Two Seat Crosskart #2: Suspension

[@jumpercabledadz]

“These shocks aren’t even moving, that’s stupid.” I love that you add the stuff that doesn’t work also, not just the good stuff!

[@GeorgiaRidgerunner]

oh man that orange and blue gulf themed cart is absolutely bangin wel done sir

[@Imarookieatthis]

Things like this is why I want to learn how to weld. Thanks for the great work and motivation!

[@KJRaycing]

Thank you! You definitely won’t regret learning and it’s a smaller learning curve than you are thinking. Buy a welder and start practicing! 👍

[@Imarookieatthis]

@@KJRaycing I will for sure!

[@dakota5041]

Legitimately want to use my time off from surgery and recovery to build one of these 💪

[@Robindaup]

I really wish weld together kits were sold, that bender is a serious impact on the old wallet vs dreams

[@KJRaycing]

Buying one already put together is a far bigger hit on the wallet…

[@PopJacare]

How much for complete build less power plant?

[@Drunken_Hamster]

@@PopJacare He doesn't do those.

[@johnnynewell4379]

Looking good brada, love it! Super excited about the new rear drive design you came up with. Can’t wait for the design for it. The reason I haven’t got you plans yet was because of the lack of finding outlaw rear parts. Think this will make it a lot easier for us to build these karts. Thanks again.

[@KJRaycing]

Yeah it’s a huge step for builders. I wish I had more time to dedicate to this stuff for you guys…

[@dougjohnson6265]

looking great Kyle...i enjoy your videos and builds very much...keep them rolling

[@KJRaycing]

Thanks man!

[@erichill5208]

Just happened across this video. Great video. I appreciate your effort to explain the build as your doing it. As well as the adjustability of the design. I just subscribed 👍

[@KJRaycing]

Awesome and thank you. I've been watching cool build on KZbin for a very long time and no one ever describes how and why they do the cool builds. Thanks again 👍👍

[@shessniper7268]

i have got your plans for the 2 seat kart. It took me a couple of weeks searching but i found some shocks I think would be a great shock for your kart. I have already purchased them and installed them on one kart and they work great. They are $632.00 right now includes shipping. fully adjustable for a sxs weighing a little more than what you are doing I think. worth a look at least

[@ajesusdisciple]

Do you have a link where to buy?

[@shessniper7268]

@@ajesusdisciple I bought these on ebay copy and paste (4pcs Front REAR Shock Absorber For CFMOTO CF800cc 800US-A Z8 Parts UTV ATV Parts )should get you there

[@TylerBrown-wq8hs]

What’s the eye to eye measurement on the shocks?

[@shessniper7268]

@@TylerBrown-wq8hs 16 inches for the front 21 inches for the rear

[@GuyWithCrossbuggy]

Really nice build! Really liking the design and shape of this kart! Looks like mine haha

[@KJRaycing]

Thank you! Yours looks cool too. I like how you adjusted the roof to make more head room, pretty clever way to not have to rebuild the whole thing.

[@GuyWithCrossbuggy]

@@KJRaycing Yeah I had to figure out another way because I wasn't able to make those bends like you did. Anyway keep up the good work from Holland

[@tylerwatts1004]

Hi Kyle. Great design. Just an observation that you should set your heim joints halfway adjusted out (of working thread not entire, so like a third of thread) when you weld up the arms so that you can tweak the alignment both directions once welded up. Otherwise this is a great setup! I'm looking forward to seeing your spool setup!

[@KJRaycing]

Thank you so much! I didn’t adjust them on camera… of course you set heims at center 👍

[@Chango99]

Impressive! Nice work!

[@KJRaycing]

Thanks man!

[@jdsgarage701]

Great video, but at least a shout out should due at the very least with regards to the entire rear suspension and most of the drive train setup.

