Judaism, Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls

The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls has revolutionized our picture of the early history of Judaism and of the Jewish background of early Christianity. With the completion of the publication of the entire scrolls collection, it is now possible to draw significant conclusions from this treasure trove of ancient documents. This illustrated lecture by Professor Lawrence Schiffman will discuss the discovery of the scrolls, the archaeology of Qumran where the scrolls were unearthed, the nature of the library, and its significance for the study of Judaism, Christianity and their common destiny. [1/2003] [Show ID: 7032]
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[@queenfanpiper6299]

This was one of the most educational lectures I have ever watched. This dude knows his stuff!!!

[@neddyladdy]

Starts at 5:15

[@heribertorivera6519]

Thanks a lot!!! 😉

[@DeNuSCambly]

I could sit and listen to Professor Schiffman for many hours

[@xelakram]

I wish they'd make these wonderful videos with more visual clarity. It's most frustrating to watch a video that is so blurred.

[@flatmoonsociety9933]

It's one of those high-tech Bigfoot cameras

[@xelakram]

@@flatmoonsociety9933 What are those? Are you being serious? Or is this a joke? 🧩 😉

[@nutmegger1957]

It's amazing to ME, that you can get context and content at all, from some of the fragments presented.

[@thomasnaughton1600]

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[@pleromicpastry5445]

He looks like a young Jerry Springer dressed as a Rabbi. :) Thank you for sharing this lecture. On KZbin, there's lots of historical information about the physical scrolls and conservation of them but not a lot about the content. This vid was a nice balance.

[@RAZR_Channel]

At this point I have heard 3 distinct versions of how the scrolls were found. 1. A boy alone finds them in a cave, and the discovery was made. 2. A boy alone finds them in a cave, he brings them to his father and they burn some in their dinner fire before realizing what they are. 3. 2 Men found 1 cave with several jars, all empty except for one that contained 3 scrolls If they can't get the beginning of the story consistent, how can I take anything anyone says about these scrolls seriously?

[@MWcrazyhorse]

It was likely nr.1 then nr.3 two men taking credit and telling a tale of nr.2 because that's what people do. Make stuff up to embelish and have fun with it. What is key is the science. The dating of the material and analysis.

[@saultg5496]

Multiple scrolls where found in different caves

[@derwandereruberdemnebelmee282]

@@saultg5496 Exactly. There isn't just one single cave.

[@phoenixkennedy8363]

Pns p. 189 “bliss awaits those who can possibly make it through the tragedy of what has happened to Christ in the Church.” Ws p. 64 “As I now see it Christianity has perpetuated a shortsighted view of Christ and, consequently, a shortsighted view of the rest of us. Christ’s passage was the revelation of the passage of every human being, and any misreading of him is a misreading of the whole of humanity. Investigating Christ’s human experiences in terms of consciousness or self opens up a whole new dimension of his Truth and revelation, and not only his, but our own and that of the whole of creation.” Rc p. 282 “The mind can find no definitive satisfaction or fulfillment with mere concepts and hearsay. What man is seeking is the living experiential reality of the Truth, his own immediate experience of this truth. Until he does, he will go right on questioning and being dissatisfied. Even if man knew the truth, he could never be fulfilled by merely ‘believing’ it. He is only fulfilled by experientially living it - knowing it firsthand.” Ws p. 107 “To say that Christ’s self or consciousness was eternal gives an entirely different picture and meaning to Christ than if we say his self or consciousness was not eternal…I think the West will come upon its own set of problems when it faces the impermanence of Christ’s self or consciousness, but, at the same time, this will reveal an entirely new dimension of Christ’s revelation - of this I am certain.” Ws p. 156 “But who can understand death and resurrection coming after a life of union and oneness with God? Who can understand the true nature of this death and what the resurrection reveals of Christ’s divine nature? Because of this mystery I regard Christianity as the most difficult and mystical of all religions; Christ is the most unbelievable and unknown Truth there is - and the most difficult of all Truths.” Rc p. 78 “Sometimes the impression is given that Christianity has a monopoly on forgiveness, salvation, savior, eternal life, God’s Spirit, grace, and so on, when, in fact, Christianity took all this straight from Judaism! The revelation of ‘Christ’ had nothing to do with any of this and changed none of it.” Rc p. 83 “Basically, there is no such thing as ‘Christian mysticism’ because Christianity - transformation into Christ - is the essence of mysticism.” Rc p. 140 “To think the anthropomorphic biblical interpretation of God ‘generating’ or ‘begetting’ an Uncreated ‘Son’ could have justified a transition in the Church’s whole understanding of the Trinity and Christ, can only be put down as the most flagrant wrong turn in the entire history of Christianity.” Rc p. 144 “There has to be God (Logos) before there is any incarnation of the Logos - before there is any Christ and before there is the created man Jesus. No question, the Creed must be totally restated, Christians today are not the semi-polytheists of yesterday.” Rc p. 157 “To my knowledge, however, the Greeks never agreed hypostasis meant persona - and indeed it does not. In time, however, in the West at least, hypostasis and person were used as synonymous terms. So due to this error, there occurred another switch from the original hypostasis to person - a monumental wrong turn as regards a true understanding of the Trinity and Christ.” Rc p. 170 “Like the fathers, Christians would be horrified to think they were polytheists or believed in three gods. But this is why the Trinity is kept at a distance, declared a ‘mystery’ incapable of the human mind to grasp. This is also why the Trinity means relatively nothing to the average Christian and plays no part in his spiritual life.” Rc p. 201 “Sometimes we wonder how Western civilization ever became so self-oriented compared to other civilizations that were more oriented to the benefit of everyone over their individual selves. Well, who invented the individual and particular ‘person’ or self, and who gave it ontological priority over everyman’s common human nature? Christianity!” Rc p. 242 “What few people realize, however, is that the official Church or Christian language is totally premised on this use of idioms instead of on the truth of Christ.” Rc p. 248 “No question, the C of P is the most deceiving ruse in all of Christian history a ruse responsible for totally wrong views of Christ, the Trinity and the man Jesus.” Rc p. 249 “Yet the more divine one makes the Logos’ human nature, the more Christ fades from the picture and the more Christianity deteriorates to a Jesus-cult.” Rc p. 257 “But who knows what people think they are praying to or worshiping? We can probably say for certain they are not praying to the dual natures of Christ!” Rc p. 279 “Eliminate the term ‘person’, and how is Christ to be envisioned as a single being? Without theology’s absolute dependence on person as an individual being, its Christologies would go down like a row of dominoes.” Rc p. 291 “this is exactly what the Incarnation is telling us: not only is mankind not that bad, but rather, it is of greatest worth to God.” Rc p. 300 “Even the best of theologians are reluctant to admit any radical existential change in human nature - much less an ontological change. Instead, they assure us everyone will go on just the same - only better, of course.” Rc p. 318 “The day Christianity lost this understanding of deification as the way man is saved, is the day it lost Christ.” Rc p. 323 “That down the road, Christianity was turned into the narrow, naïve and childish view we have today - i.e., only the man Jesus is Christ, only Jesus could ever be eternally one with God - is the inevitable loss of the whole revelation of the Incarnation, and, consequently, of Christ and Christianity…Christianity’s exclusive, boxed-in view of Jesus and Christ, not only aborts man’s spiritual journey, but will be its own undoing - why? Simply because it is not the Truth of ‘Christ’.” Rc p. 335 “To say Christian theology is ‘complicated’ is the understatement of all time. It is an unadulterated mess. It so defies common logic as to require man to forfeit his intellectual integrity in order to ‘believe’.” Rc p. 465 “What is unfortunate, however, is those who write the history of the early development of Christian thought and doctrine, consistently rely on the present-day Aristotelian rendition of it. It could be said this is a deliberate attempt to eliminate any possible ‘Platonic’ understanding of Christ as a universal in order to make Christ solely one particular man - Jesus, of course.” Rc p. 486 “Loss of self is the very foundation of Christianity.” Ecc p. 82 “The primary purpose of my writing, however, was less the subject of no-self than to put into the field of Mystical Theology a whole stage of the spiritual journey presently missing.”

