Two Planes CRASH ON RUNWAY | Grumman AA-5 with Electrical Failures

[@VASAviation]

N127SL Pilot Testimony to VASAviation: "Hello Victor, I am the PIC of the Skylane that was hit by a NORDO Grumman on Wed, 12/11/24 at LVJ. I would like to start by saying the pilot of the Grumman was very cooperative and apologetic. I was struck from behind with only a few second’s warning by an aircraft that had an electrical failure and decided to land way, way too close to me. I was coming in to land under normal circumstances and normal conditions. The Grumman had some sort of electrical issues, meaning they did not have an ADS-B out for me to pick up, and they were not talking on the radios. I brought my airplane down to the ground as I usually would, and that is when the third airplane, holding short of the runway, alerted me to the presence of the Grumman. I was shocked and simply responded with “we’ll vacate quickly”. I was solo at the time, but I’m just used to saying ‘we’ while talking on the radio. The Grumman had 3 occupants on board; only one licensed pilot. I added additional power to try and exit the runway onto taxiway A3 and expedite myself from the path of danger. I was struck in the rear left side of my airplane roughly 2 seconds after the third airplane said on the radio “he’s about to hit you”. My airplane came to rest with the nose off of the taxiway in the dirt. Somewhere in the process of the accident, my airplane also experienced a prop strike. The Grumman came to rest with it’s nose still touching the left elevator of my airplane. My understanding is that the runway was clear of the planes, but there was debris scattered from where the Grumman’s propeller tore into my skylane’s fuselage. I immediately hopped out of the passenger side, seeing that my pilot side door was crumpled and jammed. There, I assessed the health of myself and the three occupants of the Grumman. Myself and a ground witness climbed on top of the Grumman to help free the occupants as their sliding canopy was jammed. Luckily, no one was harmed. " N5450L Passenger Testimony on KZbin: "On Dec 11, 2024 was flying with a couple friends from Galveston to Pearland Regional Airport. I was in the right seat recording. Our plane, a 1973 Grumman, experienced electrical issues. First the headsets went out, then the radio, then the avionics (navigation). We knew we had to get down quickly and made an emergency landing behind another plane with no working instruments. Fortunately our skilled pilot was able to set us down. However with no way to communicate, the pilot ahead was unaware of our presence and stopped fast to make a left turn on the tarmac. With our flaps not operational, we couldn’t slow fast enough and plowed into his plane as he turned. The prop tore a hole in the left side of his fuselage and destroyed the side of his aircraft. Thankfully he had no passenger on the backseat or it would have been fatal. In our aircraft, the impact was devastating with aluminum crumpling and glass exploding everywhere. My shoulder pushed through the window and I sustained slight external injuries. But thankfully everyone was ok. The planes not so much, both are likely totaled."

[@pavelavietor1]

sorry about you aircraft completed destroy, glad you ok, Feliz Navidad

[@s_m_v]

That passenger needs to choose their pilot friends with a lot more discrimination.

[@threadripper979]

Your skilled pilot said it all himself - "my fault" Yes, it was.

[@jyggalag169]

Bright side for that Skylane, they get to be featured in the inevitable blancolirio video without being absolutely torn apart by him.

[@brettstowell4029]

On a clear VFR day, an electrical problem does not require you to get down quickly. The engine will continue to run without electrical power. All your "skilled pilot" managed to do was take a need for a minor repair and convert it to an unnecessarily expensive mishap. Loss of electrical power is a foreseeable risk. That's why pilots carry backup handheld radios, supplement SA with a Stratus / Foreflight (or similar) setup, and perhaps most importantly, know enough about the systems of the aircraft to be able to differentiate between a MAYDAY (engine out, for instance) and a PAN-PAN (maybe loss of electrical systems at night). Loss of electrics on a CLEAR VFR DAY just makes your Grumman more like a classic Piper Cub. Glad nobody was badly injured. To the Grumman pilot, thank you in advance for increasing our insurance premiums.

[@davidisaacson9543]

Juan is trying to figure out how to explain how stupid this was without using the F word on his channel

[@IN10THRC]

Right???

[@loudidier3891]

I'd give you more then one thumbs up if I could.

[@hirisk761]

the struggle is hard for sure! Juan has come danger close to loosing that F bomb 😂

[@GusHeck]

It's not THAT stupid. It's misjudged. He's experiencing full electrical failure, and it's unclear if his plane will remain flyable. (is the failure from a fried wire about to catch fire?). He's in an emergency and NEEDS to get on the ground. I imagine He got it lined up for a runway and then a cessna cuts in front of him. His high stress judgement whether or not the spacing was enough was in error, but technically as an emergency aircraft he should have had priority. (problem being that he had no way to communicate that he was in emergency). Given that nobody was hurt, his judgement wasn't that far off. Probably mostly he didn't account for the lack of flaps (due to no electrical power) giving him longer stopping distances. It might have worked with a full flaps landing. There are more holes in the swiss cheese than you might realize. The landing Cessna also has some blame as he failed to notice the NORDO on final for the same runway. It's something you're always supposed to check for. Can happen with equipment failure like this, or with wrong frequency tuned. Case a few years back at a local airport involved a very experienced pilot that had taped CTAF frequencies to his panel. The frequency for the airport changed, but he wasn't keeping up with the charts... He came in making calls to the wrong frequency and had a mid-air. Fault is a luxury granted only to survivors.

