Straighter Ball Flight from Lie Angle Fitting

[@thechaa3176]

I live in Malaysia n its 300 trillion yards from these guys. But if I'm rich, I would take the trouble n fly all the way n stay for a week juz to get fitted by Ian. You are the Master Yoda of golf fitting

[@fholojr]

"We got this guy Matt here. He's pretty good. Might have him in a couple of videos... Idk, we'll see." - 2 years ago.

[@clubchampionmedia]

🤣 🤣

[@ilovebigputtsandicannotlie5355]

Matt is the marketing guy?? 😂

[@yugimufasamastah532]

I don't think they can get rid of him now. The viewers would throw a fit

[@mikebould5651]

@@ilovebigputtsandicannotlie5355 Fairly sure its matt who likes all the 'eh this matt fella is alright like' comments

[@connorold3272]

It’s so funny to look at these older videos and see Matt’s swing and how it’s changed over time as well as the way Ian and Matt interact. Of course Ian’s knowledge about equipment has grown but Matt understands so much more of what Ian is talking about now but even then he asked great, curious questions. Fascinating to see how far you boys have come, extremely happy for both of you

[@roadtoscratchgolf3481]

Excellent explanation on the importance of lie angle in clubs. Another reason to get properly fit from a reputable club fitter who has your interest above their own, and not just looking to make a sale. Easier said than done. WE have many fitters in my area, but I don't know who to trust. The hardest part is finding an excellent that works best for you. Cheers.

[@subwaytm]

Wow, so glad I stumbled onto this. Feels like we found the lost audition tape where Matt’s reading lines for a new show’s pilot. Weird to watch Matt breaking parallel!

[@NWP4440]

Just another video that is educational and frustrating. Frustrating that most fitters have not a clue. Awesome!

[@djmico0713]

Just scrolling through old videos and it’s so cool to see Matt’s old swing, hitting a fade-y 6 iron 190, and having the lie bent 1 up to now, I believe, matt currently being 2 flat and hitting a 7 iron 190 with a draw!

[@mattwilliams3104]

Crazy to look back at Matt's swing and the changes he's made. This is why I love golf - a minute to learn a lifetime to master

[@zombieceg]

A whole other level of fitting with this channel. Learning so much and had 2 fittings and did not even come close to this expertise. Educating the golfer of today and offers help on choosing the right fitted equipment. You guys make a great team! Thank you 🙏🏼

[@adamgoertzen9345]

This is so cool, did a little KZbin search and found this old video. You guys chemistry together was great from the very beginning. Really enjoy your material.

[@theohuioiesin6519]

Best golf gear channel in my opinion. Love listening to you guys

[@rodneysmith4061]

Love watching these old videos and looking at the progress in production. Content has always been good. Keep up the good work.

[@daviemor]

Awesome video, my understanding of lie angle has increased 10 fold. Watching Matt’s ball flight before adjusting is like looking in the mirror for me, will definitely be getting my lie Angie assessed. Shame I can’t fly from NZ to see you guys.

[@thomasconway5466]

This is the most informative golf series in the galaxy....I was stunned by the competent expertise and delivery of the first video of yours I stumbled across, and each is better than the last. Can't stop watching....wish you were in CA! Also wish I could buy you a beer.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Thanks Thomas!!

[@No_one_important22]

Man Matt has changed so much in 2 years! The whole TXG experience looks to have just improved which is awesome. Clearly both Matt and Ian are always working on getting better and more knowledgeable, bringing the best information to the world of golf. Also I love how recommendations have changed as Matt improves. I think it was 7 weeks ago you guys did another lie angle video where it was suggested that Matt might want to talk about angling down to give length and help with the pull in his shorter clubs. Unless I completely misheard in which case ignore my ignorance 😂

[@michaelstafford4473]

Great Video! Before watching this video I thought you'd always want your dynamic lie to be zero. Thanks for the insight!

[@MMcG25]

This is great! Love it. And the fact that there's a lefty striking the ball - even better for me - a fellow Lefty!

[@igolffff]

Amazing video! I’m really impressed with Ian’s knowledge.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Cheers Kevin. We've got so much more good content coming for you guys and we really appreciate the support. Ian

[@chuckhill6299]

Very interesting information. There is a ton of bad info out there about fitting. The GC Quad seems to be a huge tool in reading the proper information. I learned a lot from this video. Thanks for this info.

