrinceRilianLunsford]

i was so glad and relieved they didn't do a fight in book 4. the movie sucks.

[@dilayyilmaz92]

My favorite part in Eclipse is Rosalie's backstory. How she killed all the rapists and then killed her ex-fiancé in a wedding dress? Damn, it’s really crazy how much more interesting the backstories of all the characters are than the actual story, reading them in the official twilight guide feels like there could’ve been way better stories set in that world

[@rkah6187]

That's just a rip-off of 'I spit on your grave' tbh

[@sammyruncorn4165]

Definitely agree

[@BellaFalk95]

I really liked her story too. It left a bigger emotinal impact on me than the rest of the book. I cried and cried after I finished that chapter.

[@ianbyrne465]

@@rkah6187 yeah. But do we really think Stephanie Meyer was the type to watch "I Spit On Your Grave?"

[@corruptangel6793]

Don't give Stephanie any ideas for a Prequel series

[@darkpurpleinsanity9461]

So all ive gotten from these reviews is that she should have written literally anything besides romance and it would have been amazing

[@SoulonFire13]

Imagine this kind of love triangle but with horror flavoring. Would have worked so much better

[@TheHiddenDirector]

@@SoulonFire13 I mean, that's basically what Wuthering Heights was, so... just go read that. Meyer even hated it, so bonus points.

[@JoeMama4352]

I actually enjoyed her Sci fi body snatchers book

[@Midorikonokami]

Honestly I would like to record a reading of these books with Bella being honestly and clearly terrified through it all. Take out all her inner thoughts, read her dialogue like someone who is trying to keep their shit together in an abusive situation. It would be brilliant.

[@robertwyatt3912]

Midorikonokami THIS IS THE GREATEST IDEA

[@CyreneDuVent]

I would like to propose team platonic Seth, in which we accept that Seth is the best character and give up on everyone else.

[@МілєнаРусланівнаШведова]

and Leah

[@joannamorganegg7602]

Seth and Leah shall forever be the amazing ones, no argument.

[@daniboy4153]

@@joannamorganegg7602 Agreed

[@SingingSealRiana]

@@МілєнаРусланівнаШведова leah is a toxic mess too though

[@SingingSealRiana]

I liked seth and alice, but yeah, most people where either to little explored to be of any interest or horrible

[@Moonstar79]

The Edward's-sex-before-marriage-spiel reenactment was g o l d

[@powerofanime1]

It really was. XD

[@KnightsaysNi]

I was eating a rather juicy apple at the time, and most unfortunately ended up spraying my poor husband. XD

[@carlotta4th]

"I'll make Jacob a bad guy so people like Edward again!" ...well, making Edward forbid her to have certain friendship, try to force her to obey, and then creepily stalk her is just not doing it for me. Count me in on team "never mind everyone is terrible."

[@newew15]

I'm team Alice

[@KristenMSnyder]

This is why I was always Team Alice.

[@thomasraines1396]

Oxymoon Team Alice is the best team.

[@Gyvulys]

Is it wrong for a man to disagree with his girlfriend meeting other men? That HE KNOWS are actively hitting on her?

[@thomasraines1396]

AmIgOltu this isn’t “disagreeing” he sabotaged her fucking truck to stop her from seeing him.

[@astrid7146]

"MAMA NEEDS HER NECROPHILIA" that killed me omg

[@madamefluffy4788]

I can't wait 'til Dom learns why Jacob was so obsessed with Bella; despite her constant rejections. It'll be thing of beauty! It is also reassuring to finally see a reviewer acknowledge that imprinting is literally romanticized grooming and not some mystical/spiritual thing that defines the truest form of love.

[@mjm3091]

I mean I can't wait for it either - just to point out that it actually opens full on canonical gate of strange Jacob x Edward romance.

[@madamefluffy4788]

@@mjm3091 ...eh?!

[@hannahc3317]

@@madamefluffy4788 because the logic follows that if Jacob was attracted to Bella because of her egg he should also be attracted to Edward because of his sperm?

[@paulgibbon5991]

The "mystic bond" thing in paranormal romance, apart from the free-will related implications, is just lazy a lot of the time. It's a way to skip actually getting to know someone and working out differences with an instant certainty that they're right for each other.

[@madamefluffy4788]

@@hannahc3317 ...oh, good Lord...my brain hurts trying to process that (LOL!)

[@ambervalkerie9134]

I'm surprised you didn't go into detail at Rosalie's backstory, not only was it more interesting than Bella's story but that this was the part where the books were becoming weirdly baby centric.

[@Xehanort10]

I think that's because Mormons have this sexist belief that women only exist to be wives and mothers and nothing else.

[@sammyruncorn4165]

I think that Carlisle's and Alice's backstories are the most interesting, maybe also Edward's hunting murderers and rapists phase. Like... think about it. A priest's son, who hunts Vampires in medieval time, gets turned into one himself. That family drama, that disgust, that will to not become a monster (and instead turn into someone who saves lives/ a doctor) by Carlisle's side. Thats awesome! Also Alice being a mental case (visions) and hunted by a Vampire (James) only to be turned into a Vampire is fricking awesome. Said Vampire getting killed by James as a result, but Alice being save. Those are the stories I'd like to hear! Is there any good fanfiction about that out there? Imagine it... Edward described as not (necessarily) likeable, but a monster with a moral codex, but really sinister/ murderous thoughts at the same time. Trying to justify the whole stuff. That could become some Light Yagami like awesome shit O.O 🙏🏼, were you are like: Is it right? Is it wrong? #mindblown

[@gracekim1998]

Sammy RunCorn Wait is that how Edward became a vampire?

[@lllinai]

Xehanort10 Christians^ thanks

[@sammyruncorn4165]

@@gracekim1998 Nah, that was the spanish pandemic thing, where Carlisle bit him, because he was already as good as dead. The murderer/ rapist phase was him rejecting Carlisle's "vegetarian diet" at first for a while, as far as I remember.

[@KaiseaWings]

The imprinting would have worked really well if what *explicitely never romantic.* Like it was familial, friendship, a close protective bond with someone they knew well. Sort of a 'no matter if we grow apart or you hate me I can't help but feel I need to take care of you' deal.

[@adeyemi120]

Or culturally the wolves actively stay away from the people they imprinted on until they are of age and the court them (you know so grooming is not a thing). Honestly a book about a wolf who find imprinting horrific, who then in turn imprinted on a child, leaves forks because of it for 20 years only to come back and meet her again would be cool. A good author will know how to make this dramatic and keep both leads interesting and human.

[@KaiseaWings]

@@adeyemi120 Eh the issue with that is that it's still non-consensual and has a massive age gap by necessity. It's not like you couldn't make this work, but glossing over the issues and romanticising it all isn't great. It'd be more interesting to actually explore those problems.

[@adeyemi120]

@@KaiseaWings yea this is what I’m talking about. The fact that the wolves have no say in it can make exploring how they handle it interesting if they nope out of the child’s life for 20 years. It will also be interesting to find out about how a person who isn’t mental (like Sam) handles being rejected by an imprinted person

[@scribesorcerer4967]

It definitely would be interesting especially if it causes them to involuntarily transform. Imagine if Jacob imprinted on Bella because he wanted to keep her safe that badly. The second she gets in danger he starts losing control of his transformations. Would have added some extra drama and intrigue to New Moon.

[@KaiseaWings]

@@scribesorcerer4967 It would be drama because unwanted attention is still unwanted, but you could give it more of a tragic angle like 'I just want to keep you safe but my presence is making you feel unsafe and these dumb instincts!' Tricky to balance sure, but not necessarily impossible and without the hopelessly creepy element of romance.

[@just-trying-my-best-everyday]

"sEx? BeFoRe MaRrIaGe?" *faints* Your comedic timing and delivery are absolutely perfection.

[@anarchomando7707]

Oh and Purity or whatever bulshit

[@Alczix]

Well... I mean like Edward has the right to say no. It's his choice, it goes the same way with Bella. No means no baby

[@Gyvulys]

@@anarchomando7707 Just because you disagree with something, doesn't mean it's bs. Many people have such a view, and honestly, it has it's merits. It's a responsible choice.

[@Ilikefrogs..]

Men, of course, have the right to say no. The reason this is funny is because literally every vampire romance novel is 90% sex.

[@theotherghostgirl337]

Even grosser when you realize that imprinting is literally what baby animals do to bond with their mothers

[@theaj7866]

This is an intersting piece of information but it puts the story in a really, really weird perspective...