[@s_m_v]

@@GusHeck He was worried about an electrical fire but neglected to even go as far as turning off the _MASTER SWITCH??_ He did _NOT_ _"need to land",_ it was _NOT_ an emergency, Quit making excuses for ineptitude. It gets people killed.

[@buckbuchanan5849]

Great heads up by 738TM on this, calling out the closure and advising others in the pattern of the accident. Kudos.

[@HobbitHobbit]

I have no words for this "emergency". You begin to experience a cascading failure of electronics on a VFR approach, and your first thought is to land immediately, rudder to prop with the aircraft in front of you? Did 'S' turns not come to mind for spacing? In real-time, as I watched the video, I thought headset, instruments, etc. shutting down...bet the alternator failed and I drained my battery. What do I need to land and shut off everything else to save whatever power is left. I'm already in the pattern so have my passengers scan the sky, tell them everything is okay, and that we are going to make a few turns so we can safely land in a couple minutes. No loss of life or serious injuries but the destruction of two aircraft because of a drained battery hardly constituted the actions taken. Life teaches us lessons, everyone walked away and we all learned something from this video.

[@fontcaicoya5686]

If you watch the original clip, the Grumman pilot attempted one or two S-turns. Just giving context. I believe the Grumman pilot is going to have a severe case of spank-bottom.

[@HobbitHobbit]

@@fontcaicoya5686thanks for sharing. I didn’t see that but I still suspect he panicked. Know your airplane, capabilities, and maintain situational awareness. I don’t recall the airport configuration but the grass, a taxiway, etc. are better options. Also, a short field landing is an option although a go around was the best if he could create sufficient spacing.

[@fontcaicoya5686]

@@HobbitHobbit I should've clarified - the original video itself, not the clip shown here. It's a little longer and shows the aircraft performing an S-turn in futility. I agree - he should not have continued. A go around was warranted. His engine still had power, VFR conditions, airport is in plain sight. But who knows, guess we'll wait on what the NTSB says.

[@bridamy]

@@HobbitHobbit we learned that the FAA has absolutely failed in its regulatory obligations by allowing all these "pilots" to legally be in the air. This incident rises to criminal incompetence and absolutely needs to be reviewed. It's just absurd the lack of basic skills or even common sense I see in hundreds of videos within the private aviation community. The system is broken and needs to be rebuilt.

[@ericj8689]

I lost my electric mid flight once. Called the tower on my phone, everything was pretty normal after that. Looks like an over reaction almost got someone killed

[@VASAviation]

The phone is something that saves lives right now on a plane. And for these GA pilots and if they can afford it, why not take a handheld radio with you instead of a bunch of GoPros and all other unnecessary stuff? Whatever option would have been better than just crash into another plane.

[@ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo]

Had a similar issue. Had my radio die in a rental plane. I just lowered altitude and called the airport. Wasn't a big deal. I always keep the phone numbers of airports in my pre-flight notes.

[@RowanHawkins]

​@@VASAviationhaving a second (handheld) radio is approved extra safety on boats, so why not planes.

[@s_m_v]

@@VASAviation A decent hand-held can be acquired for less than an hour of dual in a Cub. The _"..if they can afford it..."_ addendum no longer applies like it did back when even the cheapest radios could easily pay for three or four hours of dual.

[@jyggalag169]

Lacking any other options, If you’re in a controllable aircraft all you need to reasonably do is get anybody else who can communicates attention that you’re in a complete comms failure. Once anybody realizes this they’re going to communicate the fact theres a comms failure plane and you’ll be safe to land. No need to overthink this and do something fancy or overthink it.

[@JSBIRD69]

There is no shame in departing the runway if a collision is unavoidable.

[@thud9797]

Exactly, why drag an innocent aircraft into your emergency?

[@av8or971]

so you are saying the cessna is at fault?

[@thud9797]

No, the Grumman is at fault.

[@HartsfieldSpotting]

@av8or971 Is reading comprehension that hard for you???

[@GusHeck]

I noticed that near the end he begins deflecting ailerons full right... like a car steering wheel. In times of stress/panic people always fall back on the things they have trained. Unfortunately the time piloting cars is far greater for everyone, so his gut reaction was wrong. This I think is a down side to yoke configurations. He might have had a better reaction in a stick or side-stick aircraft where his brain would not have an opportunity to confuse it with a steering wheel at a moment of panic.

[@jonnekjonneksson]

That was ridiculously preventable.

[@ma9x795]

This is the kind of situation where proper knowledge of your aircraft systems comes into play.

[@HyenaEmpyema]

It's easy for me to armchair this from the safety of home, but yeah the mechanical linkages of the flight controls will keep working on almost all aircraft. The fear would be losing power and I have no idea how aircraft spark plugs work, but with our gift of perfect hindsight, it seems the emergency aircraft should have gone around.

[@ma9x795]

@@HyenaEmpyema It has magnetos, which are similar to a car alternator, in the sense that they keep the sparks going due to the motion of the engine, although by a different mechanism.