[@psalmtwentyfiveeight]

hello- who or what are these quotes from ?

[@meredithbishop3227]

This professor is great and has a great sense of humor! Thank you this is very informative

[@FeatherRobert]

A brilliant, enlightened scholar but some of Schiffman' s ideas are 'one person' theories. No-one lived 'in the buildings we are about to see'. He also thinks, wrongly, that the Qumranites' origins were Sadducean. He, however, never explains why the huge highly detailed Temple Scrolls never mentions Jerusalem and clearly describes the Great Temple at Akhetaton. Nor does the so-called New Jerusalem Scroll, or Ezekiel mention Jerusalem.

[@GH-kt5fe]

Where are the treasures now. Can't answer that one?

[@bloopblooper490]

@@GH-kt5fe Who cares? They're wasted is all we need to know, further than that, we wait, or find then in ourselves....

[@andalusianguitarist]

I once read from a certain source that the Essenes didn't hold any allegiance to Jerusalem and were linked with other Mystery schools from Egypt. In essence they were Gnostics and did not represent the mainline views of the Rabbinic Judaism of that time period.

[@KingFeraligator]

Email Prof. Shiffman your quibbles. I'm eager to hear his response!

[@johnjones8112]

And he says all scrolls have been published. Simply a lie. Certain scrolls like the complete 1 Enoch scroll were hidden or "sold" and there are zero public records or publishing of the missing passages from the versions we have

[@netbuckler91]

It's not about wanting or not wanting. It's not about enjoying something. It's about the fact that every single things are always have the source or the beginning, as well as the ending.

[@frankwoodford2130]

Absolutely fantastic leacture!

[@jonahlasvegas]

John Marco Allegro was a freethinker who challenged orthodox views on the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Bible and the history of religion.After service in the Royal Navy during World War II, Allegro started to train for the Methodist ministry but transferred to a degree in Oriental Studies at the University of Manchester. In 1953 he was invited to become the first British representative on the international team working on the recently discovered Dead Sea Scrolls in Jordan.

[@FeatherRobert]

Around 1.22 into his lecture Schiffman refers to a 'nutty' but nice person. Lawrence is a fine scholar and a nice person, and I am the nice person he refers to. Unfortunately he badly misquotes me as saying the treasures of the Copper Scroll were brought out from Amarna, at the time of Akhenaton, He doubts Pharaoh Akhenaton had anything to do with the origins of monotheism and I, like Sigmund Freud, and dozens of other scholars, are wrong. What I have said, and it is fully documented in my books - The 'Copper Scroll Decoded' and 'The Mystery of the Copper Scroll of Qumran' is that some of the treasures described in the Copper Scroll were buried at Amarna, Knowledge of their whereabouts came down to the sectarians at Qumran and they copied the details onto the Copper Scrolls. It is patently clear, from other Dead Sea Scrolls, that the Qumranites knew a lot about Akhenaton's capital city. When I explored at Amarna, I noted a number of geographic sites that matched those listed in the Copper Scroll - and as a result was able to locate some of the treasures. Anyone, including Professor Schiffman can easily verify that the so-called New Jerusalem Scroll and Temple Scroll, of the Qumranites, and Ezekiel of the Bible, describe Akhetaton in accurate detail. The city was destroyed around 1320 BCE but archaeological work has revealed many of the features described in the above texts.