[@whiskerrub]

Really enjoying your content if this reflective of how your clients are treated I hope you expand out west, eh!

[@chriswallace6202]

Love your discussions. Would definitely consider coming to Toronto for my next set of clubs.

[@stephenperrone8694]

This is one of the best informative videos on a critical fitting element that is very often not paid enough attention to. (Wish the audio was a bit clearer.) The information as to the flexing of the shaft on the long irons causing dynamic lie angle changes is rarely mentioned and fitters will adjust all the lie angles to the same degree based one club. Also this information may give more credence to Bryson DeChambeau's single shaft length concept for all irons. Being that all shafts are the same length, essentially this may permit all lie angles to be the same for each iron. Unless the head weights are causing the flex of the shaft on the downswing more in one club than the other as you demonstrated happens on clubs with different shaft lengths. But it would be interesting to see what happens to the lie angles for same golfer using equal length shafts. Perhaps a follow up video on this later. Great work.

[@speerchucker64]

Coming back to this in late 2020 and fun to see the changes all round

[@quincyrichards2303]

Have my Lie and Loft Fitting booked. See you in a couple weeks! Looking forward to this!

[@rcp2bTube]

This is fantastic stuff guys. Thanks. (Definitely coming for fitting).

[@PbD187]

This is one of the most informative videos I've ever seen.

[@Jules551]

When I went to a fitting I was 0.2 , 0.3 with my swing , but was toe up 2° s and the fitter said that was bad , but watching this toe up is better right , love this channel

[@jasonprice9823]

While I clearly don’t have the distance this fella has, I’m a lefty with the same type of flight. I’ve done a fitting and I will definitely be looking into this when the season starts here in Canada.

[@btexpress53]

Wow! That was a great video. Very informative.

[@dougholtz]

I got my first fitting in 1978. I still remember the "customizations" the fitter was going to do. As time passed, the Ping color chart came into my hands. Today I'm 70 and am looking at forgiveness clubs. When I look at Callaway Rogue X on their web site Callaway allows me to custom fit my set to my expectations. One is loft. These new forgiveness clubs off the shelf have strong loft angles. Is it smart to order a set of new forgiveness clubs and specify a more traditional loft angle, say -3 degrees, to get back to traditional loft angles? What would we lose by flattening the lofts back to traditional loft angles, and how would that affect the lie? Thanks for such a great channel.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Hi Doug, it would actually affect the bounce angle not the lie. So you would be adding a degree of bounce for every degree of loft you add. If you order 2 degrees weaker lofts you should be fine though in terms of bounce. Ideally see if you can visit a local shop or fitting centre to try out the irons first and see how they perform with their stock lofts before deciding on whether to change them.

[@RoughGuitarMan]

Love all these videos, very informative. Q Why do manufacturers make driver lies so toe up as standard? I expect with such low loft it won't make too much difference to where the face is pointing.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Something we hope to do a video on soon actually Alan!

[@hosoiarchives4858]

@@clubchampionmedia please do

[@storieswithaly1247]

Good to know and understand better that lie angle composition may need to be different for different clubs. In my iron fitting they went from one club only and made the lie angle the same for all clubs---

[@darnelli7690]

Have you guys fit many people that are fairly short? I'm 5'1" and what do you generally do to start with? Much shorter shaft or flatter lie? Being 500 miles away to the closest actual fitter, I have to fit myself to my clubs and I change shafts, lie, etc. I use the line on ball trick for fitting lie but, I either have to bend irons 4+ degrees flat or cut 1.5+ inches on the shaft or combination of both. Drivers not much I can do but cut down to 42 and just get used to the big draw on drivers. Always kinda wonder what you guys tend to do on us shorties.

[@krusher74]

I learned something new today!

[@russellfothergill9082]

Great video. One slight critique is that it’s where loft is pointed and not face angle that determining face to path relationship. Quad measures face angle which will obviously v different to loft the more lie moves away from being zero

[@ianfraser3194]

We're just making it easier to understand for the mass group Russell. When people think loft they think of a vertical measurement, when they think face it's perceived more as a horizontal measurement. Therefore its easier to think of lie influencing face angle in order to influence launch direction and FTP relationship..

