[Twin Peaks] Audrey Horne The Final Dossier | What Happened to Audrey

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Pete Peppers

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6 жыл бұрын

Twin Peaks’ Audrey Horne was a fan favorite in the original run. Her story was confusing in S3 and The Final Dossier gave us some answers.
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Audrey Horne of Twin Peaks was one main character that fans really weren’t sure about where she was at during Season 3. Her situation didn’t seem real and there were many theories that she might still be in a coma from the bank explosion she was in 25 years earlier.
With the release of Twin Peaks The Final Dossier we got some answers as to what happened to Audrey Horne in the 25 years after Twin Peaks season 2 concluded. In the end we aren’t sure what Audrey’s situation in Twin Peaks the Return was exactly, but this video discusses the most likely scenario.
If you’ve read the Final Dossier let us know in the comments what you think happened to Audrey.
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@jennydeaf9O9
@jennydeaf9O9 4 жыл бұрын
The mirror in the white room shot was the single most soul crushing terrible saddest thing I’ve ever seen in my entire lifetime.
@grelm1322
@grelm1322 2 жыл бұрын
Stay off the deepweb then lol
@charliecoward6476
@charliecoward6476 6 ай бұрын
@@grelm1322 lol the deep web is just credit card information and medical records, you are talking about the dark web.
@MDWavemaster
@MDWavemaster 3 жыл бұрын
"He's got emotional problems. Runs in the family." ~ Audrey Horn, S1
@CubbieBlue902
@CubbieBlue902 6 жыл бұрын
I've got nothing on how or why, but I love the theory that Audrey is stuck in the audience's reality. Pretty much the only two pieces of "evidence" that can make that work are that she's looking for "Billy" (Zane?) and that the song she dances to is actually announced as "Audrey's Dance," which is the name of the song in the audience's reality.
@kevinkellyswellies
@kevinkellyswellies 2 жыл бұрын
Woah
@thisisnotachannel
@thisisnotachannel 8 ай бұрын
Dude... I've been saying it since I first heard "Audrey" talk about "Billy". She is stuck in our (the real) world, and she is looking for Billy Zane, because he played the only man (other than Coop) whom she ever actually loved... "John Justice Wheeler". And why else would she have been introduced in the Roadhouse as performing "Audrey's Dance"? Upon repeated viewing, though... I do think she was ripped out of whatever reality she was "in" (our reality) when Dale and Dianne crossed over... and she woke up into the reality where she REALLY resides... an insane asylum, which is where she ended up after suffering such trauma at the hands of Mr. C.
@Unqualifiedmedicalperson
@Unqualifiedmedicalperson 6 жыл бұрын
I was really hoping for Audrey/Cooper reunion scene but oh well.....
@pigeonchin
@pigeonchin 5 жыл бұрын
Not A Doctor that’s what Lynch wanted you to hope for.
@user-ju5hm3ho7b
@user-ju5hm3ho7b 5 жыл бұрын
It was. Audrey / Mr. Cooper = Richard.
@rellman85
@rellman85 3 жыл бұрын
You can't go home again.
@atsporty
@atsporty 3 жыл бұрын
thats because fairy tales are not lynch's style
@stefanmeadows4654
@stefanmeadows4654 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe in season 4....
@rellman85
@rellman85 3 жыл бұрын
It seems like one of the major themes of "The Return" was "you can't go home again."
@ct6852
@ct6852 Жыл бұрын
Kept thinking through a lot of it that Lynch hates his audience. Or audiences in general?
@squamish4244
@squamish4244 3 ай бұрын
You can't - and you can. As Laura did in the final scene. The duality/unity that Lynch uses over and over again in his work.
@WooogaTooga
@WooogaTooga 6 жыл бұрын
The fact that the sheriff's department never sought to contact Audrey about her son's actions tell's me she's probably in an institution somewhere. The Final Dossier pretty much confirms the rumors amongst the townsfolk.
@unprocessed_life
@unprocessed_life 5 жыл бұрын
Or she's infamously an agoraphobic who cannot deal with her evil son or life, as we saw in her first scenes. And people respect that and live their own fucked up lives.I think the very last scene of her is symbolism, showing the result of black lodge effects on her. Electricity, trapped, terrified. AT first I thought that it MIGHT have been simultaneous to Richard dying, and it was her maybe losing those dark effects. I think Lynch does need to do one more installment to show life now. He left off with Cooper, still harbouring dark effects and Carrie in OUR world. It can be assumed Laura flew out of TP time and into Odessa in OUR timeline when he altered time and saved her. I think if anything, seeing Cooper deal with BL effects still and being 25 years older in two different worlds would be interesting.
@nfriedman35
@nfriedman35 6 жыл бұрын
here's what happened: we saw events out of order, so... the dance scene/bar fight/smash cut to white room with mirror occured at the same moment laura was taken from fwwm timeline and all events changed. audrey's reality was reset and she was placed in her new timeline.
@allthingsnerd.4484
@allthingsnerd.4484 6 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I was thinking. The reason for her confusion was that time reset around her instantly and she is, in the new timeline, institutionalized in some way... but she, being connected intimately to the Black Lodge via sex magick (rape by Doppelcoop), is not completely of the "real" world any more so she is not directly affected by the change of the timeline and is aware of it when it happens.
@autodidacticprofessor869
@autodidacticprofessor869 6 жыл бұрын
So, original/unofficial timeline (Laura dying) is where DoppelCoop causes chaos, Twin Peaks folk succumb to the Black Lodge influence and the strange story of Audrey, shows the despair of a world ruled by Judy and Bob, essentially. The now official timeline (Laura going missing, losing her identity as Carrie Page) is supposed to erase that chaos, possibly with inevitable side effects. Lynch makes a point of showing how despaired the town is and how morally corrupted people are in general in the world where DoppelCoop and his crime syndicate runs rampant. Audrey’s little bit in the show, I think, is just another example of the evil that was unleashed when Laura was killed, leaving no living weapon to fight Judy. The fact that Lynch did not resolve these things is great! We can possibly deduce that the new timeline puts Audrey in a better place, being that DoppelCoop never existed and so was the case with Richard. The great thing is that Lynch lets us finish the story.... if we choose.
@davemack1946
@davemack1946 4 жыл бұрын
She's clearly institutionalized, and all of her scenes and conversations with Charlie are fabricated in her mind. The mirror represents reality. In Lost Highway, David Lynch used a camcorder to represent a reality that the main character was trying to avoid, and in Twin Peaks: The Return he's using a mirror. Charlie is likely an amalgam of sorts of psychiatrists and therapists that she's talked to over the years, played out as a hostile husband and wife relationship. There's nothing in their scenes together to indicate the year 2017. Charlie is talking on an analog kettle phone, his desk is full of papers and without a laptop or PC. A lot of people who go into comas don't ever fully recover their mental capacities, and it's typically of mentally disturbed people to perseverate on people and places, such as Billy and the Roadhouse.
@oliverswenson2470
@oliverswenson2470 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to think that David noticed this false glorification to Audrey from some of his watchers. Not to say that she didn't rise to the challenge like she had done in S1 and 2. But an almost surface level glorification that viewers had about here on the way she looked or danced. Then David decided to show the reality of Audrey with the mirror. The trap of viewing the world in a dishonest fantasy rather than an honest reality. Idk my view
@adial0z
@adial0z 3 жыл бұрын
@@oliverswenson2470 that sort of happens with the audience shipping audrey and cooper. Lynch turnes a beautiful romantic love history that we all dreamed of into a nightmare were audrey is actually raped by the evil cooper and gives birth into a equal evil son. He just basically distorts the world of twin peaks as we love into reality. It's not the story of the girl who lives down the lane anymore, it turnes into reality and all we loved becomes pain and suffering. It strikes me when in the first season cooper gets mad at albert because he treats the death of laura as one more crime, nothing more. Twin peaks wasn't numb to death as we are, it was full of life as he says. In the return we see that world again, a world were every character is detached and there´s nothing to glorify anymore.
@ct6852
@ct6852 Жыл бұрын
Don't know if you've seen it...but there's a video on KZbin that purports to explain all this stuff from the beginning in '90 to the end of Returns. Lots of interesting stuff. Twin Peaks Finally Explained (Really)...I think that's what it's called.
@stephaniem9561
@stephaniem9561 6 жыл бұрын
I’m still a little angry with David Lynch about how Audrey’s story played out..
