[Twin Peaks] Who is Judy? | S3 Finale | We're Going to Talk About Judy | The Return Part 17 & 18

Who is Judy in Twin Peaks? One of the biggest questions in the series finally has an answer. We're not going to talk about Judy.
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The Twin Peaks season 3 finale finally answered the question of who Judy is in the story. Judy was first introduced in Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me by Phillip Jeffries and fans have been wondering who she was since then. In Twin Peaks the Return part 17 Gordon Cole explains that Judy is a great negative force, and that Major Briggs and Agent Cooper knew about her.
Judy in Twin Peaks could be described as the Mother of All Evil. In much the same way Bob was described as the evil that men do. Phillip Jeffries tells Evil Coop that he's already met Judy earlier in season 3, but until now we had no idea what that meant.
Twin Peaks fans will be pouring over the season 3 finale for years to come looking for answers to questions the series has left open. As far as Judy is concerned we can point to several examples where we've seen her influence including the glass box in New York, the Experiment in the Trinity nuclear test, and possibly in Sarah Palmer at the end of season 3.
Jeffries said the famous line, "We're not going to talk about Judy," and it wasn't until 25 years later that Gordon who is played by David Lynch himself explained what David Bowie was talking about. Now that we have a better idea who Judy is in Twin Peaks, what do you think it all means? Does it mean the Fireman aka the Giant has been locked in a timeless conflict with Judy? Do you think it means Agent Cooper will never be able to set things right in regards to Laura Palmer?
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[@DD44001]

Judy should never be spoken of and never explained. You don't want to know about Judy. In fact, we're not going to talk about Judy at all.

[@ajellyfish6357]

DD44001 Judy is the explanation but lynch isn't gonna talk bout Judy 😣

[@nikolailic7263]

Judy appears only once, where she came from the glass box and killed young boy and girl. Mother of Bob and all evil.

[@DJRitty]

She destroyed a FINE piece of ass there...damned Judy. What a great ass...I was mesmerized by that ass hahah ;) Damn you Judy!!!

[@BezoRazo]

DJ Ritty So weird for me to think of her in those terms, since she used to be the sweet little girl on _The Nanny_ o_O

[@vavedern8860]

WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE HER OUTTA THIS, YOU UNDERSTAND?

[@MrDilo1874]

"Nervous about meeting J tonight"

[@vaporbabe3779]

oh shit

[@nathanmarineau3993]

Hey.... wait a minuet.

[@doppelganger3992]

Did we ever find out who "J" was?

[@aleksahadzic9302]

@@doppelganger3992 James Hurley I guess

[@poetry7260]

@@aleksahadzic9302 I thought she was talking about James too, but would she be nervous with James?

[@amandasutton3717]

Because the egg of BOB was defeated relatively easily, I think that Laura was created, not to face BOB, but to ultimately face the Mother of Evil. I think the objective of the Blue Rose task force has become fighting the Mother figure, for which they need Laura. Laura is a Lodge entity for good, but was corrupted by BOB in her human form so that she wouldn't be able to challenge Judy. The girl with the flymoth is possibly Sarah Palmer, or just an example of how some of these evil lodge spirits initially inhabited people.

[@gus8426]

I honestly dont get scared or spooked anymore but this show has something that really disturbs me. Its so weird its like you can feel how malevolent the entities are.

[@p99shooter]

Note: The White Horse kiddie-ride in front of Judy's Coffee Shop.. Damn you, Lynch.. haha

[@GaryALucas]

....and the white horse statue on the mantle in Carrie Page's house. :/

[@spod9135]

Good spot!

[@kristoffermoberg101]

Sarah stabbing at Laura's picture and breaking the glass reminded me of how the experiment breaks out of the glass box.

[@Saturnal01]

Very well done. I've also thought a lot about the mating of Judy and Bob. Their child is actually Laura, because both Sarah and Leland were already possessed by Judy and Bob before they even met. So it seems Laura was intended to be their antichrist child, but The Fireman stepped in and gave her some kind of prenatal goodness. Judy somehow knows this, which is why she wants to be with Bob again in season 3 (to create another demon child).

[@ShinySephiroth1]

Just had a thought: Judy could be like Jenova from FF7 - all of the moth-frogs are pieces of her so she can control the bodies they inhabit, all leading to everyone housing a moth-frog to return to Judy in a Reunion

[@Ken2234]

brilliant

[@patrickcoulombe5317]

I also think it's very clear, to me at least, that the experiment is Judy and at some point possessed Sarah. Did you notice how even with a sharp bottle, Judy/Sarah couldn't destroy Laura's photo?

[@5882300rickroll]

She's someone Cooper has met before and the experiment is literally known as "the mother"

[@mattjamieson4957]

The frog moth - could it be that the young girl whose mouth it entered was a young Sarah Palmer? That's one of the things I kept on thinking back to. Though obviously this theory falls apart when you consider it doesn't make sense that Sarah Palmer has always been inhabited by Judy,' otherwise, what was the whole point in BOB trying to inhabit Laura?

[@xandr13]

Nah, wasn't Sarah. Her birth place and time do not match.

[@cantankerousters]

Are you sure about that? The year was 1956 which would be about right for being Laura's Mum - as to where Sarah Palmer was born - that was never revealed in Twin Peaks anyway

[@DJRitty]

I'm pretty sure that what it is. I mean it just makes sense. I'm thinking that when bowie and judy were in seattle that it wasn't 1987 as we all assume. I think that's the mystery if Sarah is judy - wtf were her and bowie up to?

[@autodidacticprofessor869]

The show never made any allusion to suggest the whole thing wasn't a horrible, lucid nightmare. It's rather disturbing that we (myself included) are less disturbed by the supernatural fiction of this dreamscape, than the fact that it could be a fantasy of a badly abused and isolated girl. Bobby said it best: “Everybody knew she was in trouble, but we didn’t do anything...You want to know who killed Laura? You did. We all did.”

[@TheBermudaMan]

The fact that the normally level-headed Cooper became visibly alarmed when Jeffries first dropped Judy's name is a pretty strong indication of the kind of sheer terror her presence summons on- and off-screen.

[@bikibird]

Who is the dreamer? At least for the part happening in the sheriff's office, it must be Dale, because we see his face superimposed over much of the scene. Carrie Page is most likely the missing page of Laura's diary. That one couldn't have been more obvious. Might as well have named her Page Turner.

[@sabreflak2215]

Jennifer Schmidt I still don't believe it's Dale who is the dreamer I think that he has come to the realisation in that scene that they're all players in someone else dream.

[@bikibird]

I'm pretty sure the audience is meant to be the two characters sitting on the couch watching the glass box (aka TV) and then getting their brains devoured.

[@georgesonm1774]

now when you're saying this, I'm thinking that perhaps somehow "the experiment" has to do with the 3rd season of TP

[@darrelmarchick6854]

how about missy page

[@dawngrrrl]

Jennifer Schmidt Good point. I think we are the dreamer and the devoured couple, and I agree with OP re: Carrie Page.

[@SteveCarrDrivesAPrius]

"Albert, I've been keeping something from you for 25 years.."

[@patrickcoulombe5317]

Hey Pete. You should start recapping and reviewing FWWM and season 1 and 2.

[@JorenCull]

I second this!

[@Panyc333]

Patrick Coulombe I'd watch that, fiffffth

[@Kazekoge101]

Also theory videos

[@mikezazworsky]

Hell yeah, let's do it!!!!! Make it happen, Pete!!!