[@5wisher5weet]

Brilliant, really love this channel. Great job

[@mrtopramen]

Awesome video. I’ve seen this done with pros on tour the day or two before the match but also thought perfectly flush with the ground was best for like angle. Good to know 👍🏼

[@benross422]

Man has Matt's swing changed for the better. So much more power now but now toe up these days

[@MrDomski7]

The lad absolutely rips it!

[@Midway47]

Love his “misses.” If I could hit any of my shots like his I would be doing cartwheels.

[@neutrino61]

what about fitting the lie for FW woods and the Driver?

[@CB_RedBeard417]

Does the same rule apply to a righty, or would it be opposite? My miss is left also. Thanks for another great video guys!

[@clubchampionmedia]

As a right-handed golfer than misses left, you would potentially want a flatter lie angle to help your ball flight

[@gimbalair]

Fascinating, and while I’m no where near Matts std I can see my miss’s and now have a potential explanation for them, I don’t get hung up on divots if I hit greens, but if I don’t, I didn’t consider dynamic lie as a potential culprit

[@Ebuteho]

will getting my irons 1 degree upright make a huge difference? I have a fade and would rather hit the ball straight or a tiny draw

[@alfredtu2]

I'm coming in for the Lie/Loft in July, looking forward to sorting out my clubs! :)

[@speedevo]

Hi if i was interested in this (also because i'm a hack been pounding my clubs into the mats all winter). Which service should i book for 1) distance review or 2) lie/loft check? I wouldn't mind also seeing if a swing weight change might help.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Come see us for the distance review session Kenny, loft/lie adjustments are included with that service.

[@frankcolangelo3287]

Just had a distance session with you no lie or loft adjustments made or suggested sorry for negative comment but nothing was accomplished,a bit disappointed

[@craigb3974]

Thanks for replying to my question re acceleration profile and deflection when fitting. Next question - there are now 'low spin, high launch' irons. I have tested the P790 and I find there is a noticeable difference in carry distance with good peak height however spin numbers and decent angles indicate that I wont be able to stop the ball on the green effectively, especially as I play most of my golf on the Melbourne Sandbelt. A couple weeks ago I played in a tournament with a +2 handicapper and he had the P790s custom fitted into +3 degrees in loft to get around the issue, but to me thats just using a club with the wrong number stamped on the head. Would using a "high Launch/spin" shaft (eg NSPro 950) be more effective than cranking the lofts to achieve more optimal numbers? Would that even work? (Im assuming that the CGs and even bounce of each head will be effected by changing lofts so much rather than being in the place that they were designed to be in). Cheers (again)

[@WiseguyDesign08]

interesting question..my opinion is that adjusting the loft is the best way to get better control of the spin numbers..shaft doesn't or might only have little effect if u're looking for better spin control...p730 has higher loft for each club compared to p790 and the only reason why the pro's mostly using p730 are because they want to control the spin better with their distance advantage..people are so used to compare distance with what number on the club their using instead of comparing distance with loft.. 1 of the things i realise people made mistakes is their choice of club after pitching wedge..usually people like to use the combo of 52 56 60 degree wedge but they don't realise that their pitching wedge loft isn't as near as what they think it is..if u're using a game improvement clubs..u will have a problem of gap distance if u're using 52 56 60 degree wedges..so the next time u wanna buy a club..check the loft numbers of your club to pair your wedge combo...

[@clubchampionmedia]

This is an issue we're seeing a lot Craig. I was just talking this morning to a friend of mine who is Director of Instruction at Bay Hill in Florida and he was telling me he's having the same issue. My rule of thumb is never to move loft more than 2 degree's in either direction so you don't compromise the playing characteristics of the club such as the bounce. Your are correct to say that the gentleman you played with would have been better served playing for example 5-AW with the shafts a half inch longer rather than 4-PW at std length. You could certainly look to use a different shaft that produced more spin in testing (differences would likely be minimal as long as you are looking at comparable shafts) but the primary influence to raise the spin will always be loft. I'm seeing lots of 790 / 770 combo sets going on right now, really nice blend. P790's are awesome though and for the player who doesn't necessarily need maximum precision on the angle of decent into the green these are great. My bench mark numbers for angle of decent are 43-45 degrees for a mid handicap golfer and 48-50 degrees for and an elite amateur or professional. Hope this helps Craig.