[@almightykue3914]

She admitted she just stole the word because she liked it

[@screaminggecko7660]

Animals can also imprint on people who raise them. Its why falconers frequently prefer to get baby birds and raise them by hand, they trust people more (especially the person they imprinted on) and are easier to train and more compliant. An imprinted animal trusts their human more than anything else. Its fundamentally about trust and learning behaviors from the thing thats being imprinted on (the parent), in the wild that would keep them alive. Its also something that happens exclusively with babies within a critical age range, you can tame older animals but they dont have that instinct to listen and pay attention to you the way an imprinted baby does Which only makes it worse here imo

[@Haan22]

@@screaminggecko7660 At this point I'm worried "knotting" is going to be a thing...

[@giovanac4820]

@@Haan22 o h n o

[@thatlycantomboy]

Tbh, I was one of the “not like other girls” who didn’t like Twilight despite never reading it (I did watch the first movie tho... so idk) but upon finding out that there was an apparently sweet werewolf boy, one of my favorite tropes I was actually pretty ecstatic. Then one of my friends informed me of what Meyer did to that poor boy. So I feel ya, Dom. I do.

[@sweetbunnybun]

i disliked it before because all girls liked it and now I do because it can give them bad life lessons.

[@lunasmith9367]

This is the exact development I went through-considered myself cooler than the other girls who liked twilight, found out about Jacob n aggressively became team Jacob only later on to find out he was an ass just like Edward anD the creepy imprinting shit

[@elsie8757]

I mean, I disliked it without reading it too when I was younger (and had a friend who was obsessed with it, much to my frustration) but it was because I already knew about all the horrible shit that was in it, sooooo...

[@anothercub6958]

Hated it for the hype at first, then learned about the digusting undertones.

[@lickvinegarkids3654]

I hated it without reading it because I thought choosing a vampire over a werewolf is stupid like werewolves are human except for 12 days in a year I didn't know anything else other than Bella choosing Edward (I didn't hate it for any not like other girls thing since when the book first came out I wasn't conceived yet)

[@satansprguy4404]

"Mama needs her necrophilia" I don't know what I expected but it wasn't this

[@LadyEowyn]

I wasn't prepared for it, but it's not wrong either.

[@jaycievictory8461]

*Jacob describes imprinting* "That's literally what grooming is" Yesssssssss! Been waiting 🙌🙌🙌

[@almightykue3914]

I always thought it was weird and they mention it in the movies too because they comment how the wolf loses basically their sense of self they HAVE to do whatever makes their imprinted one happy and that’s insane yes on babies it’s really really weird and even Bella remarks on it several times But for the adults who imprint on another adult it’s incredibly terrible imagine you lose all self sense because you see someone and suddenly only they matter it’s not a relationship it’s basically turning the wolves into house elves I would have been interested to see what happened had a wolf imprinted on someone who was hostile toward them and what would have happened if that person says go jump off a cliff would the wolf have to?

[@randomnessrules4971]

No, grooming is when your eat bugs out of someone's hair.

[@hinasakukimi]

@@almightykue3914 judging by emily's relationship with sam, even imprinted werewolves can resist the desires of the person they've imprinted on -- to an extent, at least. after all, he gets so angry about her rejecting & insulting him that he transforms and attacks her in a fit of rage, leaving her with a permanently disfigured face. then they have a perfectly happy marriage with her being his housewife 👁️👄👁️ love how stephenie meyer writes relationships!!!

[@strawberrysoulforever8336]

@@hinasakukimi I notice no one ever talks about how Jared imprinted and it was basically the best thing ever for both of them since the girl already had a crush on him.

[@hinasakukimi]

@@strawberrysoulforever8336 there's not really much to talk about. like... i guess that girl kinda lucked out? good for her

[@snarkbotanya6557]

Possibly the worst thing about Jacob's character assassination is: you can make the argument that it was intended as an *upgrade.* Meyer may not always be honest when talking about her process, but she has stated in interviews that she would leave her husband for *either* Edward or Jacob, and that she didn't really intend to write a love triangle until Eclipse. She also portrays Edward as an ideal romantic lead not in spite of his abusive tendencies, but in many cases *because* of them. With all of that together, it's entirely possible that when she wrote Jacob to be more of an asshole in Eclipse, she thought she was making him *better,* not worse. This gets even more plausible if you take a look at other books by Meyer. In The Host, Jared forces a kiss on Melanie when they first meet, and guess what? He becomes her love interest. Also, I'm pretty sure Melanie is seventeen or so at the time, while Jared is in his twenties. *All evidence suggests that Meyer thinks a guy in his twenties forcing a kiss on a teenager is not only acceptable, but romantic.*

[@margaretschaufele6502]

Oh dear.

[@mittag983]

I hate Stephanie with all my heart

[@LunarSpiral1127]

If this is how Dominic felt about Jacob in Eclipse, then.....god, he's gonna have a field day with Breaking Dawn. *shudders* Edit: Holy crap, over 1.7K likes?! That has never happened before, thanks guys. ^_^

[@emmalang4954]

And let's not get started on the whole imprinting shenanigans, he thought a 2yr old was bad..?

[@madamefluffy4788]

I wait with baited breath a full tub of popcorn at the ready. His rage and/or disappointment will be legendary.

[@amiefortman7220]

Also, am I crazy, or does the imprinting thing also feel like a form of lowkey rape apologism? Especially since only the male characters seem to experience it (we never hear from Leah in regards to it). "He can't help his urges, he's a man, what did you expect?" It's just... multiple layers of gross, and Dom's gonna hate it. ://

[@alexgrant3633]

Im still wondering, why the f-- did stephanie think it was a good idea to make a werewolf fall in love or "imprint" on a baby? Did she give a good explantion for that?

[@Torlik11]

Shhh, don't spoil the surprise for him!

[@Moonstar79]

"Wow, he took off the Team Jacob shirt after reading Eclipse. What a shock." -Nobody

[@lifeisterrible2998]

Hey, give Odysseus some credit man don't just use his pseudonym.

[@Moonstar79]

@@lifeisterrible2998 Ah, yes, as I recall, Odysseus was a big fan of Twilight

[@Resonantscythe]

Dominic: I'm worried about the baby obsession in these books. Everyone who read these books :😅😏

[@josephinewiengard5393]

Dom, in last video: Jacob for Best Boy, I’m Team Jacob! comment section: wait for it- Dom, after reading Eclipse: **LOOK AT HOW THEY HAVE MASSACRED MY BOY** edit: wow, I made this comment before I watched the part of the video where Dom quotes this line asdfghjklmajskajahs

[@merrittanimation7721]

comment section: Excellent.

[@Tustin2121]

That’s a quote? From what?

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

@@Tustin2121 The Godfather

[@Xehanort10]

@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep It's from the bit where Vito Corleone takes his son Santino/ Sonny's body to the funeral parlour and asks Bonasera the undertaker to make the body look presentable because Vito didn't want Sonny's mother to see him riddled with bullet holes.

[@gamerguy19981]

So can we appreciate that not only does Dom own a "Team Jacob" shirt but he now also owns a shirt just to say that everyone in Twilight is terrible. Also while I can't speak for the books, Bella's dad (at least with the films) seems to be a genuinely good guy who deserves a waaaaay better kid

[@bef9612]

Where can I buy the undershirt lol

[@theotherghostgirl337]

Yeah Charlie doesn’t deserve any of this bullshit

[@KoiPuff]

Charlie was okay in the books too. Bella basically ignores him so you don’t get updates but for the most part he seems like an awkward Dad who’s just doing his best.

[@hunterfox6176]

In a perfect universe, there exists a novel series about a small town sheriff who meets up with his estranged daughter, attempts to make her comfortable in her new home and forms a healthy relationship based on mutual trust and respect while simultaneously piecing together ominous clues about bizarre deaths occurring about town, finally realizing that two groups of supernatural beasts exist in his home and are currently threatening the lives of himself and his daughter. He learns that one of the prominent families in town are actually vampires, one of whom happens to be in a relationship with his daughter and that they may actually be keeping her safe, but struggling quite hard to do so. Following novels catalogue his clumsy attempts at fatherhood with an expanding set of skills developed solely for fighting off the monsters that threaten his home and family, while juggling the potential pros and cons to embracing one of the supernatural forces in order to better fight both of them off. If only...

[@mollystewart740]

#CharlieDeservedBetter

[@Jinxness]

'Sam imprinted on Emily, she didn't accept him because of his relationship with Leah. Even after she found out about his newfound wolf form and new abilities, she still brushed him off, trying to convince him to return to Leah's arms. This went on for a while when Sam visited her daily and she rejected him every time. Sam, outraged, lost control of himself, phased into a werewolf and scarred her badly enough that 'mauled by a bear' was the only plausible cover story. Bella describes the wound as three deep scars that run along the right side of her face and distort her features, pulling down the corner of her eye and her mouth. As time went on, Emily finally accepted Sam after realizing her feelings for him and after getting to know him better despite her initial attitude towards him. She later tells Leah that she and Sam are together, which Leah had counted on not happening. Emily ended up being the caretaker of Sam and his pack, cooking, cleaning and finding clothes for them. ' from the wiki She wasn't even dating Sam when the abuse occurred. He maimed his girlfriends cousin. The maimed girl is then convinced to not only lie for him to avoid him committing suicide but then falls in love with him AFTER the attack. Emily is not a werewolf there is no magic connection on her end. She falls in love and moves in with her cousins boyfriend after her maims her face and body for rejecting him repeatedly something that is clearly known to everyone in the tribe. It seems really clear that Myers has at least unconscious racial bias going on.

