It looks like the blue PvP set from reputation is no longer on the vendors on the beta. In original TBC it was not in on launch. It is identical to the high warlord set, but this would mean you can't combine the two sets in Phase 1.
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@TheMikkelOLaursen3 жыл бұрын
Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 1:17 Stat weights 2:17 Priority 3:34 Main hand 6:42 Off-hand 10:21 Ranged 11:11 Trinkets 12:54 Head 17:54 Shoulders 18:42 Chest 20:49 Wrists 21:34 Gloves 22:49 Belt 23:34 Legs 24:29 Boots 24:55 Cloak 25:48 Neck 26:42 Rings 27:24 Outro / professions
@svviftghost2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOUUUU
@MS-pw6jx3 жыл бұрын
THANK you bro. Legit 2 videos in a row that I've been searching for.
@elprofesor39313 жыл бұрын
you´ve been on fire lately with all this tbc rogue content ! Keep it up fam, big fan from europe
@lusimmons49822 жыл бұрын
I love... LOVE how you reverse engineered based off Miir. That's beautiful comparison. Played rogue into 2300s S1-3. I approve how you approached this. I'm sure dude swaps incessantly for the comps. I love the synergy of the talent trees. With the right comps and player cohesion you can use off the wall abilities you normally wouldn't.
@ikeeuler62993 жыл бұрын
If you're fairly close to hit cap, then the Silent-Strider Kneepads you have listed in the last tier for boots are going to be better than The Master's Treads. They have the same stealth bonus with better stats minus the hit. Edit: I should mention they're only really better if you're already over around 8-9% hit without the boots.
@AJ-kn6xm3 жыл бұрын
Still not better. Keep the hit that comes on those and slot out hit somewhere else if ur rlly that high on hit
@scottbell3243 жыл бұрын
@@AJ-kn6xm Actually they are way better boots in every way. Don't waste time with master treads at all.
@roxiedfo35703 жыл бұрын
Man, Thanks a lot to take time for those guides. Helps so much! learn a lot
@tetra30003 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it man looks like I got a lot of raiding to do for the great pieces
@Sevfin2 жыл бұрын
Was there ever anything like this for phase 2? Like holyyyy what a giant help this was
@aaron78263 жыл бұрын
thanks mate, your videos are very well done! appreciate it a lot :)
@Mr.H-YT423 жыл бұрын
Good job, love this rogue content. Hey, Algorithm, over here!
@OrreryBandCleveland2 жыл бұрын
Incredible video. Immediate sub.
@nompinif3 жыл бұрын
"Worgen Claw Necklace and Choker of Vile Intent are neck and neck." Hhhheheheh
@amandaspear61483 жыл бұрын
😂🤣😂⛽
@joer62813 жыл бұрын
also can we get a pvp commentary video of how to play hemo spec ? rotation and other tips and tricks? great guides !!!
@YoutubeChannel-ol7zx3 жыл бұрын
Excellent insight thank you
@samseewan48103 жыл бұрын
Is the Assassination 2 set bonus not good? I don't see you recommending it like you do with the Wastewalker set. But I feel like the haste bonus is so valuable as you can have an immediate SnD when opening with a cheap shot without having to waste combo points on SnD.
@TheSkoomaHistorySociety0073 жыл бұрын
Ye i have the same question
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Haste is worse in PvP than in pve because your auto attacks are less powerful. This is due to difference in buffs, hit, talents, and poisons. The set is decent, but I would not value the two set too highly, and would rather go with two items that are individually better. Definitely good while gearing up though
@scottbell3243 жыл бұрын
The haste bonus is actually super helpful, provides burst, and is infinitely better than the wastewalker 2pc. I personally use shoulder and leg.
@MrStealYourScalp2 жыл бұрын
Hey Zatar! Great vid. Super usefull! 1 question doe, what about Main hand dagger for Ambush and Backstab? Do rogues just notambush in TBC pvp? Cheers
@Zatar2 жыл бұрын
You can ambush for fun in some situations, but you mainly use other weapons in arena. If you are going to ambush, just the hardest hitting slow dagger you can get would work.