[@lisabreuer6390]

Knowing how to fly comes in handy too

[@lisabreuer6390]

Magnetos do not need external power unless they are the new ones some people have which are electronic, and those are fairly unusual, and have either an old school one (the traditional magneto almost all planes still use) running half the plugs or an entire extra battery external from every other part of the electrical system if you have dual electronic mags. Mags are always in sets of 2, and airplanes have 2 plugs per cylinder so if one mag fails, you will lose very little power because the other one is still firing the other half of the plugs. All 4 or 6 cylinders will have at least one plug working so long as something else completely independent of a mag situation hasn’t happened. That ability to NOT need anything like an electrical system - That’s the point of them! If the prop is turning, the mags are making a spark for the spark plugs to make the engine run. There are plenty of planes out there that you have to hand prop (turn the prop fast by hand to start the engine) because they don’t even have an electrical system. And they fly just fine because as soon as the mags are turning, making electricity for the plugs to make a spark, you have a perfectly happy engine. My point is - this wasn’t an emergency lol. Zero excuse for this accident.

[@skyvenrazgriz8226]

True

[@consortiumxf]

A big shoutout to N738TM who saw this disaster unfolding and communicated clearly and quickly to the Cessna.

[@SpidaMez]

While he did great, I probably would have told the cessna to immediately go around instead of "Hes about to hit you." I do understand he was panicking though, so can't have too much criticism

[@maxmiddlebrook8125]

The Cessna was my brother. He was very thankful for that heads up so he could brace himselt

[@walover165]

​@@SpidaMez looks like the Cessna was very much on the ground though, far too late for a go around

[@SpidaMez]

@walover165 if he went full power even after touchdown he probably could have avoided being hit

[@walover165]

@@SpidaMez It seems there was only a couple of seconds between warning and impact.

[@Ksweetpea]

Lmao i've been in a Grumman AA5 and suffered an electrical issue (battery issue). My dad was PIC at KAPA. He calmly declared an emergency and the controller got him fit in to an immediate landing in a very tight traffic pattern. We landed just fine😂 this guy saw a hole in his boat and instead of making for port decided to wreck into the lighthouse

[@Felix-qf1ns]

Damn, if only planes were designed to still be able to fly in the event of an electrical issue. Maybe something with magnets or something, idk.

[@VASAviation]

The creator of magnetos is crying in his grave right now

[@lisabreuer6390]

You could spin those magnets around super fast and make electricity! Then-and I’m just spitballing here-put some wires out the back of these magical spinning magnets and stick them into the top of each spark plug! And if you did two of them for Putting two plugs into each cylinder… fuel would get burned really well, dual magic spinny magnets could provide redundancy… Naw - this is crazy talk.

[@VASAviation]

VASAviation is in direct contact with N127SL and looking to get more information on his end. Hoping to get in contact with the Grumman's pilot to know his POV.

[@JonBrase]

Given the nature of this incident, "direct contact" may not be the best choice of words. 😂

[@kosmamoczek]

If the Grumman pilot has any common sense left, he should be talking to his lawyer, not to us 😭

[@brettstowell4029]

@@kosmamoczek SA doesn't seem to be his strength.

[@VASAviation]

@@JonBrase touché

[@elcastorgrande]

@@kosmamoczek Affirm!

[@craig7350]

Whew that was close! With only a couple weeks left in 2024, the Grumman pilot is a major contender for the Dunce of the year award.

[@oooohkaay]

Grumman was dealing with an emergency and has priority. At an uncontrolled airport you need to make absolutely sure that the final is clear before taking the runway. Making an emergency aircraft go around is negligent. While the Grumman still had engine power, it is still advisable to get the aircraft on the ground quickly before other systems fail.

[@buckbuchanan5849]

@@oooohkaay PLEASE watch the video. In no way was the Cessna at fault.

[@oooohkaay]

@@buckbuchanan5849 I did.. I also know that at an uncontrolled field it is imperative that those on the ground do not enter the runway while anyone is on short final. Right of way always goes to those in the air, regardless of radio operation.

[@IN10THRC]

Aviate, Navigate, Collisionate. Check.

[@jetpilott2420]

Lmao 😂😂😂

[@paulwoodman5131]

He Flew, He Saw, He Crashed.... 🥴

[@LaggerSVK]

I guess if you would like to collide with an airplane you wouldnt do it in a different way :D

[@MeerkatADV]

The "skilled pilot" panicked and crashed into another aircraft. No reason he couldn't have done a circle in the pattern first.

[@jyggalag169]

Even if he couldn’t he couldve gone for the taxiway or the grass and not caused a collision.

[@MeerkatADV]

@@jyggalag169 Based on the video I'm pretty sure he could have gone over the top and landed in front of him and still had plenty of room to stop. He literally did the ONE thing that guaranteed a collision.

[@jyggalag169]

@ leapfrogging like that is an unreasonable risk and taxiway would be safer than doing so. Safer still would be not doing any of that and having a modicum of patience in what seems to be a perfectly airworthy and controllable aircraft.

