Choosing the Right Bounce on Wedges

[@daverobertocarlos]

I can’t believe how easy you explain complicated things... well, they were complicated!! Amazing video fellas 👏🏻

[@aarondiehl33722]

It would be Interesting to see you hit a set of 5 totally different shots with each wedge for sure. High flop, low check, slight draw, slight fade, and full rip.... just to see the differences if any in workability? Just a thought. ....... whatever you do just keep making the best golf videos on KZbin 🤘

[@ww-oo7ic]

Such a great video. I have loved the evolution of this channel and the depth that it goes. Well done fellas!

[@markshaw6190]

I'd love to see a video that focuses on sole selection for wedges and irons for steep swingers. I think most average golfers tend to be more steep, so a video like that would benefit a lot of us. Nobody has really nailed this topic and you guys do such a good job explaining everything. This would also help us going into our fittings because we'd know what kind of irons and wedges to automatically rule out based on their turf interaction.

[@jairoglyphics]

wow! I'm actually buying new rtx-4' s this weekend. I really needed this video! thank you!

[@jlluthe]

Great video! Best reviews out there. Just the amount of time and detail you guys put into it! It’s amazing

[@bradholomek9493]

Fantastic guys! Happy for the wedge video. One the hardest club to fit. Most of time have to go by feel. Nice to have more information. Looking forward to the grind video.

[@MattPisching]

Looking forward to the video on grinds! I have a K grind that is awesome in soft/medium conditions and switched to the D grind (still high bounce) but can manipulate shots off firm turf a bit better.

[@kygolfer5582]

These are the types of videos that put you guys at the top. Very interesting stuff for sure.

[@stephenadams6959]

Another great video guys. This is one of those areas I struggled to understand. Hearing previously that based on how steep you come into the ball and what the turf conditions were just did make sense previously but the way you guys explained it makes much more sense.

[@hakanwesterdahl9324]

As a Lefty i choose Titleist , not only because they make every loft and bounce for us but also because all different grinds !! I like to open the face with My wedges , for example , even though My 56 SW has 14 dgr of bounce ( great in the bunkers ) the grind gives me the possibility to open the face a lot and hit it high IF neccesary !!! Love it 🏌️🇸🇪👌🙏

[@NomadJoe0323]

Very interesting. I have concluded that I should get a mid bounce because I would that want versatility. Soft, parkland conditions in the summer but plays much firmer when it’s closed for the winter.

[@anderman1970]

Almost a case for having different bounce for summer and winter, although I live in the north west of England, where it rains 99.9% of the time.

[@trxe420]

Wooden man pitches, nice! I have the high toe bent to 62*, so many shots with that club. I also have a 50*, 54* and a 58* + the pitching wedge. People wonder why I carry so many wedges but they have different grinds and bounces. Awesome series!

[@icantthinkofacoolname]

I think it would be really cool if you guys did a video discussing the bounces of different iron sets, how that could potentially play a role in iron selection for a golfer, and how to know if the bounce on your iron set is too high/low. I've been wondering this for awhile and there really is not a lot of info online about it. Thanks for the great content guys!

[@mujarice]

Great video. I'm also looking forward to seeing the flex (soft stepping) video

[@winstonsmith11]

The bunkers at my course have firm sand. That's the number one reason why I play low bounce, 4 degrees on my 60. However, our fairways are quite soft in the spring. I still feel like I can control my low point when it's soft, but it's more critical than it would be with more bounce. Conversely, those sane fairways get quite baked out in the summer months, lending themselves again to less bounce. We all need to decide what's most important, based on our course conditions. For me, low bounce is the answer. If my bunkers were fluffy, I'd consider going in the opposite direction.

[@zacharymilos392]

I wish OEMs would label their wedges by "Effective bounce" instead of some static number. I played an old RAC wedge that was 6* bounce but the sole was extremely wide and played like a much higher bounce club. I was confused for so long why it played differently. GJ boys, this video is $$$.

[@mikecook8059]

Interesting, confirms what I had thought but am not really consistent enough to prove!! Thanks, guys, great job!