[@neutrino61]

great recommendation, love your comments, very smart

[@JohnK222inf]

Just got a gcquad. Do you like toe up more than toe down? Think I was 3-5*toe down, standard lie. I have high handle at impact so was wondering, fix swing before adjusting like angle? Where do you like the lie angle max numbers? Right handed, prefer a push draw...Thanks!

[@PZXZP]

Enjoyed your detailed review ! To make the lie angle more upright can it not also be achieved by trimming the shaft shorter

[@clubchampionmedia]

You wouldn't want to alter club length to achieve a lie angle change, as you're introducing swingweight issues as well as potential changes to yardage output.

[@PZXZP]

Scientifically I hear you. Though in my experience of having the shafts trimmed, the changes in swing weight doesn't affect me especially since I cut the longer clubs to the same length & lie anyway. It is a case of it affects me if I know, but it doesn't if I don't know! Can I ask wouldn't it also make sense for people with slower swing speed to use lighter swing weight? If the pros are on D2-4, and the average golfer has say 20% less speed, shouldn't the average golfer therefore use a C weight instead?

[@PSCThrillSeeker]

Question what golf clubs from Taylormade, Callaway, Titleist can have their loft and lie angles changed. I'm assuming most irons that are casted can't have their loft and lie angles changed, correct? thanks

[@a-tg-c1024]

I play 716AP2 and had counterweights in my clubs. On the advice of a fitter, I removed them and noticed that I was a club off in distance. Question is could removal of the counterweights have increased the dynamic loft accounting for the distance loss?

[@trevourmccartney9395]

2 questions. 1) where are you located? Finding a fitter like yourself is very difficult. You knowledge and expertise are top notch mate. 2) for a slicer - I was thinking of ways to close the club and was wondering if you have ever tried or had success with using a low lofted draw driver, say 8 degrees and then increasing loft to 10.5, closing the face even more. Thoughts? Keep up the great work, you are my new favourite channel on KZbin

[@clubchampionmedia]

We are located in Toronto, Canada. No doubt that a more closed face will help your slice. Have you tried the new Callaway Rogue Draw?

[@scottchalk7808]

Why are drivers not adjustable in lie being 6"5 and having a slice would a more upright lie like my irons help mitigate the slice?

[@stephenperrone8694]

I have the same issue. I'm 6'4". I've thought about why average or shorter pro players seem to be more consistent off the tee than taller players. The same driver in the hands of a guy like Ricky Fowler will give him and upright toe, whereas for a taller player the toe will be down. Even the amount of lie angle adjustment on the adjustable drivers may not be enough(1°-2°). Any tall player having trouble with the driver constantly fading, could partially be the excessively flat lie angle. One way to help figure that out is for the tall player to crouch more at address. This brings the toe up. Standing in the natural too tall position puts the toe down for the big guy. One tall player, Keegan Bradley, does just that. Look at him at address, he crouches down. It's not necessarily comfortable, but if the fade starts to disappear by crouching than it could be the lie angle issue. I called one manufacturer and asked if I could get a driver custom built with a 4° upright lie angle. They told me they don't do that and just to use the hozel adjustment which is limited. Needless to say, I didn't buy their club. Another way to increase the lie angle for a tall player would be to get a shaft that is significantly longer than standard. Perhaps 47" vs. The usual 44.5-45". Think about it. If you put the club on the ground, the shaft is obviously now parallel to the playing surface, so the lie angle is huge. Thus the longer the shaft, the further the head is from your body and thus the lie angle comes up. If the tall person could consistently control such a long shaft driver, the ball flight should seriously change, club head speed would go way up and distance off the tee would be very pleasing. Shaft stiffness would probably have to be altered to be stiffer than the standard shaft. I think manufacturers pay more attention to driver fitting for the pro's since there's more at stake, but we deserve the same attention since we have to pay for our equipment.