[@MeerkatADV]

@@jyggalag169 agreed, he still has power and control. As I said initially, absolutely no excuse for not going around the pattern once and landing it.

[@skayt35]

If I was a pilot and still considered continuing after a cluster f*, I'd define more demanding conditions than what the FAA might require me to do. I'd envision 4-6 months of training with many hours of handling in-flight failure scenarios, led by a seasoned instructor and solo. Main success criteria: me being at ease with switching off components during flight, and being able to handle undisclosed failure modes induced by the instructor. In case of unsatisfactory progress, I'd need to sell the plane and quit flying.

[@firepilot109]

We carry a portable radio for such occasions. Also if you own a single engine aircraft and have much time in it and cant land by feel and sound of your plane in vfr conditions then you need more time with an instructor. Good luck getting insurance again!!!

[@grayrabbit2211]

Same.. Little Sporty's PJ2+. USB powered in case the AAs take a dump.

[@kaiyoko]

Also, they could have used that cell phone to call the airport instead of recording their stupidity... Or landed on the grass...

[@lisabreuer6390]

He needs to get into boating…

[@davidallan9624]

The aircraft with the electrical failure could easily have carried out a go-around. The engine, has magnetos, and the pressure-driven instruments don't need electrical power. They could have flown for quite a while and the incident didn't need to be treated as a full-blown emergency. It was very fortunate that no one was hurt.

[@sam-dz4sj]

Yeah and in VMC too😂

[@thomaswilson8634]

Wow. Incompetent pilot?

[@ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo]

You can see his gauges working perfectly fine in the full video too.

[@thud9797]

Or landed in the grass.. Totally ridiculous to do what he did.

[@TopGear413]

CFIs will be using this for years to come as the perfect example for what NOT to do... Piss poor ADM by the PIC in N5450L.

[@lisabreuer6390]

We’ve been watching this ever since it came out. So much material here! We will not solo sometime until they can do several touch and goes with no instruments at all. Yes, even the airspeed.

[@DeweyCheatumNHoweLLC]

Grumman pilots statement "the Skylane cut me off, I blew my horn and then he break checked me". /s

[@blake86303]

brake

[@tjobrien7675]

@@blake86303 brayk

[@DeweyCheatumNHoweLLC]

@@blake86303 Misspelling was intentional. It was part of the sarcasm.

[@ljfinger]

It's the plane in front's fault for not having a train horn mounted backwards on his rudder.

[@blake86303]

@@DeweyCheatumNHoweLLC sure.

[@risknerd1772]

Uhhh, you know, an electrical failure doesn't mean emergency landing, much less land into another aircraft on the runway. There is the good ol' GO AROUND option.

[@rodcoulter997]

AMEN …AC failure has NOTHING to do with the Magnetos keeping the engine running. Think PiperCub. Severe lack of “Systems Knowledge”…brakes are hydraulic not electric. Geez…

[@jetpilott2420]

I’ve had an electronics failure, and I just casually continued to my destination with everything off, and just used my phone to call the tower to get a landing clearance, and landed. Totally unacceptable. Grumman pilot shouldn’t touch an airplane ever again.

[@MisterAviation]

I fly the LSA Sling and sadly the fuel pump on that aircraft is electrically driven so if I had an electric failure, I also lose the engine. But there are alternatives to getting fuel to the engine at least

[@matthewwood3790]

@@MisterAviationif you slow down the video you’ll see a number of things, notably the pilots hands manipulating control of the throttle indicating that he is aware the plane still has a functioning engine along with positive pressure in fuel and oil gauges. This is because the Grumman like many pipers has an electric and engine driven fuel pump. It’s true in a low wing you should have fuel pump on during critical phases, but he had options

[@eltomas3634]

Looks like we got an abnormal electrical condition here.... "LEEEEROY JEEEEKKIIIINNNSS!!"

[@TheFirstConcorde]

There’s this thing called the go-around…

[@melbar]

Some call it overshoot, fits better here ;-)

[@flyer617]

They also have this thing called see and avoid. NOT see and crash into.

[@grayrabbit2211]

or the grass on either side of the runway, or taxiways... plenty of other options

[@buckbuchanan5849]

@@grayrabbit2211 I'll tell you, there is no "right side exit" due to the fact they allowed a housing area to be built alongside the runway, with a large retaining? pond. Not taking up for the Grumman, just stating issues with taking it off into the grass on the right side. Left side fast exit not much better with aircraft parked on the ramp, etc..

[@donmoore7785]

He didn't realize his plane could do a go-around - apparently!

[@tylerdurden2644]

Gives whole new meaning to See and Avoid.

[@z31beck]

I will never understand how the fear of rolling in grass can be bigger than smashing into another plane with a running propeller. That edge of the runway is an invisible prison for some people. This reminds me of motorcycle people that will jump off their bike and slide 100ft instead of just pulling their brake handle harder than normal 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@glseibert0825]

That's almost as embarrassing as what happened to my former CFI with two school aircraft. He was with a student in one of the tail draggers and they were pulling into our ramp. What he didn't notice, and neither did his student, that there was a 172 with another student/CFI on the ramp already. Tore up the 172 fusalage and the Citabria's engine had to be torn down due to the prop strike. The wreckage on the video reminded me of 12234's demise.