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

Robert Feather He said your theory is "nutty". Not you. If you claim you have found some of the treasures written about in the Copper Scroll, then where did you put them?

[@JaGaJG1]

+Robert Feather Freud is my go to source for ancient archaeology as well.

[@jajanesaddictions]

+Robert Feather ego much. I thought he meant that other nutty one, Eisenman./

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

+Robert Feather If you claim you have found some of the treasures written about in the Copper Scroll, then where did you put them? Why cant the rest of us see them?

[@GH-kt5fe]

Is that the sound of crickets.

[@Khirbet]

Dear Eliezer,Just like Schiffman you misquote me. I said l located some of the treasure. There are items in various museums which are easily identified as being Egyptian. Read my books. There is Egyptian writing in the Copper Scroll.

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

+Robert Feather I said, and I quote: "He said your theory is "nutty". Not you. If you claim you have found some of the treasures written about in the Copper Scroll, then where did you put them?" That is not misquoting you. It is not even quoting you. And I correctly quoted Prof. Schiffman, didn't I. Let's try again: If you claim you have found some of the treasures written about in the Copper Scroll, then where are they?

[@4memotivation]

Robert Feather so tell us where it is

[@richarddewitt2072]

The "nonsense" that Schiffman skips over in the Aramaic Apocalypse (1:13:06) is the fulfillment of the messianic prophecy in the gospel of Luke 1:30-35 "Son of the Highest" and "the Son of God," compared to the text of the Aramaic Apocalypse (4Q246 II, 1) "son of God...son of the Most High." As for the the kingdom in Luke 1:33 "and of his kingdom there shall be no end." In the Aramaic Apocalypse (4Q246 II, 5) "His kingdom will be an eternal kingdom." Could it be a "Christianizing" of the DSS when infact the Aramaic Apocalypse was hidden away in cave 4 near the Dead Sea during the time of the writing of the gospel of Luke. From whence does Luke quote the messianic prophecy in the text of the Aramaic Apocalyspe?

[@tonymalone501]

Atwill knows that some readers will find his analysis disorienting. He says, “This book is in no way a criticism of the faith of contemporary Christians. I felt required to present my findings because of the light they shed on the origin and purpose both of anti-Semitism and the moral structure of Western society. Christianity has been the basis for much of humankind’s moral progress. I present this work with great ambivalence.”:Joseph..Atwill

[@geezzerboy]

Larry's awesome, he really knows his stuff. He's a great writer too.

[@ahyaok100]

i only trust objective analysis. too many interpretations from people with an agenda: jews, christians, and even muslims believe it or not since they're trying to backdate islam to the early decedents of abraham. i'm not religious but am fascinated with history and mythology.

[@joebob5528]

OK but how do you decide who is being "Objective" The problem is most people think that only a Secularist is objective.

[@toddmaek5436]

@@joebob5528 most religious people (particularly Abrahmic based) arent.

[@jajanesaddictions]

L.S. cracks me up~ He has more energy than half the teenagers I know. He is a wealth of knowledge, even if it's his own opinion.

[@jajanesaddictions]

+Jay Carlsen I think his back is bothering him, he keeps trying to stretch it. That Beard is heavy.

[@ashercohen387]

I Love and respect Dr. Schiffman. He is one of the most brilliant Jewish Minds of modern day. I would give anything to take his classes.

[@readu100]

1:02min ideas from the Qumran group filtered down to Christians in different ideas and ways in his opinion. As opposed to the idea that Christians were from the Qumran group.

[@JosephGrutt]

I'd hardly call the major religions a problem. At least not Christianity, which drives people to be better then what they are. At least, it does if they're devote. There are a few exteme religions out there.

[@chrissscottt]

Interesting lecture from a good communicator.

[@jenschristiansen9490]

If you are interested in the content of the Dead Sea scrolls, you can skip the first 40 min.

[@tonymalone501]

The essence of Atwill's discovery is that the majority of the key events in the life of Jesus are in fact satirical: each is an elegant literary play on a military battle in which the Jewish armies had been defeated by the Romans. This is an extraordinary claim-but supported by all the necessary evidence..

[@jayholloway7874]

Thanks for Mentioning this ! I am a whistle Blower too !

[@mbahtdavid8529]

Praise YHWH!

[@ArnaGSmith]

Thank you Prof. Schiffman.

[@KristenHallWitness]

Thank you for all this it has been very informative.

[@reidhb1]

I find it amazing how Biblical Scholars ( read self proclaimed experts on textual criticism, and theology ) Like David Strauss of yore, in the course of their disertations flip in and out of Suspension of belief and usually wind up in suspension of belief pointing out the supposed dichotomies arising from such an approach, and concluding that simple belief in the existence of God is absurd and/or ludicrous, and leaving the question of Why the years in study of these tomes begging in the street?

