Ultimate General Gettysburg - Union Let's Play - 01 (Day 1 Morning)

[@mauricedesaxe1745]

This is a GREAT series! I'm completely hooked. Your historical explanation was great; as a geeky historian myself, I enjoyed it. This is why I continue to hold this channel in the highest regard.

[@TortugaPower]

Thanks Jay, I really appreciate that. As thehistoricalgamer pointed out, though, I probably went a little overboard on counting the Confederacy out after this battle. The tide was turned, but it wasn't irreversible until a bit further down the road.

[@mauricedesaxe1745]

TortugaPower I would say you are my favorite youtuber, but of course I'm still waiting for episode six so second place will have to do!:P

[@TortugaPower]

Haha, I know this is all in fun but gosh I really hate leaving an episode on a hook like I did. That's only okay for Rule the Waves ;)

[@tylerjerabek5204]

The battle was NOT over shoes, there was no shoe factory. The battle happened there because 10 roads meet in Gettysburg like a spider web The shoe myth was started by a Confederate General Heth, trying to defend his reputation as Lee specifically said he didn’t want a general engagement yet as the army wasn’t consolidated

[@booschniken3367]

I didn’t know the yanks could freeze time. I never learned about that in history

[@TortugaPower]

It's not well documented. Rebels could do it too.

[@mealston1725]

Thank You for this upload....I've just collected UG-G as well as UG-CW and I find them both very engaging and overall a delight to spend time with.

[@TortugaPower]

I'm still planning to give a full series to UG Civil War at some point, because I love the introduction of the overall campaign, but even Gettysburg is a worthwhile pickup.

[@mealston1725]

UG-G is a good purchase by itself and probably the best bookend for UG-CW as well as a great primer to its successor-

[@firstoffproductions1462]

Lee's army attacked Gettysburg because they thought only a small garrison was protecting the place and they wanted shoes.......

[@TortugaPower]

Who can blame them: I really like shoes too.

[@godlythecheesedealer9945]

I saw the game on Steam and was looking at vids of it thanks for the gameplay!

[@TortugaPower]

It's my pleasure!

[@vinnybellorado3075]

battle starts at 19:22 Thank me later

[@antek2939]

than you

[@ryanalvarado8021]

Thank you my imperialist peasant

[@jakzine540]

Lucky for you I have some experience reading topographical maps in the army! :D So at 31:46 you were mousing over high ground, while at 31:34 PRECISELY you were mousing over low ground. What 31:34 is called is a Saddle, a map feature that is a dip between two hills. Confusing? You betcha!

[@TortugaPower]

Thanks for the explanation. I understand topographical maps, but my problem with this game is that they aren't done correctly. You can see the northern hill has only one contour line which leads up to the peak at ~455, and the bottom hill has three contour lines leading up to ~440 or so. That means that each contour on the map does NOT represent the same step up/down in height. On precise topographical maps, the contour lines should all be at exactly some spacing (usually 10m for small contour lines, and 50m for larger or different-colored contour lines). In this game, however, they are random height jumps, so it's harder for me to make sense of them. Hope that made sense!

[@jakzine540]

Oh I agree completely, it IS crappy. It MIGHT, might, be designed to express not actual Meter/foot distance, but instead levels of actual height advantage based on the incline and height of the area in question. It might be that three lines very close together indicates an arbitrarily defined area of great height difference, regardless of actual height, conferring the same advantages/maluses. I really don't know; maybe they did it for simply artistic reasons or were just lazy :P

[@TortugaPower]

Agreed, I think it was for artistic effect or to help out a bit. The new game (Civil War) has an alternate view which shows height much better, so I'm looking forward to that.

[@FrostRare]

The graphics in this one are somehow so much better than the graphics in the second one

[@DarylTunget]

That's awesome, you're right in my front yard in the game. Thanks for sharing the video preview.

[@catherinetownsend4650]

Question: Is there an option to let the battle simulation play out just as it did in history, or is your only option to try alternative strategies? It would be so instructive to watch the actual tactical combat play out in real time. Thanks!

[@TortugaPower]

Good question. I don't believe so, as in no way to keep things on rails, but you could end up with a historical progression if you happen to meet the right requirements/conditions (whatever those are) at each stage.

[@thehistoricalgamer]

Tourtuga imho the war was not all but over at the end of 1863. 1864 was the decisive year. Starting in 1864 despite the losses Lee suffered at Gettysburg he was able to largely replenish his forces for the Spring campaign in 1864. In 1864 the battle lines were nearly identical to the start of either 1862 or 1863 with no major territorial changes at the start of 1864. Also at the first major battle of 1864 (Battle of the Wilderness) Lee had roughly 65,000 men (he had 75,000 at gettysburg) with other parts of his forces dispersed, so not much less than he had in 1863. It was the Overland Campaign and over 40 days of continuous fighting vs Grant in 1864 that turned the tide in the east. The West was more in favor of the Union in 1864. 1863 could be called the decisive year in the war in the west but the war was not all lost by 1864. Atlanta didn't fall till late in 1864 and the strong Confederate Army of Tennessee or w/e it was called still posed a big enough threat to require W.T. Sherman to maintain an army roughly 100,000 strong to ensure the conquest of Atlanta and the gutting of the heart of the Deep South.