[@KJRaycing]

Honestly I meant to give you credit for the rzr 800 carriers and rock auto hubs; long days in the garage and focusing on getting good info to builders makes it hard to remember everything. Sorry about that. And I did not use your rear suspension or center carrier, I’ve been building these for a very long time… and on your instagram you tried to play building my chassis as “version 2” of your crosskart with no mention that you bought the design instead of doing it yourself…

[@marcinszuba5637]

Happy New Year Kyle Can you do a video on how to build the rear end center .

[@KJRaycing]

Happy New Year. And yes I will.

[@LuisDiaz-kg1fy]

Great video!!!!! Please have me in line for one of those rear ends, really interested!!!!!

[@KJRaycing]

Yes, sir. Will do!

[@LuisDiaz-kg1fy]

@@KJRaycing cool, thank you so much. Keep up the good work, love your videos!!!! Thanks again for your service!!!!

[@sheets8277]

@@KJRaycing when and where can we get one of those rear ends need to be in line for one

[@killerdoxen]

2:50 Are you planning on bracing the rear end assembly from being pulled forward by the engine? You could do an adjustable linkage forward so you can set the chain tension. No matter how much you tighten that swivel bolt, it’s not staying when you give it the juice. Just something that caught my eye.

[@KJRaycing]

Um. Yes. I’m going to do more to the rear end… this is my fifth crosskart.

[@jrminate]

he knows what hes doing. That is what adjustable heim joint rods are for. 1 or 2 would work to hold it. 2 would give it extra strength.

[@killerdoxen]

@@KJRaycing Just asking. You'll excuse me for not seeing that part of the single cart build. The two place was more what I was looking for. Was thinking of grabbing the plans when I got some spare money.

[@gregchatham3890]

Awesome build, how much would a rolling two seater chassis cost and will a crosscart handle taller tires, as in a razor or other side by sides for more ground clearance?

[@KJRaycing]

However much you budget for on your build 👍

[@jrminate]

kawasaki brute force 750 shocks would be perfect for that 2 seater cross kart. Would be right around the same weight. Could use oem or aftermarket shocks built for brute force 750 if you didn't want to go through the hassle of custom built. Elka stage 3 would be sweet for the crosskart, but it's $1600 for a full set. FOA is another company to look at or zbroz racing exit shocks. Just trying to help people out!

[@KJRaycing]

Heck yeah man! I’ll definitely look into this, thank you!

[@Jbruening1986]

I love these kart plans, have you included rear diff plans yet?

[@KJRaycing]

Thanks man! I appreciate that. I’m currently building a stock of rear ends to sell. Plans for them wouldn’t do it justice as I needed a fab company to do some of the more technical work. And how nice would it be to get a fully assembled rear end?

[@jeepcherokee24]

is this rear end piece that you mention being available in the store at some point actually available? It looks amazing

[@KJRaycing]

It has been in the store for almost 2 years 👍. And thank you!

[@jeepcherokee24]

@@KJRaycing haha! My fault. I was looking for the PART itself and I didn't notice the build kit thing. Hey I commented on another video but do you have plans to release a chassis kit for the vf-2? Im going to make an electric version

[@KJRaycing]

Well of course there are plans. All of this just takes time and money, I don’t charge a lot for plans and kits so it takes a little while to save up. I’m hoping to release the VF-2 prefab kit next year.

[@John-ni8px]

Ant time frame when the new rear end design will be available?

[@KJRaycing]

I just did final assembly of the final prototype. It. Is. Awesome. Parts are on the way to make a bunch more for you guys 👍

[@BradleyHughes-u9w]

I’m trying to trade on a one seat go kart but prefer it to be 2 seat so my dog can ride too. How would one go about widening it 4 inches on each side?

[@alanlamblin6606]

Would like to see maybe a dune kart that be cool

[@KJRaycing]

They can totally be set up for the dunes!

[@kpking363]

So with the harbor freight engine what kind of transmission did you use

[@vulcanus9384]

Nice, should be a fun build, what engine do you plan to use?