[@barmeyroberts8262]

31 ad earth quake Matthew 27:50-52 "And behold,the veil in the temple was torn from top to the bottom and the earth did quake and the rock's rent."

[@tonykelsi8865]

This guy is talking about the dead Sea scrolls, so guys don't act like snowflakes. This lecture was educational.

[@JGeorge1313]

Not sure it's possible to read it without the filter of romanism, maybe you can clarify that, I'd be interested.

[@jerryowen5053]

Interesting study

[@kfc667]

Bible: books have been MISTRANSLATED, books have been MISINTERPRETED, books have been RE-WRITTEN, books have been TAKEN OUT, books have ADDED, books have been LOST...even ADDED letters, songs & poems the Bible's 10 Commandments originated from the Egyptian Book Of The Dead (42 Declarations of Innocence) & the Babylonian Law Code (Code of Hammurabi). they are also CARVED/ENGRAVED on pyramids walls & tombs 1000's of years BEFORE the INVENTION of your religion recycled Egyptian hymns in the Bible

[@joaquinalonso6525]

I have made a video (part 2 in a series) that examines the prophecies in Ezekiel, Daniel, and Zachariah. They all differ as to who will be the King in the Age to come. The only way to make all three prophecies fit together is to believe that there will be a man who is King and that man will also be God.

[@JosephGrutt]

The thing about numbers is, I can give you them, yet you'll probably still say coincidence. Like the odds of accidently calling your friends dad instead of your friend a week before he passes away, then getting your friend to call his dad just in time for the two to finally make peace. To me, something like that is so completely impossible, only with the hand of God could it actually happen. Through studying history, the bible to history and bilbe to itself (NT vs OT), I feel it's true.

[@pirbird14]

@rahanonu Look for Robert Eisenman's lectures here on KZbin.

[@ChiliMcFly1]

Psa.19:13,14 Keep back your servant also from presumptuous sins, that they may not have dominion over me; then shall I be faultless, and I shall be clear from great transgression. Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable before you O'LORD my Rock and my Redeemer.

[@ac-uk6hs]

Great lecture. Thank you

[@synch1216]

Most of what society would call "good" Christians are the ones who are NOT devout, and this is what more and more people are beginning to realize. Devout means being a Creationist, it means viewing other human beings as damned.

[@VernManson]

Multiple copies of Old Testament books were found, but not one of the Book of Esther. It took a very long time to get them published. One thing was that some of them mention a soon coming horrendous event, but that contradicts every religion tied to the people of the Book. They all are still looking for that yet to happen. That Temple is still gone, but seems to mean nothing to all of those people?

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

Vern Manson The cults that wrote and believed those documents died out a long time ago. No one follows their calendar, no one follows their laws of purity, no one believes in their apocalyptic wars .... except Christians.

[@amixofeverything]

+Eliezer Pennywhistler Christians do not! Christians don't keep dietary laws or even taharat ha'mishpacha.

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

+West Is Best Like Vern Manson, I am talking about the sect that lived in Qumran. Christians DO believe in an upcoming apocalyptic war. Read their scriptures.

[@amixofeverything]

Eliezer Pennywhistler Sorry, I mistook your comment to mean Christians today follow those humrot. I've never read the Christian Bible, only Tanakh, But I am somewhat familiar with Christian dogma, as I have a Greek Orthodox friend.

[@VernManson]

+West Is Best I think that some of the Greek Orthodox do not go along with some futuristic doctrines.

[@mbahtdavid8529]

Praise HaShem! I am so happy to hear that the apostles were not written in the dead sea scroll.

[@SonicSega0964]

What do you mean

[@767s]

The existence of Isaiah 53 in the dead sea scrolls affirms the Messiah many years before Yeshua was born. This is what makes the dead sea scrolls so powerful.

[@SonicSega0964]

What do you mean? Affirms the messiah before Jesus was born?

[@2ndSamuel710]

@serverchief- I know of the "controversy" of Ben Franklin's words yes. Sure would not be the first or last time I read something stupid & wrong on Wikipedia. Regardless- Like Henry Ford Senior's response to another similar controversy as to whether the "Protocols of Learned Elders of Zion" are true & correct or not- they are a perfect map of way things are going.

[@peterhenry939]

My first sentence is accepted fact from innumerable sources. Second sentence comes from Josephus Flavius. Third sentence from Josephus. Fourth sentence - Judas of Galilee's grandson was the leader at Masada. Archeology has found the same Qumran sectarian documents at Masada. Some of the documents at Masada were penned by the same scribe that penned documents at Qumran. 5th sentence- read the Scrolls. 6th sentence from Josephus. 7th sentence see Eisenmann. What do you dispute?

[@lorenholtzer5797]

Amazing and wonderful!

[@Aldous944]

I don't really understand your reference to ownership and Chattel Property in this matter. Can you elucidate? How can the First Born Son be 'owned' or be 'property'? These are human, judicial and legislative terms. How do they become spiritual? Or are you differentiating between religious thinking and all its trappings and the spiritual, which is not mundane by nature?

[@grabthisjoke9797]

u need to research more on egyptian texts. there is indeed mention of 'Israel'. look for example at "Merneptah Stele". (can be viewed in Cairo museum today.) if you are interested, some even identified people in the texts who match with the figuers of Joseph. and more.. btw these figures are approved by the all three religions.

