UK Will Be Very Different At COP Summit This Year

By the end of the year, people are going to have seen a lot of differences to the UK government, both abroad and at home. One is certainly going to be COP 29 this autumn, where Ed Miliband, in charge of net zero policy, will not just be in attendance but leading the UK delegation. This is in stark contrast with the low effort of the Tories towards the issue.
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[@IvanAmbrose]

The relief of finally having a grown up Government is immense.

[@Sjb-on5xt]

They will soon realise that they're not grown up at all.

[@cramster3495]

Thank goodness we have a governing party that actually wants to govern. To fix problems. Address issues. Be sensible. Look after all of us. Breath of fresh air.

[@Notalloldpeople]

Fresh air delivered by ULEZ?

[@ohyeah2816]

Definitely not delivered by trolls, is Russia still paying them to attack the election? Labour one it, trolling isn’t working. Support Labour 👍🏼✌🏼❤️😀

[@michaelfoy]

​​@@Notalloldpeoplepraps Ask Boris de peiffel Johnson, He wanted to introduce it in 1st place......

[@CDeveloper-yr2oe]

@@cramster3495 a party who gained 65% of parliament by only representing 33% of voters?

[@flickthenick]

​@@michaelfoy, it's Alexander B deF etc etc. this originated by Cameron - another dodgy tory...

[@michaellawrence7570]

A glimmer of hope at last for a genuine government

[@michaellawrence7570]

A government with grown up adults.Who want to govern at last

[@Sjb-on5xt]

Govern with a cult ideology to take us back to the dark ages.

[@juliankowalewski908]

It's only been 10 days and I feel a lot safer. No more Tory bollox.

[@peterebel7899]

10 days closer to Farage taking over.

[@LowPlainsDrifter60]

Already10 days in government & no major scandals, they must be doing something wrong. 🙄

[@Gmh6477]

Over 1000 illegals crossed this week after the Rwanda deterrent was binned. ..Labour plans for oil will cost the UK 250,000 jobs in the industry with oil companies relocating overseas (to avoid the windfall tax😂) and Starmer has given top jobs to his party donors and mates I’d say they have made a fair few fck ups already .difference is the press are being kind and not letting the people know.

[@Roy-gi5ul]

Well, they're not tories, if that's what you mean?

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

Towards the end The Tories were going through about one Profumo a month.

[@Sjb-on5xt]

The major scandals are of a different sort. Shutting down drilling licences will have just the same effect.

[@jamessomers8955]

..1000 illegal boats in the last week ..Welsh Labour leader forced to resign over corruption ..Starmer and team using private jets five times in a week..the same private jets they criticized the Tories using.

[@michaellawrence7570]

A Labour government on the world stage is a delight

[@John-du6ec]

Gobby Rainer,such etiquette...

[@michaellawrence7570]

A Labour on the world 🌎 stage is such delightful to see

[@Ant.Gib.]

What a difference it makes when you have grown ups in charge, instead of spoilt children.

[@stewie7338]

Yes just been listening to Ed Miliband on a ukulele singing about climate change, the Dawn Butler rap and replaying David Lammy on Celebrity Mastermind.

[@John-du6ec]

​@@stewie7338lammy loves to take his 2 piece jigsaws with him to show off when he goes abroad to 'delegate" on our behalf. 😅

[@AlemWilliams]

Labour are a joke 🎉

[@bookworm1956]

Do you mean to say, the British government is actually... governing? Rather than organising a closing down sale (everything must go!)... ? Wow. What a novel idea. I approve.

[@davidwarburton-burley9967]

Gradually getting used to having a sensible government

[@philippajoy4300]

Turns out Labour does have a plan...

[@Sjb-on5xt]

Yep, to take the country back to the dark ages.

[@handarokadath1515]

​@@Sjb-on5xtHow is that Sj?

[@Sjb-on5xt]

@@handarokadath1515 Have a close look at countries that don't have reliable access to fossil fuels.

[@Pikaling3408]

We got a party that wants to govern.

[@rishispewcack5745]

We have a party who want to govern for the country and not the party and the donors.

[@peterebel7899]

34% of all votes. 2/3 of the Brits prefer clowns.

[@stewie7338]

@@peterebel7899 Yes at least 2/3rds of Britons know what a man and a woman is as well.

[@peterebel7899]

@@stewie7338 Oh, that's a bummer!

[@stewie7338]

@@peterebel7899 Ooooer.

