Ultimate Players Cavity Iron Test | Best Cavity Back Irons of 2020 | Golf Irons Comparison

[@chasegallagher6831]

Bought a new set of King Tours this year. im sorry but nothing can beat the feel and forgiveness of these irons wow! the MIM technology will take over forged in the near future

[@method341]

cobra are underrated, I have the Forged Tec and they are super. Even when I thin them they fly near full distance.

[@JDSFLA]

Appreciate the effort it took to put this test together. These are all good irons, but that Cobra dispersion is really impressive. Take out that one thick shot you had with them and it is even better.

[@TheVirusOfHumanity]

Mizuno 921 tours are money. Almost my entire bag are Mizunos now. The woods are criminally underrated.

[@Raymond-sj7cn]

Really loved the feel, consistency, turf interaction and tight dispersion from the 921tour....ordered them after several fitting sessions two weeks ago and now hoping that they still arrive in 2020 😌

[@2ndswing]

We think you'll really enjoy them! Thanks for watching!

[@oliverson1256]

Had a fitting and tested PIng I210 and i500, Titleist T200 and T100, TM p790, MP20mmc and hmb, Callaway Mavrik pro. None of these felt really bad, top 2 for me was MP20MMC and i210. Finally went with the I210’s. Feel was great and i hit center more consistently. I shot 10-12 straight balls within a range of 10m in width and less than 5m dispersion on length, really consistent. These were not the longest, but had great backspin.

[@2ndswing]

The i210s thrive in consistency for sure!

[@BaBaBooeyWRLD]

Fred Couples just switched to i210’s after playing the Bridgestone J15 for 10 years

[@oliverson1256]

@@BaBaBooeyWRLD yea sar that too, too bad all players playing i210’s played mediocre in masters.. couples, hatton, westwood, finau.. let’s hope it’s not the clubs’ fault ;)

[@kylejeffery89]

I got fit for i210s earlier this year. It's amazing how much forgiveness Ping can pack into such a nice looking profile. I get away with strikes that would cost me badly on my old P760s. Ping really are the masters at this kind of thing. Couldn't be happier.

[@stephendibari5010]

Great to hear... I think the i210’s will be my best pick. I need a forgiving iron which gives higher backspin and great feel.. From what i read and seen on KZbin this one feels almost like a forged iron because of the elastomer insert. Have you ever played in wet or dew conditions? These i210’s have the same Pearl Chrome 2.0 finish as the Ping Glide 3.0 wedges and the wedges barely lose 1,000 rpm’s in wet conditions

[@kylejeffery89]

@@stephendibari5010 yeah I'm an any weather golfer. I never struggle for spin with the irons or the set wedges. Whether that's down to the coating or not, I don't know but they definitely spin great in any conditions. Also, if you buy your set all the way to gap wedge, the pitch and gap have glide 2.0 grooves and are like half the price of the separate wedges.

[@stephendibari5010]

@@kylejeffery89 I’ll be definitely buying 5 thru GAP . Possibly 4 iron too. Great to hear on the grooves on the PW and GW !!

[@tat-is4of]

I210 all the way. Love those irons

[@stephendibari5010]

😯. THese are the exact 4 irons ill be using in my custom fit next spring ! You guys nailed it ! Reminder set. Really like the i210’s and the T-100’s, my guess they are the 2 most forgiving out of the 4 irons shown here.I play off a 2.4 handicap but that is mostly due to a great short game especially putting... My Arccos putting stats from 2019 shows an average of one 3 putt every 36 holes. My approach game is the weakest so a great forgiving players cavity will be what I’m looking for ... distance isn’t my concern, feel, looks, control and the ability to move the ball (draw & fade)is most important. Thomas and Drew you guys are awesome, one of my best channels along with TXG on KZbin.. and Rick Sheils too. Looking forward to this comparison test tomorrow!