[@claytonbroyles8332]

Racial but also extremely misogynist

[@tamakunminnip2117]

Actually Sam lost his temper because Emily told him he was just like his father (who walked out on him and his mother) and he only hurt her cause she was standing to close when he phased having ignored him when he told her to back off.

[@Jinxness]

@@tamakunminnip2117 You understand that makes it worse? It's not her responsibility to not make him angry or get out of his way after he sought her out for a relationship she didn't want. The proper response to rejection is to leave someone alone not put yourself in a position to lose control and hurt them.

[@tamakunminnip2117]

@@Jinxness yeah I agree with that I just wanted people to have all the facts when coming to a conclusion.

[@bethanychatman9531]

Sam accidentally scarred her after they had already been together.

[@eustaciavye9161]

There really was an issue with the sound unfortunately. I missed a lot of the dialogue as it was drowned out by the sound of Emily Brontë spinning in her grave.

[@MarieHP]

Omg you killed me 😂

[@tinymxnticore]

The perfect comment doesn't exi--

[@Lyendith]

Those "reading too deep" tangents almost make me wish Dom would rewrite the books himself…

[@LadyEowyn]

I'd read them of he does.

[@zicyzacbonanza]

My addition to this book's theory. It's the chief from the story. Tricked Edward into going after a spirit bird on his hunting trip and swapped places with him so he could be real again.

[@PrototypeSpaceMonkey]

This theory is literally the plot of [SPOILER WARNING] ... ... ... Muramasa: The Demon Blade. More specifically, the "good" ending you get when you 100% the game. If you consider stealing the body of the douchebag fiancee of the woman you love and lying to her for the rest of your married lives "good", anyway.

[@TheAmityElf]

Your perturbed expression when you said "Jasper was a major in the Confederate army" was delightful. When I was showing my cousins the movie version a couple weeks ago (after having mentioned that Jasper is a Confederate in the books), they were hoping aloud that the movies wouldn't mention it, so when he said the line "All the training the Confederate army gave me...", they protested vociferously and it was just a joy. We group-roasted Jasper for the entire following scene, though I did interject that the movie at least had him leave the vampire wars because he felt bad about hurting people and not just because his side was losing. Seriously, though, Jasper being a Confederate really affected me a bit as a kid. I had already started to like his character in the first two books, because I thought his power was cool and I liked the way he twirled Alice in the first movie, so as a black preteen who'd had a racist history teacher already emphasize that we shouldn't take all that Confederate stuff personally (cue Present Me rolling my eyes), I pretty much had to tell myself, "Okay, this is fine, it doesn't matter that he fought for slavery." But subliminally, I was also aware, "This is not for me; this character absolutely would not care about me, and evidently none of the other characters would either, because no one is bringing up the whole slavery thing."

[@ashyroy9454]

Because it happened 150 years ago, duh. Not that Carlisle will care about you, cause he's even older or Rosalie, she's from beginning of the 20th century or Edward or Alice who's old enough too. It's like forgetting that men did never had a choice go to army or not and pretending that he was in the army because he wanted to. Like seriously?

[@mirta000]

when a war happens, don't internalize what side is for what. Majority of all armies are conscripted by force, so you're fighting "so that bad guys don't win and do horrible things to your family", not for a specific ideal. Not saying that there aren't people fighting for a specific ideal, but majority of the army won't know much as to what they're fighting for outside of that.

[@Serilia]

@@mirta000 Sure, but most people's reaction would still be to think about the racism and slavery. The book could have acknowledge it, if only to present this argument, with Bella having at least a mild reaction and prompting a discussion on the subject.

[@c-puff]

I'm not from the US so my understanding of this was literally never more than "Oh Jasper was in the civil war". I had literally never thought about this before and jfc I am SO SORRY D: I can't IMAGINE how shitty that must feel. When you learn not only is a character you already like terrible, but so are the other characters for not calling them out on their garbage. I really hope that you've found better books to read and move on to because that's such bullshit.

[@mirta000]

@@Serilia it would be very odd to have a mild reaction to a war that happened 150 years ago. Bella could have asked about his views on slavery directly, I suppose, but you deffo shouldn't assume war veterans feelings on the wars that they have been in.

[@LadyHuggington]

Everyone spare a thought for poor Dom as he discovers exactly how far the character assassination of Jacob goes in the next book.

[@andreagriffiths3512]

🍿I can’t wait

[@alisa9040]

Ha. Hahaha. 😄 🤣 😂 😆 😄

[@fermintenava5911]

I feel with him... This book did one for Moustache-Dad, too 😢

[@windsroad-]

when I was a pre-teen reading these books I missed a lot of the bad things about them, but one of the things I DID notice was the obsession with immortality and never growing old. it fucked me up a little back then. I was like, 12, and these books were telling me that my life was basically over in five years!!

[@alarcon99]

Oh you sweet summer child...

[@ChaosTherum]

I think there is just a pretty strong want for immortality in humans in general. I definitely get the appeal of being forever in your early 20s.

[@21700r]

@@ChaosTherum As do I, but I also think watching nearly everyone you loved as a mortal die, every trace of the very society that birthed you eventually ground to dust beneath time's heel, would be a torture we literally can't comprehend. For me, personally, immortality could quite possibly be the cruelest of curses. (I definitely resonated with Buffy & it's themes more than I ever did Twilight)

[@gabrielaferreira2719]

Realising my age issues since reaching 18 years might be related to this shit series, make me actually want to strangle Bella

[@windsroad-]

@@ChaosTherum but compared to most books pre-teens read, which are about coming of age and the excitement of growing up, the twilight books are a middle-aged woman's mid-life crisis channeled into a teenage girl, largely read by even younger girls... very unhealthy. (I love content about immortal characters, but I'm a fan of the "immortality sucks, actually" model)

[@gemstonerose4648]

Taking the spirit theory a step further: Jacob is the one who took over Edwards body and Edward took over Jacobs. It would explain why "Edward" did everything to make Bella happy and why "Jacob" insisted that Bella actually loved him but didn't know it yet. (this theory doesn't hold up the second you look into it but its fun to imagine)

[@TheSongwritingCat]

I was honestly thinking this was where he was going. Jacob leaves his body and Edward possesses him as he has an unhealthy jealousy and perhaps thinks it will be easier to romance Bella if he's not a vampire. But since he's awful and Jacob is kind, Bella is only more in love with "Edward" and they live out the rest of their lives like this, unable to switch back.

[@josephinewiengard5393]

“That’s literally what grooming is. You are describing grooming!” “... D-don’t be judgy about other people’s cultures, Bella!”

[@CantyCanadian]

Something something horrible excuse to defend Cuties.

[@zevadprime]

@@CantyCanadian apparently Cuties is the damnation of the rushed sexualizing of tweens. At least that's what I read. Female coming of age movies is not my cup of tea. So I have not seen Cuties. Have you? Cause you're not going to accuse a movie you never watched of being about something else with out watching it right?

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

Captain America: “You can’t just commit genocide!” Red Skull: “Why are you judging other people’s cultures, you intolerant bigot?!

[@thegodofalldragons]

@@zevadprime I've heard that argument, but I've also heard people saying right back, "Dude, you can't just SAY that's what it's about without doing anything to SHOW that in the work itself!"

[@luluthe7401]

@@zevadprime i've tried to see, but i had to stop. Is VERY europe-centric. pretty much, tweens sexualization from adult and between them was.. too realistic. Doesn't help that the camera work is equivalent of softcore CP. i see that this is somenthing very personal from the autor, because i can see my cousins and situations i was in , but somehow it became .. just softocore.

[@Dominic-Noble]

I still don't know what a Dave and Buster is....

[@Jumpingjaxx]

I felt that 🤣🤣

[@SamAronow]

It's Chuck-E-Cheese for adults. Or was. I've been away from the US for three years and don't know if they still exist.

[@graces.4523]

Adult chuck e cheese

[@loveandpeace3345]

An arcade?

[@nicholaskingmequeen]

It's a bit like, a big arcade with a bar

[@cherchezlafemme3]

Dom: *Expresses concerns about the concept of Imprinting* Me: Oh you sweet summer child.

