Rogue Profession Guide in TBC

[@Zatar]

I will be going Engineering and Jewelcrafting for PVP. What are you guys going for?

[@ambrose_8]

Same. Thinking of buying the mats for 0-300 JC and getting a gathering profession just for 60-70 tho and then relevel JC

[@joness889]

Engi JC for sure leave the Nether vortex getting for my orc warrior to go Mining/BS Engi helm plus the increased stealth from the JC trinket and the stun metagem to stack on the orc to bring back back some of that lost resist? Done deal great video subscribed.

[@dani08sv]

Im going mining bs for pvp and pve, i dont know how are you leveling 2 crating professions, maybe u have an alt for mining, or u are rich to buy the entire 0-375 mats.

[@Ithrial420]

@@dani08sv haven't done it on classical TDC yet but I'll talk about.my wrath use rogue is engi jc. I started engi mining maxxed engi then found a list of what id need to 1-450 jc then i mine that up drop mining take jc and your golden

[@Worldofgamerkools89]

JC/Engi is BiS for WotLK anyways. So prob doing the same.

[@senseiinaertia1416]

Phase1: Mining for some steady income with stealth runs and Jewelcrafting: for PvP. Phase2: Switching Mining to Engineering for PvP. Nice content Zatar , good job!

[@MrDefr0st]

big brain

[@arturobracero3450]

I just wanted to thank you for making such great content! Every day I log in to youtube I see you uploaded a new video that's super interesting going into TBC!

[@frankrossi3524]

My plan is to go BS/mining at the start of the expansion to guarantee myself an early good weapon to start the arena season. I don't really plan on joining a raiding guild, I might do kara a handful of times but that's probably it. I'll farm ore on my way to 375 for the mace, once I have the mace and all the ore for JC, I will drop mining for JC. Hopefully that results in me opening the arena season with dragonstrike/dragonmaw, and the JC trinket. Once I get the rating required for the weapon, I will drop blacksmithing and level engineering for the googles in season 2. But I think there is good value in the fact that you can also spend early arena points on other pieces instead of having to horde weeks of points for the weapon

[@eddie4691]

@Frank Rossi i have the same plan bro, only problem is farm mats for later Engi without having mining...

[@poisongrob5800]

@@eddie4691 use this time now to farm all the mats you need to get to 1-300 engineering and mail them to a bank alt. Before you drop mining make sure you have enough mats for BS and Engineering already mailed to another alt. The easiest thing you can do is level a second toon with BS and Herb. You can make passive income on it while you play and keep your main stocked up on what you need

[@frankrossi3524]

@@eddie4691 yea this is a problem I also identified. Thankfully though I also have a 60 mage with mining I can take into BC. But that's not an option for everyone. There will hopefully be other means of making money in p2 for you

[@sinfonia11]

thank you for the content. as a returning player who played TBC retail but hadn't played Vanilla classic - i was feeling sooooo unsure of what to do.

[@Sjady]

It's awesome seeing you putting up the kind of quality content I first came to this channel for :) Keep it up man and good luck in TBC!

[@Juggs_WoW]

Would be curious if there's been more theory crafting on Darkmantle. I was seeing some private server meta stuff of rogues using the 4 piece Darkmantle set in T6 content.

[@jebus7x7]

Ive played many pservers for tbc strictly and at end game high level (harder scaling included) no rogue ever used dark mantle lol...

[@abs0lut610]

Starting as mining and hammersmith, that haste proc on the mace is gnarly. Once I can replace the mace in t5 onward I’ll drop BS for either JC or Eng and focus more pvp, eventually drop mining and pick up the other as well.

[@MrBret144]

The same exact thing I'm doing. Start Mining / BS for Mace mats. In P2 when I get Talon, then I'll drop Mining and BS and go Engi and JC. EZ game... might even swap to LW in P4 depending on sims etc...

[@Buhtbeard]

I'm actually going engi/JC myself. it took me a month to finally commit to a profession combo but I feel happy with my choice. glad to see I'm not alone!

[@amberleaf42069]

same but i just realised i have to re roll goblin if i want that rocket launcher lol, only stuck on which side of engi i choose atm

[@Buhtbeard]

@@amberleaf42069 dude, I'm actually right there with you. I'm leaning towards goblin but I honestly don't know what the answer is. keep me posted on what you decide!

[@vesanius1]

I was thinking of sticking with my LW + Engineering until I read that sappers share their CD with drums so you wouldn't be able to use them on the boss fights. So i might go for LW+JC. But on the otherhand I'm not sure if I want to keep my LW either since only one person in a group needs it anyway and in that case I would be using the sappers in the raids anyway and could just pick JC instead of LW and have the best professions for PVP as well, while also having very good options for PVE.

[@asfasdfsd8476]

Always nice hearing the weighted opinion of intellegent person, though I already knew that its best to start with BS/JC and then drop BS for Engi once you get another weapon (I have spare gold). If person lacks gold - he should probably start TBC with Mining/Engineering, get all the mats needed for JC + farm some extra for gold and then drop Mining for JC. Using Aldor sword meanwhile which is not ideal but thats what it is.