@plasticweapon
@plasticweapon 5 жыл бұрын
she ended up the way somebody like audrey would end up.
@iamnumfive
@iamnumfive 4 жыл бұрын
@@plasticweapon I don't think she would have ended up like that if it was not for the coma she was in and the time she spent in a mental health hospital. That blast in the Bank probably did both brain and psychological damage. Not to mention when she was held hostage at One Eyed Jack's.
@morningowl43
@morningowl43 3 жыл бұрын
@@iamnumfive and not just held hostage but she was forced to take heroin which quite possibly messed up her psychologically even more
@squamish4244
@squamish4244 Ай бұрын
It did seem pretty mean-spirited ad cruel. Like Lynch was really trying to crap on the nostalgia, not just go in a new directon. I mean, she has ZERO connection to anything else in the story, except that she was unconsciously raped by Mr. C...and that's it. And this is actually a _better_ version than what Lynch had originally intended for Audrey until Sherilynn fought him for a less brutal story. In the original, all she does is get the shit beaten out of her by her own son. Like David, wtf?!?
@nightride1985
@nightride1985 6 жыл бұрын
I think Audrey suffered the same fate as Diane - Evil Coop raped her and replaced her with a Tulpa. The Tulpa is the Audrey we saw in The Return, and that last shot of her looking in the mirror is the real Audrey locked away in the Lodge, just as Diane was. Her strange experience of seeing James' fight in the bar (from the past) could be a side effect of her being 'of the Lodge', but it could also have been a precursor to her waking up to her real self. Tulpa Diane had a similar dissociative experience just before she was shot (she said she didn't feel like herself).
@unprocessed_life
@unprocessed_life 6 жыл бұрын
Because there are obviously multi dimensions working, and Lynch has said no one is wrong, what makes sense to ME is the Evil Coop /Richard thing is a nightmarish dream and in reality, Richard is billy Zane's and Audrey's hard life led her to work things out mentally by having such an awful dream. Why else would dreams be such a huge theme? I kind of think Laura skipped town and her dying was dreamlike too. and when a detective returns with her to "her" house, she has a spiritual moment and freaks out.
@jfrsnjhnsn
@jfrsnjhnsn 6 жыл бұрын
Nice! I didn't think of that. The more I think about Audrey being a Tulpa the more I like the idea.
@themerote
@themerote 6 жыл бұрын
I think its possible Audrey could be a tulpa.
@Funktaro5
@Funktaro5 5 жыл бұрын
I think she suffered the same fate as Diane in that he raped her and stuck her in a lodge like space (perhaps the convenient store). The difference is I don't think he made a tulpa of Audrey. The reason Diane had a tulpa is to keep an ear out for more info that she could pass onto him. Audrey never interacted with other characters the way tulpa Diane did. I think it's pretty clear by the ending that was her starting to wake up from whatever dream-like state she was in. None of her scenes happened in the real world.
@diondrefuentes4384
@diondrefuentes4384 5 жыл бұрын
You're exactly right and there's proof in episode 16, when evil Cooper calls Richard Horne his son when he died. So obviously he must've been forcing himself on to Audrey. And we know that when he raped Diane she got replaced with a Tulpa. So there's very blatant clues left by Lynch, I don't know why everyone else seems to have missed it.
@go_gazelle
@go_gazelle 6 жыл бұрын
A couple ideas. One is that Charlie is actually Chuck from the roadhouse who is currently married to Renee. In Audrey's delusional state she is still married to him and creates an image for him to match how she thinks about him. I think she says something similar to "I finally see you for who you really are". Since Chuck has violent tendencies, that could explain why she gets terribly frightened at the end when she witnesses a hostile man entering the roadhouse. It's also possible that Richard was abusive toward her, and that drove her to her delusional state. The second idea is that rather than snapping out of her delusional state, she transitioned to a new timeline when everyone else did. (The original timeline ended when the clock stopped ticking in Sherif Truman's office at the time of completion.) The reason she looks confused and frightened is because like Dale, Diane, Gordon, Laura, and Jeffries, Audrey remembers the original timeline. Jeffries alluded to this idea when he told Dale to say hello to Gordon - "he'll remember the original story". It seems that anyone possessed by or in direct contact with a lodge entity had the unique ability to retain memories from a time line that no longer exists.
@allthingsnerd.4484
@allthingsnerd.4484 6 жыл бұрын
the second idea was my thought exactly.
@thisisnotachannel
@thisisnotachannel 9 ай бұрын
"He'll remember the UNOFFICIAL version." That's the line.
@Senor0Droolcup
@Senor0Droolcup 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Pete. Your channel is becoming "therapy" for me after S3.... good analysis.
@PetePeppers1
@PetePeppers1 6 жыл бұрын
Cool, thanks for the feedback.
@brendanward2991
@brendanward2991 6 жыл бұрын
The one and only prediction I made for The Return was that Richard's father was J J Wheeler. That prediction was last seen floating down the river, wrapped in plastic.
@8pool449
@8pool449 6 жыл бұрын
Ha ha! It's not alone, there's a few of mine just rounding the bend!
@miamimeow
@miamimeow 6 жыл бұрын
lol:)
@honestabe411
@honestabe411 2 ай бұрын
Dynomite!
@ShinySephiroth1
@ShinySephiroth1 6 жыл бұрын
So sad to see how DoppleCoop can so drastically ruin lives. A truly evil character.
@antoniou.1158
@antoniou.1158 6 жыл бұрын
Joe V worst part in the real world there are plenty of those
@jvcdeadmoney
@jvcdeadmoney 6 жыл бұрын
Still my favorite character in the entire series.
@Rh143
@Rh143 6 жыл бұрын
It was our old friend Bob in fact. He just looks like Cooper.
@Cerebraldoom
@Cerebraldoom 5 жыл бұрын
@@Rh143 no, evil coop is just evil. Bob just rode along to get garmanbozia
@Dale_Blackburn
@Dale_Blackburn 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rh143 You missed the whole point of the show. That is almot very child-ish to say... The whole metaphor of Twin Peaks was the duality we have in ourselves. But your literal reddit mind can't even understand a simple metaphor. It was not the bob inside him made those things. It was the Cooper's own evil impulses, his shadow self. It was not ''BOB'' who did those evil things, it was Cooper himself. Bob is just a metaphor and a plot device for the evil we do. Seriously how old are you? You must be 14-15 years old i assume, so sorry if this is too much for you.
@__hjg__2123
@__hjg__2123 6 жыл бұрын
Love Lynch-- but he totally plays favorites.... S3 was all about his favorites: Kyle MacLachlan, Laura Dern, Naomi Watts, Miguel Ferrer, Mädchen Amick, Harry Dean Stanton and Lynch himself.... which is fine, they were all great.... But, Audrey's character was weak and no Annie was tragic.....
@Pun2404
@Pun2404 6 жыл бұрын
HJG HJG not to mention no Donna via either Moira Kelly or Lara Flynn Boyle.
@YOBAMUSTDIE
@YOBAMUSTDIE 5 жыл бұрын
It's better to be no Donna at all than Mora Kelly... she ruined FWWM.
@anastasiabananastasia
@anastasiabananastasia 5 жыл бұрын
Pun2404 he asked her if she wanted to return and she declined I guess that’s what he said
@bonniefrank2225
@bonniefrank2225 5 жыл бұрын
@@YOBAMUSTDIE what does FWMM mean?
@YOBAMUSTDIE
@YOBAMUSTDIE 5 жыл бұрын
@@bonniefrank2225 Fire Walk With Me twin peaks prequel-sequel movie.
@cecelia996
@cecelia996 3 жыл бұрын
I really wish Lara Flynn Boyle didn't push the show away from Audrey and Cooper because she was dating Kyle at the time, Audrey was the one meant to be kidnapped by Windom Earl not Annie so I really wish I could see how that would affect the plots and characters. I've been doing a lot of deep dives since I've been re watching the show and I agree with the theory that Audrey was the girl Cooper should have saved. Laura was dead and was meant to be dead, BOB couldn't get to her and possess her so I the end she was OK and in going back for her Cooper is now maybe stuck in a loop?? It was too late for Laurz but not for Audrey. That was maybe ,y only bummer about this is that I can kinda understand the other characters plots but Audrey's is the one I'm still? About. I think her in the white room is her after the time line is reset. I'm not holding out for a clear or finished story cus it's Lynch but I do wish we got more of her
@johnnyatab
@johnnyatab 6 жыл бұрын
I think it would have made more sense if Audrey had been the one that owned the place in NYC with the box. I don't think she would have ended up institutionalized. She had her head on her shoulders and probably would have been successful like her father. The box could have been a way that she was searching for Agent Cooper who she had a crush on. It would have been great if she had been trying to find him for all those years, but instead she had some scenes that made little to no sense. I think it was a wasted opportunity and a disservice to her character.