[@bocephusbowdowntome]

Either by happenstance or design, you are exploring the nature of God on KZbin. Now, dig a bit deeper. Go to WestBow Press>bookstore>search>STAY ALERT AND TAKE NOTES. The book is oriented towards teaching and leading Christian small groups. However, it may well lead you an understanding of God that is part of your searching through these videos at all. I am posting under Judaism because the book begins, correctly so, with those who have known God the longest, the Jews.

[@8elionadvancing884]

makes me laugh when atheists tell me that the dead sea scrolls prove Christianity existed before Jesus. Im like Yeah ,,,it was called JUDAISM LOL these are the same people who tell me they have read the bible over and over ,,,hmmm they have read the bible over and over but somehow they missed the fact that everyone in the book is Jewish? lol

[@eniorj.jimenez3641]

As a Christian, I can't but tragically LOL!!! Sad but truth be told, your common Christian is not very bright when it comes to history, philology, and cultural context… even when it is in regards to our own faith!

[@yusuftahir1743]

The "Christian" thing did not come from Paul. Greek was the lingafranca

[@John-nr6gg]

But Christianity evolved from Judaism, with a dash of Hellenistic Mystery thrown in. Would it make you laugh if I told you that Clement Ader's Avion II proves that aircraft existed before the Wright Brothers? The Wright Brothers built on the knowledge of previous "not-quite-capable-enough" flying machines, to produce their Wright Flyer models. Likewise, the earliest Christians built on the "Christ knowledge" of Judaist heretics such as the remote desert Qumran community, who rejected the defeatist attitude of the Temple priests to the Kittim occupiers. That creed was then continued forward, via Paul, to morph into a creed that the likes of Constantine found very useful in holding Rome together. Nature abhors a vacuum; imploding Rome grasped at whatever would save them - and Christianity was it. In fact it was so much "it", that it has survived as a useful mechanism to this day - although Science, since the days of Copernicus and Galileo, has made the Church increasingly cough and splutter in its absolutist "certainties".

[@Aenthel]

John Carter is this akin to saying the predictive accounts of Judaism rang true ?

[@John-nr6gg]

Teth Yes, but only to the ears of the faithful, and to this extent they gave the faithful hope, which is the basis of faith. Once each prophecy was made known to the people, it could not be revoked - after all, it came from God, through the prophet. So each prophecy built on the previous prophecies. It became like a deadly earnest game of Whispers, with each new prophecy adjusting the old to the new conditions. When the Temple priesthood finally surrendered to the unstoppable Roman occupation, "true" Judaism went underground, in the form of an alternative temple in the Wilderness, where new prophecies, on top of old, went on unabated, in the form of Wilderness life-style disciplines, preparations of war against the Romans, and an expectation of imminent salvation from God. One could interpret the events of Jesus' life and mission as a self-fulfilling prophecy - useful more for the fledgling Paul-led Christian community, than for anything that would benefit Israel.

[@armelix73]

Non taken, you are completly right! I was moved by negative emotions, gushing out hateful nonsense. Sorry!!!

[@grabthisjoke9797]

I also have a feeling that somehow are world developed from africa. As for your second point, there are many researches done in Egypt, a LOT of controversy. if u want to know, yeah the name 'Israel' indeed mentioned in the egyptian writings. as for researches, many have different claims what exacly happened, too much controversy in this subject. but it is definitely very intresting.

[@swandike]

@0secretusername0 Thank God, The best invention after the internet. These are priceless knowledge you wont find anywhere.

[@Catherineslove]

you know, i used to think the same way you did.. then my husband said to me, they are written on lamb skin.. it would be kinda hard to change.. look up the actual writings maybe.. that is what i want to do. if we can see the actual written words and not what is on paper.. maybe that will help.

[@mbahtdavid8529]

Rabbi, can you please tell me if it is true that the name of Adonai that was written in capital letters LORD is YHWH? (yod, he, waw, he)? I appreciate you soon reply coz i don't want to be mistaken. Thanks & Shalom!

[@DarmintoJiang]

Very objective speech. 👍👍

[@cathyreddy6297]

Compassion is our saviour!

[@dr.yahkovabyisrael6969]

Archiological ethnicity forensic question: Were the skeletons excavated at Qumran of European or Negroes ? Please no racist comments or reply. This is a very serious question.

[@totalammnesy]

Never heard of any christian religion stating that those scroll are directly related to christianity. Anyhow, all those anciant documents are in the end, the thoughts of the peoples who lived in thoses days. Up to a point where some of them are dairies. Who was born, where, who died and so on. What`s worrying is that theres alwayt a smart guy who seclude himsleft either in a cave or on the top of a mountain, and suddendly you know what? God chose him to chat... We heard that before.

[@MurrayEstes]

Title is perfect. The dead dead dead Dead Sea Scrolls.

[@holeman1]

Thanks for sharing.