[@richardh8082]

WHY was it ok for one of our national newspapers to call on the front page for people to vote for Farage to stop Starmer having the mythical 'Supermajority?'

[@michaellawrence7570]

Labour will sort things out not like the useless tories

[@stewie7338]

Hi Michael - the UK became the first G20 nation to halve its emissions 1990-2022. Now I'm not a 'believer' and this in itself is one of the many reasons why i.e. I knew this and I've yet to meet a 'believer' that knew this.

[@allip4226]

Isn’t it great that we now have a government that can represent us abroad without embarrassing us, instead of a bunch of petulant far-right children looking for any excuse to throw a wobbler and go off on nonsensical, xenophobic rants?

[@jonmould2946]

Have you been mk ultrased? They're just the same as the cons.

[@Sjb-on5xt]

Would be great not to have a government bent on driving the UK back to the living standards of caves.

[@Sjb-on5xt]

Yep, be a laughingstock trying to virtue signal for a green agenda, while its economy flatlines. The Chinese, Russians and Indians are laughing all the way to the bank.

[@decimal1815]

Thank you for discussing "the issue that the media avoids like the plague".

[@candidaprout560]

Good evening Phil and all here. Very well done. Bravo 👏👏👏 that such importance is being given to such important policies. People who doesn't care are blind. Have a nice evening 🍀 and all here

[@markjlewis]

It's so good to have grown ups in charge for a change. Hopefully the UK will not be the laughing stock of the World for much longer.

[@normhanson981]

Wonderful. Thanks Labour.

[@mm-yt8sf]

"hey tories, can you stop with the political scandals?" "if the public would stop noticing them they wouldn't be so bothered...not our fault. it's a "them" problem"

[@TheOmegaXicor]

it wouldn't surprise me if one of their ex-ministers actually said that on the record...

[@lokischildren8714]

Irs fantastic too have a fantastic grown up government in charge

[@GiratinaofFury]

Hopefully this government won't be one that flies in on a private jet to attend for all of 30 minutes for photos, and then piss off again before the talks even begin.

[@blauewaffel1469]

Imagine how different the UK would’ve been had Ed Miliband won in 2015

[@Sjb-on5xt]

A lot worse off. The guy is a loon, if he thinks a functioning economy can run on wind.

[@peteglass3496]

​@@Sjb-on5xt hold my beer.

[@blauewaffel1469]

@@Sjb-on5xt I disagree, Ivan

[@Sjb-on5xt]

@@blauewaffel1469 Even Ivan would know it's impossible to run a modern economy on wind. A dunce would know too.

[@blauewaffel1469]

@@Sjb-on5xt you sound like a dunce to me. Why are you glazing oil and gas so hard, mmm?

[@brianferguson7840]

Phil ! Everything Labour do will be different! And better ! Betcha betcha betcha 😂

[@allip4226]

Not a high bar to clear after the bad old days of chaos with the Conservatives, but yes!

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

It would be very difficult to be worse. They've set a very low barre.

[@brianferguson7840]

Don't even think about it @Noel-ji8nm You're not big and you're not funny.

[@michaellawrence7570]

So glad Labour are in power the tories hope will never get back into power.

[@rosiedwards9033]

Lammy is very impressive. I saw him give a talk and then answer questions on Britain's trade at a conference put on by industry bodies in June 2023. He spoke eloquently, and when asked questions by the audience he answered them directly, but also brought out the nuances and complexity in a very easily understood way. I met him on the campaign trail this June and said how impressed I was by the way he answered questions. Isn't that what you're supposed to do? he replied. Yes but so many politicians don't. Nice bloke.

[@MazzaEliLi7406]

Thank you.

[@roderickmain9697]

I wonder if the King will attend? That would be a couple of fingers to the Tories. Still, progress, cooperation and results will be the actual keys.

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

I hear he's very good at listening to plants.

[@markstamp3937]

Given he's going to Australia and Samoa for CHOGM in the autumn and that trip is shorter than planned due to health reasons I doubt it but if he did want to go, I don't think labour would block him

[@michaelfoy]

​Plants....are FAR more INTERESTING and INTELLIGENT than the Low Pondlife He's had to Endure...(yawn) SO far listening to Incompetent, Nut-job Tories......

[@Sjb-on5xt]

It would also be 2 fingers up to the constitutional arrangement that Charles is supposed to adhere to.

[@timonsolus]

It should be the Prince of Wales who attends, not the King. The King must not speak at any event that is remotely political.