[@CarrieCarolyn]

The body snatcher was Cedric Diggory. Only the truest of Hufflepuffs would risk releasing themselves as an imposter because they couldn't not be kind.

[@DenDenMushi17]

Still a better plot than the cursed child

[@tristanhartup4936]

Or maybe it's Batman

[@geoffreypeterson8903]

The imprinting thing always weirded me out about Meyer's lore building. If I was being generous, I can see it as a way out of writing herself into a corner in New Moon by making Jacob seem like a better match but is not truly fated for Bella. Werewolves imprint on their "True Loves" (for lack of a more complete term) when they see them. However, Jacob doesn't imprint on Bella, even though he wants her. Therefore, Bella isn't Jacob's fated True Love. Team Jacob loses, but the diehards don't have to feel bad! BUT. Meyers takes the imprinting to an inappropriate and uncomfortable level by involving children. It normalizes toxic behaviors like grooming and attraction to minors. She did NOT need to include that!

[@sweetbunnybun]

in the next book it says that he imprinted on her unborn daughter and not on bella, makes no sense. he imprinted on her egg and edward's sperm?

[@juliameyer10313]

@@sweetbunnybun sperm doesn't live that long. Imagine how weird he felt before the wedding when he suddenly had the hots for Edward.

[@juliameyer10313]

As someone who didn't really read the books (just parts of it) but watched the movies (as long as the pack or volturi were on screen) and read a bit on the wiki (I was bored) I viewed it as merely soulmateism, still being super weird because renesmee but I didn't want her to exist in general. And then I found out about Quil.

[@MidoriNatsume]

I mean, it would had been fine to go as far as adolescence since an animal would be attracted to another member of it's species when they are able to mate and humans are fully sexually formed around age 12-13, but why the fuck would you imprint on a newborn since it will take years before being able to reproduce. Also I would call bullshit the spiritualistic explanation because as far as I understood everything in the Twilight universe works on a pseudo-biological science. (Feel free to correct me)

[@digitalization]

Actually, I believe (never read the series myself but I read a lot of essay summaries lol) Edward's sperm WAS alive for that long. Vampires can't have children, it's why the one other vampire lady hates Bella's guts, she's jealous Bella is still human then and can have children. The only reason Edward got a kid is because he didn't nut for however long he's been a vampire so his first, er, release since becoming a vampire which had his frozen sperm from when he was still a human worked. ...I feel like I know too much.

[@Botandarun]

The imprinting on children is just so unnecessary and icky and I just don't know why Stephenie went there at all. Why not introduce the imprinting concept but just have all instances in the book be only adults? I've read many fantasy romance stories that have a similar element of the couple being matched by some sort of magic as a true match and I actually enjoy that trope - it's pretty fun to see shenanigans and awkwardness ensue as strangers get to know each other while one or both of them knows they're true loves - but ALL of these books just give a wide berth to the "imprinting on a CHILD" bit and conveniently only pair up consenting adults cause otherwise it's just SO WRONG. I think the closest I've seen is another novel where the male lead encounter his true love from afar when she's 15, so he leaves before even interacting with her at all and comes back in her life to introduce himself only when she's THIRTY. Like the author really threw in some extra years in there just to be sure she's in the clear cause that is just very dangerous territory but Stephenie Meyer just hops right into it not realizing at all what the problem is...

[@alisaurus4224]

The Time Traveler’s Wife by Audrey Niffenegger actually deals with this idea of a “fated” love being a trap that the girl (who met her eventual husband when he was 40ish and she was six or so, due to his involuntary time travel to her home) never had a chance to leave because he had always been in her life. It’s an incredible book and not afraid to confront the darker implications of its premise.

[@jennifermems1111]

According to Amanda the Jedi's recent video, Meyer does the same thing in The Host, with a main character who is 17 meeting her future lover when she was 17 and he was in his late 20's, and 3 years later changing age again to 16--but looking 15 or 14--and lying that she's 18 so she can still get with the same guy. Gives me the heebee jeebees.

[@lightworker221]

Not to mention all of the fanfic (namely mate type fanfic) in the Harry Potter universe that makes an age rule. At least the vast majority do.

[@margaretschaufele6502]

Pretty sure its to quickly wrap up the problems between the vampires and werewolves in the last book. Jacob imprints on Bella and Edward's newborn daughter and forgets all intents to kill her, happy ending for him and no harm can come to her without destroying him too so antagonism between werewolves and at least the Cullen clan suddenly goes away. Basically the possibility of imprinting on children is just to foreshadow that easy resolution.

[@HerrMisterTheo]

The conflict between the werewolves and the vampires was about to escalate into the werewolves killing all the Cullens for what seemed like Bella's death (or her vampire transformation? I forgot the specifics). Then when Jacob imprinted on the baby they couldn't harm her, because it's a big no-no to harm the person someone's imprinted on. It was basically a quick way to get rid of that conflict. Personally I didn't interpret imprinting as paedophilia and grooming and more as adoptive parenting followed by hardcore simping and white-knighting, but it's been a decade since I read the books, so I may just have missed the red flags as a teen, I dunno.

[@bradwolf07]

"I guess we're getting married then, CAUSE Mama needs her necrophilia" I choked on the food I was eating. Well Done Mr. Noble, well done.

[@barleysixseventwo6665]

“Don’t worry guys! We got a tactician who fought for the Confederacy to lead us into battle!” Err, are you sure 19th century battle tactics have any sort of bearing on a melee war between vampires and werewolves?

[@almightykue3914]

Jasper was also turned to fight in what were called the newborn wars so he had more than a century fighting and killing newborns so he was the right choice.

[@jayrucks5885]

A good tactician tends to have underlying talents that help you in many circumstances. for a random example a chef who specialized in Cajun food for 40 years while not on his home turf per se would probably fare better cooking Italian than someone who has no real cooking experience at all.

[@nocturnalizzie]

Like Almighty Kue said, it wasn't necessarily Jasper's time in the human military that made him qualified to coach everyone for the battle. The vampires who turned him were using an army of newborn vampires to fight for feeding territory against other clans with their own armies of freshly made vampires. He has a ton of experience with how newborns think, how they fight, and what their weaknesses are.

[@Tareltonlives]

Ironically a lot of Civil War battles turned into melees thanks to everyone ignoring how deadly the weapons were and fighting in really thick woods. So it wasnt' really a taught tactic, but a lot of battles turned into brawls. Famously, there was Miliken's Bend: veteran Texans attacked a green unit (many of them didn't even know how to reload) of African Americans defending Grant's supply lines during the siege of Vicksburg. The white officers fled, and the pursuing Texans, shouting "no quarter", ran into the freed slaves from Louisiana and Mississippi who stood their ground. Apparently rifles were used for clubbing and stabbing so hard they BROKE. "Big Jack Jackson passed me like a rocket. With the fury of a tiger he sprang into that gang and crushed everything before him. There was nothing left of Jack's gun except the barrel and he was smashing everything he could reach. On the other side of the levee, they were yelling "Shoot that big n___! Shoot that n____!" while Jack was daring the whole gang to come up and fight him. Then a bullet reached his head and he fell full on the levee."-David Cornell, 8th Illinois Artillery

[@anarchomando7707]

@@Tareltonlives why do I not learn a lot of this in history class

[@InfiniteAnvil]

"Meyer seeming to have a solid understanding of what a horrific experience it is to be assaulted, and the talent to convey it in her story, makes it so much worse that she seems to believe you should put it behind you if they say "Sorry about that" and give you a halfway-thoughtful gift." Oh you sweet summer child. Women in conservative Christian culture have been expected to forgive men for assaulting them for centuries, whether the attacker apologizes or not. And Meyer grew up Mormon. Obviously I can't know this for certain, but given the realism of the description and how common sexual assault is and has been, I'd guess this is loosely based on something that happened to her - and which she was therefore expected to forgive. The apology and the gift *are wish fulfillment*.

[@gregorythestallion2984]

Not really, in fact, there were actually pretty heavy punishment for men (and his animals... for some reason) for men who abuse a woman. I'm not saying it has never happened, but is definitly not as common as people say.

[@driathewifeofAgatha]

@@gregorythestallion2984 lol not in highly religious cults and that's what Mormonism is, a cult.

[@panonymousbloom5405]

@@gregorythestallion2984 *in theory*, sure. not much in practice - in practice, women are expected to just bare it to not "make a fuss", because that would hurt the man's reputation. speaking frow own experiences.

[@Dragoderian]

@@gregorythestallion2984 In Mormonism? Hah. Yeah, right.

[@chelonianmobile]

@@gregorythestallion2984 In the actual Bible, yeah. But since when have conservative Christian sects actually ever read that thing?