[@gfox9295]

Yes yes yes yes yes. One of my fave things about most of the Twin Peaks podcasts I've been catching up on and listening to live for the past few months is hearing their takes on all of season 1 and 2 before their takes on season 3. Wouldn't mind hearing that in reverse for a change with a Twin Peaks youtuber who's just done s3 (some have done the same thing, s1+s2 in the lead-up to s3).

[@RichardRingo1]

An AMAZING finale! Lynch is a genius! I so want a season four!

[@tlbxqxtlbxqx4565]

And how does the "EAT AT JUDY'S - COFFEE SHOP" sign in Odessa connect with all this? The diner's name is not a coincidence, since the name "Judy" on the sign is what ultimately allows Cooper (or Richard?) to find the woman who looks like Laura.

[@cobieeliseforshaw8162]

Part two: Anyway, Cooper goes back in time to rescue Laura. He succeeds, we see her body vanish from the shore. But Sarah flies into a rage when whatever inside her senses this, and starts stabbing a picture she seemingly can't puncture. This is important as it suggests that the mother/experiment can't kill Laura, hence, perhaps, the need for Bob. Anyway, as an entity tied to the Lodge, and not as impared as Mike, who is missing an arm, she rushes back and grabs Laura from Cooper, and spirits her away. Now, we've repeatedly seen Sarah existing with a house in a time-loop, suggesting physics defying powers. Cooper seems to know where Laura has gone, as he immediately heads for her in episode 18. We start with Cooper and Diane, both who've been trapped in the Red Room and had access to arcane secrets for decades. They don't know if they can trust each other, so there is doubt there. But Cooper wants to rescue Laura, because, as Gordon Cole explained, "two birds with one stone" - save Laura, stop Judy. Because Judy is a mass of negative energy. What do we call negative energy in Twin Peaks? GARMONBOZIA. What if they weren't just collecting it to survive on - what if the well, mentioned by the Woodsmen, is the positive energy, and the gramonbozia these parasites survive on is the negative energy? The water, the White Lodge, is positive, the source of all that is good. The garmonbozia, the Black Lodge, Judy, is the negative. Cooper heads to the pylons. Electric pylons, the shape of the Owl Ring and the symbol and the mother, whose arms bend back. He warns Diane they may be changed by this, but they go anyway. They head in, and we immediately start to see Black Lodge magic and symbolism. Time stops moving the same way, space changes randomly, we see a bunch of Woodsman like Rednecks try to attack Cooper, we see a white horse near a dead body, we hear of the Chalfonts and meet the Tremonds who we know are associated with the Black Lodge from Fire Walk With Me, and Diane sees her Doppleganger again. It is my belief that Cooper and Diane went to find Laura within Judy. That Judy isn't just another spirit, but the actual Black Lodge. The reason why the White Lodge is black and white is because, pre-electricity, people dreamed in black and white. But with the advent of electrical television, they began to dream in colour. What we had seen before, in the original series, was nothing more than an extension of the Red Room. Further to this, consider what Cooper does when Diane leaves: he drives until he sees Judy's diner, and then he enters it to find Laura's address. He literally walks into Judy's. Literally. After doing so figuratively. Also, Cooper, Diane and Laura all seem to have become more negative versions of themselves. Diane, who had stood by Cooper and tried to save him and loved him, abandons him. Cooper becomes passionless and an amalgamation of himself and DoppleCooper, even becoming so focused he stops paying attention to his other duties as an FBI agent, such as the dead body, or them potentially being tailed. Laura has gone from victim to perpetrator, and her love for people and desire to sacrifice herself has become a selfish need to save herself - the exact opposite from episode 17 for all of them. And I think Audrey is there, too, having been corrupted by being trapped in Judy, wanting to go to the Roadhouse because, in this world, it is the one place where the two worlds collide, like the Red Room in the other world. And you can't get out of there until you wake up and realise where you really are. When you realise that you are a dreamer trapped within someone else's dream - Judy's. Because, then, they head to Laura's house. Cooper is confused about the year, and seems to realise something is wrong. Like with Sarah, someone unseen is in Alice Tremond's house, a house with portals in to the Black Lodge in the real Twin Peaks. But then Laura heads back to the car, and here is the thing: I've heard that the translations for Judy mean either "call out", or "scream". Sarah, possessed by the experiment/mother/the jumping man/Judy calls out to Laura. And the scream is clearly Laura Palmer's, both her awakening as she realises the truth, and her plunging into a further nightmare as she realises she is trapped within a corrupted form of her mother, even if, now, she has survived the horrors of her father. Hence why, at the end, we see Laura and Cooper conspiring, earlier, in the Red Room - the two of them have their fates entwined, they need each other to survive this nightmare, and, once again, wake back into the real Twin Peaks.

[@dawngrrrl]

YAY more finale content! This is all so fascinating so I'm happy you're doing more. I'd love to see an in-depth breakdown of Fire Walk With Me after you finish the finale videos. And re: finale videos, how about a Top 10 scenes from S3?

[@martinhockings2326]

The word 'dream' keeps coming back to me after watching this season. It seems to bear down on every scene - things feel familiar but not quite right at the same time - people, places and time itself get jumbled but to the dreamer it feels real. It's a mad mad mad world! Gotta light?

[@JoeInTheBox66]

It's taken me two days to fully form an opinion and theory on the finale and show, in general. I really was frustrated at the end but having formed my opinion, I can say it's rather brilliant and audacious play on Frost and Lynch's part. Long story short, it's goes back to Cole's dream with Monica Bellucci, where she, as an actress plainly asks "We are like the dreamer who dreams, and then lives inside the dream. But who is the dreamer?" Meaning they are the actors living the show, and the dreamers are the audience. She cries at this realization, and Cole turns around and stares right at the camera, "the audience/the dreamer". Twin Peaks as a world, is just a show. For 25 years there have been no dreamers/audience, hence a lot of the chaos present, the unexplained, the hanging plot threads. There are no writers, or adventures for our characters to go through, because it wasn't being created and there was nothing to view. Cooper realizes this, he becomes the writer and the dreamer in episode 17, "I'll see you at curtain call". We see everything unfolding with his face superimposed over the proceedings, because he is writing it. He chooses to go and save Laura from being murdered, and it doing so, undoes the entire reason the show exists. Laura Palmer is no longer murdered, there is no reason for Cooper to go to Twin Peaks. Cooper, now with no purpose, and having "written" Diane back into his life, he chooses with her, to enter another dimension, effectively entering "our world". We know it's "our world" because now there are actual real world locations and products(i.e. Valero gas station). Having cross over, they are no longer Dale and Diane they are now Richard and Linda, because there are no longer existing in a reality where they are fictional. Diane can't take this and leaves and Dale/Richard goes to do the only he knows what to do, protect Laura. Carrie is now the real world stand-in for Laura. This world does not have a Twin Peaks show, as evidenced by the owner of the Palmer residence not knowing who Dale is, nor recognizes the name, Laura Palmer. Btw, the owner of the Palmer house, is the actual real owner of the house. Now, the actual end with Carrie screaming and the flash of light on the house signifies that Bob/evil is still doing what he was created to do, kill Laura Palmer, who is now for all intents and purposes Carrie. Carries screams like Laura did in FWWM when she saw Bob peering over her bed. The Palmer house is still a portal to the Black Lodge.

[@pallaf100]

JoeInTheBox, that is the first thing I've read that makes perfect sense and ties all the loose ends. Congrats.