[@johnrussell3961]

They will not be going to defend the BP and Shell shareholders , unlike the Tories.

[@SennethLawrence]

I do hope that they'll be changing the system so that Shell don't get a £92M tax rebate on their profits, as happened in 2021.

[@johnrussell3961]

@@SennethLawrence, Hunt admitted that 1bn of GDP created by the energy industry pays less tax than 1bn of GDP created by the rest of the economy.

[@allthingstravel8404]

Absolutely insane .. we have actual politicians working for US .. please let there bw some tangible benefits to peoples lives by 2029 so we keep the clownshow out for good !?

[@twocvbloke]

It's a proper change to see the country being run by experts versus lobbyists who were more interested in their profits versus our country, even kuntsburg got her backside handed to her by Greg Jackson (of Octopus Energy) over the weekend regarding green energy when she tried to push her tory-agenda opinions, when things are run to benefit the nation as a whole, things get better...

[@briandolan2685]

So glad you are not talking about trump I’m sick of it on all news. For ff sake there are more important things happening here than that the media is using it as a distraction also farage is getting too much coverage he’s just a grifter like trump. I hope the people of Clacton are happy now that he has abandoned them. They deserve him

[@igorscot4971]

It is not just about solar and wind farms, but connecting them to the grid, and having enough energy storage to cut electricity prices. Increasing EV charging stations will help boost the number of EV cars sold. Changing the ban on ICE back to 2030 will boost the UK's environmental image.

[@ADifferentBias]

Yes, this is why Labour have moved to approve projects in the South of England. One major problem is most of the supply is in the North, but most of the demand is in the South, and transfer is inefficient. This is already being tackled after just a week.

[@Pikaling3408]

The Government should allow King Charles to make a statement at the COP Summit. He's quite an ambassador with climate issues throughout his life.

[@annettekearney9798]

His environmental footprint is the biggest in the uk! What are you on about? Lots of royal land in exempt for environmental laws.

[@brianferguson7840]

​@annettekearney9798 King Chuckies environmental footprint is bigger than "British Airways" ? "Network Rail" etc. Are you barking ?

[@n00dl3]

I'd be fine with this if, and only if, the statement is simply that he will abdicate and the UK will transition into a republic.

[@Cider4144]

Not my King. He represents no one. The less he says the better.

[@LeafHuntress]

It would be nice, if only to contrast with one of the last conservative* governments(truss i believe) that forbade him to attend an earlier COP summit. * why are they called the conservative party when they don't wish to actually conserve anything, like a habitable planet?

[@thefunpolice]

"And he went at it like a dog with a bone wrapped in sausages." This kind of effortlessly funny English vernacular is why I love Phil Moorhouse uploads.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I would say that renewable energy is cheaper than fossil fuels and present a brilliant industrial opptunity for the global south. Therefore it is paramount to make the renewable option available. Especially as it is much more convenient as it's based on what works best in the area in question, i.e. mountainous hydroelecrltric, volcanic geothermal etc. Rather than fossil fuels which involve import and transport to the location.

[@hologram1211]

But... But.. I thought Labour didn't have a plan.... It's such a refreshing change not to wonder what stupid /harmful thing the government have done this week...

[@johnkenna3366]

Agree with Labour, ban non essential travel unless approved. Labour must change climate and the rich must pay…. Increase energy costs by 15% to pay for it.

[@timonsolus]

Force airlines using British airports to pay fuel duty on aircraft fuel, and provide comfortable, ergonomic seating for all passengers (no more Economy seating, Premium Economy as the new minimum standard). This will increase ticket prices and reduce flights, since the poorer people in the UK won’t be able to afford to fly as often, and put UK budget airlines out of business.

[@ab-ym3bf]

So Starmer going in a private jet to the EC final is a good example of their policy? It is easy to preach about something

[@johnkenna3366]

@@timonsolus LABOUR should have private and safe travel for their MP’s. No private travel for anyone unless approved either inside UK or abroad. Time socialist values to protect the planet are implemented. Agree with Labour movement that all non essential travel be stopped ASAP.

[@JonathanFrost]

A glimmer of hope?

[@stewie7338]

Yes Jonathan - the UK Gov has halved its CO2 emissions. First G20 to do so. Now this is the situation. The Earth's atmosphere is 0.04% CO2 of that 4% is manmade or 0.0016% of that the UK contributes 1% or 0.000016%. That is about 1 part per 8M of our atmosphere. Catastrophic indeed.