[@andylouden2310]

What about CAP 4260 wanting to do a touch and go with people next to the runway? Or the airport wanting to reopen with people next to the runway? Is the airport located on an island 100’s of miles from the nearest airport? Juan’s head will explode…

[@GusHeck]

Also, I don't know if it's the editing or not but they call for a landing almost instantly after the frequency has a call out about a crash. If the timing there is real (and not just blank space edited out), it seems like they didn't listen to the channel first before speaking.

[@Andruh999]

@@GusHeck Really?! Really?! What about the big white letters in the video immediately preceding CAP4260's landing call? The ones that say "15 MINUTES LATER..." You mentioned some flight training in another comment, so I presume you aren't significantly visually impaired.

[@ragheadand420roll]

If harrison ford had been flying and landed on the taxiway… this wouldve been avoided.

[@akiko009]

Except that Ford would've thought he's landing on the runway, so I'm not sure it counts...

[@davidtx8777]

We saw it! Unfortunate for all involved. Glad they’re ok, but damn.

[@pilotconnor4732]

This guy is going get cooked in here

[@krazyzito6274]

Blancolirio come explain to the peeps

[@TheGospelQuartetParadise]

I just sent him the link.

[@av8or971]

anyone but that idiot

[@krazyzito6274]

@TheGospelQuartetParadise by the end of today we ll have a video 😀

[@TheGospelQuartetParadise]

@@krazyzito6274 It depends on whether he's at the blancolirio global headquarters or off on a trip.

[@devinthierault]

"Explain it for the folks at home where the grumman pilot gets his ideas from."

[@CXyz1Larry]

The unsigned speaker at 1:45 was my instructor speaking from the right seat! We just started running our pre-taxi checklist on the ramp as this unfolded and activated our avionics in time to hear 0:51 and onwards. CAP4260 ended up bouncing the touch-and-go to a sizable crowd watching from the ramp lol

[@roscoejones4515]

This is so far, far beyond "making a mistake" or "poor decision making". Maybe there should be a category in an accident report for "minor problem on the aircraft caused my brain to turn into mush, was counting on magic to make the plane in front of me disappear".

[@theresacaron4238]

The Grumman pilot panicked for no good reason. Electrical failure in VMC is no big deal and those do not happen suddenly, the ammeter would indicate if the system was charging the battery. This pilot was not monitoring his instruments otherwise he would have noticed the discharge and shut off the master switch along all electricals to conserve battery power for the radio when landing. I've had this happen to me in the winter over unsettled northern Ontario, shut off all electrics except the radio, got an airliner to relay my intentions to Timmins airport and ETA, then shut off the master switch. It took an hour to get there, turned on the battery, called the common frequency and landed, no big deal. A lead had come off the alternator, got it fixed and resumed flight to field I had departed from, no biggie.

[@tjroberts00]

I had the same thing happen inflight a few years back and at night in my 172. I noticed the radios were starting to sound static and I noticed the ammeter was on the negative side. Master Off and continued on until close to the airport for lights, radio and flaps

[@chrisbrown05819]

Looks like a 709 ride on the schedule

[@JonBrase]

On another video discussing this accident, someone pointed out that not all aircraft even *have* the equipment that would be taken out by an electrical failure on a GA aircraft.

[@lisabreuer6390]

First taildragger I ever flew about 40 years ago had no electrical system (aeronca champ) We would hand prop it, then watch tower for light gun signals for taxi and take off (and landing when we got back)

[@ljfinger]

What the...??? Clear weather and you can see the plane right where you're going to land, and so you land anyway? I mean, if you have no thrust, I can see that, but, what?

[@VASAviation]

Even maybe go onto the grass instead of crashing right into them? And I mean in a real emergency situation where the engine and radios have stopped and you don't have a way to let the guy know you're right there behind him.

[@ljfinger]

@VASAviation Yeah - anything. Maybe they thought they were on the go and missed the very clear full stop call because of the electrical problems? I can't figure this out.

[@andyalder7910]

@@VASAviation Nice long taxiway to the left as well that's not used by small planes.

[@VASAviation]

@@andyalder7910 not familiar with the field and their parking positions, but yeah, that looks suitable too

[@tedstriker4278]

@@VASAviationexactly, wtf not switch to the Grass, rather damage his own gear and some traffic lights instead of killing innocent people…

[@chunkychuck]

Regardless of the circumstances, I am really thankful everyone is okay.

[@lostinasia25]

Ah, Back in the day as a student pilot doing my solo cross country, in VFR conditions suffered a catastrophic Vacum Pump failure. Artificial Horizon went out. I never experienced this before. The plane was running normally, had radios etc. Was about 45 into xcountry decided to fly back to orgin airport. Airport Manager said no big deal, you dont need it. Resumed xcountry. Was my best flight ever. Without the AI This case is similiar in that the pilot wrongfully deduced that this was an Emergency during VFR. It doesn't require you to fly a no flap approach and hit a aircraft on the runway. The best possible out come should have been to go around and do another no flap approach. 😢

[@cj20080]

I thought the cockpit video was the Skylane, and was wondering why he was saying "my fault", and then realized it was the Grumann. So, with the radio out didn't hear what was going on, but there were still two people in the cockpit and didn't see the Cessna?