[@KJRaycing]

Thank you. Yamaha 1200 4 cylinder.

[@rafaelrochaneves]

Olá,sou brasileiro gosto muito dos seus vídeos,e creio que outros brasileiros tmbm gosta.seria legal se vc conseguir por legenda em português pra nós obrigado pelo conteúdo

[@fran.6496]

Isn’t it better to use A-Arm suspension in the rear since u can have no camber gain? Can u explain why did u put that Type of suspension for the rear? Does it get less torque twist maybe or?

[@KJRaycing]

Well that’s what we are going to find out… a-arms and trailing arms are included in the plans for whichever you think is the better setup. The rear end is the same from the single seaters and the a-arms have already been proven with those. The advantage of trailing arms build-wise is more space for the chain and less heims. Con is definitely alignment and geometry, these take a little more time to get squared up.

[@chuckingram5966]

There's not a whole lot of different cross cart plans to purchase I prefer the looks of yours best. Do you ever plan on putting the plans together for a single cedar that has perfect geometry in both front and rear suspension? So far I've watched many of your videos of you building a cross card one and two seaters and you don't seem to have the design to get all four corners geometry correct what's your plan for the future

[@KJRaycing]

My suspension geometry works really well; I’m a little confused by this to be honest. I have videos of them jumping, drifting, going fast and now crawling over obstacles. The plans are for the chassis and rear a-arms. The videos show you how to set up suspension plus I hope you guys do a little research to set them up for your driving style.

[@chuckingram5966]

@@KJRaycing I've been watching you from the very beginning of this venture and your talent has come a long way with the experience you have endured. With all due respect sir I'd love to see you leave the glorified yard carting level and move up to open desert. There's so much more to learn and experience not to mention the enjoyment of family outings to the deserts for a weekend or two per month. That's my plan. That's how I grew up and I'm looking forward to getting back to it been too many years away from it. I'm talking longer wheelbase wider track 15-16 inches of travel all the way around ultra lightweight Wheels and tires narrow yet tall 26 to 28 in with some real suspension like King and perfect geometry. God that sounds good I do so love the desert. Thanks for everything you've done and keep up the good work.

[@KJRaycing]

Man that’s my dream too. Not much desert in upstate NY though. This was always a stepping stone to bigger builds and I have about 7 years until retirement, plus those awesome desert machines have at least three times my budget in them. I’ve got a ‘69 baja beetle and I would probably just build that out for desert fun. Thanks for tuning in for so long and I always appreciate the good comments and short conversation.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

I think I missed it, but what's the overall width on the VF2 tire to tire? The same 64-ish inches?

[@KJRaycing]

Yes, sir! Hub face to hub face is around 54” and the rest is wheel offset and tire width.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

@@KJRaycing Nice. Have you ever shortened or know of anyone who's shortened the Miata axles 2-3in on each side so the overall width is closer to a Honda Pilot Fl400 at 59 inches?

[@need4speed069]

What are those 2010 RZR 800 or 800S front Upper & Lower control arms did you use, I want to use this front suspension on my VF1

[@KJRaycing]

Used RZR 800S arms. They are a little wide but Should work on a VF-1, especially if you are thinking long travel.

[@alejandroaguayo2372]

Hello am a subscriber from Guadalajara México a i would like to know how i can get ir buy the plans to build the Cage and everything else

[@KJRaycing]

Check the description of any of the videos. Enjoy the build 👍

[@אלמוגצרחי]

I will like to know what is the total cost?

[@byakaBenny]

What spring rates do you use for the VF-1 front and back?

[@KJRaycing]

I use stock polaris outlaw shocks with the pre-load set pretty high. They work great for the single seaters and may just work on the two seater… I’ll definitely share what I come up with.

[@jacksonobrien2963]

Would it be possible to get a 3d model (such as a step file) of the one seat cross kart

[@KJRaycing]

I do not give out the CAD file. Sorry.