@lenfeder8937
@lenfeder8937 2 жыл бұрын
I think the box may have just been comic relief, not relevant to the plot at all. I think the box and the people on the couch having sex during the show just represented us, the viewers, watching tv, and then getting distracted and having sex. And then David Lynch sent the Experiment, Judy, to scratch our faces off, just for a laugh. I think David has a weird sense of humor. I'm not at all sure that my explanation is correct but I suspect it might be. Just David Lynch screwing with us, bringing us into the story and then mauling us to death.
@richardschroeder2264
@richardschroeder2264 26 күн бұрын
Cool video. I believe you are right about Richard being Evil Cooper's son because in the scene when Evil Cooper makes Richard search the coordinates and when he Richard dies from the electricity, Evil Cooper says right after, "Goodbye, my son."
@realbruh6866
@realbruh6866 4 жыл бұрын
Wow🤭😢😟😦😞 Audrey was one of my favorite Characters in Twin Peaks. I always thought she'd travel the world and eventually married Billy Zane's Character. I would like to just remember her as what I stated above. I hate to think she was eventually messed u for life. So sad.
@pjs1975101
@pjs1975101 6 жыл бұрын
The Arm asked Cooper a question at the end.. "Is it the story of the little girl who lived by the lane?... Is it?" Was that a reference to Audrey? (Audrey said that in one of her first appearances in S3) Why'd he ask that?
@theblondjess
@theblondjess 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe the dreamer is Audrey.
@simonliubinas6152
@simonliubinas6152 6 жыл бұрын
The way that both Charlie and the Evolution of The Arm speak of "the little girl who lived down the lane" makes me think that there is a deeper connection between Audrey and the Lodge entities. My theory is that Evil Cooper raped both Audrey and Dianne to summon Judy in a "sex-magick ritual": unlike Leland/BOB, who is irrational, Evil Cooper/BOB is cool and calculating- there is a purpose behind everything. Maybe this tied Audrey to the Lodge world in a deeper way?
@leafbelly
@leafbelly 6 жыл бұрын
I think Frost basically confirmed she was a lodge entity. I don't remember the interview but he was asked about her, and he referenced the "backwards" music just after her scene ended and said something along the lines of lodge entities always speaking backwards.
@blackthornejoshua2929
@blackthornejoshua2929 6 жыл бұрын
It seems likely that cooper altering the history of twin peaks by meeting Laura in the woods the night of her murder and she disappears I believe to be the same time in ep 1 that older Laura in the black lodge just seems ripped out of time the same way with the same sounds. This altering means Laura was deemed missing and never found, Leland eventually kills himself and Sarah goes on to be a lone widow driven hermit. This altering seems to have maybe changed Audrey’s reality. She didn’t seem to wake up in the white room, she was already awake staring into a mirror and then didn’t understand where she was. Like she really was at the roadhouse seconds before. Again the history of Laura changing could have altered that point in time for Audrey in the future right after her dance and the fight breaks out.
@mosesgarner2404
@mosesgarner2404 6 жыл бұрын
After season 3 and now the Final Dossier I think in my opinion after 25 years...Lynch and Frost kinda chose to make Audrey a secondary character. Her main importance after all that time was that she gave birth to Mr.C's demon seed. Her life (like many others in the Final Dossier) turned very sad, was rough and ended up just really sucking. This kinda sucks for fans of Season 1& 2 because she was a very beloved character and had a lot of air time. Now after Season 3 and the Final Dossier it's pretty clear she became a secondary charatcre in the Twin Peaks world which leaves a lot of fans either sad or very angry...but it is what it is. I don't blame Lynch and Frost for this because not every character from Season 1& 2 can have 25 years of good fun times. The book helps make sense of Audrey's plight so I'm glad Frost aded her into the book.
@PetePeppers1
@PetePeppers1 6 жыл бұрын
I think Frost was just trying to show that life happens to everyone. Even our favorites. It's the one thing we can't escape.
@mosesgarner2404
@mosesgarner2404 6 жыл бұрын
I agree. I'm just REALLY thankful as a fant hat Frost put this book out. It gave me a lot of much needed follow up and closure to a lot of very beloved characters where Season 3 skipped right over a lot of those characters. My problem with season 3 (even though I did enjoy it) was not so much that Lynch didn't give us closure but that he didn't give me enough "followup" on what happened to characters from 25 years ago. It's kinda like Lynch doesn't realize that a lot of fans of Twin Peaks really fell in love with all of these characters he created and instead he sort of ignored that aspect and gave us more story and more characters. And again I point out that I liked the new characters and the new story lines. I just don't understand how he thought it would be okay to just skip entire characters from 25 years ago. It's very weird to me. Makes me wonder something to...makes me wonder if he creates a Season 4 if he gives us a story or explanation for say a character like Albert not being around anymore because Miguel Ferrer passed away.
@unprocessed_life
@unprocessed_life 6 жыл бұрын
Lynch has never been kind of women in his works. So Audrey could not have had a positive life path.
@abraham3673
@abraham3673 6 жыл бұрын
Moses Garner you know, even though a lot of characters lives end up pretty... Depressingly after awhile, look back on the character who started it all: Laura. She was always suffering, but she still tried her best to fight back against BOB and stay positive and productive to the community of Twin Peaks. But then it came to a point where she was finally murdered and really set things off. But it's happened before. Teresa Banks from Deer Meadows. All of these seemingly innocent characters are corrupted and tortured by an indescribable force. Something about Laura was extremely important to everything that happened to Twin Peaks, and after she died, everyone and everything we thought we knew was bound to change drastically and negatively. It climaxed at the last episode of the original run, and The Return is basically the aftermath of it all. It's dark and sad, but realizing what it all means, it makes me really appreciate S3 a whole lot more.
@letsrock1729
@letsrock1729 6 жыл бұрын
Totally!
@chrisbrown8963
@chrisbrown8963 4 жыл бұрын
The arm wrestling scene was awesome
@fkorekore265
@fkorekore265 4 жыл бұрын
When DoppleCooper lead Billy to the top of the rock and he gets fried he says " goodbye, MY SON". So ...would be the " Luke, I am your father"
@jeffha4057
@jeffha4057 6 жыл бұрын
Sherilyn Fenn mentioned in an interview that she cried when she read Audrey's original role in Season 3. She refused to do the role and Lynch had to rewrite the script in order to accommodate her. I think that's why what we saw in Season 3 with respects to her is so strange/confusing. We don't know what she was so upset up with respects to Audrey's role in the original script. However, I do wonder if in the original script Richard was supposed to attack Audrey instead of his grandmother.
@cfryant
@cfryant 6 жыл бұрын
Sounds reasonable.
@marabou22
@marabou22 6 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing that she was upset that she didn't get more onscreen time. She said something about it on twitter. i got the impression there was stuff that was filmed but not included.
@unprocessed_life
@unprocessed_life 6 жыл бұрын
Fenn isn't vain. She doesn't want Twin Peaks fans to be disappointed and he may have excluded her as he excluded several actual MAIN characters. AND he could've had Richard attack her initially. But she isn't entitled. If he didn't plan on including Audrey at all, fans would be HURT. Notice how much anger many expressed that it took a dozen episodes to get to Audrey's first scene. Fenn honors show fans FIRST. She's . in no way vain.
@mercurydude
@mercurydude 6 жыл бұрын
@JUJU Agreed, there are some videos she's done of recent Twin Peaks panels at conventions and she's very down to earth. She's also been doing them for years and loves to meet with the fans, not snobby and entitled at all. However she is very honest about her feelings and I could see her being upset with the Richard scene if that was originally her character. If that were Audrey's only scene, it would just be one of seeing the character getting abused by her own son and him threatening to rape her disabled brother right in front of her. I could see her getting upset with that on a personal level and also on behalf of the fans.