[@CraigalFun]

Rick shiels...hmmmm

[@stephendibari5010]

@Thomas Campbell TM P-7MC is my favorite so far... that one shot where you dropped the club caused a wider dispersion... would’ve been better if you eliminated one outlier among each grouping of shots... typically you hit 6 each and eliminate 1 outlier, surprised you didnt do that here. THat would’ve really tightened the dispersion circle even more for the TM P-7MC and front to back & side to side would’ve been the best for sure. These will be compared to the i210’s next spring and maybe the T-100’s. Surprised the T-100’s didnt give a better dispersion circle on this test

[@golfbuddy1969]

The TM irons (both) are considerable louder than the others. I am a higher spin player, and went to Callaway X Forged CB, and lower spin shaft, and now played 4 rounds with them. Feel is great and super accurate.

[@2ndswing]

X-Forged CBs are great for sure! We've realy liked them in testing

[@andrewsimpson2930]

I got fitted for the ping i210s. Great club. Nice feel and good through the turf.

[@obedtorres7445]

Enjoying all of your content. Keep up the great work! Any of them stand out in terms of feel?

[@davidmeeks7449]

These guys always do a nice job on reviews with info that really helps. Based on this, my top 3 contenders would be Cobra King Tour, Callaway XForged CB and the TM 770 (though I typically don’t like the feel of hollow/filled heads.) Amazing how Thomas got excellent distance from the XForged CB, a true forged iron.

[@Somewheredownintexas]

I'm late to the game but glad I found the channel, its a gem.. btw the best overall x forged imo are the 13's

[@2ndswing]

thanks for watching!!

[@melabshier5812]

It would be nice, as we all can't see the irons first hand with Covid, to also point out the actual offset in the irons. I don't like a lot of offset. Back in the day when investment cast irons were the rage, I switched from Ben Hogans to Tommy Armour 845's. I couldn't hit any of the irons constantly above the 7. They didn't last 6 months. So back to forged with little offset and stayed that way since.. Of course no club fitters back then. Also, point out for us lefties if the club is available left handed. I've recently bought the Mizuno ST200 driver and 3 wood from you guys. I wish Mizuno had the 5 wood as well left handed. Have a word with them. :-P Fwiw, i'm 69 years old with a 9 handicap. Keep up the good work.

[@justinstephenson9360]

I play i210s and have tested some of the others. i210s have enough spin to be very controllable and despite being a cast club actually have a nice feel. My take on the others P7MC I really didn't enjoy this club when testing it, although I was not swinging well. Much less forgiving than my i210s, didn't feel as good, on good shots it was no better than my i210s P770, tested it on same day as the P7MC and I really liked it. Definitely lower spin than my i210s and maybe 1/2 club longer than my i210s JPX921 Tours, the previous model 919 Tours were a big favourite of mine although the 5i was scarily small - I wanted them but my game was not good enough for them. 921 Tours are pretty much the same, limited forgiveness but wonderful when struck correctly. Sadly I tested them on a bitterly cold day so I got no feel at all from them! MP20 MMC - I nearly bought the MP18 MMC irons a few years back but could not control the draw with them. MP20 MMC is just better in every respect than the previous model. As with 921 Tours, when I tested these it was really cold so not much feel. These are great clubs Also I suspect I am in a minority but I really like the look of the X Forged, would love to test these. For me I am happy to have the i210s, however none of them are bad clubs. My second choice would depend on how important spin is for you: both P770s and MP20 MMC are fantastic.

[@michealhudson4515]

I went for a fitting and was actually going for the Callaway but those cobras were hands down better, and thats why I got them

[@CraigalFun]

I liked my i210's but they used to sit closed which with offset was off putting plus the turf interaction wasn't great. I opted for T100. Certainly smaller head and scary but nicer profile imo.

[@JDAM98000]

Was looking forward to this video, thk you boys👍

[@faizalam2341]

Great comparison, lots to take away from that. What were your thoughts on feel throughout the range and which ones would you game!