[@EamonCoyle]

I thought Cop 26 was the Tory target for the number of officers in the Met !!

[@DW-indeed]

All those folks shouting "but labour will be worse" look a bit bottish in hindsight ...

[@seriousoldman8997]

And they still do.

[@charlesboyle9223]

Nice turn of phrase at 3.18. Made me laugh,cheers!

[@ashroskell]

I really hope that poll is a sign that the British public has soured on, “personality,” politics wholesale? Asking our politicians to, “perform,” for us, like Hollywood stars, or make us laugh, or to even have a noticeable personality at all is just SO NOT what we NEED. I’d settle for dull, boring competence, honesty and hard work, with a watchful eye out for the dirty tricks of the far right.

[@latheofheaven1017]

A bit of a correction, Phil. You say re. climate change policy, "we're at the point in history now where we can't really afford too many more errors or periods of procrastination". We're way past that point. To stop climate change from becoming a huge disruption to societies across the world, we needed to take action 25 years ago that we're still only aiming to do in the near future. If there's no more procrastination and no future Trump administation reversing all environmental policies, and every country gets to net zero in the next twenty years, we'll perhaps avoid total disaster. It will still be awful, but it won't be total collapse. Maybe.

[@cramster3495]

Well pleased

[@VincentPeters-vs2us]

I have been tempted to place a bet with the bookies about snow landing somewhere in the UK on August bank holiday.🤔

[@MattTheSpratt]

Oh! Massively, I agree that it's gonna be a lot better.

[@jonathanwetherell3609]

Fifty years ago I woke up to our reliance on fossil fuels but only in as much as that they are a finite resource. It never occurred to me to think about the carbon being released (sorry grand kids). The world did tinker with energy efficiency but only to save money as cheap oil was ended. The inaction over those 50 years continues. It will continue unless "Green" is cheaper.

[@FrancisFjordCupola]

Imagine if labour had only been fixated on winning elections and not handing over the reigns to the tories. At least Starmer knows how to properly moderate the party.

[@lynnlovattjones4171]

Well if Trump is there....God help.us all.

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

He won't be president until Jan 20 2025.

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

Having grownups in the room, has majorly lowered my cortisol secretion.

[@Luddite-vd2ts]

@Phil Moorhouse Great to hear you talking about green policies! They should be front and centre of Every government policy, without exception. And a focus for your articles? I've voted Lib Dem all my life, with one exception: when John Major turned against unions in support of the right wing of his party. However, this year, I again voted Labour, but tactically and with a heavy heart. I did it, despite De Smog UK revealing that Labour MP, Graham Stringer was a trustee of the disgusting organisation, GWPF and that a Labour shadow minister, Sarah Jones, accepted donations from fossil fuel supporters, while representing Labour on environment matters! For heaven's sake. I hope that you will be able to increase the focus of your reporting on the environment, and put the spotlight onto MP's who succumb to the temptation of fossil fuel industry funding and corrupting influence. After all, as you say, this is not about the foibles of day to day petty sparing. It's about flooding, food shortages, dieing from heat exhaustion, allon a regional scale: our very existence as a species will be affected.

[@TheNobbynoonar]

I’m sure the Chinese government are very happy to hear this wonderful news from the UK.

[@Maltloaflegrande]

4:10 In addition to his many impressive credentials for his given role, we have to remember that with meat production now widely identified as a major contributor to climate change, Ed Milliband's abnormally poor bacon sandwich-eating skills might now actually be working in his favour?

[@bettyswallocks6411]

If the voting public have become enlightened about ULEZ, is now OK to have meaningful conversations about 15-minute cities, please?

[@HomeGrownVeg]

'Should I stay or should I go' by the 'Clash'. This has got to be the backing track for the latest Tory Psyco Drama. Just saying.

[@johnnyfortpants1415]

Eeee Phil, it was with hilarious but sinister timing that just as you said ‘actual experts instead of energy company lobbyists’, lo and behold an ad appeared greenwashing an energy company. Laugh of cry? I can hear you say “you decide mate” deadpan.

[@lucywillis4174]

Will king Charles be allowed to go this year??

[@samanthapatrick4345]

Well I certainly hope their approach will be good reguardless of who wins the US election

[@imck357]

Will starmer target UK tax havens? Nope

[@judithmatthews8460]

How great we have a Foreign secretary who shakes hands with a war criminal who has a warrant from the ICJ . But of course he’s been working hard. Phil is disgraceful on this issue.