@unprocessed_life
@unprocessed_life 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if originally Richard was supposed to kill Audrey or did kill her previous to season 3 airing??? He speaks her name at the end like she's part of his past. who knows but we do know there's nothing Lynch wouldn't do, that slick slick crazy man ;)
@LarsyD
@LarsyD 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, Pete! I tend to agree, the simplest explanation is usually best. I wonder if David Lynch would have more to add to Audrey's story if a season 4 ever materializes. I remember hearing somewhere that Lynch said The Final Dossier was Frost's take on events, implying his take might be a little different (which is both interesting and slightly maddening lol).
@Corn_Pone_Flicks
@Corn_Pone_Flicks 6 жыл бұрын
I noted last time I watched it that the song that Eddie Vedder sings as she's entering the Roadhouse really seems to be all about her, and how her life has turned out. I would say that hers seems to be a completely isolated story that doesn't bear on the rest of season 3, except that she and The Arm both make the same reference to "the little girl who lived down the lane," implying there's some connection after all. Incidentally, The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane is the name of a late-'70s Jodie Foster film about a young girl living in isolation and trying to keep it a secret from her community. I'm not sure what exactly the reference is supposed to mean, though.
@tylerw5356
@tylerw5356 6 жыл бұрын
One thing I just have a hunch about, myself, is that David Lynch does not consider Audrey an important character. I don't think he has much interest in her, or her storyline. Although she is personally my favorite character, he is kind of right about that. She's really not all that significant to the overall world of Twin Peaks, with the exception of giving birth to Richard, who has horrible effect on others. After all, Laura is "the one" and Audrey had no real relationship with her. He has his favorite characters and actors, too...so...that kinda has to be considered. Shelly isn't really a "fan favorite" but she gets at least twice the screen time as Audrey, and I believe it is for no reason other than Lynch likes her more as a character (and the actress herself). I think the significance of Audrey's Dance shouldn't be overlooked, however. It was never just a dance. I never got that impression, ever. Am I alone in that? It clearly seems like it has some sort of influence over her. She does not look happy when the band announces "Audrey's Dance" (which can't possibly be the name of the song). The dance is really the strangest thing about her character throughout the series. It has never made sense. It's like a signal from somewhere (like a lodge) that puts her into a trance. When she is interrupted by the fight, she panics and runs to Charlie telling him to get her out of there, as if she knows something is happening or about to happen. Then it does. Immediately. It's not like she's "waking up" standing in front of a mirror, like she woke up from the dance, it is like she's moved. Transported. Somewhere. the electric buzz has to be significant somehow. She had a horrible life in the timeline where Laura Palmer is killed. Aside from Laura, she is by far the most unlucky and abused character in the series. So, it makes sense that she was in a psych facility and had a psychiatrist, but to me, this seems very "real world". After all she has been through, it seems like this is EXACTLY how Audrey would end up.... mean, unhinged, an alcoholic, and violent. But, my own personal belief is that she begins to lose her own storyline right after she is introduced. She starts to forget who she is, who everyone else is, and then ultimately becomes an entirely different person, or at least a different version of Audrey Horne. One other sort of "Read between the lines" clue that I took away was an interview with Ms Fenn where she describes her as "sad" and "troubled but strong" or something along those lines. Yes, she has mental health problems, but she IS living in the "real world" , be that as an agoraphobic alcoholic or whatever. She might be the one character whose life significantly improves from a timeline change (or...whatever) where Laura Palmer never died. One last thing, I could be wrong, but Audrey does not appear in the series until after Agent Cooper takes notice of the woman wearing the red pumps, right? They seem to spark a memory in him, and they are exactly like the red heels that Audrey used to wear. I just thought that was interesting.
@lenfeder8937
@lenfeder8937 2 жыл бұрын
I read somewhere that David Lynch and Sherilyn Fenn were in a dispute about her character and its inclusion in season 3. I think it's possible that the small guy who represented her husband was David Lynch arguing with her. I think it was David Lynch, director, having up and back arguments with an actress who was arguing with him.
@amazingabby25
@amazingabby25 Жыл бұрын
Interesting, agree with a lot of these thoughts
@squamish4244
@squamish4244 Ай бұрын
@@lenfeder8937 Yeah, because the original story he had written for her was way more degrading. She's there to get her ass kicked and that's it. She was right to push back.
@jonhon
@jonhon 3 жыл бұрын
There's a rumor that her S3 part was rewritten. Richard and Aubrey were supposed to have a Mother/Son relationship, but Sherilynn Finn didn't like the part. So I think she is in a void of unwritten script, completely separate from anything else going on except that her son is Richard.
@8pool449
@8pool449 6 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with your take on this one, it's definitely the most plausible explanation. I do wonder what was in the letters between Audrey & Donna though. I'd like to think there's still a bit of mystery around her story, otherwise it's too damn depressing!
@tylerw5356
@tylerw5356 6 жыл бұрын
Likely Donna telling Audrey that they were half sisters. They had been trying to figure out what the connection was between Audrey's father and Donna's mother. Probably another reason Audrey stopped speaking to her father.
@kimmolaine8069
@kimmolaine8069 6 жыл бұрын
Richard Horne was born out of Bob, and not so much out of Dale Cooper. The Horne family had their own things to deal with.
@tiffanyclark-grove1989
@tiffanyclark-grove1989 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thank you
@domfrommelb27
@domfrommelb27 6 жыл бұрын
Didn't evil cooper say goodbye my son when he shot Richard horn
@olivia7sam
@olivia7sam 5 жыл бұрын
domfrommelb27 Yes he did.
@iamnumfive
@iamnumfive 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I forgot that, but I still think it might be John Wheeler's baby.
@atsporty
@atsporty 3 жыл бұрын
@@iamnumfive you can say john wheeler went with his john ...all wheels in
@atsporty
@atsporty 3 жыл бұрын
10-4
@iamnumfive
@iamnumfive 3 жыл бұрын
​@@atsporty Oh long johnson.
@princexray
@princexray Жыл бұрын
When the kid blew up on the boulder bad copper said "goodbye son"
@douglasdobson8110
@douglasdobson8110 6 жыл бұрын
while watching the video it occurred to me maybe Richard beat her and put her in the hospital, the trauma of the experience wigged her out and she was transferred to a psychiatric center where the broken pieces of Audrey's spirit all finally come together at the point we see her "wake up" looking in the mirror in the psychiatric hospital. I suspect they set Audrey up for more of a role in season 4. They had Coop and Audrey wake up at approximately the same time and I think there's some connection there they intend to elaborate on. To me there was a clear message at the end of season 3 that there was more coming. Lynch and Frost tied up a lot of things but left a lot of others wide open, the very ending scene (I think) is David Lynch and Mark Frost telling us there's more to come, like they're just hitting their stride. I believe they're working on it, if they are, then we shouldn't hear much from Kyle McLaughlin as far as other work until season 4 is finished shooting and maybe even beyond that. If Kyle gets into another movie or TV project it's likely Twin Peaks is done, but I haven't heard anything about Kyle doing anything else yet. . . .
@SciakkaPRODUCTION
@SciakkaPRODUCTION 6 жыл бұрын
I like to think the same... Lynch is not a young boy anymore, I hope he'll be able to finish season 4.
@rini6
@rini6 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Audrey’s role in The Return seems sad in comparison to her previous role. But I think she’s likely in a institution. Can we be certain? No. But I don’t think anything else makes sense
@kamalmanzukie
@kamalmanzukie 6 жыл бұрын
i took it as she woke up from the matrix. in the real world we are all in tiny white rooms in white jumpsuits, and we are all asleep
@lizj729
@lizj729 6 жыл бұрын
Pete, what about the sounds of electricity in the scene with her looking into the mirror?
@jcg2922
@jcg2922 5 жыл бұрын
That had me thinking she was in some alternate time and space.
@hellyan35867
@hellyan35867 Жыл бұрын
Doesn’t It have something to do with Judy?
@adorno_gang37
@adorno_gang37 3 жыл бұрын
maybe John Justice Wheeler is Richard's father and everytime she wanted to go look for "Billy", she actually meant Billy Zane
@SimonDelgadoSimusik
@SimonDelgadoSimusik 5 жыл бұрын
I may be asking an idiot question but, who is Billy? The one Audrey is looking for?