[@lisabreuer6390]

Pax were too busy trying to not be beaten to death by the yoke flailing around madly lol

[@mxb_se]

Panic and overreaction x 1000. This is like having an issue in your car while driving down the road... and swerving into head-on traffic as a way of stopping.

[@lisabreuer6390]

Best interpretation so far! You are so right!!!

[@TheLincolnshireFlyer]

Thank you for the video 👍😊

[@JT09ER]

Can’t believe this…soo preventable. You can obviously see the other aircraft in front. The pilot should have acted quicker in Go Around or kicking the Grumman off the runway into the grass to prevent this collision with the Cessna. He did have time to react to prevent this. Glad everyone’s ok.

[@z31beck]

But, but, grass is scary.

[@JT09ER]

Why is grass scary? Post crash fire maybe…can be prevented with proper control inputs and precise execution kicking it off into the grass. In this case the Pilot is in a small single engine Grumman, He decided Not to go around and to land with an aircraft in front. Best option was to take the grass.

[@hiscifi2986]

I had an inop radio one day. Made all the usual calls but got no replies, even got no replies from an en-route commercial airfield, so twigged something was up. I thought 'Shall I continue to destination ?' but realised I would have to co-ordinate with a military practice bombing range, near my destination. So cancelled the flight and returned for a no radio landing. Looks like these two aircraft were one on top of the other, all the way down the glide-slope.

[@makingbiscuits24-7]

Oh, Pearland. We're such a quiet place normally. I think this is the second time this year we've had planes collide on the ground. Hobby gets the close call and we get the crashes. Embarrassing.

[@kevin409galv]

Electrical failure?? The only reason for a landing like that is engine failure or fire.

[@donmoore7785]

Wow he did some serious damage to that Skylane. "Sorry" doesn't really cover it.

[@bubz4196]

electrical failure isn't an engine failure lmao. pearland represent

[@larryeverett2397]

In 33 years of flying I've experienced 3 complete electrical failures one night IMC. Fly the plane it doesn't care if the radios work.

[@billywhizz6483]

This'll take some unravelling

[@lisabreuer6390]

Looks unraveled Pilot shouldn’t be a pilot if this is how he deals with non emergency inconveniences during day VFR

[@Darkvirgo88xx]

I'm not even a pilot and I knew it would still be operable enough to not rush the landing. We didn't run alternators in my dirt track cars when I raced either and just like an airplane all my important gauges still operated and the engine still ran.

[@frizzby-x]

Some accidents are preventable, but not this… this one is self-inflicted.

[@gregrtodd]

Apart from the obvious brain malfunction from the Grumman PIC, here's one incident when the helpful message from the witness probably contributed to the mishap. Totally understandable, as from his perspective it would have looked like the two were nose-to-tail, when in reality the Grumman was offset to the left. The radio message spooked the Cessna driver who tried to vacate as quickly as possible -as it turned out, right into the path of the Grumman. Without the radio call, likely the Cessna pilot would have stayed on the centreline, and the first he would have known was when the Grumman zipped by under his wing. Just thankful he wasn't carrying kids in the back of the Skylane. If nothing else, this will be a great training video for QFIs all over the world.

[@johnopalko5223]

A total electrical failure in VMC is an annoyance, not an emergency. The Grumman pilot should have gone around, stayed in the pattern, and landed when the runway was clear of other traffic. There was absolutely no reason he had to get on the ground ASAP.

[@ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo]

The full cockpit video that pilot should have his license taken away. He had an electronics failure... big whoop. His steam gauges were working perfectly fine and his just landed it without even thinking.

[@loudidier3891]

Anyone checked to see if he had the alternator on?

[@s_m_v]

@@loudidier3891 Master switch was on. First thing I checked to determine if this was another staged video.

[@s_m_v]

@@ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo If you need your gauges in the pattern, you need more practice with a CFI. Your eyes should be outside 100% in the parrtern.

[@AirTCO]

I think the best way for cessna in this case was not to decelerate for fast RW vacation, but keeping speed and vacate at the end of runway.

[@Strathclydegamer]

Can’t help but wonder if there was any subconscious influence from having a) a passenger on board and b) a passenger you *know* is recording your every action. I wonder whether that caused the seemingly panicked reaction of “I have to land instantly, regardless of the collision I can see I’m going to cause”. I hope that’s the case, because if it’s not then it suggests the pilot is just not suited to dealing with safety critical situations, that they panic and react rather than assessing the situation and their options. I know it’s harsh to judge a person’s character based on one, horrible incident. But when that incident shows how that person crumbles when subjected to unexpected occurrences, it does suggest they’re not someone to be trusted with safety critical responsibilities, not without a tonne of dedicated, in depth training.

[@rzero21]

the other guy should have told the Skylane pilot that instead of vacating, should have extended his rollout.

[@flyjarrett]

Victor, I’m thinking you need to do an awards show for the channel. Please allow me to nominate the Grumman pilot for worst decision of the year.