[@davidlambert6849]

Love the fact someone finally said wedge degree bounce loft is no longer needed. Mizuno started on the T7 wedge,they changed each bounce,effective bounce and grind for each wedge. So the 47° was different than the 62° even though you could have a 47-10 and a 62-10. Just as example. Don’t know if mizuno offers 10° on a 62. My Miura 2018 tour wedges do same thing. I use 52 and 58. Both say 10° bounce,but the grind and effective bounce is much different between the 2. They play much differently. Which I want since I use my 52 on full shots and my 58 for sand,around the green,rough and full shots. My 58 plays higher bounce than the 10° indicated.

[@thevisionaryelitist]

Cheers boys. With so many variables to consider, choosing your own wedge setup is a real minefield! I'm always lost when it comes to my lob wedge 58/60 deg. I play firm Links course and am generally a bit too steep with half to full shots. but you try playing a fairly low bounce option from the sand and you're margin for error is zero. Play a higher bounce and then those fairway lob shots scare the shit out of me when the leading edge sits proud of the turf 😖 Definitely need to book in with one of the demo days this season and try a few different options.

[@paulp2055]

Guys this was really interesting...I’m a sweeper like Matt and last year I went to a low bounce 58* wedge to use around the green and found it really helped my short game. Great explanation of bounce.

[@Rich--J]

Great video...wish I could afford to come see you for a fitting. Keep up the great information!

[@Anibal_Torres]

Another amazing video guys. Keep up the good work. I’m learning so much about my own clubs on almost every video.

[@jeffgrove1862]

A very good testing ,helped me to book a wedge fitting .

[@danielcohen3159]

Great stuff as usual, gentlemen. I've been trying to find out what the bounce is on my Callaway Apex 19 pitching wedge and approach wedge. They're extremely useful around the greens. The wider sole seems to just slide through turf and I get a lot of great contact, even on tighter lies. I even think that the finish is helping with turf interaction, although that could just be in my head. With more companies offering gap, approach, and sand wedges as a part of an iron set, I would think Callaway would tell you more specs about bounce and grind. Ping does!

[@xtr3mezer0]

So in short, high bounce for softer turf, low bounce for firm turf? Here in Manitoba our turfs are extremely firm.

[@robertlogan6379]

Lived in St Andrews for 10 years and all our comps were on the Old or New. On a links like the Old, need low bounce in the fairways so I had 4 on my 60. However the traps are deep and quite soft sand so I had 14 on my 56.

[@nv00021]

Great work boys..... problem with doing these tests inside (only referring to wedges) is that its impossible to replicate the turf interaction. Nonetheless, love the content and the results were eye-opening. Thanks

[@crashserge1]

I really like you guys, wish you were in the greater Montreal area...

[@scotty_teee4226]

I play 3 different wedge grinds. Like stated in this video, it's good for different conditions and swings that you put on. I have a higher bounce in my gap wedge, mid bounce in my Sand wedge and lower bounce in my lob wedge. The low bouce is great for when I open up my 60°, which is mainly how I use that club and the full bounce is fine with my 52° as I mainly only use for full swings. And then depending on lie and shot I want to play I can use different bounce accordingly. Top notch video again guys, a lot of benefit out of this one 👌👌

[@tonychenh4142]

Thanks guys, this really helpful.

[@kenk4764]

wedge fitting next week @ TXG … this information will be timely.

[@ptf3843]

Well done once again! Your videos are incredibly informative. I live in Paris, France and I am seriously thinking about making the trip to get a full bag fitting in your studios 😅😅😅😅

[@jamesconnor4479]

Been playing low bounce in Louisiana where it rains every other day and the courses dont drain well. Need to get into mid or high after watching this video....especially since i am a digger.

[@joshheiden4332]

great video guys! i'd also love to hear about different grinds and how to choose the correct ones. Im also going to put in a request to come to Minnesota.... in the summer!

[@maamold]

This is the perfect test to do outside on a real course as a part 2.

