TBC Phase 1 Rogue Gearing Guide

[@Zatar]

Correction: Blizzard confirmed that World Boss Loot will be BOP, at least at the start of TBC.

[@Zatar]

Check the page, I included Kingsfall

[@saibothero]

Question will raids be available at the start or do they open up on june 8th. Ive been told it was june 8th but i cant find a source for it. Did you know by any chance

[@Zatar]

I have heard absolutely nothing about raids being delayed in anyway. I would be absolutely shocked to see your raids not open from day one.

[@littledorpc]

andy samberg. absolute legend bro thanks for the guide

[@swanky147]

Super appreciate that you jump straight to business within the first seconds of the video. If I'm gonna watch something like this, it's not because I want to see goofy memes or impressive intros. Content seems well-tailored for (what I assume to be) the audience of the video.

[@lucbob]

I unliked and reliked the video because I didn't realize I had already liked it LOL I find myself coming back to this video for references. Thank you Zatar.

[@residentwolf19]

Thank you for the guide it is very helpful! My only recommendation would be that moving up and down very fast was jarring to the eyes and would love to see all the gear options on one page instead of scrolling up and down.

[@tetra3000]

Thanks for the video will be using this guide for phase one gearing

[@kidchoclate1218]

@Zatar helped Simon out with the proc rate of Blinkstrike so should have a pretty good idea now

[@jingles5661]

can you please explain how the gladiator quickblade is only "slightly better" than latros, is the expertise seriously that good compared to 20 more dps

[@Zatar]

The speed is a huge deal. A faster off hand means more poison procs, more swords spec procs, and more combat potency procs.

[@smilowildcat101]

It feels sad for all the rogues to get blacksmithing profession only for the mace...

[@tomazo5579]

What about Thunderfury ? Where it is on the list ? i just wonder. .

[@mjxaep]

Just got malchazeen to drop, haven’t seen spiteblade yet though. I have vindicators brand/latro’s would it be worth it to get searing sunblade and play daggers until I get spiteblade?

[@Zatar]

With those swords you'll be doing similar damage to those daggers anyway. I would save the badges unless you really want to try Daggers.

[@mjxaep]

@@Zatar Feelsbadman, thanks for the response though, you just saved me like 24 hours of badge farming.

[@tommytran5925]

ive got bloodlust brooch, hourglass and abacus. should i use brooch and hourglass or brooch and abacus. also for OH daggers, i have feltooth eviscerator and is it worth prioing searing sunblade over other gear from badges (like choker of vile intent)?

[@Zatar]

The eviscerator is really good, you do not need to Prio sunblade. I would use abacus and brooch

[@willwardley7320]

Some comments comparing to classic BiS in the next video would be good

[@eddie4691]

Plz do same for pvp gear ✊

[@Zatar]

It's coming

[@marcusrudd6675]

@@Zatar thank you

[@Noxief]

@@Zatar bis gear without Gladiator gear pls, cuz we all know Gladiator gear is bis :D

[@jackal9701]

Subbed man. Thank you for these videos.

[@MRkriegs]

Darkmoon Card Crusade seems better than many of the trinkets above it for boss fights. As long as you can attack every 10 secs or less I would run that but it should not be available till phase 3.

[@Twitch.tvslurrydps]

Zatar you gonna do 1 for Phase 2 gear as well? This was super helpful by the way so thank you for all the time and effort this took

[@jamespadgett8660]

I have a problem. After my kara run yesterday, I got both Fool's Bane AND Malchazeen. I have a Feltooth eviscerator in my bank, and A latros currently equipped ( was using edge of the cosmos). I've been told to go Fools Bane MH, Latros OH and spec both mace and swords. Is this something you would recommend? Or would going double daggers be better?

[@Zatar]

Fool's bane + latros will be slightly behind the 2 daggers, but it will be close. Can go with preference. I would go with fool's bane if you use expose armor or find dagger positioning annoying.

[@jamespadgett8660]

@@Zatar Thank you. I'll go daggers then. Having a mace feels wrong lol.

[@nickolasdparks1889]

what are your thoughts on the assasination 2 set. using kidney in your rotation for the haste proc. and ull be refunded the combo points as kidney will be immune

[@akainu9733]

Humm I have a question... Do Hoj still combine with blink strike and passiv ? 🤔

[@tlifo]

so should I have an off-hand weapon with the highest speed? for pvp

[@Zatar]

1.5 or less is ideal

[@sicluvv]

What about the longevity of getting blazefury for the offhand? If the plan is to get that wouldn't it make sense to build blazeguard? Or is there another offhand sword that beats out blazefury once it comes out?