[@Rustyskillet]

I got raptor 660 complete front end to use on the 2 seater do you think that they will be strong enough for a two person kart

[@KJRaycing]

So my simple logic on if something is strong enough is two things… can you ride a 660 with two bigger dudes on it? (probably already been done). Are you willing to change bearings more often from the added stress even if they don’t seem bad? Like I said, simple logic 😁

[@Rustyskillet]

@@KJRaycing I purchased you 2 seat plans and getting the parts together for it I'm using a 2019 Kawasaki Z650 for the build not as powerful as some but should be plenty of fun. I will probably pick your brain once and a while on my build if that's ok. I wrote you earlier on my wife's youtube (tammey comment) was wondering if you had any thoughts on the shocks? I am 53 and have watched all of the build video's several times. Looking forward to more info on the rear carrier!

[@KJRaycing]

@@Rustyskillet you can definitely reach out! I didn’t do facebook before this but we have an awesome build group on there and lots of info and ideas from me and other builders. As far as the engine; I would honestly put a predator 459cc on this and I’m sure it would still be a total blast. Enjoy the build and stay in touch!

[@67lnr80]

Do you sell completed cross karts? Specifically the two seater one? If so where around how much ?

[@KJRaycing]

I do not, sorry. I just don’t have the time. So many people from around the world have built their own from the plans and the build videos, some of them with zero fabrication experience. It’s an easy way to save $50,000. Enjoy the build 👍

[@67lnr80]

@@KJRaycing only problem is I live in a condo. But I'm able to store it for the weekend. Thank you tho I'll try and figure out something

[@KJRaycing]

It sucks man I know, buying one will run you $35-70k and you can build one for as little as $2k. It’s tough I know but that’s all I can offer. I wish you the best, man 🤜🤛

[@67lnr80]

@@KJRaycing you do solid for us. That's really a no brainer. Maybe I can rent a spot I can build one. Keep up the good work. Cant wait to see new vids on the two seater one. That's the one I'm very interested in

[@michaelabramson1]

Do u sell any of these 2 seaters and what the cost to build

[@KJRaycing]

They are CONSIDERABLY more affordable to build. I budget for a round $6k to build but you could spend as much as you wanted on one of these 😎

[@cyrildiolola8616]

sir do you blueprint on this two seater kart

[@KJRaycing]

Yes. Check the description 👍

[@cyrildiolola8616]

@@KJRaycing thanks

[@russellafowler7403]

Do you sell a kit for 600cc

[@KJRaycing]

Sorry man, you have to bend and notch the tubes yourself. There is a lot more pride in building something from scratch anyway. Good luck sir 👍

[@___dont_know_a_username__6582]

Does anyone know the measurements of the crosskart?

[@KJRaycing]

The plans know all of the measurements 😉. Link in the description if you want to build your own. Enjoy the build 👍

[@___dont_know_a_username__6582]

Thanks also how much did this build cost?

[@bikeboys4826]

what size tubing

[@KJRaycing]

In the plans

[@bikeboys4826]

i didnt buy plans@@KJRaycing

[@bikeboys4826]

but love your stuff only 14 and building my own custom kart

[@romkasponka]

Try to swap just springs.

[@KJRaycing]

I’ve been looking into this exact thing! Closest springs I’ve found so far are more than double the rate though. I’ll use the shocks I have now until I have a final weight then get springs to match. Thank you.

[@shaikameerpasha8036]

Fist like😍😍😍

[@user-jl2jf3ot1y]

Hi

[@80hotdiesel]

put me on the waiting list for a rear end set up

[@user-jl2jf3ot1y]

alsalam ealaykum ana min aleiraq arid qiasat hadhih alsayaarih likay aiemal mithlaha arju alrada ealayh wana aushkuruk

[@SawaWatanpubg]

Please can you give me a plane for free✨

[@KJRaycing]

The plans cost less than a steering wheel…