[@SvingitGolf]

Yesterday I did a follow up after my custom fitting. On course the short irons (8, 9, Pw) went slightly right and the ång irons (5,6,7) went more left with a push draw. From beginning I got fitted for 1 deg flat. After the follow up my short irons is standard lie and my long irons are 2 deg flat. it's 2,5 deg difference between the 7 and 8 iron. Is it common tat players have more flat on the long irons and standard lie on shorter irons? My irons is Mizuno JPX 919 Tour with $-taper 120 stiff shafts.

[@bengreen1262]

Interesting video ~ old ideas debunked ~ ie all the clubs the same dynamic lie ~ the human element plays a roll in fitting and details really make a difference .

[@kentbernard9842]

Can a shaft that is too light, too heavy, ill fit, negatively affect distance, accuracy? 2017, I noticed a 1 club distance loss with both my Mizuno iron sets. Currently playing Mizuno MP59 with KBS Tour 110 Regular shafts. I got them for $200 mint condition. Previously played custom ordered Mizuno MP60 with Dynamic Gold R300 for several years. Noticed ball flight is higher than in previous years, so I blamed the Regular Flex KBS shaft, but the DGsR300 are not much better. April 2019, went for Mizuno fitting with two different fitters, within a three day period. Fitter #1 recommendation (Outdoor fitting): MP18 MMC with Dynamic Gold 120 X100. (Better feel) 15+yds longer my club. Fitter #2 recommendation (Indoor fitting): MP18 MMC with ProjectX LZ 6.5. (Good feel) 15+yds longer than club. These shafts worked but have different profiles: 120g vs 125g, High bend vs Mid Bend, Low launch vs Mid launch, same torque at 1.9, and "stiff" tips according the GolfWRX MPF ratings. The MMC iron are 2* stronger than other MP irons. That would not result in 15+ yards distance. I simply could not hit other test shafts. These shafts enabled me to be more consistent in tempo, distance, and dispersion due to the heavier weight. I want by the MMC iron, but not now. Would it be worth it re-shaft my MP59 iron with DG S300 or X100? The DG120 X100 are too expensive.

[@Jackboy497]

Is there a trend in which way clubs should be adjusted after adding a graphite shaft?

[@bryanaugust9757]

great content guys like always. I have a question, I have been a huge drawer/hooker of the ball for years. When i was fitted by a ping rep he gave me the purple dot. Do you think that is right?

[@mikeb1149]

Ok, so I sole my irons, which are TM Rocketbladez. The toe sticks up off the ground. The club does not lie flat at address. It requires an uncomfortable shaft lift to go vertical enough to have the club lie flat. My iron strikes tend to be 'thin', and off the bottom couple of grooves most of the time. So I need to have the club bent toe down a couple degrees then? That would be flatter, correct?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Sole of an iron doesn't necessarily sit flat on the ground at address. At impact the shaft will usually droop a bit bringing the toe down, and most golfers also have their hands higher at impact vs. address.

[@scottsimpson3551]

Looking forward to shaft replacement video

[@CraigalFun]

Scott Simpson why hasn’t the swing tester purchased already! ? He needs a new set ASAP

[@rogerbrown4135]

I'm right handed and I hit my irons solid other than my long irons. I tend to cut across causing a high fade or a huge cut 50 yards right offline. Playing p790 irons 2degrees up right. Any advice

[@peterrod16]

great content. wish you guys had a facility in the nyc area.

[@angellisojo3743]

I just went back to my club fitter. After a few swing changes he told me that he will not be able to change my lie due to the age of my clubs. I am hitting jpx 825 is tree hat true?

[@giacomo309]

have anyone in San Diego on your level?

[@bigsisterSuzy]

My fitter near me had me send my Ping G20 irons back the the factory for adjustment. Are they too brittle to bend or can you adjust these clubs?

[@clubchampionmedia]

You can adjust them for loft/lie, Ping will be able to adjust them

[@neutrino61]

just to be sure: first the head, then the shaft and grip and lie angle in the end, right?

[@Mjwest23]

I'm curious if the Lie Angle is a large contributor to me pushing my ball right on my misses. I have an in-to-out swing path. And after re-checking my measurements, I have to choke down another .5 - .75" for each iron to be in the proper spot for my wrist-to-ground measurement. Could that be a big factor of leaving the club face too open at times? I know I want to lessen my in-to-out path a bit as well, but need to tackle the face at impact. I haven't tested since re-checking my measurements this morning.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Might be worth seeing what your dynamic lie angle is using something like the GC Quad if you have access Michael. Adjusting the club to be more upright would definitely direct the ball more left for you.