[@TortugaPower]

Yeah, I see your points, that might have been an overstatement while caught up in the recording, or "Recording Brain" as I call missteps on camera. However, I think the argument can still be made because: the back of the North was nearly broken before Gettysburg, and the only real way for the South to win was by draining support for the war. There was almost no way they could have beaten (or outlasted) a determined North. So if you view the war from this perspective, Gettysburg and Vicksburg revitalized the North and made the task of conquest or outlasting the North's sentiments on the war almost an impossibility. That all said, I'd tone down and agree it'd be better to say 1863 "was the turning point" than "the war was all over". Cheers.

[@thehistoricalgamer]

TortugaPower If someone less persistent or skilled than Grant and Sherman ended up in command in the fall of 1864 you could have seen the South win by performing well and demoralizing the north then forcing Lincoln from office, his opponent was running I believe on a negotiated settlement platform.

[@aidangame]

thehistoricalgamer well this is multiple levels of amusing.

[@jasonwalters4119]

Once the West was lost, the CSA knew it couldn't win. The year 1864 was a staunch defensive position for the Confederate forces without any gain, just loss. The western theatre doesn't get much attention, but in 1863 with all the major loses in the west and Gettysburg in the east, the CSA's back was broken and Lee and Davis both knew it.I

[@tylerjerabek5204]

@@jasonwalters4119 the CSA got in to the edge of Washington DC in 1864, Grant had moved units to help slow down them down at the battle of Monocacy The CSA wasn’t trying to win in the traditional sense but to make the Union tired of the fight and to encourage people to vote against Lincoln - who thought he was going to lose reelection in 1864

[@ThisOLmaan]

Been having this game on my WishList for a couple months, contemplating on Picking up. i Do like RTS games, just haven't found one to my liking.

[@TortugaPower]

This game is the predecessor to what I think is a generally better title: Ultimate Admiral Civil War

[@craigcollings5568]

Good win and great game!

[@TortugaPower]

Thanks as always Craig.

[@ChristianNelsonn]

Hey Tortuga, just a friendly suggestion; trim that intro (everything before actual gameplay is an intro) bit in your future videos. 13 full minutes of looking at the same menu and listening to you talk is utterly and mind blowingly dull.

[@TortugaPower]

It's true, I'm aware of this flaw in my recording style. I left an annotation with a link to jump to the gameplay, and I also mentioned in the video to skip to the 10 minute mark for the actual gameplay, do you think those two things are not enough?

[@ChristianNelsonn]

TortugaPower Honestly, I just skipped until the screen changed and then realised there was yet another menu and more explaining so I just closed the video. I wasn't feeling great and it just rubbed me the wrong way I guess. Don't get me wrong I open your videos to listen to from time to time while I do other stuff, like a podcast. But this one I actually was watching and didn't want to go through 15 minutes of menu watching, and since I skipped the video and didn't look at the description, I didn't see the skipping info.

[@TortugaPower]

Fair enough. I also alternate b/w a podcast-style viewing (when I'm doing something else) and actively watching. At 1:05 in the video I mentioned skipping ahead, but that might already have been too late for people like yourself interested in gameplay. For me, the the little quotes and back stories are of great interest, so I include them. I know not everyone will be a fan, but maybe that's what separates a channel like mine from the really good channels (like TheHistoricalGamer, Quill18, etc.). Anyway, I appreciate the polite feedback, even when you were annoyed :)

[@TortugaPower]

Somehow missed your comment until now. Thanks as always Incompetent

[@TheStevenWhiting]

Was fine to me. For someone who isn't an American, we got to hear a bit of the history and if you've never played the game before.

[@Casanovaelrey]

CAVALRY not calvary 😂 other than that, EXCELLENT video!!

[@mark12358]

It seems they move too fast, always at double quick or more. They cover long distances in a while, almost ignoring hills or fatigue. Said that, nice game it seems. Oh, too many pauses, it's a RTS...yup.

[@stevenxia2944]

very impressed about your maneuvre! I let the Dickies take over the Oak Ridge!!!

[@jerodcullers171]

Not 28th Maine, the 20th Maine!

[@aidangame]

To bad I was late to the party I would have REALLY liked to see a Confederate playthrough.

[@Lem0nsquid]

now you need to get ultimate general :Civil war

[@TortugaPower]

Yes, I want to do a series on Civil War as soon as the newest update comes out. I have the game (I even streamed it and I'm sure that replay is available), but I'm having a few issues with AI scaling in the campaign, which may be better addressed after the next patch.

[@AC-kx4zr]

Well, going to rewatch this again later in hopes to try and get a win. Best I've done in the game has been a draw. Ive been nothing but annoyed. Hopefully this will help me out a bit and actually enjoy the game.