[@panda4247]

while I get the sentiment, I suppose it goes against the no-blame culture in aviation. FAA can probably revoke his license if they decide so, but the rest of us, we should just learn from the mistake and hope not to make it ourselves. That being said, even if (and that is an IF that I have no idea about, but even if) the 2nd aircraft had electrical problems and could not be picky when/where to land and maybe could not communicate, he could have (should have) seen the aircraft in front (0:41 seems a reasonable angle to see it) and probably should have rather land on the grass next to the runway.

[@aviation_nut]

​@@panda4247 I'm not sure what you mean by no-blame culture. There's of course cases where you have to give pilots some latitude in their decision making under certain circumstances, or just some really stupid and expensive brain fart like forgetting to lower the gear. But then you have cases like this, Trevor Jacob, and that student pilot who crashed into a hangar where there's literally no justification (except perhaps the fact the hangar pilot was a student, in which case it's a CFI problem) other than utter and inexcusable idiocy.

[@kel0ck85]

The level of incompetence expressed by everyone on the radio explains why this happened. Even with the CAP aircraft on the IFR practice approach. Why would you be so hard up to do a touch & go? Why not say ok I’ll execute a missed approach. No professionalism on the radio from anyone & the dude explaining how he got hit. If YOU got hit it’s not your fault. It the moron who panicked over something very simple & if they reacted that portly & a simple comms issue heaven forbid they ever be in a real emergency. Pilot should have their license pulled. Your emergency does NOT constitute any reason to act as recklessly as you did.

[@lisabreuer6390]

Exactly! This wasn’t an emergency until a really bad pilot made it one

[@SuperSulus]

was he trying to steer on the ground with the ailerons?

[@bridamy]

landing on a runway with another plane on it during good weather? Seems like the PIC is due for retirement and is lucky no charges have been filed. This is gross neglect and definitely rises to criminal. Don't be surprised to see those charges soon

[@nostooge]

How did Victor and Juan get the Grumman POV video so fast?

[@gibbo9089]

All the gear and no idea.

[@lisabreuer6390]

Bingo!

[@trinity72gp]

This is wild 😯

[@aarongee2401]

Not sure what to make of this. I experienced similar issues when I was a student pilot, but never would attempt to land on an occupied runway. I understand the need to get down if you’re experiencing an electrical cascade, but it violates the first rule of piloting. Never occupy the same space as another aircraft, object, or the ground. I don’t know if I would make the same choice in the same situation.

[@squattedjunktrucks9934]

The Skylane did not stay in it’s lane!

[@s_m_v]

That "skilled pilot" sounds like the typical product of a Part 141 school.

[@jetpilott2420]

Yeah. Super skilled pilot. 😂😂😂 jackass totaled 2 airplanes

[@higgsmocs]

If ya listen to the video sounds like an older fellow flying the Grumman sooo probably not lol

[@s_m_v]

@@higgsmocs what is the age limit to be trained at a Part 141?

[@traffictraffic]

Airbus has a term for pilots like this..R..Re...responsible? No that's not it 🤔

[@DavidMcCoyII]

I am still only a student, so correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't a plane that called out "traffic landing directly behind you" have called an emergency go-around for the Skylane? That would have alerted them to what was going on and they would have at least put the throttles to TOGA to get out of the way.

[@firepilot109]

They must of heard the controller say dont you dare go around. Lol. From a previous video. Jk before people start throwing things at me.

[@steveasher9239]

Great to hear small airport Unicom. I used to run a small airport and had some interesting communication with aircraft and incident "control". Including one where I might have well been radioing "You can do it Stryker". IYKYK.

[@timblack33]

I had an alternator fail catastrophically when I was student soloing… lots of smoke and burning wire smell at first but dissipated quickly. Battery was dead about as soon as I got close to my airport and down to pattern altitude. What did I do? Reached around behind me grabbed my 79 dollar handheld radio called my base turn and landed without incident. This guy needs to stick to driving. The way he was sawing on the yoke trying to steer terrifies me.

[@billfly2186]

At an uncontrolled airport, a radio isn't even required. Engine will operate just fine on the magnetos. Day VFR. Bad piloting in the Grumman.

[@GZA036]

1:51 "Nice"

[@ThatBobGuy850]

I don't know about the rest of y'all, but if'n *I* was on short-final and I heard a pilot told me that I had another aircraft "right behind me" that hadn't made a radio call? That throttle would've gone forward pretty darn fast and I'd be going around. A Grumman-what...Gulfstream? Widgeon? Heck with that, I'm getting out of Dodge as fast as I can!

[@byronumphress3805]

The Bethlehem star Ezekiel vision Elijah was taken 🛸 ophanim ? Or

[@byronumphress3805]

Von Dutch, the flying eyeball, 😜

[@eliteclassicdetailing]

I am not a Pilot but like Aviation but can`t standard why didn`t the aircraft behind the first one just do a go around ?

[@tyga3966]

VFR, field in sight, no comms (thats OK!) that's a go around every time. Idk if the grumman fuel indications are electric or analog but there was NO reason for him to land unless he was mayday fuel.

[@major__kong]

Fuel gauges in a Grumman require power. There is a sending unit.