[@stephendibari5010]

@Thomas Campbell looks like the cobra King Tour and the TM P-7MC gave the tightest dispersion and the P-7MC had the best spin consistency. Going to be a tough choice next year when I go for my custom fit

[@TwatterFreeZone]

Thomas is a machine! Great review and what a choice of clubs the decent player has. Hopefully you can do something similar for the mid handicapper e.g. Mizuno JPX 921 Forged, Srixon ZX5 etc.

[@TwatterFreeZone]

@Thomas Campbell 👍

[@muffin0079]

Looking forward to this for sure.

[@SirTomFoolery]

too what?

[@muffin0079]

@@SirTomFoolery it was a premiere they advertised had to wait for the video

[@SirTomFoolery]

@@muffin0079 ahh I see.. definitely a great vid for comparisons. My go to hit test channel 😊

[@jackiechow860]

Which iron has the best combination of “players look: think top line, squat blade length”, “feel”, and “forgiveness”?

[@GolfRx]

If all perspective What fits your eye and feeling

[@nordanviken4666]

Srixon and Mizuno is the most fun!!

[@wesleyfontaine3438]

Informative video...all irons really nice. I am playing an old set of titleist 775 cb....How do they compare to 620 cb? Any opinion appreciated.

[@TT-ov1mc]

Is it more difficult to hit for 620cb between these two sets?

[@taylorbetz2648]

Great vid. Which is more forgiving, the mizuno 921 tour or TM p7mc. Thanks!

[@1999NOZA]

mizuno

[@Celtics20]

I have cast mizuno irons, I’m looking at mizuno forged, or Srixon forged

[@clayfleming6286]

Did you check the lofts or are you using manufacturer specs? Taylormade has notoriously loose "tolerances". I would suggest manually checking them prior to testing.

[@clayfleming6286]

@Thomas Campbell Thanks and glad to hear it! I’ve gotten some wonky lofts before which is why I asked.

[@johnnypenso9574]

Just got fit for i210s. Can't wait to get them into my bag!

[@williammartella7616]

Hey Drew, Thomas - what are you thoughts on TM P7MC v Cobra King CB ? I always loved the smaller, square er profile in both, but shops dont seem to carry cobra often.

[@ggalban]

How are you guys getting a ~1.45 smash factor with a 7 iron? Do you have some sort of sim boost on to bump up those ball speeds? If so, that's a very sneaky way of getting someone to buy any of these clubs with an implication that they'd also be getting ~180 yds on their new equipment

[@chrischampion727]

Great test guys! You have really upped the quality in your videos in recent months. One question... The spin numbers are always super consistent. Do you guys use the little sliver sticker on the balls while hitting indoors with Trackman?

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for watching! Yes, in our tests we do use the silver sticker on the ball for indoor Trackman use.

[@SirTomFoolery]

thats just how consistent Thomas's swing is.... Plus these are all CB's designed for a similar purpose. CBs and MBs always have a higher spin rate

[@chrischampion727]

No doubt that Thomas is a great ball striker. My question was more related to the consistency of the spin numbers on Trackman indoors. I’ve spent a lot of time on Trackman hitting balls indoors without the silver dots on the balls. Every now and then you get a “flier” like a well struck 7 iron that flies 190 yrs which for me is about 20yds farther than a normal well struck 7. I use a forged CB (MP18 SC) and I get they’re designed for a higher more consistent spin rate. But Thomas’ spin is hardly high. If anything it’s on the low side with a 7 iron but that’s what you get with a shallow attack angle and 20-22* dynamic loft with a 32-34* 7 iron. But when you’re hitting the ball well over 100’ high with a 50* land angle that’s plenty of stopping power.

[@SirTomFoolery]

@@chrischampion727 ahh yes. The long flying short iron. From my experience with a lot of the non-bladed clubs when you hit the sweet spot just right it can send the ball flying over the green. It's possible that it wasn't an error from the trackman and that you just clubbed that one! But the dots certainly help improve the track man's accuracy so it's also possible it was a fluke..