[@kimifw58]

You can't hide a scent from a wolf by covering it up with another scent. Canine noses can pick up individual scents, not just the strongest ones. For example, when you smell a pizza, you just smell a pizza, maybe the toppings too. When a dog smells a pizza, it smells the cheese, the sauce, the crust, the seasonings, the cardboard box it's in, etc.

[@nocturnalizzie]

They weren't trying to hide Bella's smell from a wolf, though. They had Jacob use his wolfy stink to cover her trail so that the newborn vampires would be so disgusted that they wouldn't even check if there was any Bella smell underneath all of the wet dog. I can't remember for sure but I feel like they even mentioned that an older/experienced vampire might still detect the Bella smell but the newborns were too, well, new to do that.

[@Tareltonlives]

Well she also believes wolves imprint on mates ON THEIR BIRTH

[@anarchomando7707]

@@Tareltonlives and most likely for life with multiple sister wives Remember Mormons were polygamists

[@Starfire861]

Huh, TIL. No wonder my dog likes the smell of people food so much!

[@robinchesterfield42]

Oooh, you think THIS book is Jacob's character assassination? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA that's adorable. Oh you poor, poor man... Also loved Edward's literal fainting away like an 1800's southern belle, and "Well I guess we're getting married then, 'cos Mama needs her necrophilia!" XD

[@amypatterson7395]

Okay, so re: Meyers supposedly basing Eclipse off of Wuthering Heights. I remember reading Wuthering Heights in early high school (a little bit before the Twilight craze blew up) and to this day I LOVE that book, for basically the exact reason that Edward apparently hates it. Heathcliff and Catherine are both pretty godawful people who spend their existences destroying the lives of basically everyone they come into contact with. They're perfect for each other, in that they're both toxic monsters. And Heathcliff is very explicitly a deconstruction of the Byronic hero - a brooding man who you can change and open their heart with the power of your own love! - to the point that he actively MOCKS another character for thinking of him that way. The ONLY thing that I can see regarding Eclipse connecting to Wuthering Heights is that she's presumably basing the Edward-Bella-Jacob love triangle off of the Heathcliff-Catherine-Edgar love triangle, where Edward/Edgar is the high-status, clean cut man of wealth and class and Heathcliff/Jacob is the "wild", "dark-skinned", DEFINITELY-not-white man who has no status, prestige, or wealth. Which I guess would explain why Edward hates the idea that of Heathcliff (Jacob) and Catherine (Bella) being perceived as a romantic couple, claiming that it's a "hate story." Mostly it just confirms that Meyers has no understanding of Wuthering Heights as a novel. (And as a bonus, there are some lowkey racist implications thrown in too!)

[@bert1029]

I love your interpretation but I always assumed he saw himself as Heathcliff, and him hating the story was a reflection of his own self-loathing? It has been a solid ten years since I read the Twilight books, though.

[@NathanielTavington]

Growing up in the Utah LDS circle, I can testify that all the moral problems that Meyer celebrates, such as grooming, forgiving your abusers, praising the "it's for your own good" or "look what you made me do" attitudes in your Perfect Husband Material... it's not uncommon, and if anyone has a problem with it, it's just swept under the rug. It's pretty bad.

[@l.tc.5032]

It actually makes me feel kinda bad for Meyer, poor girl was brainwashed.

[@lightworker221]

I was looking for this comment. I've watched too many Ex-Mormon and Escaping Polygamy videos, so Dominic's analysis had me realizing how much Mormonism appears in the book.

[@DarthVaderReturns1]

nuttymadam3575 thiks and beileves the twilight saga is the greatest thing on earth i always wanted to have a debate with her because she talks soo much trash about one of the greatest authors of the 21st century and this author said this about stephenie meyer stephen king said stephenie meyer cant write a book worth a darn what nuttymadam3575 says about stephen king is wrong stephen king is a king hes the king of kings when it comes down to writing books hes written over 100 books

[@Grayxyz]

@@DarthVaderReturns1 Dude.... Punctuation is nothing to be scared of. Use it once in a while.

[@DarthVaderReturns1]

@@Grayxyz iv een typing with one finger for quit sometime even when my mom was alive i was only typing with one finger yes i know t sounds crazy but thats just how i type on my laptop

[@dathore]

so, should we now call, self sabotaging your own characters for a poor OTP ship, "pulling an Eclipse"?

[@Linhdoesstuff]

MAKE IT A THING!

[@thomasraines1396]

Yes do it!

[@AJ-The-Bumblebee]

Technically that already exists, in the "Ron the Deatheater" trope. I.E. Making a character that could mess up your OTP into a complete monster so no one sympathizes with them, regardless of any actual previous characterization.

[@dathore]

@@AJ-The-Bumblebee I guess that's true, but "pulling an Eclipse" sounds a lot catchier :P

[@morganrobinson8042]

@@dathore "Ron the Deatheater" and "Draco in Leather Pants" are fanfic staples, but only really work if there is a pre-existing canon for the current author to get wrong. "pulling an Eclipse" can be the term for messing up your own characters.

[@TheCoelura]

"He’d squared up to the werewolf, fists balled, a stance taken straight from Fig. 1 of The Noble Art of Fisticuffs, which looked impressive right up to the point when your opponent broke your nose with a quart mug." - Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant

[@ttjc3696]

I always felt like Leah was trying to commit suicide to get out of being trapped in her ex fiance's thoughts which consisted of; him fawning over his new fiance/ her cousin and ex-best friend, him reliving his past with her, questioning why he didn't imprint on her, and comparing her to Emily. Add to that the fact that she can feel his love for Emily (which dwarfs his love for her) and his guilt about her pain (which the rest of the pack can feel and resents her for)and that legit everyone just thinks she should move on and be happy for Sam and Emily. At that point in time suicide would have been the only way for her to break the connection/ leave the pack.

[@Xehanort10]

Jacob's pack seem like a bunch of assholes if they think Leah being tormented by Sam's thoughts about Emily somehow makes her a bitch. And since Sam ends up slashing Emily's face for rejecting him and out of fear that he'll hurt her again or kill her she develops Stockholm Syndrome and stays with him no one should be happy for them.

[@bettycherrypie]

The imprinting still makes me nauseous. I'm sorry you had to read that garbage.

[@MissAnglewolf]

I imagine it's mentally taxing if you imprint on a child because any competently written character would hate themselves for that.

[@Lavenderbutterscotch]

@@MissAnglewolf Imagine Imprinting on an unfertilized egg inside of a woman and you have the disgusting idiocy of Jacob's "true love".

[@Xehanort10]

@@Lavenderbutterscotch The bit where it's basically revealed that Jacob was never attracted to Bella but to the unfertilised eggs in her womb was sick.

[@gabnel1000]

I might be the only who didn't give "imprinting" much thought?

[@Jenny-sq2pr]

@@gabnel1000 no, your not the only one. When I was reading this in high school none of the imprinting/grooming or normalization of domestic violence clicked. Fast forward 10+ years after being reminded the books even existed and oooh boy. Now I see it. But back when I read them. Def not.

[@sydnegernaat195]

Anyone else think that Dom was suggesting that Jacob and Edward switched bodies? Like not even a general body snatching thing - specifically how that would explain the personality changes of Jacob and Edward. Meyer certainly didn't intend that, but I'd be interested to see where Jacob's really douche behavior begins in relation to Edward's personality switch.

[@emilysmith7593]

Okay so i hate to be the one to tell you this but that was the original ending for eclipse when she first wrote it and Twilight was a trilogy not four books

[@noelbernabe8704]

Jacobs douche behavior arguably begins when he first went to the movies with Bella and Mike back in New Moon. I think turning into a werewolf can do that. In the least, you can see his manipulative side at the end of New Moon when he attempts to get Bella grounded with the motor cycles. I think the idea is less that there was a switch and more that both of them (all 3 lead characters really) were acting like douches. Though there is a shift in Edwards behavior after he returns from the second hunt and decides to stop preventing Bella from going to La Push. That's midway through Eclipse, so he arguably gets a shif a bit earlier than Bella and Jacob.

[@ninawth]

I have to admit I'm still hoping for a Lost in Adaptation series, but I totally understand if he doesn't want to watch the films.

[@ninawth]

@@glockenrein Oh, I think they're hilarious to watch, but I just also understand that someone may not want to. That's all I was trying to say :)

[@ninawth]

@@glockenrein You may like the edits by Synthetic Rose, such as "Twilight is actually pretty funny". It shows some clips that are genuinely funny while also adding commentary here and there in written text that makes them even better. That person has made a whole series of video's like that and they are an absolute riot.

[@ambervalkerie9134]

I actually find the films better than the books but then again its not that hard to do better than Twilight

[@parkjoyous]

I agree! The people want it haha

[@tovekauppi1616]

glockenrein and the music works really well thematically as well as just being great songs. Also, a lot of the fight scenes that happen of screen in the books are shown in the movies. They have a lot going for them.