@Sor9ry426
@Sor9ry426 6 жыл бұрын
They pulled a lota genre mashups this season We got "Rain Man" for Cooper "Tarantino" for Hutch and Chantal “who's afraid of Virginia wolf” for Audrey Would've liked better payoff for such great setups though
@johnmonty7077
@johnmonty7077 6 жыл бұрын
imo cooper spent a few episodes too long doing the whole lobotomy schtick...it got a little old after a while
@TwistVisuals
@TwistVisuals Жыл бұрын
It was funny to see the Tarantino parody (with the actors from Hateful Eight) considering Tarantino hated Fire Walk With Me.
@paulberry2884
@paulberry2884 3 жыл бұрын
RIP Clark Middleton.
@michaelcornett444
@michaelcornett444 3 жыл бұрын
I did see something that talked about symbolism in the story...TP is essentially a tragedy, and while Laura's tragedy was that she died young, Audrey's tragedy was that she grew old and went astray from her early hopes and dreams. I'm not sure if she's a Tulpa, or has been influenced by the Lodge, or if this is all in her head...there's a hint that Season 3 is all in Audrey's mind. And I wonder about the significance of her saying "Get me out of here!" and then suddenly waking up in a hospital. Part of me likes to think that the hospital scene at the end is her coming back to herself and maybe starting to take back her life a little.
@AFSecret
@AFSecret 11 ай бұрын
I think like Diane, Audrey was R-ed and trapped in the lodge- what kind of mental institution puts you in an all white room with a single cosmetic mirror? But that's what's great about Lynch, he likes to leave things up to the audience to figure out!
@harshlight7
@harshlight7 6 жыл бұрын
Ten bucks says evil Coop strolled into her hospital room, lifted up the covers and yelled "HeellllOOOOhoohoooohhh!"
@canyoucrow1
@canyoucrow1 6 жыл бұрын
harshlight7 comment of the year so far
@sounakbanik3087
@sounakbanik3087 6 жыл бұрын
Even tho the whole rape thing is f***ed up, this made me lol
@gustavmarkovic31
@gustavmarkovic31 6 жыл бұрын
SO FUNNY SO DARK SO THANK YOU
@iamnumfive
@iamnumfive 4 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHA!!! Omg, I got tears running down my face. :'D))))
@atsporty
@atsporty 3 жыл бұрын
Dougie Jones copied that at the Silver mustang casino :)
@cobieeliseforshaw8162
@cobieeliseforshaw8162 6 жыл бұрын
I still think Audrey, an entire well of problems, was snatched up by Judy, and is in the world where Coop and Laura are trapped at the end of season 3. I mean, Cooper wants to save Laura, who he has a connection with via the murder case, but throwing Audrey in actually makes it work that much more, and things in the Bang Bang Bat don't always match up with the reality.
@Nero_Jero
@Nero_Jero Жыл бұрын
This probably has no greater meaning but I thought it kind of looked like Audrey was undergoing hypno-therapy.
@davetinoco
@davetinoco 2 жыл бұрын
I always think back to Audrey’s response to roll call in the Pilot...Audrey Horne? (Making quotes with her fingers) “here!”
@eleni1968
@eleni1968 5 жыл бұрын
Having re-watched TWIN PEAKS, S2& S3; I think Mark Frost & David Lynch really didn't know where to go with Audrey Horne. Yes its possible that "evil Cooper" could have fathered Richard, but so could have her father. In "One-Eyed Jack's" she embeds herself to find out who the owners are and while she's there she manages to find herself as a prostitute, her father was a regular client. And although she is rescued by Cooper and Hawk, the plan nearly failed and Audrey is nearly discovered by her own father, her potential client. In "Fire Walk With Me" Leland discovers that he was nearly a new client to his own daughter. But when he makes the discovery, he narrowly escapes without Laura's knowledge. I think the reason Leland kills Theresa was because of the incest taboo. She ignorantly tried to pimp him to his own daughter and in his rage at himself for desiring his daughter as he did & at Theresa he murders Theresa, who was also wearing the ring at the time of her murder. Just as Laura wore the ring at her own murder. Getting back to Audrey, she is almost in an identical situation the difference being she has a child, unlike Laura. The picture of Cooper could be a wish-fulfillment fantasy on her part only because from TP/S1-2 we know what Audrey felt for Cooper. But when Audrey meets this other guy whose friends with her father [played by Bily Zane], because Cooper fell hard for Annie Blackburn, Audrey could have easily conceived with this guy as well. I say read the Final Dossier. It really answers some Qs but opens up more Qs.
@demetria64
@demetria64 6 жыл бұрын
I know this is based on the final Dossier, Still it's hard to get passed the sound of Electricity when she appears confused in a white gown in front of the mirror, and then the backwards performance of Audrey' dance by the band following that.
@abraxis20
@abraxis20 6 жыл бұрын
Wonder what happened with the Billy Zane character from season 2?
@apexlvl7780
@apexlvl7780 6 жыл бұрын
Her story kinda reminds me of betty page goodlooking sucsesfull and then just disapeard and whent insane
@curiositypiqued6573
@curiositypiqued6573 4 жыл бұрын
Will there ever be a s4??? Or even another film??
@PapaRikkiBalls
@PapaRikkiBalls 3 жыл бұрын
Richard was created to create more garmonbozia
@lovelyrabbyt666
@lovelyrabbyt666 5 жыл бұрын
Isn't it weird though that the actor for JJ Wheeler is named Billy? Just weird, probably purely coincidental. But funny.
@JGAbstract
@JGAbstract 3 жыл бұрын
Audrey "storyline" in s3 was so weird. It was pointless, they should have explained more where she was.
@dontfeedmethatbullshit.447
@dontfeedmethatbullshit.447 5 жыл бұрын
I thought Billy Zanes character would be the dad.
@Talalay99
@Talalay99 6 жыл бұрын
Seems to me like a lot of things about Season 3 were nothing to do with David Lynch being a genius but David Lynch getting spiteful with certain cast members.
@Comedy-xo1xp
@Comedy-xo1xp 5 жыл бұрын
I could totally see that in him.
@ourevilone
@ourevilone 3 жыл бұрын
Audrey is probably replaying her sons murder and death in the mental institution. but i dont get why lynch would put this story in if it didnt have any significance to the greater story.
@mullcrumthesage6303
@mullcrumthesage6303 6 жыл бұрын
Lynch was not given enough time and money to shoot all the stuff he wanted. The company screwed his complete vision, so we got the abbreviated version. Thanks for sharing your art Mr. Lynch, you are appreciated 💀👻👽
@13Yeared
@13Yeared 6 жыл бұрын
There's another really good theory out there that says it was her "waking up" from the dream. Monica Belucci told Gordon Cole that they are like the dreamer who dreams and lives inside that dream. Potentially that means one or more people are involved with making and living in said dream, namely Audrey. It makes some sense as Audrey in S3 is heavily associated with the Lodge; she said that her situation felt like Ghostwood, an entrance to the Lodge, and the Arm repeated her phrase about the little girl down the lane, and right before her jump cut from the Roadhouse to the white room you could hear the electricity associated with many of the portals associated with the Lodge.
@blackmirror5559
@blackmirror5559 3 жыл бұрын
I know an Audrey in real life; a Lola character, a narcissist, no longer able to attract attention, no insight, no depth. Audrey's seems a fairly inevitable story.
@johnnio99
@johnnio99 5 жыл бұрын
Veering off-topic a little, I've been re-reading the Final Dossier and I've started to wonder why Frost and Lynch didn't decide to do a series JUST of Twin Peaks - a straight story (excuse the Lynchian pun) about what happened to the residents of Twin Peaks, similar to the Dossier. I think it would be a brilliant idea, keep it seperate from the Return story, with maybe dropping in and out of the reurn, teasing the viewer from time to time. Since Frost seems to be the main author of the day-to-day stories about life in Twin Peaks, Shelley, Audrey, Bobby, Ben, Jerry etc, he would be the ideal writer for it, it would keep most of us happy and would appease those who didn't really like or appreciate the return and yearn for the seasons 1 and 2. With the Dossier they have the basic storyline, so a kind of Spin off would be eminently do-able. You would most likely have to leave out Cooper, which would disappoint some, but I really think it would work!