[@tyga3966]

@@major__kong should still recognize how much fuel you have with vfr planning and dead reckoning. Unless of course, there was no plan, and no emergency procedures being followed

[@atcatorl]

Alternator and electrical failure... Checklist, fk that sheyte, I got this from memory... Let's see, mags are good... Engine good... Primary instruments are good... No flaps... Weather is VMC... Okay, taking all that information into account, the only logical thing to do is obviously to land on top of this guy right in front of us! YOLOBITCHES!!!!!!! Why didn't I "Go around"? My good sir, I am a PyLoTe! I don't "Go around", I go through...

[@bowdoin5063]

When the skylane turned final he said he had the landing traffic in sight. He must've known the landing aircraft was too close for comfort and should have aborted IMO

[@Ba_A]

So Grumman's choice was to ram (rear end) the other aircraft, with a collision certainty of 100%, instead of trying an emergency landing off the active runway to avoid the 100% collision. It still wouldn't be the best scenario for Grumman but at least it wouldn't have involved another aircraft.

[@LarsLarsen77]

The average IQ is dropping FAST. WTF?

[@andymacmac9151]

So N5450L calls for several radio checks, and someone responds loud and clear…. So the radio’s were working…. Why didn’t they call emergency/mayday to alert the aircraft that was lining up/ready to depart? If they had called mayday maybe the Skyland could just have went onto the runway grass verge to get out the way…

[@brandieolson3335]

Well he may have been able to transmit but couldn’t hear whoever said loud and clear. Regardless- should’ve used his eyes and seen another plane on the runway and went around. Electrical failure doesn’t mean your engine stops working unless you only have electronic ignition and no traditional magnetos…or only an electric fuel pump which would also be odd

[@GusHeck]

Yes. Even if you can't hear responses, if you think you have an emergency say it anyway. Let the world know you are not going to be behaving normally. If it doesn't go out, nothing lost. If it does transmit, maybe the Cessna says "Oh crap, let's not try to land in front of that!"

[@cenccenc946]

My BS meter is broken on that one. I want to see the accident investigation reports. Based the information so far, that makes no sense, beyond some sort of pilot error / target fixation kind of thing.

[@pfsantos007]

So other than the electric flaps, this plane was perfectly flyable. Why the rush? Why not some S-turns or do another pattern?

[@major__kong]

I used to fly Grummans. The flaps are worthless. They only reduce stall speed by a few knots. Probably just enough to meet Part 23 requirements.

[@rodcoulter997]

Magnetos supply electrical power to the spark plugs..NOT AC or DC power. Why aircraft are built that way. Engine runs fine.

[@Jmg831]

Fender bender, nothing that some bondo and buffing won’t fix

[@mattf244]

someone just got his license revoked for not doing a go around.

[@kathrynslye471]

I’m of the firm belief that all PPL students should be required to have at least 5 hours of tailwheel time on grass to get their license, preferably in an old Cub with a limited or non-existent electrical system. Disregarding the wholly unnecessary “emergency” landing of an aircraft whose powerplant and flight controls work perfectly fine on a clear calm VFR day, I saw about a dozen alternative landing areas that he could have safely put down on without ever coming close to the other aircraft. Pilots need to really stop viewing a paved runway like a pacifier and safety blanket. It’s not the only option. When I had my recent engine failure and had to glide back to the airport, I had 5 different landing options already planned out in my head - only one of which was the paved runway (which fortunately I made with a well established glide, a 90 degree rudder kicked turn to land, a few seconds of slip to drop to the runway, and my plane partner CRM’ing in the back monkeying with the throttle and alt air to milk 600RPM out of it). All flat surfaces are runways in real emergencies.

[@TomSherwood-z5l]

Another training video.

[@bot4reasons]

That seems like criminal reckless endangerment. Any legal scholars know if an emergency grants the pilot some leniency? What if he landed in a crowd of people to avoid tree tops? What is the threshold of criminality?

[@AstriaStarwynd]

It seems irresponsible to me to land so close behind someone when you know your ability to slow down is limited.

[@jimw1615]

There are just too many criteria to address regarding this runway collision to even leave a pertinent comment. I have known of similar aviation failings but none that were more preventable than this one.

[@HansCSchellenberg]

Seems like the Grumman pilot panicked and did something really stupid.

[@user-re4hc7yf2m]

Normalize revoking licenses after offenses like these. There’s no coaching available to someone who does this

[@dtsh4451]

Aviate, Navigate and Rear-wreck🤣

[@didja691]

As all the comments share..... the grumman pilot is not a "skilled pilot". This is a VERY rookie mistake (regardless of how many hours the pilot might actually have) and shows a very clear lack of knowledge of how the aircraft works. I can almost guarantee that this grumman pilot never trains or even thinks about emergency procedures since having received his PPL. At least he was absolutely correct when he stated "My fault". This grumman "skilled pilot" could have VERY easily killed someone.

[@Driftwood-Cove]

Why would they ever want to upload that video to youtube. I mean I'm glad they did but it's not very good for them.

[@brianbooser2170]

Can't imagine why I don't want to fly.

[@ayrshire1418]

Guess no one uses see and avoid anymore