[@nikolailic7263]

Me, too. It`s true about Palmer house Bob appears there many times and white horse before murders.

[@nikolailic7263]

Ok I understand that it`s all about dreams, Cooper saw Bob and dwarf for the first time in his dreams, Laura first met Cooper in her dream...but what with Teresa Banks death? It is also in a Cooper`s dream or what?

[@JoeInTheBox66]

Nikola Ilic Cooper only goes back far enough to prevent Laura's death. Since the show was the concept from the beginning, in theory if Cooper prevents Laura's death it would stop even Teresa's death as it happened chronologically before Laura's but on the show, it was brought up after Laura's body was found. Since Laura's death is the foundation of the show, the world of Twin Peaks exists because of this event. Take that event out of the equation, it's square one.

[@baronrakon4682]

JoeInTheBox How Chalfont/Tremond fits into this equation,what are they doing here if this is another Coopers reality? They are magicians behind the curtain,Judy is electromagnetism and Palmer house is portal...Through the darkness of future's past the magician longs to see...

[@dragonchr15]

I thought Jefferies said "we are not going to talk about Judy" when he sees coop bevause he knows the future and knows that mr. C is looking for judy and does not k ow that the coop in 1989 is not tje same coop from 2017....

[@gregv2k]

Hey Pete, great analysis of a unique moment in television.

[@R33fth3b33f]

Albert said Gordon went soft in his old age and Gordon says not where it counts and then it shows Tammy being flirtatious

[@Tekkommo]

I subscribed because of Twin Peaks, so keep those videos coming ;)

[@youarethecreator1]

I found something: The wisest of the Egyptian gods was Thoth, also known as Djhuty, Djehuty or Tehuty or Judy

[@jongyon7192p]

Θώθ What's this?

[@garycottier92]

If Ray was an informer and as he said himself about Bad Cooper, "I know who you are", then shouldn't the FBI been aware of two Cooper's from earlier in the season?

[@2011persol]

THNX FOR GREAT EXPLANATIONS PETE PEPPERS

[@Dias4815162342]

Judy is "the explanation" of the world they are living in, it's the truth about it being just a dream. When you find it, you disappear as you realize you don't really exist. It's all a dream made by Laura Palmer, that's why she is the one. At the end, her mother wake her up by shouting her name and as she wake up the dream is over. The answer to Dale asking what date is it, it's February 24, 1989, Laura is in her bed, alive... Nor future, nor past, just the present.

[@danield230]

Dias48...that's a pretty good observation, that if it's all Laura's dream, this world then does disappear the moment she wakes up. A dream inside a dream, inside a dream, inside a dream...

[@shinzomoon]

I had wondered if it was Coopers dream, whilst still being trapped in the black lodge, since his face appears over some scenes in the police station appearing blank like it does in the lodge. You make some good points though. If it is Laura's dream, what would that do for laura's diary? would it be just that those things are happening to her and that's the only reality of laura's story that we know? everything else in twin peaks including the books and all its characters are possibly just dream?

[@battybatshytcrazy4365]

In episode 17 Gordon Cole explained how there was a discovery of an entity, an extreme negative force named Jowday over time has become to be known as Judy. I think that the thing that spewed out Bob is Judy (mother of all evil) and I think the girl who had the frog/cicada go in her mouth was Sarah palmer. I believe the mother of all evil (Judy) grew inside her. Then when the fireman saw this he sent Laura to her, hoping by giving birth to a girl would help Sarah keep her humanity so evil couldn't take over completely. Killing Laura would then help sever that connection. When Cooper went back and saved Laura then you saw glimpses of the town carrying on as normal with Pete going fishing and Josie putting her makeup on then it flashed to Sarah palmer stabbing Laura's picture in a fit of rage (Judy wasn't happy). The fireman said that evil had entered the white lodge (can't remember which Episode. So what if Judy then Sent Laura to another Mother? I think Judy possibly created another reality (the name of the diner Carrie worked at was called Judy's) this way she gets rid of two pains in her but, Laura and Cooper (two birds 1 stone). So Judy can spread her evil without interference from Laura and Cooper, by trapping them in the alternate reality.

[@iamthesun62]

This is a wonderful time and I'm so glad to be here with you all amid your endless theories and explanations! Some of you could be right while others of you could be wrong.....or all of you are correct or none of you are correct! Isn't this a fine thing?Hell, I still want to know how the Fish got in the Percolator! 😁

[@poetry7260]

Or the trout in doc's pyjamas?

[@tonyatmidnight]

How about why some of the citizens of Twin Peaks experienced tremors in their right hands at the end of season 2?

[@natecw4164]

You've already met the source of evil inside you Mr. C. It's the same as the evil inside each of us.

[@matthewhardwick8208]

I wonder if Twin Peaks even exists anymore since Cooper saved Laura. Perhaps she warned Cooper when she whispered to him at the start. I love how David Lynch refuses to give us a definitive answer / ending. It allows us the viewers to make up our own minds about the story. Brilliant story telling and really makes you feel alive in this world he has created for us. Can't wait for The Final Dossier and maybe one more season of Twin Peaks?

[@PetePeppers1]

I never thought there would be another season when this one started out. Like I said in my recap I don't think it was intended as a cliffhanger, but it does leave the door open. Based on what's in the Final Dossier I think we'll have a better idea if they left the door open or not.

[@tuvalsuldenrin3833]

didn't the last episode ruined the whole point of this book?

[@matthewhardwick8208]

Pete Peppers They have a lot of content left to warrant another season in my opinion. BTW I loved the flashback to the beginning of the pilot, that was world class.

[@Corn_Pone_Flicks]

I really loved the fact that he used the previously unexplained scream Laura makes at something in the woods behind James to tie in Cooper's appearance. I wonder if that was just something he exploited because it worked, or if it was something he'd added, like the Jeffries story, that he'd meant to revisit in later stories, as he'd supposedly planned to do multiple Peaks films before FWWM tanked.

[@PetePeppers1]

I would say it ruined it at all. It was being written at the same time as the scripts for the Return. So the book should actually be an extension of what we just watched. The Town of Twin Peaks still exists, Laura Palmer just wasn't killed that night. If you look at the Secret History it isn't focused on Laura it's focused on the strange things that have happened in that area over its history.

[@patrickcoulombe5317]

Also, I wonder if some of the Roadhouse footage/Twin peaks footage was on the plane where Laura didn't exist. I always thought the sheer number of patrons was bizarre. The Bobby scene with the vomiting girl, he looked confused. Cooper said things would be different, and perhaps these are snippets of experiences that show a Twin Peaks sans Laura.

[@billwenham]

Patrick Coulombe She had to exist im the Twin Peaks scenes we saw in season three because we saw the casefiles with her picture, Bobby recognizing her picture, and Hawk mentioning finding pages from her diary.

[@thoso1973]

Yes, Judy has possessed Sarah Palmer and awaits the good Dale to deliver the 1989 version of Laura on her doorstep, Dale thinking that he has saved her from Judy's 'child', Bob, by transporting her home to her mother, in the future where Bob has been defeated. The Fireman and Garland Briggs possibly intervenes and makes sure, that within the alternative reality that Dale travels to for saving Laura, he can never bring her home to the exact Palmer house that resides in the original timeline or reality, where Judy's trap awaits. That's why there are now Tremonds living there when Dale/Richard and Laura/Carrie arrive. It follows that the original timeline is intact, Bob is defeated and Judy will never exact her revenge on Laura. But this realization comes with a terrible cost for Dale Cooper, who is now trapped in an endless loop of changing realities, in which Laura will always face her real alter egos terrible fate and scream in horror.