[@peanutpie5042]

So why can't I get a "nevermind. They are all terrible" shirt?!

[@shariqali9656]

Pro tip: You can use sites like teespring to write whatever you want on your t shirts or hoodies and deliver it to you

[@MsOopsiDaisy]

They probably want to support the creator with their purchase tho

[@peanutpie5042]

@@MsOopsiDaisy I, in fact do! Gotta support independent artists and creators!

[@fourcatsandagarden]

Team "Bella coulda and shoulda done better"

[@nonspiderweb]

So is "It's Not that Deep Bro" going to become a t-shirt? I'd buy one.

[@henlex6424]

Jacob's character assassination was so disappointing I genuinely throw all the bad shit out of my brain. New moon Jacob is the only jacob

[@annedavis3340]

Relatable content

[@annlee8361]

Yes. New moon Jacob is my only Jacob.

[@angelamartzen7499]

YES! Exactly! New Moon Jacob is the only Jacob, everything else after that just does not count AT ALL in my mind. I remember one time a few years ago while reading a pro-Jacob fanfic, someone commented that it would have actually been better for all of our sanity if Jacob had just died when he was injured in Eclipse. That way at least he wouldn't have to go through the complete and utter bullshit that happened to his character in Breaking Dawn. But yeah, if everything from Eclipse through BD was going to happen, then I would much rather his character be permanently gone after Bella dissed him to go save Edward in Italy. He would have been able to stay the great guy he was and been able to walk away from all the crap that was going to happen.

[@damesayo4656]

Unless the author say he pretended in the New Moon. The whole time.

[@isabelle9548]

jacob literally went from sweet young boy to angsty, controlling, massive, incel

[@ddietz8778]

With the tiny ponytail now I feel like Dom could do a cosplay as Jim from Treasure Planet. Actually, that wouldn’t be too bad an idea if he ever does a book to film adaption for treasure island.

[@BonaparteBardithion]

It's a terrible adaptation as most wildly different adaptations are. But I'd like to see his take as it's a good film.

[@phastinemoon]

BonaparteBardithion As far as I can tell, it’s an adaptation of some OTHER films of Treasure Island - in that everyone I know who likes it claims it’s faithful in stuff like the relationship between Jim and Silver (despite the fact that it’s NOT in the book)

[@BonaparteBardithion]

@@phastinemoon Jim and Silver had a relationship in the book (or at least the copy I read, which might have been abridged - it was 20 years ago), but most of it was in Jim's head. There was a scene where he catches Silver giving someone else the same pro-piracy spiel and realizes he didn't have a friend, he had a recruiter.

[@akiriith]

I generally read Jacob's "character assasination" less as that and more because he always enjoyed freedom, the ability to choose, and having a normal life. Becoming a werewolf... soured all that. Suddenly he has no freedom- he has an Alpha that he MUST obey without question, he had no choice about becoming a giant dog, and he has no shot at a normal life. He becomes very very bitter at it, and hates the Cullens for that from the very bottom of his heart. In a way, I feel like his character is less about Bella than its about her agency. Much like Rosalie, Jacob envies Bella's ability to choose and cannot accept the fact that she's choosing "wrong", as in the opposite of what he would choose. Its just that because he loves her he directs that anger to Edward, and even to Bella hersrlf, forcing himself on her and stuff. It doesnt make him likeable but it does make him interesting from my pov. Its way better than "sweet cinnamon roll who can do no wrong". Obviously, drawing the line at the abuse and defense of grooming. I would really like to see what had Edward change his mind too. I dont think its entirely out of nowhere- he simply realized what he was doing wrong, that he HAD been being a selfish jerk, and worked to better himself. I appreciate that. But I would still have liked to see it. It does feel out of the blue even if I get where it came from. Lastly, for Jasper, honestly.. I just do death of the author here. Imo, Meyer just probably supports it. But in canon? I actually LIKE that part of his character. Jasper was a proud, ambitious fool who didnt even seem to care what he was fighting for. Once changed, he paid the price for fighting for the Confederacy. He became the general of a hellish war for over a century. He had a gift that made it impossible to NOT sympathize with people, to NOT feel their pain and despair when he killed them. He's uniquely situated to see that race doesnt make them different or lesser, they're all people and feel the same way. Considering despite the whole "unchanging personality" Jasper displays no hint of racism in the books, I kinda choose to see it as his experiences burning it out of him. After killing and killing for so long, does race even matter? they're all soldiers he would kill anyway. The idea of paying so brutally for choosing to be a Confederate- something that clearly still haunts him- is honestly fascinating to me. Even if its a stupid headcanon and I still hate that Meyer chose to do this.

[@yunamchill9169]

Completely agree with you here. Jasper is a fascinating character and has always been one of my faves.

[@margaretschaufele6502]

I wondered if it was more because he was born and raised in Texas. Was joining the confederate side of the war just expected of him because he was from the south? I don't feel knowledgeable about that area precisely to argue it, but since race is almost never mentioned in the books I don't think Jasper was written as a racist. His only details about his actions as a human soldier in the war was helping to evacuate civilians (specifically women and children) from a city that was going to be attacked. Sadly, what people don't often consider is that most people in the North and those fighting against slavery, were not any less racist than those in the South. And that's still true today.

[@loganbigmo]

Even the "unchanging personality" is fluid. In _Midnight Sun_ Edward says that vampires are frozen with the same mindset they had when they became vampires, but that it was still _possible_ to advance/mentally grow and change that mindset, although he mentions it is typically hard to do so. So it's just Meyer's way of saying "Well yes my characters do evolve and are capable of growth, but I need that mindset line to be established so I can say that Edward is still technically 17 so he can be with Bella no problem."

[@thomasraines1396]

Jasper being a Confederate would’ve been easier to take (instead of just easily cutting it all together) if it was handled like Jonah Hex from DC comics: Jonah makes it explicitly clear he’s only fighting because the south as his home and doesn’t care about any of the slavery nonsense and even then he realizes it’s wrong and turns himself over to the Union as a prisoner of war, or alternatively like Ghost Rider: Trail of Tears where the main character (Travis) not only abandoned the Confederacy after being saved from death by a black man (a man named Caleb) he (like Jonah) gives his reasons for being apart of it which has nothing to do with slavery however unlike Jonah his reason for doing so is more personal as a Union Soldier killed his father. However we don’t get any of that, not only is Meyer not skilled enough to pull something like that off Jasper only speaks fondly of his service and even lied about his age to enlist. You gave more thought and passion for the characters then Meyer did instead of Jacob just being a whiny bitch because the girl he wants doesn’t want him it comes from a place of envy.

[@danielasarmiento3101]

Honestly if Meyer actually thought of things ahead of time instead putting it in for cool, she would've made Jasper a paid soldier ( dont know the the actually term) these people were usaully low class southerners who were paid by by wealthy people in order to replace them in the war , have it by that during the war a wealthy man offered Jasper money to replace in the war and manipulated him by telling Jasper that he can take his place and get paid for it or have the army conscript him and possible leave his family in a worse position if he dies

[@theslimcreeper3779]

How awesome would it have been, when Bella, due to Edward's constant stalking and dickishnis,as well as Jacob's abusive transformations, would have dedicated her life to become a badass monster hunter?

[@tristanhartup4936]

Would've cool

[@thomasraines1396]

That would’ve been pretty awesome

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

Would be a good idea. Far better than this slerk

[@theslimcreeper3779]

I'm really amazed. That's a lot of positive feedback for me on a comment:) Dominic really has a great followership^^

[@MidoriNatsume]

Buffy the Vampire Slayer if it was written by a sexually confused amateur writer.

[@UGNAvalon]

“But! Couldn’t resist being a much, much nicer person because... pretty much everyone is nicer than Edward..” Ok, I’d Definitely read that book! xD

[@kaida0enya0kohana]

My favorite part of these reviews: Dominic playing all of the characters in the quick summaries. I'm dying of laughter. This one was the best so far.

[@DJAvren]

'Backdated douchebaggery' sounds like a great title for an indie EP

[@aidam7822]

I might steal this...........

[@fantasticmadness13]

I have a feeling halfway through the book Rosalie found out about Edwards creepiness / abuse Edward was putting Bella through and beat the crap out of him until he got his shit together.

[@BonaparteBardithion]

That's a scene they really could've used.