[@TheModernHermeticist]

Here's the tl;dr for those who don't care to watch all the way through: The story of the Dead Sea Scrolls did not begin with the discovery of a cave by a Bedouin boy - rather, it began in the 19th century with the discovery of the Cairo Geniza, essentially a garbage dump for Jewish documents containing the name of God. Among the Geniza were found two manuscripts now called “The Damascus Document” (published 1911), which were also found later among Dead Sea Scroll. It was debated at first whether these documents belonged to the Pharisees, Sadducees, or the Essenes (which most scholars still believe wrote the DSS), and this debate carried on until the discovery of the DSS at Qumran. In the late 1940s, Jordanian Bedouin began a search to find where the DSS might have come from, because the cave in which they were first found was clearly not a library, but instead a drop-off site where the scrolls were hidden from the invading Romans during the late 60s CE. The Jordanian government became worried because Bedouins were digging up national treasures and selling them off to various antiquities departments, and so a team was put together of predominantly Christian scholars to work on the scrolls (since Jews were not allowed in Jordan at the time). They laid out all the material into glass plates and determined that among the 12,000 plates of fragments, there were about 900 documents in total. Excavators were then sent to work at Qumran where they found water cisterns, a variety of ritual baths, a defensive tower, an assembly hall, a scriptorium, and a cemetery. What the excavators determined is that this site had been used as a defensive outpost in the Iron Age. The defense towers caused a lot of speculation and ‘one man theories’ - some believed it was indicative of a Roman military structure - but this would raise questions as to why Romans had Jewish ritual baths, buried their corpses with their feet facing Jerusalem, and had collections of Jewish manuscripts hidden in nearby caves. The case was simply that the people who lived at Qumran required a guardhouse. Since the evidence was overwhelming, it was determined that those who inhabited the site were unambiguously Jewish. The chronology for the main part of the site ran from after 150 BCE, on through a destruction layer (probably caused by an earthquake) in 31 BCE, then on to a destruction layer in 68 CE caused by the Romans. Many stone vessels were found at the site, and the widespread use of these objects matched up with the notion among Jews that stone vessels are not subject to ritual impurity. There was also found a room into which a room on the second floor had collapsed, and that second floor room is thought to have been a scriptorium. Schiffman believes the documents found at Qumran were not necessarily written by the people living there, but were certainly copied there. Some text may have been written there, because we have coins in the wreckage which can date this part of the site. The cemeteries at the site of Qumran sparked a major debate as to whether the sect there had been celibate or not. There was a tremendous effort on behalf of Christians which tried to claim the people who wrote the DSS were really Christians, and therefore there was an attempt to interpret the scrolls in light of the New Testament. Since the leaders of the Church were celibate, it was assumed that the sect at Qumran was celibate. The texts of the DSS contain no traces of the New Testament, however, and the document which people tried to pass off as Christian contained five letters, three of which were the Greek word και (‘and’). If this sect was made up of Essenes, then we have a reference in Josephus which claims that there are two types of Essenes: marrying and non-marrying. The ‘Manual of Discipline’/rule of the community did not mention women, but then again, neither does the U.S. constitution. In light of the texts’ instructions to get married and have children, however, Schiffman does not believe the sect was celibate - if anything, they were ‘post-maritally celibate.’ Virtually all of the Hebrew Bible was recovered from the DSS, and on top of this were apocryphal works. These texts were not authored by those at Qumran, and were not even necessarily copied there. Texts just like them were also found at Masada. The Biblical works (e.g. Isaiah Scroll) were re-written in a dialect used by the people of Qumran, but the differences were not so remarkable - the Ten Commandments are still the Ten Commandments. The scrolls of most interest to scholars were those pertaining to the group living at Qumran. These scrolls included religious teachings such as predestination, imagery of a battle between light and darkness, messianic views, and prayers and rituals particular to this specific group of Jews. The next document Schiffman looks at (which was also in the Cairo Geniza) sets forth the idea that after the First Temple was destroyed, most Jews went astray and only the sectarians group led by descendants of Zadok (the first priest of the First Temple) went down the right path. The document gives us a code of Jewish laws concerning the Sabbath, Oaths, testimony, purity and impurity, etc. The texts found at Qumran proved that the documents found in the Cairo Geniza were truly from the same collection. Next, Schiffman looks at the Manual of Discipline which reveals theological details about the sect, such as belief in predestination, and the degrees of initiation into the sect. It was this document which led people to believe the Qumran community were the Essenes described by Josephus and Pliny the Elder, but Schiffman does not think this belief arose from sound reasoning. In 1984, there was a conference of Biblical archaeology with a paper focused on a letter called the MMT/4QMMT which shocked the world and eventually led to the restructuring of the publication team and the publication of all the DSS. The letter was probably written around 152 BCE when Jonathan Maccabee was high priest, and it is a criticism against his interpretation of the law. What had probably happened is that the Maccabees kicked out the Zadokite priests who had been too involved with Hellenistic activity for their liking - there were, however, some pious members of the Zadokite/Sadducee group who left Jerusalem and formed the Dead Sea sect then wrote this letter explaining that the establishment was misled on matters of Jewish law. This view raised serious criticisms against the Essene hypothesis. According to the sectarians, the ‘Teacher of Righteousness’ was the only one with the proper interpretation of Jewish scripture, which was that all the works of the prophets actually pertained to the time of the Qumran sect, not the time of the prophets themselves. Schiffman goes on to descript a number of apocryphal works (such as works pertaining to Enoch, angelology, messianism, etc.). Among these works, one scroll described a spiritual war between the ‘sons of light’ and the ‘sons of darkness’ which some interpreted in a Christian light because of a mention of ‘Yeshua’ - this however, is a reference to the Joshua of the Old Testament, not Jesus Christ. Another text has a reference to a ‘Son of God,’ nevertheless, what it proves is that there were messianic expectations among the Jews, not that Jesus Christ’s coming was being foretold. The ‘Pierced Messiah Text,’ closely associated with the ‘war scroll,’ is part of a set which describes how the leader of the sect will pursue and defeat the leader of the Romans, but that the Romans will also kill the leader of the sect. Some scholars therefore assumed these texts were making reference to Jesus, but according to Schiffman, these scholars didn’t know Hebrew grammar, and they had made a mistake with their translation of personal pronouns. Ultimately, the small number of parallels with the New Testament found in the DSS almost always disregard the context in which such parallels were found. In conclusion, what we have in the DSS is a library of Jewish literature from the Second Temple period, not a collection of prophetic works anticipating the coming of Christ, as so many scholars initially wished it to be.