[@stephaniemc9948]

I like this theory the best.

[@patrickcoulombe5317]

It would be cool to see a breakdown of the content following Diane and Coopers drive through the electric field. As I was re-watching today, Richard Coop awoke and slowly started to lose his bearings and identity. The blinking and twitching of his eyes and face, his clear pointed confusion/second guessing. It's all very surreal.

[@MrVad3r]

thank got this season is over.. i dont have to be disappointed and frustrated every week anymore.

[@JohnSmithAprilMay]

The mythology nerd in me figured it was "Jehuty" which is an aspect of the Egyptian knowledge deity, Thoth.

[@njwalsh11]

Great work! This is my take: With the exception of Laura’s real life experiences in FWWM (which gives the viewer context for understanding her trauma), the entire series is BOTH Laura's and Cooper's dream. In the opening credits, we see the world of Twin Peaks through Laura’s grad photo, which fades in and out of view. As well, at the end of the Finale, we hear the identical "Laura" spoken by Sarah as we hear in S1E1 when Sarah thinks that Laura is just sleeping in. Laura, mortified by her experiences with her sexually abusive father, creates Bob and Judy (constructions of her subconscious) to trick herself into thinking that her own father can’t possibly be responsible; the former representing the evil that men do, and the latter a representation of explaining away his actions. Laura dreams of being saved from the horror by the "perfect" father figure (ie. Cooper) as an antidote to her father. At the mid-way point of the Finale, we discover, upon Cooper waking up, that he too was wrapped up in a dream (his dream within Laura's dream). He awakes to the reality that he is actually Richard -- a combination of Cooper and Mr.C, a man who is not unlike the viewer, trying to figure out all the clues in the name of our lifelong quest to have good (Cooper) win over evil (Mr.C), and how we balance all this with our quest for love. Recording messages on his tape recorder was the way he envisioned Cooper, the ideal good man, to be close to Linda, while he was busy with the FBI. Audrey, Annie, Caroline were all distractions and fantasies because he couldn't actually be with Linda due to his work. Yet he was obsessed with the perfect American family unit; in his dream, he achieves this ideal through his tulpa, the Cooper that Janey-E and Sonny Jim now refer to as Dougie/dad. He was so absorbed in his dream that he could not comprehend his own identity when he awoke (Dear Richard... Richard?). His awakening at this time though functions as a foreshadowing of Laura's own awakening. We find Laura in Odessa because she has travelled there (and into an older person) via the synapses in her own brain, which is indicated by the electrical pole we see outside her home. It is not an accident, therefore, that Richard believes and refers to Carrie as a ‘girl’ and not a ‘woman’ named Laura. As Richard is driving her back to Twin Peaks, Laura is realizing that she is coming towards the end of her dream, and so tries to force herself to continue sleeping as a way to escape her inevitably waking up to reality. When Richard asks, “What year is this?” it forces Laura to think rationally and in the context of time. After Laura screams, she awakes to her mother calling for her. While she may be alive, the problem is she is now fully aware of her situation, and has to somehow overcome her own waking life knowledge of what has happened to her and the panic and dread of its potential continuation.

[@LiFeeIsSMusicC]

I really loved this explanation, but if in the end she awakes, why the last scene of the show where she's whispering to Cooper on red room, and he looks threatened? You think it's just a closure? I think they 're just stuck in a loop of different realities and/or dreams..

[@MegaReza94]

I really like this explanation. It makes it clear that Lynch isn't just minimizing evil and abuse by personifying them but actually has a lot of empathy for Laura and her situation. The final scream is a wake-up call for the viewer, bringing to our attention the abuse that Laura faced (there's a long black screen after she screams), instead of focusing on entities such as Judy/Bob/Mike. The fact we're thrown back into horror at the end instead of cheering at "Judy" being defeated kind of functions like the man behind the restaurant in Mulholland Drive taking us back to Diane's terror and guilt after her dreams as Betty.

[@whosalexanyway9749]

theory/my take on the finale Cooper really did go back in time to save Laura. Laura was brought back to her home in Twin peaks was never killed by bob/Leland. Although she was never killed, her being back at her home just lead to more and more trauma, so I bet she feels like she had to get away from it, so she moves to Texas and becomes Carrie to try and forget about her past life. She gets so caught up with Carrie, she forgets Laura ever existed. So when Cooper takes her back to her home and she hears Sarah palmer yelling Laura, she screams because she remembers her voice and all the trauma she went through there. That world that Laura created in her head in her own dream, which is what mike was explaining. Laura is dreaming for the purpose to forget. Cooper tried to save someone who was already broken and unable to save.

[@jeffha4057]

So why isn't Sarah Palmer there when they go to her home? We've seen her there many times during Season 3.

[@abraxis20]

Different reality and possibly time ('what year is this?')

[@krunk9345]

If Cooper went back in time and saved Laura then none of what we saw in Twin Peaks actually happened, including the bit where Cooper goes back in time to save Laura.

[@danield230]

Alexander R, your logic is similar to that of Lost Highway...so yeah, that's a good possibility of Lynchian logic.

[@danield230]

One thing to keep in mind is that the original mention of "Judy" was probably because Lynch has always been a big Wizard of Oz fan; hence the use of both names "Judy" and "Garland" in his script. I'd guess that originally having Bowie say the name Judy, it had no other conscious meaning to it. I.e., "see you in 25 years." At the time that was written, Lynch had no covert plan to return 25 years later, it just worked out that way. So, to borrow a line from, "The Life of Brian," "Oh, he's just making it up as he goes along!"

[@berliner0]

That gumm you like is gonna come back in style gumm is Judy garlands real last name

[@garycottier92]

When Andy said let's get everybody up from the cells what happened to the guy with all the crap coming out of his mouth? Also, I love the way that Frank just sits at his desk through all that stuff happening in his office.

[@tonyatmidnight]

It makes you wonder if that guy was even there and the only one who could see or hear him was evil Chad. Andy brought everyone in from the jail cell and Mr Bloodyface wasn't among them.

[@jacobreeves3110]

Judy is both a symbol of Closure and the physical manifestion of evil. You see, Twin Peaks is metafiction. It's a show, with some characters that know they're in a show (a dream) and Judy represents the conclusion of that story, thus ending all the lives of the characters. Ita David lynch's way of saying that sometimes what the viewer wants, isn't what they need.

[@danielfisch389]

I try to see the big picture, not the details. As Kyle said in an interview, it's about the battle good vs evil. And that battle is eternal. So in the end, it doesn't matter if Judy or Laura is killed. If Judy is destroyed, the Black Lodge will create another entity to bring pain and sorrow to this world. If Laura is killed, the Fireman has to replace her in any kind of form or person. So another season will not make much sense IMO, as the ending will be pretty much the same: the battle is infinite.

[@robfalgiano]

Daniel Fisch this is a good point. If time is eternal then these opposite forces will always exist and neither can ever claim total victory. They can only achieve temporary advantages. Then it’s up to individuals to try to balance the light and darkness within themselves. Cooper is struggling with this at the very end. It’s also possible that the fireman knows the battle against judy is an eternal war of attrition, never victory, and that’s why it’s more of a job he must fulfill as opposed to a joyful enterprise.

[@Mornporky]

very interesting!