[@clubchampionmedia]

planning that this summer for sure

[@OpaKnows]

Nice. Perhaps some contact tape/stickers would confirm your thoughts about the low bounce wedges making contact higher up the face. I suppose at this short a pitch, the disparities in distance between the high, mid and low bounces would not be as pronounced.

[@NickPage]

Question.. are your pros swapping Out wedges to match different courses or sticking with their bounce they are used to

[@ayjie6829]

Of course they would, its why they have tour vans

[@JChenEats]

Great stuff guys!

[@ryansones1626]

Your Scottish accent just gives you so much more street cred in these videos.. seriously... thanks for the content!! New subscriber

[@vikrampitre2343]

Thanks guys learnt a lot today ,

[@hakanwesterdahl9324]

I went to a professional clubfitter and was asked , how do you use your wedges ?? And shortgame has allways been a wery strong part of My game so i told him how i wanted them ! So My 60 has 8 dgr bounce , i prefere 6 BUT the M grind makes it perfect ! The 56 was a little more difficult , we went with 14 dgr bounce in the F grind ( its SM6:s ) and even though its a F grind i still Feel wery comfortable to open the face to create the shot that i need !! And practising with a couple of scratch juniors on My club has made me even better from sand 🏌️👌🇸🇪 Keep up the good work guys !!! YOU ARE GREAT , we learn so much . Stay safe 🙏

[@eleson00]

Hitting from a tee would be a good way to show how important ground interaction is for a wedge shoot. Some knowledgeable Pro said that spin comes from hitting the ground and the ball, making solid contact and not allowing the club to move away from the ball at impact. Hitting from a tee exposes the problem with not hitting the ground properly. That also explains why some bounces work better on some surfaces.

[@razorsedge7501]

Just recently went through a full bag fitting, but they never fit for the ball or even much mentioned the bounce, grinds, or gapping on the wedges. The more I watch your videos, the more I wonder how much I lost out on. Even my driver and 3 wood I was fitted for was only 12 yards apart, though I've always been a very good fairway wood player

[@jacobmccain8082]

I play a D grind 12* bounce in my 58 but I know that I'm a digger. I need that bounce. I also have an M grind with 8 for when I play hard conditions.

[@jballoregon]

I would love to see this tested with a 54 or 56 degree wedge at the 80 yard range. I'm always guessing if I should hit my low bounce 60 degree, or hold off a mid bounce 54. My impression is spin loft is better with the 54 versus getting steep on a 60.

[@titog3110]

Awesome video thanks for all the good info 👍👍👍🙂

[@christopherlafreniere7141]

Romo was rocking that hand me down Spieth wedge.

[@thom7272]

Should your gap wedge shaft match your iron set and SW LW match and be the same length Also do you typically bend wedges 1 degree flat Great Content guys keep it up !

[@paulbown3960]

Can’t wait for this one!

[@TZOID08]

I have typically went with Mid-high bounce Sand wedges 10-12 degrees ( 54-56 ) and lower bounce Lob wedges 6-8 degrees ( 58-60 ) . I have found that many JDM ( Japanese Domestic Market ) companies bounce options are opposite of my preference. Is that due to turf conditions typically found in that part of the world? High bounce on tight - hard lies is no fun.

[@erichicks6713]

Just what I needed this fine morning.

[@tnjbrown]

Would love to hear your thoughts on the Ping ES sole grind in the grind video!

[@yadthink]

Love the channel, guys! Thanks! FWIW, my suggestion for reaching a larger audience would be to shorten the running time of videos and make more of them for average golfers. Keep the great content coming!

[@badrelative2573]

can you guys please do an in house review of the apex and apex pro 19? maybe vs the Mizuno JPX 919 and Forged?

[@peterelliott2914]

Brilliant thanks! People keep saying my 56 deg wedge is not a sand wedge. Are they right? It has a very short heel compared to their sand wedges (vokey SM4 )

[@1mtis]

With your gears system are you able to diagnose with the wedges your attack angle? To help narrow down which bounce will be best suited to my swing? And then work from there on which mfg and grind is best? Thanks guys!