[@malfabian1690]

+The Modern Hermeticist your mention of the scrolls found in the Cairo geniza archive being very similar to the DSS , indeed lots of Jewish and early christian material is very well preserved in Egyptian tombs and deserts environment , the original 7 scrolls turned up on the open market years after they were originally located , and it is only word of those selling them that places them at Qumran , in the antiquities trade its a well known fact it is and was very very profitable to take anything found in Egypt and offer it for sale as a Jewish artifact found in Palestine if at all possible , and get ten times as much money for it , there is no reliable evidence at all that locates the first 7 scrolls at Qumran , indeed it seems to me that most of the material today called the DSS , are simply artifacts originally found in Egypt , and planted in the caves at Qumran to try and support the Jews claim to the land they planned to steal from Palestinians , if scrolls could survive at Qumran there should be lots more scrolls found in the last 60 years , WHY have almost no others found in the area of Palestine except those found in the 1950s , with scrolls by the millions found in extremely dry region of Egypt , if the Palestinian / Israel environment could preserve scrolls , there should be lots more scrolls survive , it sure looks like the DSS were found actually in Egypt and '' planted '' at Qumran by Zionists or archaeologists seeking funding to pay for their research , sadly the Jews keep on fabricating evidence to try and create evidence to support their delusional ideas and now have absolutely nil credibility in the field of archaeology or ancient or modern history

[@2ndSamuel710]

Mainz 1012, France 1182, Upper Bavaria 1276, England 1290, France 1306 & 1322, Saxony 1349, Hungary 1360, Belgium 1370, Slovakia 1380, France 1394, Austria 1420, Lyons 1420, Cologne 1424, Mainz 1438, Augsburg 1438, Upper Bavaria 1442, Netherlands 1444, Brandenburg 1446, Mainz 1462 & 1483, Warsaw 1483, Spain & Italy 1492, Lithuania 1495, Portugal & Naples 1496, Navarre & Nuremburg 1498, Brandenburg & Prussia 1510, Genoa 1515, Naples 1533. SOME of the 100 times Jews thrown out of countries. Why

[@gardenweed]

"okay first of all i have a question for you atheist. Why would you want to beleive in nothing?" Its not a question of wanting to believe or not wanting to believe. Who wouldn't want to believe that a paradise awaits us all? But wanting something to be true doesn't make it true. So how do you enjoy your eternity of love, knowing that the majority of people who have ever lived will be in an eternity of pain? Isn't this what you choose to believe? Or perhaps you don't want to believe that either?

[@gameteller5000]

Great job at taking verses out of context and not consulting Sahih Bukhari.

[@wichywoo]

@zoltanapril42 i totaly agree men of true religeous belief who respect the fundamental priciples of religion , and i think its fair to say that most religions share a common morral principle of living in peace and harmony . men of true morral compass do not commit attrosoties .

[@phattdaddy2974]

No educational funds were wasted in the audio dept!!

[@sheardsheep8978]

"elsewhere in the country". Nice brush-off of Egypt.

[@grabthisjoke9797]

so to explain my last comment more clear. it's not about who is indiginous, it's about who developed the place. what exacly piece of land worth if no one developed it. so what is your answer to these claims.

[@theonlymeaning]

Brilliant !!!

[@TheBlue190]

i know the guy that was involved with the dead sea scrolls.

[@zthetha]

Why is he shouting? Someone should explain the purpose and function of the microphone to this alleged expert. Is it merely a meaningless coincidence that immediately after Allegro published his thesis on approx 25% of the material, the other 75% was spirited away under the pretext of it being little bitty fragments of no great significance? If it was insignificant scraps why hide it for so long? That does not make sense! If orthodoxy wanted to silence Allegro - which they patently did - the best way to do it would be to give him this load of scrap and let him spend the rest of his life sifting through it to no avail. Clearly there is a very serious threat to the Church and it is reluctant to surrender its power over the minds of the gullible. Any organisation whose head is corrupt will inevitably be corrupt from top to toe.Today, one would have to have one's head firmly buried in the sand to be unaware that Catholicism is rotten through and through.

[@ThW5]

Highly suspect list, Belgium did not exist in 1370, Jews were in 1444 banned from the CITY of Utrecht IN the Netherlands, not from the Netherlands at all, (a rather LIGHT ban, actually, visiting during the day was allowed, and Jews owning , doing bussiness in that city were allowed to live in a village just a few hours distant, comparable to Venice's ghetto, to a degree).

[@gameteller5000]

The Quran actually have a great deal in common. Watch Joshua Evans Islam in the Bible. It shows similarities

[@yolomichael]

In the Dead Sea scrolls we found manuscripts of Isaiah that are were written before 100 B.C. Isaiah says this… The suffering servant is called sinless (53:9), he dies and rises from the dead (53:8-10), and he suffers and dies for the sins of the people (53:4-6). These characteristics are not true of the nation of Israel. The Isaiah Scroll gives us a manuscript that predates the birth of Christ by a century and contains many of the most important messianic prophecies about Jesus.