@MrStealYourScalp2 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar allright cheers mate💪🏻 thank you so much for these vids man
@lusimmons49822 жыл бұрын
Skull of ID is goat status item. It's still BiS. From 39 on up.
@steveng96633 жыл бұрын
Love your vids. really helping me out with PVP. Only question I have is why the Silent-Strider Kneeboots are so low on the list with better stats than the treads and also +1 stealth level. Are the treads needed for the hit rating since the gladiator gear doesn't provide hit rating? Currently, I have the treads equipped. If I am above the hit % needed for pvp, should I use the striders (just got them to drop) until I get gladiator gear and then swap back when the hit is needed? Huge fan from a WoW noob.
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
You can use the long boots if you have too much hit already.
@PalmBee3 жыл бұрын
TY FOR THE GUIDE! :D
@theux65253 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! :)
@ryanhenderson65293 жыл бұрын
Thank you!! I'll be using this guide immensely. Bummer all the BIS rings come from PVE tho.
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Honor ring is not too far behind, but yeah worse than those 4 raid options.
@Skeldaa3 жыл бұрын
some of your info is missleading, you cant buy pvp reputation set on launch, it was added as catchup mechanic later in the game..
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
That is how I expected it to be released, but it was on the beta to purchase right away. Now I can't find the items on the vendor anymore. It was available previously and they even gave it out for testing. Wowhead also lists it being Phase 1. Thanks for the heads up though, I will pin a message.
@Skeldaa3 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar yes they were on vendors for like 1 day on beta launch
@user-hb6ju4zg4m3 жыл бұрын
Great video
@stefanfekeci82883 жыл бұрын
why are the silent-strider kneeboots so low on the list? master tread's are better sure, but if you don't need the hit silent-strider is actually even better. that's a big if sure but I'd think they would be better than mediocre
@scottbell3243 жыл бұрын
TBH silent strider is BIS s1 idk wtf this dude is talking bout. You don't need that much hit in pvp and silent strider is way better itemized. You are absolutely right. Honestly I'm not sure why anything other than those two items is on the list bc in my opinion they are the only two options.
@jimdelsol19413 жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@Paradise3853 жыл бұрын
So the blue PvP Gear Set is crap? Edit : You maybe have a non Epic BIS List for PvP Rogue ?
@philjackson_powerlifting3 жыл бұрын
Very nice and informative, i have a question where do i obtain the generals Leather Belt and Bracers ?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Honor vendor, PvP reward
@IAmBackMan3 жыл бұрын
What about Hyper-Vision Goggles?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
I need to test them. I might do a video eventually on some of the gadgets or maybe specifically just stealth detection and stealth skill stuff.
@frankrossi35243 жыл бұрын
The BG gear like the Gladiators Leather Bracers are available as soon as we ding 70 or when season 1 starts? I'm trying to decide if I want to spend the honor I have on a level 60 rank 14 wep, or just save it to use at level 70
@BiwwieL3 жыл бұрын
all the lvl 70 honour/mark gear is available on day 1
@Horcsogg3 жыл бұрын
U making a guide for p2 soon?
@terrynicholas74553 жыл бұрын
so im assuming daggers for tbc is a no go?
@scottbell3243 жыл бұрын
yeah daggs bad for pvp and pve
@ThatGreekArchitect3 жыл бұрын
I got latros and i recently got Feltooth, what should i go for as my main one? Any suggestions? :)
@gabewilson70593 жыл бұрын
once shadowpanther gets his tbc set up on his site
@seanperson813 жыл бұрын
um how does he have the jewelcrafting trinket, the BS drakefist hammer annnnnd plus 4 to rings??? umm how?
@Daptag933 жыл бұрын
Why attack power gems instead of agility one's?