[@darrelmarchick6854]

it was interesting mostly because when Judy was first mentioned by Bowie 25 years ago. I didn't know anyone named Judy. 7 years ago i met a women named Judy ( yes i got involved with this woman) who turned out to be exactly as the Jow Day ( a creature of enormous/extreme negative energy) Cole explained and how Jow Day morphed into Judy, I laughed my ass off.

[@boefinder]

I feel the key here is the information that Laura is the counterpoint to Judy's spill on the Earth. I think from that standpoint, and the new knowledge that Judy is Coop's long term mission, since entering the lodge, equipped with the information about Laura, Coops not been trying to save Laura, but position her to confront the evil, which I suspect is manifesting slowly through Sarah. The timeline fits for Sarah swallowing a piece of MOM spawn, and if you think about it, the only reason Coop would tell Laura in a dream NOT to put on the ring is so she doesn't die, which means BOB might take her, or perhaps, Laura would take BOB given her power potential and thus top MOM before she manifests. The fact Sarah is livid about losing the Laura death events in her timeline really connects to me Sarah as the key here. And if you think about Laura being Sarah's daughter, positioning her in that house, right under Judy's nose, makes some sense, with the Fireman anticipating BOB being lured to the house (be it through power or coincidence) and thus setting up the chain of events that Mike stops... perhaps Mike has investment in the Lodge, and evil, remaining so he can continue exisiting... but I think this is all (now) about Judy vs Laura, and Coop trying position that battle. Great stuff Pete, I've been silently listening for some time.

[@effigyrecords]

Interesting thoughts and I've been enjoying your videos. Got me! I'm in via Patreon. )))

[@patrickn8355]

I always die when David Bowie shows back up in Buenos Aires and that dude goes "*THE SHIT IS A COMING OUT OF MY ASS!*" in shock 😂

[@whenthemorningstarssangtogxrxs]

Judy is a name in Bowie's valentine song about the school shooting yesterday as well

[@ablobeba]

The card that bad cooper shows darya is the message from judy in the envelop

[@ameleri]

I think there are also connections/leftover explanations to the small device that imploded in Buenos Aires - closing a portal?

[@Corn_Pone_Flicks]

This raises the question of whether or not the missing pieces are considers canonical, as it clearly presents Judy as a young woman Jeffries knew. Despite the dearth of Jeffries footage, Lynch opted not to use any of that deleted material in flashbacks, so maybe he totally changed the original idea of Judy and couldn't square it with the dialogue in those missing scenes.

[@StratosIsMe]

Something more to think about. In Season 2 Episode 1 Major Briggs tells Bobby about his vision (distinguished from just a dream) where he describes being on the veranda of a "fantastic palazzo" where there was eminating a bright white light from the "gleaming, radiant marble". He describes it as being his "first return" and that it was a reunion with the deepest wellsprings of his being. Like he was transcending. Could this have something to do with the return that Audrey experiences at the end of season 3 to a pure white place? Maybe it is the same place.

[@Kaninchen9838]

Since Judy was described as a young woman, is it possible that "Jowday" (or however you spell it) took a physical/human form at some point, like how Phillip Michael Gerard was "host" to MIKE?

[@Corn_Pone_Flicks]

It's possible, but only if we assume Lynch considers the deleted FWWM scenes canonical. Judy was originally Josie's sister, but obviously they didn't go that way. Making her the evil force might have been a way of re-purposing an old idea that had never seen resolution. The Jeffries flashbacks only show bits of the movie that he actually included in the final cut, so maybe anything outside of that doesn't really count.

[@PetePeppers1]

Yeah, that was what I was saying. Sarah Palmer isn't literally Judy, but seems to be possessed by her. Just like the young woman Phillip Jeffries knew as Judy before he went off to be a steam kettle.

[@kingdepork]

Yeah it's definitely repurposed. It's not very elegantly done. They like to link to old stuff to show it was the idea all along, but it's a pretty blatant shoehorn job.

[@tylerskiss]

I can't believe Lynch went with the old "my character turned into a steam kettle" cliche again!

[@klondike444]

+Cyril "It's slippery in here."

[@cho-manno1485]

I don't know why people say Sara Palmer is Judy since the show made pretty clear Sara Palmer was possessed by the spirit with a white mask and a long nose.

[@garrettofearth8254]

Thomas Cortado that's the jumping man I don't think that's who's possessing her

[@cho-manno1485]

Garrett Of Earth some guys from reddit took a screenshot of the first time the jumping man appear in The Return, and you clearly see Sara Palmer face superimposed onto the jumping man.

[@vvesuvio9775]

I apologize if I'm repeating an observation but, did anyone else notice the sound that is heard when laura disappears in the woods with Cooper is the same sound the moth frog made?. Sorry for going off topic

[@JackRipper8881]

Did anyone notice the clock in Sheriff Trueman's office click between 2:52 and 2:53 repeatedly?

[@cody8804]

Trying to dissect this show is like trying to dissect your dreams. A lot of it you just aren't going to ever make sense of or understand. All you can do is go along for the ride and experience the feelings it gives you

[@delita101]

My doubt is: why Mr. C asks Jeffries who Judy is, when Gordon tells that Cooper (before dissapear) were aware of what Judy was by Mayor Briggs? Did Mr. C was not able to recall this conversation with Briggs and Gordon? I though he was keeping Cooper's memory.

[@user82938]

People forget a lot of what happened to them in the series, like Gordon forgetting the Jeffries encounter.

[@avantgarden758]

NIce radio voice you have!

[@monkeyshiner335]

Pete, didn't Richard Nixon show Douglas Milford and Jackie Gleason a creature in a glass box resembling The Experiment back in the Secret History? I believe it phased in and out of sight like the Woodsmen.

[@AndyBonesSynthPro]

I think Judy or "Jowday" might be Lara Flynn Boyle. Think about it- Lynch described "an extreme negative entity" which he had discovered 25 years prior to the events of "The Return".

[@kowsky1]

Also she doesn't appear in the Return, so it's a possibility

[@monkeyshiner335]

If the black symbol on the playing card represents Judy I think it's funny that Phillip Jeffries didn't want to talk about Judy and neither did Hawk when he looked at the map.

[@femioyekan8184]

I don't think it represents Judy, because Cooper didn't even know who Judy was when he talked to Jeffries. Yet what was on the card was "what he wanted."

[@Trogdor1984]

I wonder if Judy as Josie's sister back in the day was an early script idea as a red herring if they had actually done season 3 back then? Like they would have introduced this new character called Judy but then that would have just been to mislead the audience when Coop and gang go hunting for Jau-dai? So Philips conversation would have meant "We're not going to talk about Judy" (the experiment) - but later "Judy is positive about this " (information he's received from Josie's sister in the hotel to do with the investigation)

[@wrathofmatt4298]

Been a pleasure on this adventure with you. THEORY What if Laura whispered don't save me by doing so he's caused an alternate time line or reality, and by bringing Carrie Page there he's broken down the boundaries of the two realities, that's why Shelly noticed the people jump in the diner. If we get a movie or season 4 (which I'm hoping for) maybe Lynch won't direct it so the show gets a completely different feel(but he will help so there is familiarity it'll feel off in a way). Also by saving Laura in the past he not called to Twin Peaks, Laura could of ran away after Coop stops her murder in the past. She could of gone through some sort of psychosis and became Carrie. In saving Laura BoB wouldn't of been discovered, so he could of gone after Audrey. So all the stuff we've seen of Audrey could be due to this change(broken boundaries caused by Coop and Carrie) instead of just being in a coma. Charlie could be a disguise and really be BoB (or something like BoB). So when Audrey has that moment in the white room that's her real consciousness not falling for the illusion that BoB has her trapped in her own mind. I still think BoB wants to mate to make a stronger vessel for whatever was inside Sarah(Judy), like my original theory that's what BoB had planned for Laura. When we see BoB kill Laura I've never thought that BoB was demonic laughing I thought it was demonic crying. Now I think he was crying over the killed vessel. I agree with you about Mike and The Arm, they definitely are a pair lol. What if they have cut a secret deal with The Fireman to keep Judy from her plans. She might be the only one that can kill The Fireman and Mike and The Arm are probably the most powerful in the lodge without Judy running around, so they are working with The Fireman only to keep their positions of power. Which also keeps a balance in nature.