[@clubchampionmedia]

We can actually track attack angle using GC Quad already

[@mgasparibc]

Please review the PXG gen 2 drivers, if so when? Thanks.

[@Cpod74]

Is that the Mizuno JPX 919 lob you were using on this one? Why is that the like of Mizuno develop the gap , sand & lob in the specific bounces? 7 for gap, 12 for sand & 10 for lob. And others like Titleist offer so many choices? Player specific!? Also how did you find the mizuno JPX wedge compared to the multitude of specific wedges on the market....thanks in advance

[@mattsheehan5033]

Does the GCQuad allow for club data and face impact data on wedge shots like this? Very interesting video!

[@home4ya]

living in AZ, we have both extrememes depending on course and time of year, is mid bounce just safest bet? or should 54/56 have higher bounce for sand and 60 have lower bounce for flops?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Mid bounce is your safest bet

[@69mjar]

I lose so many strokes from 80 to 100 yards from sticking my wedge in the ground. I take it I need mid to higher bounce? I like Cleveland wedges. Any ideas?

[@mikecausey7778]

You guys are the best thanks!!!!!!!

[@clifflattanzio5267]

How much of a difference does that soft wedge mat make? I find I can hit wedges great all day indoors but tend to take more turf outside. Much more difficult outside. I use Vokey 54/10S and 60/14K.

[@tableshaper4076]

Can you do a slow mo of Mats swing. It doesn't look like there is much lag for the distances hit. Thanks.

[@DJfookid]

I'm a gear head and yet this is so informative it blows my mind.

[@TheBradleyp63]

Great info! Thanks a lot!

[@Ryan-fx7jx]

This is a question I'm very interested in... recently being out of practice, I've been taking pretty decent sized divots on pretty soft turf, pretty decent amount of bounce. I go to start hitting chips and I'm worried as all hell about blading and I don't hit consistent chips. I want low bounce but what happens when I'm playing like an idiot and going really steep? I've hit shots where I've dug to china and some where I've clipped it so perfectly you get a visual definition of 'bruise the grass' on soft turf. It should be noted that I've not been playing due to work and the heat here in Australia so I'm out of practice. When I'm in tune, wedges are the best part of my game.

[@austinlauer1910]

Great guys! Not sure if my comment went through earlier but should take the TXG van down to Myrtle Beach. Easy to get 6-8 there. That'd be an awesome place to do a wedge fit as well!

[@brandoncjgrimes]

Austin Lauer I’d drive down for that!

[@austinlauer1910]

Brandon. I would definitely. Currently in Wyoming but will be back in the Carolinas soon.

[@JC-wu4iw]

Should all the wedges, pitching , 52, 56, 60 have the same length of the shaft?

[@jameswalton2845]

What happens to the bounce if you bend the wedge and de loft it e.g 56 with 14 bounce to 55 does the bounce go up or down??

[@CedricEHan]

Funny a brand like PXG would only have one available bounce for each loft. What's the strategy behind that?

[@paulconanmurray9657]

Is the bounce angle measured in relation to the shaft/hosel line?

[@gggchurch]

Any thoughts on the new MD4 PM Grind wedges from Calloway?

[@JJ-lm4pg]

Is this concept with bounce true for irons as well?

[@thumpergolf6454]

For me I have the same bounce in my 54 & 58 .But my 58 is 2 flat and seem to work better for me in bunkers. Does that make any sense to you

[@Quadfather2016]

What bounce do you suggest for players in the Southeastern US? I have always thought the more bounce, the better.

[@Quadfather2016]

Also, I am a person who takes a divot

[@alexberry3243]

Can’t wait!

[@timbuma3693]

Just had a wedge fitting at a Titleist facility. On good strikes on both grinds I was hitting the m grind 54 6 yards further than the s grind 54. Is there a reason this would happen?

[@timbuma3693]

Obviously not looking for distance but because of that one was better for gapping than the other.

[@L1GHTHECANDLE]

Can bounce make a difference in green side rough??