[@4memotivation]

Michael Smith get lost. That has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

[@cathyreddy6297]

Heaven ruled that area in 1250-1350 Ad! So neat

[@synch1216]

Ure rite-people will continue to fraternize as Christians even tho the religion has been consistently debunked to the point where its now in the intellectual weight-class of HarryPotter. However,as the world becomes more secular-humanist, people's reason for sticking with a religion are more practical: for friends and family instead of actually believing and following the Scripture they are told. We live in a time wherereligion as a whole is being seenfrom a social perspective asa problem.

[@JosephGrutt]

While obviously I can't say you're wrong, I can't say you're right. I'm not sure there's been a major religion like Christianity that's passed away in recent times. My, I personally will continue to live as much like a true Christian as I can and when I have kids, I will teach them to live in the same manner. This is all we who believe in the one true God and savior can do.

[@motorhead6763]

PS there is no new testament fragments in DSS...none

[@radiant111]

motorhead not true I know of 1 quote

[@JosephGrutt]

I for one do not believe anyone has debunked Christianity. I came to my belief in it through my own studies of history and stats. IMO, it is statisticly very likely there is a God and Jesus. But this is just my personal belief.

[@maddhatter2940]

The Jersulem Talmud lives on

[@toddmaek5436]

The talmud??

[@cathyreddy6297]

God our trust! Compassion

[@melkissedec1]

Rev 13:3 The head like wounded of death happens to be the very same beast J.Paul II when Ali Agca shot him down and survived.

[@melkissedec1]

On May 13, 1981.

[@JosephGrutt]

So basicly while I find the statics in favor of God, I won't deny you might look at the same data and come up with your own spin (which I find most Atheist simply try to write it all off as conicidence.) Thus I ended with the "But this is just my personal belief" because it seemed like the safest ender for a topic that could be as volital as a can of gas. I won't lie, I think the odds of there being a God are so great, it's not shocking most people believe in some sort of higher form.

[@CarmineFragione]

While God is described as One in Property and Being, taking in all that there is to have as such estate. God is then also a Living God, and that being forgotten gets everyone into trouble. God is not bound but is limitless, after considering He is One as the Substance of All, to be All, Any, Few or One within that Estate of His Eternal Votive and Elective Grasp of Self. God can be the Father, God can be the Son, God can be the Holy Spirit, because God is Alive and Intelligent to ACT

[@matthewsmolinsky5605]

Schiffman needs to read Eisenman.

[@toddmaek5436]

Why?

[@matthewsmolinsky5605]

@@toddmaek5436 because Eisenman has a better understanding of the Qumran community as it relates to what is now considered 'early Christianity.'

[@grabthisjoke9797]

I'm talking about modern times. it might be possible that in ancient egyptians time, the pride was in Africa. I guess that today it has been shifted. in modern times, you can fairly say that most of the prosperity came from the west.

[@barmeyroberts8262]

Wow he mentions the devine name apparently found with the vowel points Yahovah.Great teaching Iam new to the study but he lines up with what I have learned thus far thanks .

[@grabthisjoke9797]

hmm, I'm not sure how much damage they did. but if you are interested you can look for 'islam and slavery'. i found it pretty interesting.

[@joebob5528]

For anybody interested I highly recommend Ken Johnson (biblefacts.org) he has studied the dead sea scrolls and early church fathers and has some great books. Lots of great information!

[@rilla1983]

@tommy scientist use the same exact words with their suggested theories and I bet that you believe every word they say.

[@barmeyroberts8262]

Mikvah pools found where 3000 souls gladly recieved Simon words were immersed in the name of Yahshua Messiah adding them to the hundred and twenty assembled for the Feast of Weeks (Savuot) aka Pentecost. Before the discovery of these Mikvah pools some protestant theologians questioned the accout of these baptism in the book of Acts of the Jewish Apostles. Citing logistical and impossibility of baptizing 3000 folks in one day.For the greatest teaching on water baptism Michael Roods three part Mikvah series.Peace Isaiah 9:6.

[@jayholloway7874]

STOP LYING FOOL

[@barmeyroberts8262]

It has been proved the pottery was made their in qumran

[@gameteller5000]

Many of the rules/ regulations in the Quran can also be found in the Bible. Humans also reject God. They're is evidence for God you just haven't found it yet.

[@grabthisjoke9797]

well, that is partially correct. that depends how much time has passed though. I never said that any of the religion is correct. everyone is free to believe in whatever he wants, even if it false. as for u question. for jesus, I think that science agree that he indeed existed. Abraham and Joseph is more ancient though.

[@rgibbs421]

Shout outs first, let everyone know where the moneys coming from... Didn't make it it past the introduction.

[@4memotivation]

RG you’ll be sorely missed

[@vgrof2315]

Imagine thinking you should waste your life interpreting 2000 year old scraps of paper generated by a bunch of goofy liars who wasted their lives.

[@synch1216]

You're comparing Apples and uhh... gods. Like I said originally, if there are stats on the subject that you have then please provide them. Or else stop with your confused comparisons.

[@melkissedec1]

Here I AM...Melchizedek The Comforter Holy Spirit doing the soon rapture.

[@readu100]

1:09 when messiah comes, the opposing Jews (to the writers of this text) will be destroyed, then all the other nations. However it also says the opposite, that all nations will worship God. The destruction of the 'bad ' Jews which one can on,y presume is talking about the Pharisees as they had opposing beliefs to the Quram sect is also preached by Jesus in the gospels.

[@MrRebwar1983]

Dead Sea Scrolls prove that Islam is a right path