[@HoustonSoto]

I believe that girl who had the creature enter into her mouth while she was asleep was Sarah Palmer as a young girl. I think Judy is inside Sarah.

[@1nfiniteSeek3r]

Moments after watching this video, I happened upon a fan video for a song called "the dreamer is still asleep" (Annie & Audrey are too), by Coil which featured clips from Sunset Boulevard, the film struck me as similar to Twin Peaks so I googled it & found out it had a character called Gordon Cole, so I dug a little deeper and found a review titled "What is the significance of the Chimpanzee", (there is a dead Chimpanzee the main female character is deeply attached to) where this was written: "The chimp serves as a symbol of the dead era from which Norma came, where actors were trained to behave in certain exaggerated human-like ways, but couldn't transition beyond that behavior." It shone a little light on a new perspective for me, but one which I've always had a sense of, through Lynch's obvious nostalgia for 1950's-60's culture reflected in numerous scenes, Audrey's mannerisms etc, & my immediate association of Laura with Marilyn Monroe, the show is a statement on factional currents within culture/US history, white vs black lodge, Bob vs Mike, Cooper vs Earle, Laura vs Judy, Renault's (drugs etc) vs FBI/Truman. I've seen further allusions towards the satanic current in culture through the history of the Owl Cave ring, Aleister Crowley & a thelemite rocket scientist who's name escapes me, being former owners & renowned "Black magicians", another opposed current may be embodied in the ideology of Agent Dale Cooper & Albert, which perhaps mirrors that of David Lynch aswell, transcendentalism & meditation being things I've read he's very big on. The sounds & cultural styles of the black & white lodges also suggest some kind of dualistic interplay in their style, presentation etc, not to mention the obvious dichotomy between what they produce in the world. "Back away a little, Michael. Back, back, that path keeps goin' back, it gets darker and darker."

[@Mornporky]

thank u!

[@ChannelRichard]

I think Cooper succeeded while appearing to have failed: When Cooper intervenes in Laura's fate in the woods, he actually rescues her. She vanishes into a new timeline in which she survives to be in bed dreaming, rather than dead. During this time, she dreams the Carrie Page "dimension" in which she casts her hero as Richard, not knowing Cooper's name. (This also explains why Diane is absent, since Laura never met her to include her in her dream.) In this dream, Laura casts herself as Carrie to escape reality, a regular fantasy she writes about in her diary (the missing page). Her inner conflict of longing for both escape and rescue plays out in dreaming up ways to deter Cooper/Richard (not showing up to work that day, the gun fight, the sketchy apartment with the dead guy, maybe even the breakup note) while simultaneously longing for his help (giving him clues to her whereabouts, allowing him to survive in her dream and find her successfully, her quick willingness to go with him despite her usual rejections of rescue, which she alludes to). Ultimately: When Cooper's consciousness enters her dream, and effectively disrupts it, he forces her to confront reality. She, naturally, rejects this up until her mother calls out to her in the end. She then awakens within her dream prior to waking up alive in her bed. The scream signifies the horror that saving her life, itself, isn't the ultimate resolution. She now must return to the reality she sought so hard to escape and confront the evil she was born to destroy.

[@Bean31600]

ChannelRichard wow good synopsis

[@tonyatmidnight]

Very nice, Channel.

[@LiFeeIsSMusicC]

I am just gonna state a pretty simple generalised explanation, that could lead to more detail that I just can't figure out rn cause I have just finished season 3...lol And that is that Simply Judy is The experiment (mother of all evil etc), and is not taking a permanent form, but is a malivolant entity that can take different forms, while Laura Palmer is something like her good spirit-doppelganger. This can be extracted from episode 8 of the Return , where given that Judie is actually the experiment(who as Jeffries has told us, is the symbol with horns , and in the video of her giving birth of all the ash, we can see her having small horns), the Fireman and that other lady, on CONTRADICTION TO HER , brought Laura onto earth... Maybe Laura Palmer is not even the Laura we know... Has no specific body, but her fist body had to die to trigger the searching for the evil.. She represents the good of all People that are good , while Judith (her doppelganger which also has no specific body at all times,except Sarah in one reality, and maybe Jumping Man or who knows who else ) , the evil.. After all, in one episode of the first seasons with Coop and Laura's in red waiting room she says ' Sometimes, my hands bend backwards' , just like the mothers' of all evil did! (I am not very sure about the last one) I know this sounds too generalized, and simplified but I guess it's a starting point before going too far with theories

[@NoisyHill_]

Interesting!

[@8pool449]

Wah! The spelling was Jao Dey on my subtitles- I've been trying to find a reference to this in the language & histories of the Nez Perce & stumbled across a book on African number words via Google. In this book, those words refer to Jao- 86 and Dey- 94 and also something called Euclid's elements. I know Euclid was a major mathematician, but that's the full extent of my knowledge. This is probably another rabbit hole (can't imagine how African number words would fit) but there must be some mathematicians amongst all you clever people- does/ can it mean anything?

[@ninjalokust]

Element 86- Radon Element 94- Plutonium Judy creates Bob after the nuclear bomb test.

[@8pool449]

@@ninjalokust Wow, brilliant stuff!

[@8pool449]

@@ninjalokust Also, just realised- Euclid’s elements- periodic table of the elements- guessing you already sussed that, but wow- can David Lynch really be this clever? It does seem to fit awfully neatly- he definitely had something he wanted to say about the evil of human beings in creating the atom bomb, so just maybe……..

[@ninjalokust]

@@8pool449 I am not sure, nuclear bombs use uranium so its not a perfect fit unless you just take a look from a radioactive in general perspective. I just ran off a hunch and am as surprised as you. Could it be intended? Maybe, Lynch and Frost both are intelligent. Could it be coincidence? Also maybe.

[@8pool449]

@@ninjalokust I was just discussing this with a mathematician friend and he suggested looking for plutonium’s number elsewhere- guess it’s time for my hundredth rewatch and pore through the books. Plus, I found out that it’s a book called elements by Euclid that I think brings all his main theories together. This is just too much fun to leave alone!

[@hvitekristesdod]

If it is Jiao de meaning scream, then it fits with my current theory that Laura actually destroyed her at the end with her scream, as was the plan all along :)

[@jonathanpowell668]

So many great theories below, the truth could be any of them or most probably none. This is why the series ended perfectly. I do though hope Lynch does a final film or series.

[@user82938]

Something I keep thinking about: We are shown that Ed has learned patience. He sees the strange reflection, but chooses to ignore it. When he goes to tell Norma he's free, she brushes him off, and he calmly sits down and meditates. Eventually, she comes over to him and his suffering ends. Dale Cooper is compelled to find explanations, he is restless, and therefore he will continue suffering. I think Lynch is promoting Transcendental Meditation a bit here.