[@Mjwest23]

Would love access to a GC Quad. Can you send me one? ;) So if I do choke up more, it is likely the club would be a little more upright for me, right? Thanks, appreciate the time. I hope in the next few years to journey out to you guys in Toronto.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Correct Michael! You'd be changing the way the club performs dynamically and therefore a lie angle adjustment may be beneficial.

[@Mjwest23]

I'll start with that and see if that helps me with my current set up. For future reference, how far out in advance would I want to schedule a fitting?

[@clubchampionmedia]

A month or two is best at the moment, we've been very fortunate with the positive response on KZbin so the fitting schedule is nice and busy at the studio!

[@iananddani]

Was his miss from his grip being too big? I see a gap in his left hand

[@worstgamerevah]

So for every degree of lie that you are too high, your how many yards off line? In general?

[@kourt2469]

Do you even fit a set that actually follows the standard progression of lie angles from the manufactures or do you end up fitting clubs slightly more upright in the long irons to compensate for toe droop and slightly flatter in the wedges? Just wondering if there’s a trend

[@clubchampionmedia]

Depends on the player, sometimes the manufacturers lie specs work well for a customer, and in other instances adjustments are made. The pattern you mentioned is common, it's also a factor that most people tend to push the long irons more than the short irons so lie angle can help with that.

[@hosoiarchives4858]

Does the lie angle change from address to impact for irons?

[@brunoclauser9280]

hey guys.. is there anything to say about height? Im 5'7'' & my wrist to floor is 31''.. the longer the club, the more upright the club gets (toe up).. id have to force my grip upward in order to get the club 'flat' at full length or grip down to the metal... balls are hitting closer to heal on a left trajectory.. thinking i need to flatten the clubs incrementally..

[@theoerben9920]

Why not change swing/grip instead of lie so that the face is more square to the path?

[@neakzaadhorriat8241]

NEED ADVICE!! What should I do if I naturally draw the ball to the left (sometimes over draw) but I am hitting two degrees toe down. If I put the toe up to remedy it will make the ball go more left. ANY IDEAS?!?

[@23lnp]

You’re probably swinging too much in to out. Try and feel as if your backswing moves out infront of you rather than behind you.

[@blstewart001]

Great video great video

[@bradmaxwell3799]

Does TXG have any fitting facilities in the Southeast United States?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Just in Toronto at that moment Brad!

[@bradmaxwell3799]

Okay, thank you for the quick response!

[@craigheath8644]

Is there a certain age to a club where they cannot be adjusted for loft/lie? I have 2010 callaway big Bertha irons

[@clubchampionmedia]

These would be tough to bend as the irons are hard cast metal plus hosel is so short. However i would definitely say it's doable though if you go to a custom shop with the right equipment.

[@knotthead17]

What about different lie angles for different clubs? Like short irons flat, longer irons a bit upright

[@sactrained527]

When you make changes it would be great to see how that is done...

[@mattdonovan4860]

I feel like I have this issue with my 5 iron, I’m hitting it in the sweet spot but it’s going right. And if I tee it up just a hair it goes farther right. I was custom fit just with a 7 iron. The only few good shots I’ve hit with the 5 have been where the ball is slightly above my feet.

[@jamesstaton9013]

Great Video

[@oneputtdean]

Very educational!

[@jetdr]

Guy has a hell of a strong swing! Even his open face, ball only missed a few yards. Mine would be two fairways over.

[@Barney29508]

I have AP2 712s. I have never been able to get anywhere near 180 yards carry, even when I was in my 30s. The standard lofts aren't that strong on these clubs, certainly not as strong as the some of the latest irons in the Titleist range. So unless you have strengthened the lofts too, it can't be because of this surely?