@unprocessed_life
@unprocessed_life 5 жыл бұрын
Well you wouldn't have to leave Cooper out, just include scenes that give more concrete story for some of the more mysterious characters. That said, That isn't David Lynch. The show is his work with Frost's help. The book is clearly Frost's and some are grateful for it. I've heard several of the castmembers say they dont want to read the books Frost writes because Lynch means for things to be left pretty open to interpretation. And as a result, SO MUCH can be taken from it. Lynch is a TRUE ARTIST. He isn't a typical tv producer. ART should stand the test of time and make viewers think, even at random times. Some don't like this and that is ok. There is plenty of other television out there to devour.
@thomasvleminckx
@thomasvleminckx 4 ай бұрын
I really hate how this "Final Dossier" eliminates a whole bunch of juicy speculation with conclusive answers. That's not how this is supposed to work. I prefer to imagine someone fantastical is behind it, but not know what exactly.
@nicolasdubus669
@nicolasdubus669 Жыл бұрын
Did you notice that Cooper becomes Richard in the last episode ? If the theory about the change of the events since Laura was saved, Richard will not be killed by his father. Maybe Cooper became his son in another reality and maybe Audrey was transported in the same reality by dancing like she did 25 years ago. We don't know when the scene in the white room is happening after all
@LfunkeyA
@LfunkeyA 6 жыл бұрын
it's beyond obvious why audrey is in season 3 (to demonstrate how mr. c ruins lives and how darkness has corrupted the town/world), and the end of episode 16 explains everything (yes, she was dreaming, yes she was somewhere else, scared and hopeless). you don't need more information, this is a lynch film/series, not csi.
@merger1987
@merger1987 6 жыл бұрын
Why do you say in-erested? I'm not a native English speaker, so I am wondering. I was taught to pronounce the T in there. Is it a dialect? Thanks
@JC-yy8iv
@JC-yy8iv 5 жыл бұрын
Americans don't generally pronounce T's in the middle of a word. Depending on the word, they either come out as a D, a glottal stop, or nothing at all.
@cristoffL
@cristoffL 5 жыл бұрын
Isn’t been calling him Doppelcooper. To distinguish between other doppelgängers. Just hadn’t heard anyone else say that. Cool.
@TheMayito1000
@TheMayito1000 6 жыл бұрын
It's clear what Audrey's story is about, people make the mistake of compartmentalising each story when in reality is an almost mythical all-encompassing tale. Simply put, Audrey died in the explosion, just re-watch that scene, there's no way anyone survives an explosion like that and she was practically next to the point of origin. Hasn't it been made clear in the 3 seasons and Fire Walk With Me? We live in a dream. Pay attention to Monica Belluci: "We are like the dreamer, who dreams and then lives inside the dream, but who is the dreamer"? For all intents and purposes Audrey Horne is dead and her consciousness created a whole reality a la Jacob's Ladder. "I feel like I'm someone else, have you ever had that feeling, Charlie? Like I'm somebody else, like I'm somewhere else". Seriously, the whole story of Audrey Horne in the Return is so out of context that is should be a hint. Electricity is an almost omni-present theme in Lynch's story, the Electric Universe, a Hologram, a Dream. Audrey Horne then asks to be pulled out and she's indeed pulled out from her dream which is the cause of a big shock, hence her looking at the mirror, a projection of her consciousness. The fact this escapes most Lynch's/Twin Peaks fans is way more surreal than Lynch's show... the man is using a fictional medium and art to depict something very real.
@anastasiabananastasia
@anastasiabananastasia 5 жыл бұрын
There was a book? I’m so confused
@unprocessed_life
@unprocessed_life 5 жыл бұрын
Frost put out a book after season 2 and the return. There are two books that tell more about what Lynch abstractly put together, likely to appease people who NEED answers hahaha
@Botrytis18
@Botrytis18 4 жыл бұрын
Lynch is really anti-nostalgic when it's about Twin Peaks. Season 3 is no way something that dwells on the past, to pay homage as somekind of a loveletter to the 90's series for the whole season at all, and that's just so progressive, and I like that. Audrey's plot is indeed dark, and nightmarish, just like the whole series. That being said the last two episodes of Return are just powerfull mixture with the classic and new Twin Peaks, playing with those old scenes and fill in new ones into them is just mindblowingly good.
@mukesh.dhimar
@mukesh.dhimar 3 жыл бұрын
Right, I haven't seen, Fire, Walk With Me. And have only just finished Twin Peaks and watched the last episode of the return a couple of days ago. I have some questions/pointers. Why are so many people saying that Audrey is institutionalised. What kind of institution would have a mirror where she could view herself/break the glass, do anything with the glass? Everyone is assuming that Bad Cooper raped Audrey because Richard is her son and because Bad Cooper says "Goodbye son". But it still doesn't necessarily mean that he has raped Audrey. Unless I'm missing something massive. Bad Cooper could just have said it sarcastically because it's not his son but maybe Good Cooper's son or yet even another Cooper's son. WHY WOULD BAD COOPER HAVE A SON ONLY TO KILL HIM? Why did he kill him? What's the reason? In the way he did with the lightening. A sacrifice to Judy but why?
@TwistVisuals
@TwistVisuals Жыл бұрын
Maybe Bad Coop didn't know he had a son. Or it could have been an estranged son from one of her lovers from the past.
@berliner0
@berliner0 Жыл бұрын
Dopple coop was Bob right ?
@DaRealDJ
@DaRealDJ 6 жыл бұрын
Wait... So what was the deal with Billy?
@jfrsnjhnsn
@jfrsnjhnsn 6 жыл бұрын
We will probably never know. We can imagine our own answers, though. Based on the Final Dossier, we are a lot better off doing that than we would be if Frost tried to explain it.
@robertjazz3613
@robertjazz3613 6 жыл бұрын
Billy Zane played Justin Wheeler it’s breaking the fourth wall
@noahkoppel3538
@noahkoppel3538 6 жыл бұрын
Billy was the name of the guy in jail with the messed up face that kept mimicking the dirty deputy.
@thebadfella5296
@thebadfella5296 6 ай бұрын
I always thought she was referring to Billy Zane. As the ending of the series showed, the season broke the fourth wall
@mandrake2529
@mandrake2529 2 жыл бұрын
have to remember that , this so call billy its mencioned for other two women when they're talking in the roadhouse , and one of them says that billy enter her house and has blood in his mouth and nose , the very same thing audrey tells charly she dreams... so this billy have to be real and for that the whole situacion of audrey with charly and billy too
@RobertSlover
@RobertSlover 6 жыл бұрын
great video and analysis, but i found the book to be a little disappointing in that it could have been a long appendix to the first book. my thanks to the local library.
@badzd
@badzd 6 жыл бұрын
Poor Audrey
@conflictmagazine
@conflictmagazine 6 жыл бұрын
Things turned out bad for her indeed. The Return, the more I think about it, has almost nothing to do with the original because we are shown not a continuation of the time line of the original but a time line that has occurred after many tries by Cooper to resolve his issues in the Black Lodge. Spoilers ahead just in case you need a heads up: Audrey died at the bank explosion that killed Packard. Ok, so folks may say she survived it. But she's not the only ghost floating around. We watched Jacque Renault died in the hospital. That is a fact. A long definitive death. Yet there he is tending bar at the roadhouse looking quite fit for a dead man. What we are seeing in season 3 is another time line entirely separate that had similar events to the first 2 seasons and I'm certain there are other inconsistencies to re-enforce the idea. I mean come on guys, Bobby is a COP :)
@marabou22
@marabou22 6 жыл бұрын
Jacque Renault in the return is referred to by a different first name in the credits suggesting that he's a member of the renault family but not Jaques himself. I forget what firsts name they use. It is the same actor though. Point is he's supposedly not the same character. Unless you're correct that he survived in a different timeline and is tending bar under an assumed name ...but lets not go there lol.
@conflictmagazine
@conflictmagazine 6 жыл бұрын
Well, different time lines is the defining mechanic of this latest season it seems so I'll go with 'Cooper has been doing this over and over for the last 25 years' theory. Helps smooth some of the jagged edges of the narrative. Good catch on the name change...hadn't noticed this on my first pass through. I just need for it to come out on disc so I can avoid 'Duggie'...ugh :) (Have to skip those bits like I do 'Cheer leader Nadine' from the OS).
@marabou22
@marabou22 6 жыл бұрын
Don't be a dougiphobic lol. I'm a fan of the "Cooper is in an infinite loop" idea too. always trying to save Laura then resetting. he's like sysiphus pushing the boulder up the hill in hades then having to do it again over and over
@conflictmagazine
@conflictmagazine 6 жыл бұрын
You got it...he is literally in Hell. As for Dougie, I think we all just wanted to see what happened after the mirror scene and Dougie (yes, I'll be nice and spell it correctly, lol) was like this giant pause button.