[@user82938]

Likewise, Dale Cooper's doppelganger is also restless and seeking something. He also suffers.

[@user82938]

Dougie "goes with the flow" and he does not suffer. He reaps massive rewards. Coop is being shown that Dougie has the right idea, but instead of taking the lesson from Dougie, he goes back to his old habits.

[@EWUFBIiswatching]

In the mid 2000's, we discovered an evil entity in the hood named "Shawday" she now goes by the name "Shorty"...

[@garycottier92]

Hey Vincent Vega. Thought I'd let you know. James's song is on one of two new Twin peaks soundtracks out on Friday. Thought you'd be pleased. Just you.....

[@EWUFBIiswatching]

Gary Cottier What?? N......NOOOOOO!!!!

[@eyespy3001]

The girl that swallows the hatched insect thing is Sarah Palmer. The insect thing is, itself, a seed that was planted by the Experiment, which later changed Sarah Palmer into the neck-chomping monster we saw later on in the series.

[@daphlavor]

The thing I noticed was that after Cooper woke up at the hotel, things were different [Diane addressed the letter to him as "Richard"] he was driving the Lincoln continental, just like evil coop drove. His disposition was monotone, bordering on psychotic, in that original cooper wouldn't have shot someone in the foot. What I wanted is more reaction from the sheriffs dept characters, only had Jim Belushi's remarks.

[@indexartcenter9671]

I think that the creature in the glass box was the arm's evil doppelganger - It was after him in the black lodge when the floor opened up- cooper fell through and into the box first, then the creature- and it continued after him in the other strange dimensions. Just my opinion...

[@beanfrompa]

Will you be doing videos on the final dossier? Not sure if I want to invest any more time in Twin Peaks if there are no answers to these many hanging plot lines. Sorry I am still feeling salty over that so called the ending.

[@PetePeppers1]

Yes, I'll be doing videos about that for sure.

[@vinceinman9666]

Where can I watch or see the missing pieces? I've only seen season 1, 2, fwwm, and the return.

[@poetry7260]

You tube

[@elongatedmusket7430]

Something to be said for the scenario of a Family being torn apart by the Father's lust for his own daughter. Bob went astray when he took to Laura, also screwing up the coupling of he and Judy. He was wanting to merge ('but she fought him!"). Man there is so much depth here between dimensions. Also note that Coop told Gordon that's a "10" and a lot of peeps believe there is a 10 dimensional timespace etc etc. I need a drink.

[@TheRubberStudiosASMR]

WHO DO YOU THINK THIS IS THERE?

[@aslan4663]

The number eight/ infinity that jeffries showed coop with the black dot cycling through might represent coopers constant struggle within all timelines of almost saving the day by almost saving laura who is humanities good, from the evil judy, which in the case of the final scene has inhabited her mother and had managed to find her yet again. Cooper will never beat the evil of man. Also a friend pointed out to me that it's somewhat futile to try and rationalise the ending to realist standards as the plot had become pretty abstract at this point and the piece felt more like a surrealist Lynch film rather than a conventional TV show, not that peaks was ever that. Therefore it should be looked at more on an emotional scale hence the whole good vs evil thing and humanities endless negative cycle.

[@bikibird]

If 10 is the number of completion, then 8 means 2 is missing? Who was in cell 2 in the jail? I agree the 8 looks like infinity. The black dot is racing in an infinite and ultimately futile loop.

[@pallaf100]

"What year is this ?". The same phrase, spoken twice in the series: by Richard, at the final scene, and by Jeffries, at the FBI office in FWWM, just before being transported back to the hotel in Buenos Aires. Does this mean that Richard had the same fate of Jeffries ?

[@andrewkelly6828]

Teapot Coop!

[@JohnMSawyer]

palaf100: Possibly. Good catch on the two utterances of "What year is this?" Close to the end, Cooper seems to accept MIKE's invitation to "Fire walk with me", meaning MIKE finally gets a new friend/partner to replace BOB (only this time, true to MIKE being reformed, his new friend isn't an evil entity). Cooper then enters The Lodge, and knows how to exit it at will, by flipping his hand as he walks along the red-curtained hallway, causing the curtains to flutter and part at his command, further implying he's become one of (or at least like) The Lodge's spirits who can pass at will between The Lodge and the real world. Hard to say if Cooper winds up in a big teapot though--at least with the ending we saw, he hasn't.

[@JohnMSawyer]

The Iron Lion: I have a similar interpretation of the infinity sign that Jeffries shows to Cooper. The small black dot moving within it could indeed symbolize Cooper, or people in general for that matter, when they get stuck in a loop, where they wind up where they started because the benefits of their efforts didn't last, but they decide to try again, not realizing that this will keep happening ("it is happening again"). (I don't agree with this cynicism on a larger scale, but Frost/Lynch might). Maybe it symbolizes the Buddhist idea of rebirth/repetition, until you grow wise enough to step off the cycle and enter a state of nirvana. In the infinity symbol, when you get to the center, you have to make a choice as to which path to take--there are always three ways you can go forward, but no matter which way you go, you eventually start going through the same places you've already been, and then you're at the center again, facing another decision as to which path to take, but again, even if you choose a different path from your last choice, you still wind up in places you've already been, whether it's along one of the lobes of the symbol or the other, and then you wind up back at the center again, with the choice of paths. Do you do it again, or stay where you are, or get off the path altogether? And how do you do that? And is that the right choice? Though you might fail at your main goals, do you do enough good along the way to make it worthwhile to keep trying, because you might succeed in doing other, lasting good along the way (or at least good that lasts long enough to make it worthwhile, and that doesn't get negated by evil)?

[@kimberleywien4231]

the KEY is, In 1989 Laura and Agent Cooper saw each other in a dream, and the "Cooper" she and Cooper himself saw in the dream was Cooper 25 years older, Laura wrote the dream in the diary before her death, addressing Agent Cooper as "an older man" and there's one page missing from her diary. The younger Cooper addresses his dream with Diane in the recorder, so Diane was his diary. In 2017 season, Diane was hidden and replaced with a tulpa. 25 years later: Episode17: Older Cooper found teen Laura (with the help from Philip Jeffries and MIKE) in Twin Peaks to bring her home and she disappears screaming in thin air and then Cooper suddenly in the waiting room meeting older Laura. Episode18 (Final): Older Cooper found older Laura (Carrie Page) in Texas (with the help from the Fireman) to bring her home and she screams and then everything stops. Laura' s missing page should written : "2 :53 ...Time and time and time again" WE LIVE INSIDE A DREAM -TWIN PEAKS THE RETURN. What Laura whispered to Cooper in 2017 season final was her MISSING PAGE, in where they would eventually meet each other outside the red room/waiting room, in some "alternate worlds". In disbelief Cooper then utters "WE LIVE INSIDE A DREAM". So who is JUDY (the extreme negative force)? Laura IS Judy. LAURA IS THE ONE. This is why 2017 Bad Coop was after her, because BOB who is still with him wanted Laura's body & soul, according to Laura's secret diary. Whoever is after her will vanish. She uses nickname "Ms Judy" after Judy Garland for some reasons. The Fireman (electricity?) was protecting Judy. Did the Fireman turned Laura into Judy? The WHITE HORSE means someone you have in mind the most will become something in a different & more powerful form - "the Gumm (Judy Garland's old name/self) you liked is going to be back, in style." So halellujah come on get happy!