[@trident6547]

Alleged war criminal. Innocent until proven guilty in court.

[@helenswan705]

Your optimism and enthusiasm is lovely, but I do not share this view. I know all areas of politics are really = economics. But climate change above all, its all about SHORT TERM, MONEY and thats all around the world, not just here. So many old guys hanging onto power. Rwanda, a 4th term! It never works out for the people, or the land, it always works out for corruption and gain to the (incumbent) leader. Until action is taken, its all just words.

[@samuelmelton8353]

Can't even build a prison

[@LeafHuntress]

The tories you mean? They indeed didn't build any & let the prison population increase, overcrowd & spill over. Labour is just over a week in power, you cannot expect them to have built one in 10 days, when they usually take SIX YEARS to be completed.

[@colin1493]

Yes, not in two weeks anyway.

[@samuelmelton8353]

@@colin1493 I'm sure they'll get round to it - but if they don't, then it'll harm their image.

[@seriousoldman8997]

​@samuelmelton8353 Which , after all, is all that matters...

[@peterebel7899]

USA is by far superior in prisons ....

[@Sjb-on5xt]

Ed Miliband and Net Zero so reminds me of the Emperor's New Clothes.

[@user-lc1wk5dh5h]

It was pointless asking them they wouldn’t answer.

[@JN-om6rw]

Am sure it will be all well choreographed and subject to LOBBY approval

[@beatricecowley4307]

Labour has only been in office for a couple of weeks. They have five whole years to make a mess of everything. Some of us have learned to have no faith in politicians regardless of what flag they fly under. Expect the best but wont surprised if the wheels fall off.

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

Life was much better under the previous Labour government.

[@paulwilson7234]

@@Nickbaldeagle02 yip.

[@paulwilson7234]

@beatricecowley4307 the conservatives have had fourteen years to make a mess of things , it's going to take rather a long time to sort their mess out.

[@kevinjohnson3782]

​@@Nickbaldeagle02Definately!

[@cramster3495]

👍😂

[@cowbanchalam9725]

I don't know what you can do, buti think I'm going to move to your shorts. If you 'hold Labour to account' your channel will rapidly become a 'aren't you ever happy' channel, joining the already full anti-Labour group.

[@johnrussell3961]

Where have such posters come from? They don’t post like Phil’s followers of just a few months back!!

[@CDeveloper-yr2oe]

Are they going to do anything about the 40,000 people, half of which are children?

[@jakubrozycki-iy2oi]

COP is a summit about the environment, not wars

[@FranzBieberkopf]

And the COP meeting won't have Nicola Sturgeon trying to get selfies with any unwary politician

[@trident6547]

Well since most of the renewable energy sources are located in Scotlans it is understandable that a Scottish leader would do that. In 2019 90,1% of Scottish electricity consumption came from renevable sources. That was 53,2% better than the UK average. That year the renewable capacity was increased to 30 TWh of generation. Onshore wind in Scotland is responsible for 51% of the UK´s turnover in onshore wind activities. Scotland has 25% of Europe´s entire offshore windpower resources, 25% of Europe´s tidal energy resources and 10% of its wave energy potential. In 2018 Scotland accounted for 24% of the UK´s renewable energy generation. If/when Scotland finally leaves UK the rest of the Uk will be thrown back far away from the goals set up now.

[@peterebel7899]

So UK is as consistent as the USA is.

[@user-bo1qr1rx1t]

Reading some of these comments on here is making me gringe with embarrasment , Labour on the world stage country like China, Russia, India, America will be laughing out loud.

[@keithroy9217]

Lest we forget, Starmer ran the CPS from 2008-2013, when sub-postmasters were being jailed or bankrupted illegally.

[@mattgs1671]

Was Starmer made aware of the tainted evidence of those prosecutions by either the Post Office or Fujitsu?

[@Chocky-zv7sj]

The Post Office scandal is about hundreds of prosecutions of sub postmasters brought directly by the Post Office, not the Crown Prosecution Service.

[@keithroy9217]

@@mattgs1671 his masters in government knew. And his lawyers should have challenged instead of accepting face value. His team didn’t do their homework. And he was the man in charge. Wilful blindness or poor leadership - his department was largely responsible for a horrendous miscarriage of justice.

[@mattgs1671]

@@keithroy9217 Really!?! Is that why Starmer has never been brought up in any of the reporting of the Post Office scandal?