@codyslone92583 жыл бұрын
I think flat attack power is just better
@Daptag933 жыл бұрын
@@codyslone9258 reasoning?
@Glazeman3 жыл бұрын
@@Daptag93 Subtlety Rouges always build off AP rather than agility
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
With no kings, ap is better for dmg for s1
@Daptag933 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar Will you do a video for later seasons, to specify these kind of details? :)
@yvngsavage82493 жыл бұрын
dragonmaw is bis but u can only get it at p2.. and ur gonna need to get nether vortexes. dragonstrike is available in p1 but is just as good as spiteblade.
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
You have the names flipped. Dragonstrike is Phase 2.
@frankrossi35243 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure it's 100% fair to rank the BIS weapon slot by top end damage. They all also have lower low end damage. So for every time you hit relatively hard hemo because of the high top end, you will also experience a time where you hit a relatively weak hemo, because of the lower low end? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like any of the Arena weapons (sword, mace, or fist), are pretty equal in power?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
@Frank Rossi the overall rankings were done to include the DPS of the weapon, avg weapon damage and obviously stats and procs. Top end did not factor in to the ranking. High top end is just a way of saying the item has high weapon damage because it is slow. If you average out the weapon damage, Dragonmaw has higher average weapon damage than the gladiator weapons as well.
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
I don't disagree with you though, gladiator weapons are definitely very close to the level of dragonmaw.
@frankrossi35243 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar I see, thanks for the reply. Is the average weapon damage of the gladiator first/mace/sword all equal to one another? And the Dragonmaw is a tier above them? Or does is the average damage of the arena fist weapon really higher than that of the sword? I thought the average weapon damage was pretty much just represented by it's DPS
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Average damage is relative to (bottom end + top end) / 2 But is always based on dps * speed as well.
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
The fist has a wider spread, but does same avg dmg as other glad weapons.
@codychristophernickolai58883 жыл бұрын
Will the Reputation pvp gear in the game on launch? I remember IT being s3 or s4
@cs58753 жыл бұрын
What about the engi goggles, arent they bis for rogues ?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Not out until phase 2
@gougepotato27393 жыл бұрын
When combined with the Ruthlessness(Made better with relentless attacks) talent in the assassination tree.. deadly throw becomes spammable and a casters least favorite thing about TBC ;)
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
It does not trigger on deadly throw. Must have been patched for that reason at some point.
@tensecfd3s3 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar who, wait what? it used to...unless it's another crazy false memory as I appear to continually have regarding wow lol...
@Manzzyo3 жыл бұрын
@@tensecfd3s that effect got nerfed during TBC. First it could chain procc, then after nerf you wouldnt get cp after dt anymore.
@brodomoneymaker27073 жыл бұрын
hit cap is 5%, so it is only because some PvE gear is super strong and has Hit rating on it, or because you kinda want 9-10% hit cos mage winter chill 5% hit reduction?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Mages can't fit 5 points into that talent if there go imp CS. 7% is nice though
@doomzx82843 жыл бұрын
I wish there was a video like this for warriors...you legit can't even find anyone talking about Deep-thunder in depth on the entire youtube...such a shame since almost all warriors who pvp want that... -.- if anyone think im wrong, link me the video where deep-thunder is talked in depth like he did here for the rogue weapons...Thanks in advance
@davidwells58883 жыл бұрын
theres not much to say? warriors go full pvp resil gear + skill herald
@doomzx82843 жыл бұрын
@@davidwells5888 I'm talking about in depth weapon guide/explanation. Read my comment again...Its easy to say "just get stuff". I knew that without content creators...i watch them for more in depth insights obviously...