[@bubblegum1366]

@USCAN14 I don't think it's so much that she dislikes her for not wanting kids, I think it's more her being frustrating Bella hasn't even thought about whether she wants kids or not yet (which is fair because she's a teenager), but she's making a decision that would permanently effect her ability to do so before sitting down and thinking it through. And not just about children, so many things. Nobody has put a timer on her being turned but Bella, yet she keeps pushing for it to happen as soon as possible for seemingly no reason without stopping to consider the things she may or may not be giving up for it. Maybe he turns her immediately and one day she realizes she DOES want kids, or to travel somewhere tropical, or go to college in California like she wanted from the start, but now she has no choice in the matter because she rushed into a decision without thinking of any of this. And as we learn in Breaking Dawn, she DOES want kids,, and if Edward had caved to her pressure she never would have had one. They all know she has to be turned eventually. The Volturi have said as much. But she isn't dying like every other member of the family was when they were turned. She has plenty of time to really think about what she might like to do before turning and actually do it, bur she refuses to even think about it and solely focuses on being turned.

[@bubblegum1366]

@USCAN14 The window isn't as narrow as she's treating it though. She's already about to be 19 by the end of Breaking Dawn. She would not be significantly different physically between 19 and 24 for example, giving her ample time to get a degree first as Edward himself advised her to do. Emmett is 20 himself and he manages to pass as a teen without issue. Edward has made it repeatedly clear that he is willing to wait for her, whether she wants it or not, as he himself told Jacob that if she ever broke up with him he would respect it and let her go but still stalk her for the rest of her life. Something to keep in mind about Rosalie, and this isn't so much an in universe excuse but it's still something to keep in mind, is that Meyers herself really dislikes her. She, and conversely Edward, treat her as shallow and bitchy despite her actual actions and backstory showing otherwise. We are meant to dislike her, as she is written in a tone to be disliked, but we are never given actual REASONS to dislike her besides that Edward and Bella do. It's a similar situation to Leah. She doesn't actually do anything wrong, but the people who's eyes we're seeing through think she's a bitch and therefore we think so too.

[@noelbernabe8704]

@@bubblegum1366 The thing is the Volturi arguably DID put a timer on her being turned. Caius did warn them NOT to take too long. And Janes visit reinforced that warning. There's valid reason to believe they are in danger if she's not turned sooner than later. Also, from Bellas perspective her life is seemingly put in danger every 3 weeks. Despite the small army of supernatural protectors she's managed to amass, if you're Bella being invulnerable would make life easier. I'm not saying Rose doens't have a very valid point... but so does Bella. But ultimately Rose telling Bella what's best for her is no different than Jacob or Edward telling her whats best for her. It's well meaing, and they all have a valid point... but in the end Bella knew what she wanted.

[@Natalie404.]

I think when it comes to Edwards mental age. Midnight sun does a pretty good job of showing the reader how much Edwards mental growth was stunted. Since twilight is from Bella pov, l feel like Bella's belief that Edward is very perceptive and smart is contagious... When in fact, his critical thinking skills got stunted and cause him to struggle to understand people, and thats even with his ability to read minds. I think one of the funniest things for me, was seeing the family have to sit Edward down at times to explain to him. What he'd already heard and then, even then he sometimes still coulden't piece things together, specially when it comes to Rose. Saying that l don't think l'd recommend midnight sun, unless you're a fan of new moon. Since it's really just Edward being a complete self loathing mess and gives the same feeling of helplessness and frustration.

[@lunaraindrop]

I have two theories on what happened to Jacob's character between New Moon and Eclipse. Option #1 Meyer overcompensated by making Jacob more of an ass to make Edward look better. By New Moon, so many people liked Jacob's steadfast friendship and unconditional loyalty to Edward's misogyny and control issues. Meyer never meant for Bella to end up with Jacob, so she had to make Jacob have more character flaws so readers would actually want Bella to end up with Edward. Option #2 Completely opposite pendulum swing to Option #1. Noticing how Jacob's character was so well received without her actually planning for this, she actually *tries* to make Jacob an equal contender against Edward for Bella's heart. In her doing this, instead of making Jacob a newer, better, romantic lead, she actually turned Bella's best friend into someone that would assault her. :/

[@Birdfreak2010]

I feel like either option is totally viable, but my head cannon is #2, because it explains why Meyer would characterize Edward so horribly too-her idea of romance is actually abusive.

[@TheAmityElf]

Yeah, obviously I don't know her personally, but just from the way Charlie cheers Jake on, I'm inclined to doubt that she perceived the assault as an actual character flaw.

[@carlotta4th]

#2 is scarier if she thinks that's what truly romantic relationships should be like. I'd rather she assassinate a character than have to worry about her irl life.

[@Gyvulys]

" Edward's misogyny"? What? Where? And do you really think, that unconditional loyalty is a good thing in a partner? Maybe you should just get a dog if you want that.

[@TheAmityElf]

@@Gyvulys Edward demonstrates misogyny in his disregard for Bella's free will (some of the time) and especially his treatment of Rosalie. Pretty much everything about how he sees, discusses, and treats Rosalie reeks of misogyny.

[@kemokage]

Meyers' ability to write sexual assault in a realistically distressing way is definitely worth a discussion. I think pretty much all of the female vampires we get a backstory for (outside and inside the books) are victims of sexual assault, the problem lies within her attempts to give them happy endings through their transformations into vampires

[@CT_Phipps]

The whole Rosalie Kill Bill thing actually is a pretty happy ending through monster-dom.

[@kemokage]

Rosalie is the most miserable of all the Cullens though. Seeing a woman viciously murder all the men who sexually assaulted her definitely makes for good storytelling, but it doesn’t really give her a happy ending in the world of Twilight

[@nyxldx]

@@kemokage plus Stephanie hate Rosalie and always makes her to be the "bad guy" for not liking bella, and for wanting her family to be safe

[@rebeccaannetschohl5464]

I’ll admit I’m not American and read these books when I was pretty young, but um...how did I miss Jasper being a confederate soldier? I genuinely don’t remember that and it feels like it should have been a lot more problematic.

[@bert1029]

I’m pretty sure they never directly say the words “confederate”. They just say something like “Jasper was in the army in Texas 150 years ago”. Which means he WAS in the confederate army, but Stephanie Meyer is presumably trying to skirt over that teeny weeny little issue.

[@loganbigmo]

@@bert1029 No, they do say Confederate. Jasper mentions he was a Major in the Confederate Army in both the book and the movie. So you would be incorrect in your assertion.

[@bert1029]

@@loganbigmo Oop. It has been a while since I read the book, so my mistake.

[@loganbigmo]

@@bert1029 No worries!

[@samhainlegge9563]

Because literally no one even reacts to it.

[@jahipalmer8782]

"Kissing your girl. She booped my nose." Best lyrics ever.

[@guicaldo7164]

You know, your first video on Twilight got me thinking... "what is love" (baby don't hurt me don't hurt me no more) could be a fascinating theme. Imagine imprinting as a concept. Jacob has no control over his desperate and unhealthy feelings for Bella, it's in his biology. He acknowledges this, he realizes just how shitty he's being to her, but his urges are powerful to the point that denying them almost causes physical pain. How do you deal with such a situation? Of course the right thing to do is for him to stay away from her, but it could still make for a fascinating character study as well as a deep-dive into the nature of emotions such as love. It could end with Jacob doing the selfless choice of staying away from Bella no matter how much it hurts, meaning he'd spend the rest of his days in utter loneliness. Which is a depressing ending to his story but it's one that makes you think. God there was so much potential in these books... if only they'd used _any_ of it

[@anarchomando7707]

It's weird how you always have the most fascinating Concepts in the roads Unturned

[@shaiibaii157]

I remember as a kid being 100% team Jacob. That was until they ruined him. I threw the book across my room, never finished it. Gave away all my books. I still dont know how twilight ends lol.

[@hammer3885]

Guys I don't think the penguins are the only ones stealing his sanity anymore.

[@kittygrimm7301]

Just a random note, but I'm starting to think Bella's desperate need to become a vampire would have been done so much better if it were out of fear than love. Let me explain. Let's say, instead of her mom re-marrying, she straight up dies and it's a sudden death (say, a car accident) that triggers an overwhelming fear of mortality in Bella. Seeing her once happy and healthy mother suddenly in an open casket reminds her that she, too, will die one day. She doesn't know when or how she will die and she doesn't know what's on the other side and that terrifies her. Cue Edward. Keep him a vampire, but make him more monstrous. In fact, make him *so* monstrous that the average human being would fear him, but not Bella. Make Bella fall in love with Edward not because he is beautiful, but because he is the embodiment of death, something she understands more than the average human being. Make her fall in love with his monstrosity instead of his beauty. Maybe even go as far as have her condoning his abusive behaviour to show just how lonely, frightened, and desperate she is to escape death, but above all things, make her desire to become a vampire out of her fear of dying. There. I fixed Twilight.

[@crazystorm1659]

Kitty Grimm that sounds so moving, actually

[@noelbernabe8704]

That's not really fixing twilight. That's just telling a different sort of messed up story.

[@kikusama]

I agree. Jacob was the only likable character..…then his character was destoryed by bad writing and character change.