[@yle_coyote4178]

It was common in classic to do gnomish engineering first, and craft the bop items, then drop it and go full goblin. Is that still a thing in tbc?

[@sirroshin]

The rogue is my only character, now I have herborism and alchemy, im planning to play pvp in the late game but now im only lv 35, would you recommend me to start mining and enginering or its better mining with JC? You are making awesome work with this videos, thanks!

[@HabitualLinecrosser1]

Thanks for answering all of my TBC questions in these videos! Liked and subbed from me man!

[@dani08sv]

Hi super useful video i was struggling to pick the professions, im going to to pve and pve so i decided to go blackmith, beacouse dragonmaw is bis for both phase one, i hope i can get the required mats to level bs and crafting it but at least ill try.

[@WhalePants]

Why no mention of the Chicken and Arcanite Dragonling for Engineering?

[@MrZodiark]

personally im going for engineering and leatherworking, starting with leatherworking/skinning for making gear as i level and make some cash, leatherworking also helps in future recipes, engineering has recipe's for pvp for me and i play orc rogue to have both pve/pvp benefits

[@aldusbrutus1401]

What if I already have 300/300 LW and Skinning? Can't imagine making a new profession again from 0

[@Matt-zj7qs]

Best TBC rogue content. Thanks

[@Gressil8020]

Great guide. :) Rn i'm Ingi + Mining and I want to craft Drakefist for Phase 1 and drop it for Jewelcrafting in P2 when i get a better weapon. Is mining a decent option for gathering some Mats for Drakefist and for leveling Jewelcrafting to 375 or should I just go Jewelcrafting now so I can already get the panther trinket in Phase 1? I mainly want to PvP and I'll only have around 2k gold going into TBC.

[@fibonacciitv2402]

love your vids man keep it up

[@sneakatax9409]

I'm going bs/jc first and then drop bs for engineering once the goggles come out.

[@joeydubs8694]

This is for sure the move my guy good call

[@matthewoehlsen2268]

Yup same. I think Talon of Azshara is like a 25% drop chance off Tidewalker. Should be able to grab it pretty quickly to replace Dragonmaw in P2.

[@sneakatax9409]

@@joeydubs8694 yea I feel like it is but I also feel like it's not haha I wish arenas started in phase 1 or the goggles didn't come out till phase 3.. phase 2 we will be pushing for a main hand wep so we can go engineering so I understand people not going Blacksmithing too because it's a big waste of money if your not already a bs

[@joeydubs8694]

@@sneakatax9409 arena starts 2 weeks after tbc drops what you mean?

[@sneakatax9409]

@@joeydubs8694 everywhere I have seen and heard it says phase 2

[@Duncan94]

The reason you go blacksmithing if you're focusing on PvP is becuase the top end damage of Dragonmaw (320) is nuts. Meaning you hemos are doing much more damage than if you were using anything else in the game.

[@drippinghere]

I decided to go enchanting/jewelcrafting and hopefully be lucky enough to get Blinkstrike.

[@FraGDhaT]

Maxed engi for belt/helm for 250g, Jc for trinket but it was a hard choice not to go bs for weapon

[@philippecote8571]

Do the +2 wep dmg to ring enchants come out at the same time as +4stats to ring? I was planning on BS/JC for arena and drop BS for +2 wep dmg ring enchants once I get spiteblade or glad sword (Im sweaty and will switch up profs every season), but if +2 wep dmg enchants also come out later then I'll do engi right after BS to setup season 2 and pop some sappers I guess.

[@bionixflash6391]

Hey guys one question. I've come back to wow last week and got lvl 70 a few days ago. Is it worth to lvl up blacksmith to build dragonmaw? I don't want to raid just want to do pvp. Keep up the good work :)

[@Zatar]

Dragonmaw is a great weapon for PVP to get you going

[@Juggs_WoW]

I noticed for JC you didn't mention the Hard Khorium Ring as well

[@Zatar]

It is boe

[@Juggs_WoW]

@@Zatar Oh duh, touche! On Engi though, one thing that wasn't mentioned I believe is the battle chicken still being very good. It maintains the 5% melee haste buff and still last 4min, scales with Engi level so level 73 chicken I believe at 375 (gnomes get a stronger one) and the CD is reduced to 20min from 30min. Buffs hunter pets ;)

[@ericrowe2533]

Can you use hyper vision goggles in stealth, or do you have to pop it pre stealth??

[@Ray-px7nt]

Do you have to be a Black Smith to use the Dragonmaw weapon? I am curious. Thank you for your help.

[@Zatar]

Yes

[@theboo4u]

Great video! One quick questions, are drums available in arena?

[@Zatar]

No

[@leagueofscythe7143]

Damn I already reached 300 in my enchanting, because I thought engineering will be useless whole expansion. So now I have enchanting and engineering and have to decide which I should drop for JC

[@m0rphBrain]

why is nobody talking about the gnomish chicken ?