[@ItaliaJP400]

I'm right handed and my miss is high left I hit a draw, got fitted put me in 2 degrees upright it did nothing but make me miss worse left hitting hooks, so I had them bent 1* flat i hope it helps, my miss is off the toe. I'm lost cause isn't that the opposite of what I technically should be playing (Upright) . Hit balls on a lie board which I despise I think its full of crap getting fitted that way , im frustrated and lost

[@Cupillac]

Can you adjust any clubs lie angle?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Any irons can be adjusted for lie angle, some more than others (forged are more bendable)

[@Midway47]

Love to see this lie angle test on a single plane golfer, perhaps using single length clubs. The set up on single plane is very upright. It may be very telling.

[@bobtaylor205]

Matt gets great results but I'm surprised his efficiency isn't higher. Maybe the lie adjustment will improve smash factor.

[@M40753]

man i would love to come to toronto and get fitted!!! but i live in Hawaii

[@Huntgolfride]

Man, would I love to come to Hawaii and not be fitted but I live near Toronto:)

[@charlesrohl7635]

@@Huntgolfride 😂👍🏌️

[@M40753]

so if you hitting it to the toe, meaning you will go up 1 deg up ? or more?

[@clubchampionmedia]

you could even try 2-3º, just depends on your swing characteristics - best to get on a launch monitor and see what's happening before making that decision though

[@M40753]

Will do thank you so much! will do it this Saturday! i will let you guys know the results

[@M40753]

Thank you guys! will try that for sure!! you guys are the best!!

[@M40753]

Thanks for vid today guys that's exactly what going on with my irons, i am right handed and somehow my ball flight goes right - what should i do?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Try a more upright lie angle at a fitting studio and see how it affects your ball flight

[@M40753]

yes sir, I just called my club fitter and will try it Saturday Thank you so much!! you guys are the best!!!

[@M40753]

I believed that's what the Taylormade fitter told me when i was trying the P790's . was a upright head :) i'm using my old set, (ping anser 2014) tweak it a bit and did help out !! but this time i will get the right head and shaft for sure ! I wish i could fly up to Toronto and get fitted there-- i mean i could:) and visit at the same time for sure Im thinking combo set p 770's /P790's with a Mudos shaft!

[@camcox5526]

When looking at manipulating either an open or closed club face, what would you consider first lie angle or grip size? Which do you guys see is most effective in manipulating ball flight?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Lie angle for sure. Grip size may have a little effect for some people, but none for others. Lie angle changes alter ball flight for sure and it can be quite significant. Check out our most recent iron fit video, it's a really good example of this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqrRl2h6mseCrZo

[@camcox5526]

TXG Tour Experience Golf great iron fitting video! Thanks for the input

[@austinlauer1910]

Cannot believe this video was a year ago

[@johnnypenso9574]

Is it just me or is the graphic of club path, side angle etc. backwards? By that I mean it's showing as if he's right handed and hitting a draw, but he's left handed and hitting a fade instead. His path isn't in to out it's actually out to in. Even the host says his path is in to out and I don't think that's the case given his ball flight.

[@clubchampionmedia]

The graphic of the clubface is backwards for sure, the data itself is correct for the left-handed player though. Bit confusing, unfortunately there was a little setting we missed at the time that switches it to a left-handed club for the graphics.

[@CraigalFun]

Ian this is gold! Why are you not on tour? Not being cheeky but i heard you recommended Scott Gourlay before who ive been too and this stuff is polar opposite! I need to get to Canada ASAP

[@Crazydoc999]

Nailing my irons mostly left of target though I was fitted 2 degrees upright this has me thinking perhaps should go the other way 🤔

[@tonyyu5686]

Are you a left handed or right hander though...

[@Crazydoc999]

@@tonyyu5686 right, keeping my feet more open and moving the ball a little further forward has helped bring it in a bit,I know the feeling of a pull the odd one of those of course happens it's when I flush it and it feels great and goes 10-15 yards left I'm confused about cheers

[@billyw2816]

Hope you changed them 2 flat😎

[@Ethan2217_-]

My god how his swing had changed

[@ernestolupercio3168]

I would love to get fitted here and go thru this 😭😭

[@karlfletcher0]

Hey Aggie's where are you based? Your awesome man.

[@clubchampionmedia]

We are based out of Toronto Ontario

[@ShallowedOutGolf]

Flat takeaway, arm runoff, limited hip rotation and just a little steep. 1.5 upright appears correct!

[@richardserrano5054]

How tall is he