[@Zatar]

Latros sims just slightly above blazefury

[@Kanimortia]

was the weightstones used when testing fist weapons?

[@Zatar]

Windfury was used

[@elabuelodeltiodellanka8661]

and the enchantings? what are the best for fase 1?

[@PaulAndersonENG]

Hey man thanks so much for the video, really good stuff and saved it all! One question though please, Can I make the "Quad Deathblow X44 Goggles" right away and if not howcome? Don't I need the engineering level and then mats or is the requirement for them later in the game? Thanks alot!

[@Zatar]

They are not added to the game until Phase 2

[@PaulAndersonENG]

@@Zatar Riiiiight ok, Thanks very much for the reply and all the best man!

[@mamenutor]

Is Drakefist for pve viable? What kind of combat spec would you run with this in your MH?

[@chrispratt3666]

It's a mace/sword hybrid build. You sacrifice some points from poisons to get both mace and sword specs.

[@yvngsavage8249]

whats the best meta gem for pve if relentless diamond is unavailable till p3?

[@DoomedDruid]

How much should i sell spinesever for?

[@Zatar]

Depends on the server but I would probably undercut to try and sell quicker. I think the price would go down

[@roxiedfo3570]

There is something I dont get: Why is the mace BIS if sword spec is so strong ? Do you go mace spec or keep sword spec just for the off hand ? (During prepatch MSA should be stronger than R14 swords Mh, then no ?)

[@roxiedfo3570]

Gotta had that this is a great video, been checking on your vids since I started, keep it up, you rox!

[@Zatar]

It has to do with the haste proc, which the simon sheet very well could overvalue. You are right that you keep sword spec for the offhand even if you use the mace.

[@roxiedfo3570]

@@Zatar Thanks for your quick answer!

[@dylanchavez7498]

For pvp what trinkets would u use in p1? Dope guide

[@Zatar]

PVP trinket and the jewelcrafting figurine

[@dusty_reaper96]

Dark mantle offset stuff chest belt bracers boots should be bis for 2.0 till t6

[@chc2650]

All because of the proc? Its that good? I didnt even see people rock those in vanilla classic

[@dusty_reaper96]

@@chc2650 combat potency makes it like 100x stronger

[@Zatar]

CHC I think he is joking, darkmantle has no signifacant synergy with combat potency.

[@glavatan]

how da hell u get Latros to sim higher then Blazeguard? it`s 70dps vs 90

[@Zatar]

It sims about the same as blazefury (3rd rank of that sword). One thing in latros advantage, is that it has better stats. Beyond that, there are 3 reasons that all have to do with the speed of the weapon. The faster your offhand, the more combat potency procs will get, the more sword spec procs you will get, and finally, you get more poison procs.

[@roxiedfo3570]

How long do you think it s gonna take to get Gladiator's Slicer ? (assuming I m gonna mainly 2v2 or 3v3 as a decent rogue player)

[@Zatar]

It depends how good your teammate is, how good your comp is and how competitive arena is.

[@roxiedfo3570]

@@Zatar I just have no idea how it works. Let s imagine 100% win rate (obviously almost impossible) , is it like a week, a month, two month of arena farming ? just to have an idea.

[@Zatar]

If you never lose, you can hit it in 1-2 days depending on how much you play.

[@Kirbstompd]

You cant get that many arena points in 1-2 days.... they don't only require rating

[@Zatar]

@david i might have misunderstood the reply. 1-2 days would be for the rating of you don't lose. It takes multiple weeks to accumulate the points and you get more the higher your rating.

[@pppoopoo4514]

In what world is Prince bow better for rogues than Attumen crossbow?

[@Zatar]

19 agi + 4 AP > 16 hit. The exalted ranged weapons from honor hold and thrallmar are actually better than the crossbow as well.

[@pppoopoo4514]

Now convince your guild to give it to you over the hunters for a 5 AEP difference.

[@MrWalkwaySc2]

Been actually wanting to look this up but apparently it just pops into my KZbin feed :)

[@menswearhous]

what poisons do you use for pve?

[@Zatar]

For raid / dungeon, Windfury main hand if possible otherwise instant poison. Deadly oh

[@Tamsaor4771]

where does Earthstrike fall in the trinket rating?

[@Zatar]

Around the same value as bladefists breadth

[@poisongrob5800]

You shooting for arena weapons? If so what comp are you looking to run?

[@Zatar]

Yes, starting with Rogue Mage and Rogue warlock in 2s. I will eventually play a bunch of different comps in 2s and 3s.