[@Lynrowen]

Blacksmith gang because Dragon Maw is beautiful. BIS for Looks

[@davidwells5888]

6:20 not completely true.. they changed it so the rocket boots can and cannot be used in arena at least 5-6 times infact if you watch some of the later neilyo videos from s3/s4 you can see a couple people using them.

[@Zatar]

They don't work on the beta

[@davidwells5888]

@@Zatar like i said they changed it 5-6 times throughout the expansion in actual tbc

[@Zatar]

I could be wrong, but I would not expect blizzard to change how they work at all during TBC classic. I would expect them to not be usable all of TBC classic.

[@davidwells5888]

@@Zatar maybe who knows with blizzard honestly.. if you lookup neilyo 14 at around 11:15 you see a warlock using them

[@nerielgshsdh2195]

you are just comparing the dps of these weapons to judge if they are better or not? Last info i had was that Dragonstrike (with the procc it has) is BIS till sunwell

[@Zatar]

According to the Simon spreadsheet, dragonstrike sims lower then talon of Azshara, so your guild would have to be giving you nether vortexes to create a non-bis weapon. In PvP, I would expect every item listed to outperform dragonstrike. I think it's fair to say dragonstrike is significantly worse option than Dragonmaw compared to the other options when they are available.

[@jameshopkinsipg]

Think your highly devaluing the +2 weapon damage enchants. +5 weapon damage is roughly equivalent to 38 ap (close just going off of swapping jc necklace) =2 x 2 = 4 so.. its roughly = to 28-29 ap... that's almost twice as good as 8agi

[@jameshopkinsipg]

In term of general AEP.

[@dace069]

so basically for PVE its LW + BS/ENG P1--- LW+ENG P2+3 and come sunwell its LW+JC for the neck?

[@Zatar]

Late game, sappers can still out value the neck depending on how you use them, but technically the neck is best in slot and you will get some benefit from the bind on pick up gems.

[@dace069]

@@Zatar cheers, yeah you are prolly correct. i'll figure it out once we get to Sunwell

[@ItSaHeAdEr]

Didnt u forget the leatherworking pants enchant? Or u see no value in that?

[@Zatar]

You don't have to be a leatherworker to get that

[@MMA-mh9uv]

I'd skip blacksmithing, yeah you get a mace but it's very expensive to level and you'll basically get a free Spiteblade. Not worth unless you have a ton of gold

[@ricroe441]

MY BOY ZATARI LIT

[@sentrick1482]

what is the better race for Ally PvP as rogue. I think gnome but i dont like them haha

[@Zatar]

Human is the best for Arena

[@sentrick1482]

@@Zatar thank you

[@ZekayGaming]

is your website down?

[@Zatar]

Unfortunately, trying to get it back up

[@yungcelo]

you listed "rod of the sun king" as better than "talon of azshara", yet Simon has talon as bis in his phase 2 bis list, has the proc rate changed for rod?

[@Zatar]

I had only meant to list the similar item options to compare the dps values / speed / stats. Seems like I sub-consciously sorted the items by dps though.

[@yungcelo]

@@Zatar ahh gotcha was curious bc I've seen rod on some old rogue bis lists, thx for the quick reply

[@Bellphorion]

Rip...just wasted so much time getting to 350 LW, but my guild needs someone with drums...so weueu

[@sentrick1482]

as a poor man its best to go JC and Mining i guess?

[@backtotherootsracing7564]

I don't want that chicken trinket in arena lol.

[@tsyuko7098]

Probably BS and JWL. Dont really have a choice. I play solo with no guilds and never ever touched any raids in WoW. Doing PvP only and I suck at it, never had 1800 rat in 13 years of PvP. So I cant have any solid PvE weapon and thanks to new S1/S2 rating requirements I also cant have PvP weapon. No idea where I get offhand...

[@xJAYHaWK14x]

Blazeguard should be mentioned as well for blacksmithing, really strong offhand even in phase 2. for those who know they are getting the first spiteblade seen by guild

[@Zatar]

According to Rogue spreadsheets, latros does more damage than Blazeguard

[@xJAYHaWK14x]

@@Zatar ive seen so many different lists and spreadsheets, the more detailed ones i've looked at have blazeguard higher

[@Zatar]

Even if the spreadsheets are wrong and blazeguard is slightly better, it's not worth going blacksmithing, when other professions provide so much more.

[@xJAYHaWK14x]

@@Zatar that makes sense, as a human rogue (who loves swords:)) some research I did showed it was the second bis offhand sword all the way through phase 2, so my thinking is i get it early phase one and put a mongoose on it and get to use it for a long time.

[@dejbreadloaf538]

Your name means oregano 🌿

[@rahbeat9785]

ferst

[@ladiesgentswegothim]

My main is going to be full gatherer mode so I can supply my sweatshop alts :)