[@morganstiefvater2019]

Team Twilight Side Characters Alice, Jasper, Seth, and the Volturi are so much more interesting than the love interests.

[@Tyr666Thor]

and Rosalie, Esme and Carlisle! Emmet isn't really interesting as a character but he is a big sweet doofus.

[@YaMamasAss]

@@Tyr666Thor Emmet could be a really good supporting character with his more simple personality. Characters like that can be really endearing.

[@heatherwhited5735]

@@Tyr666Thor I don't know why I just had the thought that Emmett is the Luther Hargreeves of this family.

[@leelaalila8334]

also Leah, the only female werewolf

[@troytaylor5746]

The volturi yes, the others eh

[@gailcbull]

I haven't read the Twilight books but based on Dom's synopsis, I have no idea how Stephanie Meyer got Eclipse out of Wurthering Heights (a book I have read). Wurthering Heights is about psychopath who takes his vengeance out on 3 generations of a family for denying him the right to marry the woman he loved. The love story between Heathcliff and Catherine is just an inciting incident. It isn't a romance novel. It is a psychological horror/thriller novel.

[@angelamartzen7499]

That's the unfortunate thing that happens when something goes completely over someone's head and they completely misinterpret the intended point of something. Just like how some people think that Romeo and Juliet is a romance... it's a TRAGEDY.

[@prcervi]

@@angelamartzen7499 most librarys now just put romeo and juliet as both, it certainly contains a romance even if that isn't the main plot's genera

[@thewordshifter]

Probably just saw the 1940 movie version and claimed that as having "read" it.

[@billuraral1870]

Meyer is so tone deaf, it's baffling. She actually describles WH as a never-dying romance on Eclipse. She seems to think the book is simply about a love triangle between a rich guy and a dark haired, homelier guy fighting over a girl.

[@gailcbull]

@@billuraral1870 "Tone deaf" sums it really well.

[@kateburt1454]

I always wanted a more in-depth exploration of Jasper and Alice's relationship. Their dynamic is so sweet and very interesting the more you learn about their backstories.

[@artemiswolf4508]

Team Jacob❌ Team Edward ❌ Team spirit that stole Edward’s body ✅

[@thomasraines1396]

It’s sad to think about what happened to him, considering Edward goes back to acting like himself I have to assume the spirit that briefly took over his body was removed somehow.

[@tristanhartup4936]

Consider me Team Nobody, because I think Bella should not be romantically involved with anyone.

[@Lwatchesmovies]

"Look how she massacred my boy"--you are a hero, sir

[@Xehanort10]

Funnily enough I was watching my DVD of the first Godfather yesterday when he uploaded the video.

[@AlixL96]

Meyer says she does very little revision between her first draft and final product, and from the thoughtlessness in her plotlines, I can definitely believe it.

[@Rathdrgnknight]

You're making Twilight far more interesting that it deserves to be with these theories. Please..... ...keep doing it.

[@carlawatches8361]

I like that instead of saying "Meyers promise to write a new series of books from Edward's perspectice", its "Meyers threat" like 2020 just needed something else to keep the exhaust vents of hell going

[@RJaybirdy]

23:20 This soooo true especially with the whole Renesmee aging process, just so she can be with Jacob even sooner. makes me feel sick.

[@Xehanort10]

4:32 I know Victoria stole Bella's clothes to get her scent but the idea of her being all like "I know just how to mess with Bella before I kill her. I'll steal her clothes. Muhahahahahahahahahaha."

[@eamonndeane587]

"CUZ I'M EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!"

[@windhelmguard5295]

yea you found an opportunity to steal her clothes and did not think of maybe: -hiding a venomous animal in her bed -poisoning the food in her house -hiding in her closet and murder her in her sleep -setting explosives -taking moustache-dad hostage -sabotaging her car -steal hair from her pillow to do some racially insensitive voodoo magic

[@thomasraines1396]

In the words of Mermaid Man: “EVILLLLLL!”

[@Xehanort10]

@@thomasraines1396 Reminds me of the animated Justice League show when Lex Luthor and Wally West switched bodies and Flash in Lex's body didn't wash his hands after going to the toilet and when one of the other villains asked him if he was going to he said "No. Cos I'm evil."

[@thomasraines1396]

Xehanort10 yeah I remember that.

[@jennabreland5261]

You should read the Short Second Life of Bree Tanner :) Also, Charlie's laughter was a shock when I read the books, I was genuinely confused. The police chief?? not taking an assault seriously? And I liked Charlie it felt like a personal betrayal. It's nice you called Bella badass

[@canadiankazz]

“Nevermind, they’re all terrible.” Yuuup. We tried to warn you. Also you deserve an Oscar for the melodramatic Edward acting.

[@KikiYushima]

Also just an interesting anecdote.... I was actually starting on a Twilight rewrite following my post-Breaking Dawn conversion to _hardcore anti._ I wanted to fix a lot of the faults in the writing and make things _much_ better than they were...and add a few twists along the way. (I think one was that she was supposed to end up with Alice or Rosalie in the end... I can't remember since this was 10+ years ago at this point.) I wanted to go in more with the supernatural elements too. So I decided to look up Quileute mythology...and decided to stop writing the fic. I put a _HARD_ stop on it _because I didn't want to insult the people or their tribe._ When a fucking _TEENAGER_ (17-18) can realise how shitty it is to write a native people without being respectful, _you know you dun fucked up._

[@veronicabaranowski6976]

You could always write a fictional tribe and change the imprinting part. Make it more respectful while rewriting. It's not like you're following strict canon anyway.

[@Newfiecat]

Dang, your version would've been great. I totally get not wanting to write about a real-life tribe, though, and how it could be a problem. But one of the issues I've always had with the Twilight books is how they do almost nothing with supernatural elements that could've been really fascinating and exciting.

[@strawberrysoulforever8336]

This is why I view the Saga's Quileutes as completely fictional but based on a real tribe of the same name and same reservation area.

[@prcervi]

one solution i'd always considered more simple, just making the werewolf thing entirely unconnected to any of the actual mythology of any tribe(magical affliction is the common option). even if keeping the native tribe part i'd still have put it with unconnected elements(like, okay maybe it's quite common with that group, so is the lactose intolerance gene)(also the studying to high hell to not fuck up the depiction of a person of said group) a lovely thing when it comes to rewrites of popular stories, you get to hold the pruning shears and decide what story branch doesn't look diseased beyond salvage

[@Daughter_ofStars]

I agree on the notion of making up a fictional tribe while still paying respects to its origins. I really want to read your rewrite.

[@wasd_totallyreal_dsaw9865]

Eclipse was my favorite book because, for one, something actually happens, and for 2, the siblings (my favorite part of the books) are more involved. There are some bits that kind of disturb me (but at 14, i didn't know what grooming was, so, it didn't clock in my head), specially the possessiveness and manipulation. Also, poor bree.

[@tovekauppi1616]

Yeah, reading The short second life of Bree Tanner was something. They really weren’t bad people and didn’t deserve do die so unceremoniously and without anyone caring.

[@breezy3392]

Re-reading Eclipse, everytime Edward says he knows whats best for Bella and she doesn't have the best judgment, I was screaming at her to point out that his judgment on what was best led them both to suicide!!!

[@jmann6130]

Are you going to read the Eclipse side story Novella "The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner" probably Myers best work considering it has nothing to do with Love triangles and more to do with the horrors of being a Vampire

[@miyakonoir]

Yes please. That was an interesting short story.

[@rosexknight]

“...I just could not figure out what parts we’re supposed to be the escapist fantasy.” I always thought it was the whole two guys who love you more than anyone fighting over you thing but now...I’m wondering if it was supposed to be imprinting. I mean, someone falling madly in love with you so much so that they devote their life to protecting you, providing for you, caring for you, making you happy, etc. sure sounds good on paper. Too bad Meyer had to make it fucking creepy. Edit: Also, in regards to Seth, he’s named after one of Meyer’s kids. I always thought he was a self-insert for her son.

[@rosexknight]

FantasyDepression OH! I thought Seth was her son. I know she named a few of the characters in Eclipse and Breaking Dawn after family.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

@@FantasyDepression Aw, that's sweet!

[@BarnabusBarbarossa]

The Character Assassination of one Jacob Black by the coward Stephanie Meyer.

[@robertoleary5470]

Nice reference

[@avispetrie3102]

I'll be honest as an og Twilight stan I have anxiously awaited this instalment because I knew you were going to regret that Team Jacob shirt. I'm so sorry that even Twilight has sexual assault

[@TayRayReads]

Reminds myself of how Imprinting is used for Breaking Dawn... Can't wait to see that rant and how the reaction to the end of the love triangle goes...

[@ukonnokia]

Dom's "not that deep bro" moments are canon now and nothing can change my mind.