[@sredojevicslobodan11]

Congratulations on 2^10 subscribers! ;)

[@TortugaPower]

Thank you! I'm stuck trying to figure out how to celebrate :)

[@sredojevicslobodan11]

I think there was certain formula involved last time ;)

[@TortugaPower]

Haha, touché! 2.45 hours or so of streaming to come, but now to think of what...

[@sredojevicslobodan11]

Well, UG can be interesting, maybe you can stream new title UG Civil War? I suspect you have it already? If not, I definitely recommend picking it up.

[@TortugaPower]

I just got it, but haven't even installed it yet. Otherwise, that's a great idea :)

[@Kyle-qu9vf]

I hope they make a revolutionary war game with this game engine.

[@TortugaPower]

That's actually a fantastic idea. What they have already done (I'm not sure if it's the same engine, actually) is make a very good Civil War game as a follow-up to this.

[@Kyle-qu9vf]

TortugaPower I have my moments :)

[@adferxis]

@@Kyle-qu9vf Well good news!

[@kojo4901]

once again great video please do the both campaings

[@TortugaPower]

I'd like to see how its successor, Civil War, does, and might switch over to that instead. We'll see!

[@CasterMedicus]

Be careful with the Stuart bash for Gettysburg. Stuart was doing what he did a couple of times before and always with Lees agreement. And to make matters worse, Lee got I believe 2 brigades cav left even without Stuart. But those were irregulars and Lee didnt trust them to do recon. So it was ultimately Lees fault not to know about the Union army.

[@TortugaPower]

Thanks, that's an interesting opposing viewpoint, which I didn't know about. The account I know of casts a negative judgment on Stuart, and that's what I relayed here. Always nice to hear more of the full story.

[@janis317]

Its still Stuarts fault; Lee trusted him and he knew it, and he let his wounded pride get in the way of doing his job. Lee dressed him down upon his return for it as well

[@jakzine540]

Also, keep doing videos on this!

[@SerMattzio]

Good game but the unit AI can be pretty annoying. Especially the skirmishers. The confederates usually just charge and they refuse to move away.

[@baconprisons]

personally how a contour map should work is two sided one side blue that's on the same side the up hill and a red on the same side as downhill

[@TortugaPower]

One man's uphill is another man's downhill!

[@mike5177]

I don't think the contour of the height is actually leveled up by the lines. The lines also have a distance between them. Notice back on Oak Ridge at 456 doesn't have that long slope the other hill has. So that's why it seems out of whack. I could be wrong😬

[@TortugaPower]

Yep, I think you're right! Somewhere later in this series I even provide pretty compelling evidence to this effect.

[@mike5177]

TortugaPower Yay! Pretty good for a noob. I got about 20 hours into the game. It's damn hard, but I like that. Never seen such a smart AI. I actually got to about the 5th battle, for a major victory, and for some reason it took me back to the main menu. I guess it wanted more. Anyway, keep up the good videos.

[@scottygdaman]

I really think Lee had lost it. Possible onset of something brought on by exhaustion? Was it Longstreet? Said to Lee they had achieved the goals set by Lee and the confederacy should not think they can beat the union in a prolonged engagement involving mass amounts of troops . The union having much better access to all resources in that area. Lee changed his own plan. Few talk about the battle just after Gettysburg. The battle of Chickamauga was another extremely tragic battle for the south. Many many casualties and great loss of resources. Look into this battle.

[@crackshack2]

Those are contour lines. When you press M.

[@TortugaPower]

Yeah, they are are contour lines, but they don't have an exact elevation associated with them (at least I'm pretty sure). I found it a little confusing.

[@chasemurraychristopherdola7108]

Hey Tortuga what do you mean when you smell the roses

[@TortugaPower]

It's an expression meaning to take your time to explore what's around you as you go, and not be rushed. I think the phrase comes from if you are walking on a trail, you can either try to get to the end of the trail quickly, or you can take your time and stop to look at the flowers on path, smell them, etc.

[@antares4s]

That is absolutely ridiculous having units running a ring around the enemy. It would never happen in the real world. I have even seen retreating units run right through the enemy. This is a major flaw in the game. Units run at the drop of a hat. The game has a strong bias toward the defensive.

[@TortugaPower]

Yeah, I'd even classify it as a "bug" and not a working mechanic, although some argued to the contrary on the forums. But I _think_ they have fixed or made it a lot better in UG Civil War.

[@antares4s]

Yea CW units were pretty stoic. They didn't run like this game would have you believe (except for the 11 Corps), but when a unit like Pettigrew with 2000 men runs from skirmishers then something is very very wrong. The game definitely prefers the defense over the offense even at the lowest level. You can get 2/3 of the way from Herr Ridge to Seminary Ridge and the game will classify it as a crushing defeat.

[@datmanhanullified2238]

Who has this game i want to play online

[@Kimchiboy08]

The manoeuvre response time is bloody frustrating to watch🤦🏽‍♂️🤬grrrr

[@Hsgsobeyj6282]

حلوه

[@mandead]

Please learn to say cavalry, not calvary.

[@TortugaPower]

I have mastered the pronunciation of both!