@InzaneCat3 жыл бұрын
Can't find Opportunist's leather set, this is added in a later phase maybe?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Correct
@frostiproclamation3 жыл бұрын
I'm not really great at PVP is there a resource that somebody can link me to kind of help me out with that because I'm getting frustrated and I don't want to just transfer servers because I'm not good at it because I can get good I just don't know of any resources
@Mukz7253 жыл бұрын
heyo im a new player looking to get a good pvp build for my rogue do you have anything that lets me know where to put talents and stuff
@kingheenokgaming47833 жыл бұрын
Searing sunblade is BiS for rogue, I don't know how you don't know this (you even said the reason with attack speed and energy cost.. weird). It is not a great tier weapon at all, it's the big D weapon. There is no opportunist set in phase 1, it's a catchup mechanic for next phase. For gladiator piece, you need 4 + legs from kara (don't get primalstrike it's the worst thing ever... keep your profession slot for real upgrade). Great overview overall but dont take this video for cash.
@jacobyoung69432 жыл бұрын
would you go agi enchant on sunblade ?
@kingheenokgaming47832 жыл бұрын
@@jacobyoung6943 mongoose enchant
@Magetastic693 жыл бұрын
What do you think of Blackout Truncheon for offhand? 1.5 speed 2 sockets + 132 haste proc. I've been using it combined with Bladefist + assassin 2 set.
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
I think maces in off-hands are not very good. An oh sword adds way more dmg.
@Magetastic693 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar what? Why would sword add more damage?? Thought it was just preference. It's 1.5 speed and haste proc for more MH auto dmg.
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
A fast offhand sword with sword spec can net you a bunch of extra main hand swings. Mace spec for the oh only slightly increases in dmg. All for pve of course
@Magetastic693 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar oh i'm specifically talking about pvp since that's the topic of the video. Yeah sword spec in pve much better ofc. I appreciate the replies.
@scottbell3243 жыл бұрын
It's good. None of the replies to your question are good though. The mace is way better than any sword you could use except MAYBE latro's and the blue/purple pvp swords.
@vendaswow3 жыл бұрын
for main hand is good the night blade? Is a dagger but idk if is good for that
@scottbell3243 жыл бұрын
no all dagger bad
@no__name37473 жыл бұрын
what gear should I go for while lvling/just hit 70 to be able to do well in arena??
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
You can click the items on the page I the description and it will take you to wowhead. You can go for items that are really easy to get.
@AdamRives2 жыл бұрын
Phase 2 guide when?
@RIGHTEOUSFINN53 жыл бұрын
It seems like these weapons and items are focused towards combat and assassin spec?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Hemo shadowstep subtlety is the primary spec this gear is for.
@shjelde6603 жыл бұрын
@Zatar can you maybe cover a possible dagger sub build with Shadowstep? even if it isnt the best, it should be very fun in bgs to oneshot ppl with ambush + backstap. how would you go about making such a build? would you swap to a slow MH sword after the ambush and backstab and swing with meaty Hemo? Can it be good in arena too? or just viable? I really am going for daggers on my rogue, would love to see ur opinion on a build covering daggers
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
I actually think daggers could be the best spec in Battlegrounds. In arena it can be tough to get behind the target, and you will generate much less combo points than hemo.
@krazy-kavman593 жыл бұрын
How come I always here people say they switch between the wound and crippling. But never that they switch to deadly poison instant vs a target with no trinket . If you have no blind then you might as well for the extra damage vs plates
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
If the plate wearer is getting healed, wound is better. Using deadly is risky, because you can't gouge, sap, blind (you mentioned it), and your teammate is unable to use some CC as well, for example, polymorph.
@krazy-kavman593 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar yeah I see, I wouldn't think it to be as viable in arenas where cc is so important. But in a 1v1 situation and occasionally in bgs I think you can get away with it. I always run wound on my main hand and switch between crippling and instant vs most classes. I still need another weapon to do a 3rd posion!(edit: Opening with deadly when you use your bleed opener is ideal I believe. Considering the target can't heal like you said, if they can wound is still more valuable)
@krazy-kavman593 жыл бұрын
Basically I'm thinking two offhands one with crippling another with instant, and two main hands one with wounds and one with deadly
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Warriors heal with second wind. That's the most prevalent plate class
@krazy-kavman593 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar yeah I learned not to stun them as much but I still struggle with em . I'm on a server where people have s4 gear. And I'm mostly s2 and have 3 s3 peice
@thepratter3 жыл бұрын
How's renetaki's as a pvp trinket? That extra 60 energy burst seems pretty nice.