[@SlavomirG]

A question. If Cooper changed the past and Laura wasn't murdered, then he never arrived to Twin Peaks to solve the case, because there was no case, so there was no Cooper in town, so there was no Doppelganger, so there also was no Dougie Jones. However he did send Dougie Jones back to his wife, just to immediately alter the past in which there was no Dougie Jones??

[@SlavomirG]

BTW, I expect this to be just typical Lynch bs that makes zero sense, because Lynch is Lynch.

[@EldritchAugur]

Exactly, I don't think Cooper did save Laura at least not in the traditional sense. It probably created an alternate timeline or dream universe in which Laura is alive but the original universe still has to be intact because they went to the effort to show Cooper's Tulpa showing up at Janey E and Sonny Jim's door. That would not be possible otherwise and I don't think Lynch would overloook something that obvious. That scene is at the beginning of the finale so I believe that was his way of showing that the original canon is still intact in some way.

[@johnrobinson6945]

It's a small thing, but I'd seen a couple people say that they thought the scene with Sara bellowing and smashing/stabbing Laura's picture was her reacting to her trauma of Laura being a runaway or whatever in this seperate reality. My thought is that Judy/Sara probably senses or is aware of a much broader picture of what's going on acrossed a spectrum of fields of time and space and is enraged that good has gotten the upper hand for the moment and is now trying yet another power play.

[@schw0373]

Isn't Judy just one of Richard's many delusions or dreams, ie the entire plot of TP? There was no Cooper, no Laura, no elaborate plot regarding good and evil, it was all just Richard re-imagining his life as someone else. So what difference does it make to know what Judy was supposed to be if she and just about everything else were never real? It's basically the same story as Mulholland Drive or Inland Empire...

[@TheGreatGodPan]

I never even thought about the experiment in relation to Judy actually, and as there isn't really any more information on Judy in the finale I just suddenly thought about Sarah Palmer in hindsight, before the photo-smashing scene. It's worth noting that this scene bears some resemblance to the one of Leland dancing with her photo and smashing it, you could say "it's pretty obvious" that she is Judy, and the idea that she has actually been inhabited by Judy all along as Leland was by Bob is particularly horrifying, and adds a whole new level to the tragic story of Laura's abuse. Lynch does love a red herring though, and I'm wondering if this is another one.

[@akikolehmainen88]

Sigebrand Eisenreich, Sarah Palmer had been consumed by a bug that had crawled out of an egg vomited to the world by The Experiment. Her husband had been possessed by BOB, an entity also vomited to the world by The Experiment. Their marriage hardly was a coincident. But Judy wasn't any part of it.

[@stan39520]

I think David Lynch has something up his sleeve, Maybe the resolution to the unresolved story-lines will be in the blu ray set. See In order to drive up sales there could be an episode that is exclusive to the blu-ray set, The episode resolves all the story-lines.

[@rdkarlov]

I think we can always have two Judys, alright? This is Twin Peaks after all. Charlie, Chuck, Bob, Bobby, Mike...

[@morbidorbits]

The Conjuration of Babalon project undertaken by Jack Parsons whilst also working on the Manhattan Project, is a huge clue to the Mother (of abominations). It is such a massive clue because Mark Frost has included it in The Secret History of Twin Peaks. Whether the FBI, or the history books have renamed it, or not, does not really matter. Episode 8 explains this all so well. The atomic bomb testing, in combination with the Conjuration of Babalon is used to forcibly split reality and exploit it by inviting Babalon to join us. Jack Parsons and his use of Thelema should be referenced in any discussion on the true origins of Judy / Jowday etc.

[@ej0002]

Also, Lynch has a clear reference to Alex Jones (Dr. Amp) who also exposes Parsons. Odd that the Bohemian Grove creeps hang out in the Pacific Northwest woods and wear owl masks.

[@ej0002]

Also - weird sec scene maybe part of the "ritual"

[@stonaraptor8196]

i always wondered why alfred is looking at david bowies back of the head and lower back there in that scene? What was he looking at xD

[@jamesm7666]

twin peaks has a lot of parallels with the shinto story of creation

[@jasondowd8771]

The Moonchild by Aleister Crowley is very much like the Laura story, also mentions of a black lodge.. And ther is the actual mentions of Crowley, Parsons etc and countless esoteric/occult symbols and symbolism and ideas all over

[@medusablues]

Great video. What do you think about the frogmoth girl? I was struck by the same song playing during the Coop and Diane, Richard and Linda sex as when the woodsmen hypnotized the town. I know most of think it is Sarah, but what about Diane, or Linda?

[@clementeen]

I think the question is not "What year is this?" the question is "Who is the dreamer ?" Laura is the dreamer. She created it all, as a way to escape her reality, but finally the dreamer woke up, her mother beckoned her, and her layers of fugue became layers of clarity and horrific reality. The realization that she will awake back into the life she's been wanting to escape from all along. Only perhaps this time, she can defeat the evil, she lives, but perhaps only to die

[@AhmedGhazwan]

You know what's crazy, after some time passed since the finale, part 18 really feels like an actual fever dream!!! Only Lynch can do this to me ...

[@oznolala]

So you think carrie page shot her bf lover? And came up with this dream state to escape, but she cant escape something so evil?

[@sabreflak2215]

Nadine Chamas but you could make theories just as plausible for other characters that they're the dreamer. That is the thing here

[@mreed7947]

Nadine Chamas nah

[@Nicolas-Kage]

Nadine Chamas Interesting!

[@alback]

My intention is not to insult you, but I'm afraid there's a lot overthinking here. Would you say that you just got lynched? I mean, I can't even function at work since the finale, because I'm thinking about it all. At the same time, I admit that lynch lynched me on a level that is just too much for a TV show. And if I think about it, it's actually beautiful. If I never find out any answers, and this is it, I'm happy. Because this is art at it's finest. In my opinion at least. I'm about 90% sure that most of twin peaks is done that way because Lynch felt like it at the moment. Once again, many if not most of us got lynched. ➰

[@TheWolfSaidPoofy]

Wasn't Cooper taking Laura back to her home in the first place in order to defeat Judy though? Judy HAS to be inside Sarah. Sarah showed Darkness beneath her face, just like Laura showed goodness.

[@JackRipper8881]

Hard to say. It's unclear whether Cooper knows what is going on with Sarah. My current thought was he was taking her back home after resetting the timeline by saving her from meeting Jacque and Leo which ended up with her death. That could all change though once I watch the episodes again and read the Last Dossier book. :-)

[@xandr13]

Nah, he just wanted to refresh her memory. But he's too confused at this point.

[@polthauvoye980]

I think, indeed, Judy was inside Sarah. When Mr C. is briefly visiting the White Lodge, we can see that the big screen is locked on the Palmer's house. Meaning the Fireman was watching closely. Something really bad was happening there.

[@rorschach1]

100 percent this.

[@kittyprydekissme]

Cooper told Laura that he was taking her home, but if you watch the scene just before Laura disappears, it looks like they are heading for the White Lodge entrance near Jackrabbit's Palace.

[@maximstarcke4101]

In the alternate universe when "Richard"/"Coop" drives off after reading the letter from Linda, we see a round globe-light mounted on a post centre screen reminiscent of The Arm in elec-tree-city form.

[@MrSnickster]

off subject, but been meaning to ask; Is the MC at the Bang Bang Bar the singer in the black lodge waiting room in Firewalk?

[@krl97a]

No, that singer was in the S2 finale and his name was Jimmy Scott. He passed away a few years ago.