[@LeafHuntress]

The DPP runs the CPS. The CPS is handed cases from the police service & sees if they can get a conviction in a court of law. All this in under the Home Office, in other words, a Public body. Royal Mail is NOT a public body, it is a PRIVATE COMPANY.(tory privatisations remember) There is this weird quirk in British law that private companies may prosecute their workers themselves!!! They DON'T have to go to the police>CPS>court. They go directly to court. So why you imagine the head of the CPS had anything to do with these cases when even Private Eye hadn't reported on it till near the end of his term & larger media only after he ceased to be the DPP, I really cannot fathom.

[@shawngrinter2747]

COP is a total waste of time now, 29 years too late.

[@abbofun9022]

and your alternative is?

[@paulwilson7234]

Well...... that's that one sorted out.

[@brianferguson7840]

It's never "Too" late.

[@johnrussell3961]

Humanity will not survive this geological era.

[@iscadean6038]

Then it won’t be a geological era. Animals won’t have a name for it.

[@keithperkin-vb8hv]

Anything to say about Labour's position on the genocide in Gaza?

[@Gerhardium]

What "genocide" is this? Collateral damage from a war the government of the Gaza Arabs decided to make hot last year? Israeli Arabs are walking around enjoying more rights than any of their cousins in the Arab world and yet Arab deaths is a war zone are "genocide?" The entire pantomime is simple-minded anti-western progressive theater. Why doesn't the left care about the ongoing genocides of the Uighur, Rohingya, and Darfuri people? Didn't see any student camp outs for them, but then again protesting those events wouldn't be anti-western, would it? Denying the indigeneity of people to the homeland of their ancestors is racism and that is exactly what anti-Zionism is: denying that the Jewish people were displaced by colonizing Roman and Arab settlers and have the same rights to their land as other indigenous people under UNDRIP is anti-Semitism. If the Gaza Arabs want peace then they can take action against Hamas for spending billions on weapons and tunnels for a war they cannot win rather than improving the lives of the people they govern: they leave that to western charities.

[@ADifferentBias]

I don't cover non-existent stories. Want me to talk about Corbyn's support for Genocide in Syria, Ukraine, Darfour and China?

[@FranzBieberkopf]

What does that have to COP? Try better wind-ups in the future.

[@keithperkin-vb8hv]

@@ADifferentBias Feel free to tell us about this but are you honestly denying that a Genocide is taking place in Gaza?

[@rishispewcack5745]

I have something to say on your rank stupidity. But then being a Tory/Reform skidmark is confirmation of stupidity.

[@timrickman8571]

Actually Phil, it partly is the wind farms and photovoltaic panels that have caused electricity prices to be so high.

[@ADifferentBias]

Not even remotely. The Tories are boasting about a new solar project in one of their councils today. They're even happy that they will have to borrow heavily for it, because it will pay for itself.

[@timrickman8571]

@@ADifferentBias That solar project might indeed pay for itself, but it’s the developer that will get paid, not electricity consumers! A short article titled “Debunking the Cheap Renewables Myth” on the davidturver substack account explains (correctly, I hope, because I don’t understand all the details myself) how expensive wind and solar really are. Something I do understand for myself is that the massive intermittency and high resource demand of grid-connected wind or photovoltaic solar mean it certainly isn’t feasible for them to get us anywhere near net zero, and that continuously trying to overcome those issues with unworkable technical fixes would financially ruin us if we were to actually try.

[@peteglass3496]

​@@ADifferentBiasLook at any long run charts of the LCOE costs of each power source and you see wind and solar steadily declining while nuclear and gas inexorably increase. Meanwhile coal power ends in the UK so no longer relevant.

[@timrickman8571]

@@ADifferentBias That solar project might indeed pay for itself, but it’s the developers that will get paid, not electricity consumers! A short article titled “Debunking the Cheap Renewables Myth” on the davidturver substack account explains (correctly, I hope, because I don’t understand all the details myself) how expensive wind and solar really are. Something I do understand for myself is that the massive intermittency and high resource demand of grid-connected wind or photovoltaic solar mean it certainly isn’t feasible for them to get us anywhere near net zero, and that trying to overcome those issues with unworkable technical fixes would financially ruin us if we were to actually try.

[@user-xu5vl5th9n]

Anyone who uses phrases like "climate emergency" or "climate breakdown" are revealing they know nothing about science but a lot about politics. Such terms are useful for a debate with non experts who are scientifically illiterate (e.g Labour party leaders), otherwise not useful.