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Nerfed in tbc to 20 energy at 70
@thepratter3 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar Oof. I had hopes they'd just gloss over that one. Say in an alternate universe it wasn't nerfed, do you think it'd see usage?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
It's broken if not nerfed
@styhl80233 жыл бұрын
thoughts on Assassination 2 set bonus for pre-raid/pre-arena gear?
@AJ-kn6xm3 жыл бұрын
Plz replyyyy! 2 set 2 set or 4 piece high warlord?
@aaron78263 жыл бұрын
hey bro, can i check why deathblow X11 was not included, where does it sit in the gearing tier for helm?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
They would be bis, but they are not out yet. Blizz said phase 2 I believe.
@aaron78263 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar ah I see! cool bro thank you!
@Tiryz543 жыл бұрын
Can u buy the s1 pvp epic days 1 or it will be relase later
@XNarutoXbleach3 жыл бұрын
So engineering for the goggles with increased stealth detection isnt worth?
@eybobo3 жыл бұрын
Can’t use first phase
@XNarutoXbleach3 жыл бұрын
@@eybobo the blue quality ones?
@FingerBoardMystery3 жыл бұрын
no daggers needed as main hand? what about ambush? im confused
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
The typical PVP spec will not ambush
@adrianhellstrom29273 жыл бұрын
doing phase 2 bis list?
@marcusrudd66753 жыл бұрын
No dagger love? Is mainhand dagger in pvp not viable?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Might do a dagger specific video, but hemo is much better in arena. Daggers can be fun though.
@Troldy3 жыл бұрын
Can you drop blacksmith after the weapon is made?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Requires BS to use
@nintendonchill3 жыл бұрын
Should I go engineering or JC for arena?
@frankrossi35243 жыл бұрын
JC for season one since goggles aren't until p2. Blacksmith/JC is bis for season 1
@FeedinGG6663 жыл бұрын
Hang on... No Dagger in main Hand soo no Ambush then?
@frederikvansteenkiste91133 жыл бұрын
You can make a macro to equip your dagger from your bags when you press backstab/ambush. And then switch back to you sword when you press hemo etc
@hanswest47273 жыл бұрын
What is pre-arena BIS for PvP tho?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
That would include a bunch of Raiding gear, using honor to fill in slots you have not gotten from raid yet.
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
That would include a bunch of Raiding gear, using honor to fill in slots you have not gotten from raid yet.
@joer62813 жыл бұрын
is this only for phase 1?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@gurtner93 жыл бұрын
Ranged weapon should be s1 not the brutal (season 4) one 😄
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Ty
@Maxo_metr3 жыл бұрын
so bis profs are ...?
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
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@felipeignaciovenegasgutier51533 жыл бұрын
tienes los talentos' ? XD
@TheBLahhQ3 жыл бұрын
The neck and the ring slot are not best in slot neither are the boots and head slot and u can't aswell have dragonstrike main hand with jc trinket and rings enchanted with 4+ stats this guide is just bullshit lmao
@Zatar3 жыл бұрын
Think Mir just wanted to show what ring enchants you would use if you were enchanting.
@TheBLahhQ3 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar ye but there is no real bis slot item in arena you sure can minmax it but it all comes down to the playstyle comp and racials u run most of times and specialy in season one where n1 has resili gear u can legit run ambush oneshot spec with a pyro mage both ap and sp pumped and reach maxx rating season 3 is the one were things rly matter in my opinion but yeah credits to u @zatar for trying to explain newbies what to do