@8pool449
@8pool449 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I still don't get the point of Dougie actually- why did the Lodge create him in the first place? The only purpose he served was to have a ready made identity in place for Cooper to use while Mr C was pretending to be him. Have I answered my own question? No, still seems pointless!
@coldblueeyes
@coldblueeyes 6 жыл бұрын
I've read the Final Dossier and Secret History, but I think all this widespread assumption that Evil Coop is the biological father of Richard is unwarranted. My thinking is that it is still more likely that Audrey was pregnant (by John Justice Wheeler) at the time she went into the coma, and that JJW is Richard's father. Maybe Audrey believes Good Coop is the father because she is delusional, but I don't see anything conclusively pointing to Evil Coop as having somehow raped Audrey in whatever hospital she was lying in, comatose. Given the power of the Black Lodge to "possess" people, could her coma not have consisted of a trip to the Black Lodge, where her unborn child was somehow transformed into an evil spawn, so that Richard naturally took up with Evil Coop once he had grown up and become a psycho? I don't know. I just don't understand why everyone is assuming Evil Coop is the father and not John Justice Wheeler. I always thought there was something not quite right about JJW anyway, and he did after all disappear to South America, never to be seen again.
@richardhirviniemi5836
@richardhirviniemi5836 6 жыл бұрын
yes what happened to Audrey?
@tandyp9256
@tandyp9256 6 жыл бұрын
Sherilyn Fenn is in a movie called Boxing Helena. It’s good you should watch it.
@PetePeppers1
@PetePeppers1 6 жыл бұрын
I watched it when it was new so many years ago. Don't remember much besides that I liked it at the time.
@Roberson540
@Roberson540 6 жыл бұрын
It's crazy to think she was in THAT movie, yet whatever was in the season 3 script made her cry enough to get it changed (lol). Maybe it's a good thing we didn't get to see it!
@ShadowSonic2
@ShadowSonic2 6 жыл бұрын
I think she cried over her original S3 role because she'd only get one scene, and it was to be Richard attacking her and robbing her (which eventually got redone to Richard attacking his Grandma).
@wisemandaryn5953
@wisemandaryn5953 6 жыл бұрын
It's hard to say with David Lynch's art because it has the rather inate ability to operate on so many different levels. I remember reading a random review for The Return series at one point, and it suggested that attempting to analyze the events in the series is a mistake because it's not an intellectually justifiable story. I really couldn't disagree more -- there's a lot of articulate direction in terms of storytelling. I respect this theory on Audrey -- it's grounded compared to some opinions on her character, but this makes sense to the degree that it can, given what we know. Having said that, the questions are always much more pertinent because the themes in Twin Peaks directly & indirectly mirror our reality back to us.
@amaral08
@amaral08 6 жыл бұрын
I believe that each TP fan fed an expectation that Season 3 could be an artistical redemption for Sherilyn Fenn. She was unhappy in her choices after the remarkable work as Audrey, investing her talent in doubtful projects. Now we're struggling with an awkward feeling, lamenting the ungenerous treatment that Lynch and Frost dedicated to her. It sounds especially stingy and unjustified when you see the upshots given to other characters (the touching ending of Margaret "Log Lady", Hawk, Major Briggs, Bobby, Norma & Ed and others). TP-S3 was a celebration to many of them, but not for Sherilyn, and it's heartbreaking in real life.
@unprocessed_life
@unprocessed_life 5 жыл бұрын
Audrey changed for the worse due to life and Shelley is still the same. Both sad. Both REAL. I think that one COULD construe that on one level, it's possible Audrey had Wheeler's kid, still had to drop out of school, still was upset over ghostwood stuff, and finally said fuck you to daddy. I think it's very possible Richard's problems manifested because he had no father, which Ben said in a scene CLEARLY meant to show regret and humanization on Ben's part. Ben was no longer the work involved asshole. In many ways, Audrey's fate wasn't random. She was a neglected girl who always had to do her thing and unfortunately wasn't a success case. That's real life for many. Twin peaks is real life for many. There is a reason some viewers have brought up the television theories. That when COoper and Diane edrove 430 miles to the powerlines, they left television world and entered OUR world, and became Richard and Linda.
@samdovakin2977
@samdovakin2977 9 ай бұрын
In the second season when windom Earle contacted adury the camera switched to a camcorder I think at that moment she was starting to get pulled to our reality or some other than twin peaks
@sarahg4409
@sarahg4409 4 жыл бұрын
Wait .. What if the Audrey that woke up from the coma was NOT the real Audrey but a Tulpa, just like Diane? And the real Audrey is actually that other girl cooper saw in that in-stars place where the lady without eyes live! ... like for real, remember how evil coop only ra*ed Diane when he knew she was a tulpa? Same for Tulpa Audrey! Like remember “You were manufactured for a reason” ....
@patgogan7324
@patgogan7324 6 жыл бұрын
Well now it seems like Lynch might be considering a s4 but do we really need it?
@PetePeppers1
@PetePeppers1 6 жыл бұрын
I will definitely watch it whether it's needed or not 😀
@kowsky1
@kowsky1 4 жыл бұрын
More want than need at this point.
@HauntFreak13
@HauntFreak13 2 жыл бұрын
Poor Audrey :-(
@biketyson691
@biketyson691 6 жыл бұрын
Season 4, they’ll just call Cooper a different name every scene. Agent Jeremy, Agent Dave, Agent, Joe.
@jfrsnjhnsn
@jfrsnjhnsn 6 жыл бұрын
The Secret History of Twin Peaks was a really good read, with lots of good real history and UFO lore mixed in. "Tammy"'s little side notes were annoying but the book overall was still worthwhile. The Final Dossier on the other hand is a disaster. Written entirely by "Tammy", a terrible character, and filling in the show's blanks in as uninteresting ways as Frost could think of.
@Denver_Risley
@Denver_Risley 3 жыл бұрын
Works for me.
@JustinQuinn623
@JustinQuinn623 6 жыл бұрын
BOOM there you are
@raunaqmukherjee5222
@raunaqmukherjee5222 4 жыл бұрын
Teach me how to Dougie :3
@danom3572
@danom3572 5 жыл бұрын
Or are we seeing the new time line affect Audrey in "real time"... dum dum daaaa!
@TAQ2Music
@TAQ2Music 6 жыл бұрын
Well, that just sucks. I have only been able to see the first three episodes of season 3 and wasn't sure I wanted to proceed. It just was missing old Twin Peaks except for the minor presence of some of the old favorites. After hearing about Audrey, I really am hesitant to try and watch the rest. Seems to be from what I did see is that it's a new story with the name to draw in fans. Those episodes just didn't have the flavor. I may be wrong. As I said, I didn't see most of it.
@fairyfuck8479
@fairyfuck8479 6 жыл бұрын
Terry Quadnau Jr. You just gotta power through. The pay off is,great
@sliceserve234
@sliceserve234 11 ай бұрын
Not sure which is worse, his voice, or the words he selects.
@TheAlte111
@TheAlte111 6 жыл бұрын
Totally wasted character imho.
@RobertSlover
@RobertSlover 6 жыл бұрын
writers don't owe you anything.
@b.robertson9042
@b.robertson9042 6 жыл бұрын
We don't owe writers anything either.
@RobertSlover
@RobertSlover 6 жыл бұрын
especially irrelevent comments that waste all our time......
@roberthudson6284
@roberthudson6284 6 жыл бұрын
Well that's why they had to make a Laura Tulpa in season 4 to make sure everything went back to normal.
@RobertSlover
@RobertSlover 6 жыл бұрын
no.
@pianomaniuuuu
@pianomaniuuuu 6 жыл бұрын
Frost's version...