[@poisongrob5800]

@@Zatar I'm torn between a mage or a restodruid for 2's. Rogue/Lock/Druid for 3's. The beta has been nice for practice, even though I feel putting a rating lock on kara level loot is insane. I look forward to games and possibly facing you! Much respect, been watching since you started.

[@frankrossi3524]

@@poisongrob5800 Agree, I don't see why they needed to put requirements on p1. Now I feel like I'm forced to go Blacksmith or PvE. I like the idea of requiring rating for stuff, but not kara level stuff

[@StillGamingMaybeLatr]

Any advice on rogue professions?

[@Mr.H-YT42]

I went Herb / Alch. Tons of herbs in instances making solo stealth runs for pickpocketing, herbing (or mining), chests, and even soloing some mobs / elites. Herb skinning the bog lords in Zanger is an awesome grind. And I think so many people will be going gear crafting professions that consumable producers will be in demand. Get on that fishing and cooking, too!

[@gougepotato2739]

for PVP JC+Eng or JC+Enc imo

[@erika7369]

Does anyone know if fresh servers will be made when tbc/prepatch launches? I saw some new server made

[@redrav4233]

Nothing has been announced stating that they will. More then likely they will open more servers and have people able to transfer there. I highly doubt freah servers will ever be a thing.

[@dennisgardell2661]

Thanks for these videos, they're incredibly helpfull.

[@Zatar]

I actually went ahead and added it. I can't remember why it wasn't there to begin with.

[@dennisgardell2661]

@@Zatar Ah, awsome. Thanks again!

[@dace069]

amazing how DFT still holds up

[@Sanoskesagara]

It's wild that p1 bis has you hitting hard hit cap. Could that make the expertise items more valuable?

[@jebus7x7]

Expertise is only valuable til cap then its useless. Sharp of contempt later and za will provide enough

[@zipnn]

9:31 so you want a fast offhand for assa to apply that deadly poison harder or what? This is just random bad info rambling. This ruined the whole video for me.

[@Zatar]

Faster off-hand reduces the chance deadly poison falls off, and increases the speed in which it stacks.

[@Noxief]

for PVP now, please

[@sanisaado236]

Thank You ❤

[@danridley6507]

are you not looking at expertise in phase1 or is it not worth at this point?

[@Zatar]

Expertise on Rogue is not as good compared to other classes, and that is reflected by spreadsheets as well. Remember that when your builders like Sinister strike get dodged, you are refunded 80% of the energy. The final Talent point in combat makes it so your finishers cannot be dodged. Because expertise reduces your chance to be dodged and those previous points mitigate how bad it would be for your abilities to be dodged, the main way in which expertise would increase your damage is through Auto attacks. Hit accomplishes that goal much more efficiently since hit is a lot easier to get, and you can get a lot more on an item that expertise.

[@danridley6507]

@@Zatar thanks mate for the reply, that makes a lot of sense

[@theamulas]

@@Zatar Curious on this, as it's reasonably possible to get white hit capped and expertise capped (Human + Latros + LC Rep Ring + Gloves from Kara). Most of the stuff I've looked at values expertise above everything else, particularly considering how much % damage your AAs will be. I'd also think that the expertise value increases with the more hit you get, as well.

[@Zatar]

@sean at least in Phase 1, it's not worth going out of your way to reach expertise cap. You will reach the hit cap, and expertise would be your only way to get more Auto attack damage, but in tier 4 expertise items are not good enough to merit using them. One argument you could make though is if for whatever reason getting parried is more of a concern, the value of expertise would be much better.

[@theamulas]

@@Zatar Understood. Appreciate your reply mate, great content. :)

[@jontopham2742]

should have hyped up ur website more

[@nathanmcbride7168]

thanks

[@Critzenkills]

So in bis gear, we have allmost no expertise from gear

[@30KTilt]

kek look at all this hunter loot

[@xiunitv4513]

WHAT ABOUT PVP?!?!?

[@Shp1gz]

Rogue bis?! Bg and arena farming. This is bis ...)))

[@becauseracecars1619]

its too bad the Failsteel Lawlblade is such shit....cool sword

[@Itsstillalex]

Ya'll sleepin on mutilate tho. tsk tsk.

[@Kevin-uj4uu]

damn fake casting a rogue will be even harder with deadly throw waste of time to fake cast them

[@davidcardinal3654]

Good way to fake cast a good rogue on deadly throw is to stop running. A lot of rogues use the cue when I stop running on my priest to pop cloak, or kick( good rogues).

[@angrydew7295]

damn, not first

[@Zatar]

Washed

[@Laakeripala]

Step 1. Find a guild as a rogue. Step 2. Reroll something else as every guild has too many rogues to begin with.