[@JamesThompson-zl2sk]

You’ll be doing fittings shortly Matt

[@andyseidler5886]

Guys what do you consider mid bounce numbers

[@MHMaximus]

How is this, dont understand...shouldn't the lower strike on the high bounce wedge be even more accentuated on a tight lie producing lower shots with more spin?

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

The Skip, that the Bounce causes off a Firm or Tight Lie, "Lays the Face Back" thus presenting MORE Loft. IF the Skip Doesn't cause a "Bladed Shot" ... 😮

[@MHMaximus]

If I dont remember wrong, Vokey himself says on a KZbin vid that more bounce produces more spin and lower ball strike. Does not make sense that the bounce gives the face more loft. In that case, wouldn't you blade the ball considering the high bounce to begin with? The gear effect of the low face hit would lower the loft, I would think.... Of course, I am no expert, just trying to understand... 🙂

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

@@MHMaximus , It is *the Skip.* Grab a Wedge, Stand on a Carpet and sole the wedge. Move the Grip to the Right (Right Handed Wedge), this "lays the Wedge Back" Increasing Loft without "Opening" the Wedge. Now take a Stance, *while keeping your hands in Address Position,* slide the Wedge Forward and Watch the Face. Again, Loft Added. And Ball comes into Contact Higher in the face. Vokey is talking about Normal Turf, or Rough where the Ball is "Teed Up" slightly. Here the Bounce helps the Ball and Face meet at a lower point in the Face.

[@jpxst180s6]

Can the incorrect bounce give you less spin ??

[@Sp4cetime]

What would you recommend for my local municipal courses, firm almost concrete bunkers and wet spongy fairways?

[@eddieliu1913]

whats yr solutions？ thx

[@Sp4cetime]

@@eddieliu1913 I got fitted on course with Titleist. It was $50 plus cost of wedges. Best money I spent on fitting. I got the same grind for both the 54 and 58 since I'm trying to work on perfecting technique and just varying the loft.

[@craigedga4r]

Great vlog 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 Joe public needs to know if they are diggers or surfers!!! But that can be practice too🙂 I am a surfer and have a set of links 45, 50, 55, 60 with bounces from 1 to 4 std grind - MD Norman Drew Low bounce Then parkland set Cleveland RTX, 50, 55, 60, 64 from 6 to 10 bounce I am looking at a change to Ping Forged Glide due to your vlog on wet ball data - amazing - 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 Wedge fitting is so important ie hand in hand with the ball fitting 💪💪💪👊👊👊🙂🙂🙂

[@Mj-CWO4]

How can you not know what bounce is when you play golf?

[@kylehansen15]

Srixon z forged?

[@allankegler849]

Hi guys, does Nippon have wedge shafts?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Yes they do: nipponshaft.com/product/steel_modus_wedge.php

[@margincall2598]

matt seems like you only "miss" on the left side. is that normal for your game?

[@mangelarsson7774]

Tiger uses 12 and 11 on his 56 and his 60. Bounce is your friend.

[@charlesmelaisis4872]

Does Matt ever thin any

[@Justin-uf9lc]

Isn’t the point here, go with mid so you can be versatile lol?

[@somemass472]

Would have been interesting to make this a single blind experiment, where Matt doesn't know what bounce he's hitting.

[@CraigalFun]

Ian Fraser aka Popeye. #gunshow

[@hakanwesterdahl9324]

OMG Matt could get that performance with a baseballbat 😂😂😂👌🇸🇪

[@NiklasNester]

No grind info? 😪

[@danielcohen3159]

Great stuff as usual, gentlemen. I've been trying to find out what the bounce is on my Callaway Apex 19 pitching wedge and approach wedge. They're extremely useful around the greens. The wider sole seems to just slide through turf and I get a lot of great contact, even on tighter lies. I even think that the finish is helping with turf interaction, although that could just be in my head. With more companies offering gap, approach, and sand wedges as a part of an iron set, I would think Callaway would tell you more specs about bounce and grind. Ping does!