@YOBAMUSTDIE
@YOBAMUSTDIE 5 жыл бұрын
Pete Peppers - your explanation is way too simple and wrong. There are few points of her inclusion this way - 1st one is meta, real life reason, if you have not notice that, her conversation with Charly and timing of it was happening at the moment when we all waited for answers and solvation of mystery, we wanted to get to conclusion fast , but Lynch was too slow, and Audrey felt exactly same way we did, and Charly was reminding Lynch in the way he talks to Audrey, so basically their conversation was reflection of predicted reaction of viewers who got impatient, and lynch answer to those impatient people, so in this context Audrey is not Audrey, she is us, and this is one (but not all) of the reasons she feels like she is not herself, this was 4th wall breaking, where we was Audrey and Charly was lynch who tried to calm us down. Her bipolarity where she wanted to leave and wanted to stay and listen the story about the girl who lived down the lane was also pretty much a meta context which represented Audrey as us, because at this moment, especially after scenes like 5 minutes of showel painting and floor cleaning, we felt like Lynch wasting time on unimportant stuff that made not much sense, and we almost felt like we want to leave, but yet we wanted to find out how story of girl (who is obviously a Laura) will end, so we stayed with Lynch same way Audrey did. This also served as meta joke and sort of trolling from Lynch, he knew exactly how we would feel, he manipulated our feelings, and all those long scenes was needed to make us feel exactly as Audrey... so there is second meta context, it not just Audrey became us, we as viewers was sort of turned into Audrey, and we was made to feel exactly what she felt, its like if our minds was uploaded to Audreys mind, and this is why she also said that she don't feel like herself, because in context of this scene our minds was uploaded into Audrey and we sort of vocalized our thoughts through Audrey mouth, we inside Audrey was like Bob inside Coop. This was quite ingenious and immersive scene, and it was just some mocking of fans and service of fans... there is a lot of evidence across whole season, that Lynch decided to merge our real world with imagined world of Twin Peaks and transfer Twin Peaks characters into our reality, to wake them up from dream world and show them real world, and one of the most important evidence of this is the fact, that in the end Coop is not Coop and Laura is not Laura, and owner of Palmer's house is in fact the real owner of real house in our real world, and Coop did not just shifted into another time line, he shifted into our real world, and his mind was uploaded into body of Richard, and uploading was slow, so Richard slowly got merged with Coop only in the end, when he asks what year it is... Actually Richard was synched with 2 coops from 2 timelines, one original Coop where Laura got killed, and one he created when she got missing, actually in episode 18 we see how Cooper from alternate "missing laura" timeline got out of lodge and meet with DIane, and this happens not after events of Season 3, it happens INSTEAD and chronologically Episode 18 happens at same time as Episode 1 of Season 3, and also (but it's tricky, ill explain it later) episode 18 happens at parallel of episode 17. Basically episode 18 is alternate 1 episode of season 3 and pilot of season 4, where evens alternate to episodes 1-17 compressed into one. At 1st in episode 18 we got alt-timeline-coop who leaving the lodge without getting into trap that send him into Journey of season 3 (which gives idea there was no anti-Coop in alt-timeline), than he transfer himself and Diane into real word, by syncing with Richard and Lynda at road trip and in motel, and then at the morning he wakes up from Twin Peaks reality, which was a dream for Richard (this is why cooper said we are living in a dream, and this is was Monica Bellucci dream was all about, but it's not like Twin Peaks is dream completely, it's more like if someone in another reality dreams something it shapes new reality, and this new reality dreams that other reality and makes it reality as well, 2 dream worlds co-exist and makes each other real, like uroburos biting it's own tail, and lodge is a crossing link point point between dreams and reality and between time and space, this was tipped back in TWWM where Laura got into dream which became reality of future of cooper, which happened in past for him but was present for Laura, and it was neither future, nor past for lodge, which is why Mike always ask is this is a future or past, even reversed speech always was a clue that they live in non linear time, for them time goes in reverse, so their speech reversed as well) , and Richard dreamed to be agent Cooper in Twin Peaks, but this time around Richard who lives in our reality, woke up not as pure Richard, but as Richard whos mind was merged\fused with alt-timeline-cooper who traveled with Diane, but merging process does not happens immediately, it takes whole episode, and conflicting memories of Richard and Alt-Coop and original Coop got him very confused, so he acts almost like Duggie… But you may wonder, how does original Cooper gets his mind uploaded into Richard? Well, remember fireman asked Coop to listen to the cracking sound of vinyl making loop and asked to remember Richard and Lynda and 2 birds with one stone? This was a clue of whats going to happen in episode 18. 2 bird are 2 coops and one stone is Richard, and cracking sound of loop happened in the end of Episode 17 when Laura disappeared and screamed... which gave a hint that time started to happen for Cooper, this is where original cooper story ends, and this where he got removed from time-space continuum and got back to lodge where events of 1st episode of got in synch with episode 18, at the point where mike ask if this is future or past... and this where things starts to happen differently, Laura is not present in lodge anymore, and cooper seems to expect her, which gives clue that alt-coop mind started to get in sync with orig-coop mind that got dissapered from past of this alt-time line same way laura did (it was not shown to make it harder to figure out) in the end of episode 17, so 2 birds - 2 coop started to get in sync within one stone - Richard. 2 birds and 1 stone also refered to Laura. In 1st episode we saw how laura disappears with scream, at this point her disappearance happened when same original coop saved her, so her scream in episode 17 actually was that scream in lodge, and same scream at end of episode 18. Basically when Coop saved laura he prevented her spirit (which ended there thanks to Ring), to end up in lodge, so her spirit got erased from it, and since laura also disappeared from past, she ended up missing from both timelines in the end, and Laura was Carry Page in our real world, so Carry woke up with both laura mind versions uploaded into her, which is why Carry also was confused as hell, and this is why Carry also was one stone, where 2 version of Laura was 2 birds. Since twin peaks world is dream in our real world, dream state acts as bridge between 2 worlds, and the only way to wake up in real world is cease to exist in dream world of twin peaks, so when both versions of Cooper and Laura ceased to exist in Twin Peaks world, they woke up in only remaining of dreamer body in real world - Richard and Carry, so these are our 2 bird and 1 stone. Similar thing happened when old time line was erased, original version of characters was not just terminated, their minds and memories from original timeline was uploaded, and they had some partial memories of past events before change, and this was tipped by many scenes, starting from conversation in alt-roadhouse, where Shelly talked about alt-version of her daughter son, who was not looser in this new time line and was loved by everyone, but Shelly had that feeling that there is something wrong about him, this was confused memories of original timeline Shelly. This is also was shown with alive Jaques Renault and other Alt Characters, including alt reality RR Diner, and that scene where same character who runed in and asked if anyone have seen his girlfriend, walked out of Diner at the same alt timeline. So, rule is like this - when character got erased from one time line, his memories got merged with alt-himself in another timeline, but if character got erased from both twin peaks timelines, he ends waking up in our real world and got merged with real world alternate version of himself - a "dreamer" who lived as character of twin peaks world in his dream, which became reality, since by twin peaks rules dreams shapes reality.. Now we are getting back to Audrey - she was shown the way she was for many reasons, as I said before, and I explained one main reason - meta reference to our real world, and merge of our real world with twin peaks. But its deeper than this. I suppose everyone, just like me expected Twin Peaks to be like quarter of century ago, that light and warm, dream like place... but you may have noticed that it changed a lot, it became dark and cold, and if you watched it carefully you may have noticed a lot of referenced to real world, starting from change of youth and police behavior who became very bad compared to old characters at same age they was in original Twin Peaks, and ending up by Alex Jones reference by Doctor J and inside joke about useless symbolic Gold Shovels, similar to survival crap Alex Jones sells in real world. And well Judy aka Jaudei is also a reference to real world... but I'll save it for later. Basically real world influenced dream world of Twin Peaks, and Twin Peaks reality started to merge with our reality literally, a lot of scenes had no significance for Twin Peaks plot, but they have importance in real world and they tried to rise awareness about darkness and evil (metaphorically speaking) that is pocessing people...
@YOBAMUSTDIE
@YOBAMUSTDIE 5 жыл бұрын
Part 2, bumped into limits of comments. So, where was I? Oh yeah: Basically real world influenced dream world of Twin Peaks, and Twin Peaks reality started to merge with our reality literally, a lot of scenes had no significance for Twin Peaks plot, but they have importance in real world and they tried to rise awareness about darkness and evil (metaphorically speaking) that is pocessing people...
@garycottier92
@garycottier92 6 жыл бұрын
I may be in the minority here but I'm just not that impressed with the books.They just seem a bit tacky to me.They capture none of the atmosphere and mystery of Twin peaks. I found the first quarter of the secret history boring and the Final dossier was okay but it didn't add much to anything. No pictures of the characters in the dossier and the stories were hardly riveting. The books are okay but to me they are just another way of milking the cow.
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