[@SirTomFoolery]

@@chrischampion727 another thought, they are most likely using "standard" spin shifts... What kind of shaft are you using? maybe contributing to higher spin rates... Like i have S and C taper (both stiff) KBS shafts. The C tapers tend to produce 500 higher spin rate consistently vs the S taper on the same club head.

[@stephprime]

As we have seen now a lot of numbers, which one yould you game? looks like the Cobra is super accurate. How about the differnt feel of those clubs in comparison? which one is the best feeling for you?

[@carterbennett3406]

Great content! i know this test used the S-Taper but would the C-Taper S+ be a good combination with the King Tour iron?

[@BaBaBooeyWRLD]

Only you can answer that question my friend

[@kev12558]

Patronising answer

[@SirTomFoolery]

C taper is a flexier and harder to control shaft for lower shot trajectories.... If you have a slower very controlled swing C-taper might be good but S taper is the standard and always a good choice...

[@BaBaBooeyWRLD]

@@kev12558 not trying to be. Golf is too subjective to make any assumptions out of thin air...I think the Modus 3 Tour 105 is great match for any head but that’s me.

[@kev12558]

@@BaBaBooeyWRLD There you go, better answer already. People ask questions as they are looking to experts to answer. At least you do answer. Sometimes a better answer comes from another viewer. Tom Foolery for example. Thanks.

[@ericzellershow]

Mamma Mia! This is the video I needed! Im ready to go from the 2020 p770s to something sassier.

[@2ndswing]

Thank you for watching! - Thomas

[@GolfRx]

Srixon xv7? Wilson model staff CB? Also we can calculate Yard/degree this way we know which is longer in distance with the SAME shaft*? Spin numbers Dispersion Workability

[@MrDkukesh]

Do you think you got tired at the end? MMC is typically a dispersion king

[@martinallen6521]

Video skipped when you were showing each iron at the beginning and it skipped the picture of the callaway xforged cb iron 😫

[@dogsarefun2]

Was shaft length the same for all?

[@jwilder2251]

The performance of these clubs are so relatively close, it really comes down to feel/looks/confidence/cost. They all performed for good swings (you’re almost too good to be a representative tester!)

[@narendradhaneswara2011]

P 7MC is the most consistent in spin rate and carry

[@johnconnell6453]

I would have liked to see the new Honma muscle back included.

[@ricblic901]

with a 7 iron it's not all about distance, to me the smallest grouping with one of the least amount of roll is the Cobra, when you take a 7 iron out of the bag most time you are going for a pin location, I want a club that's consistent with a small amount of roll, because roll is the hardest to control IMHO

[@2ndswing]

You're right about that, Ric. Dispersion is ultimately the most important thing. With that said, dispersion doesn't carry over from golfer to golfer. Important to try out the irons for yourself to see which ones work for you!

[@MrJnholmes1]

Can you put the full data drop on excel for folks to review by their own preferences and ratings? Thanks - great review as always

[@xxthadeucexx]

Of the JPX 921 Forged, the P770, and the King Tour...what order would you rate forgiveness?

[@Sam.1981]

Are all the head sizes relatively the same size?

[@slickrick2470]

t100 and mizuno 921 tour are the smallest

[@danieljackson6239]

Why did you test the old Srixon and not the ZX7?

[@2ndswing]

Unfortunately in the US it has been unavailable. We are excited to get it in our hands to test and create content on. From what we have seen from Europe it no doubt will be a competitor for this category.

[@danieljackson6239]

@@2ndswing I got them yesterday after a custom fit here in Sweden and they are amazing :-) Looking forvard to se you test them out. Great channel you have.

[@toddsincock3621]

great reveiw. The Srixon dispersion circle looks much larger than it should be based on dots...I assume this is computer generated but comments on this?

[@thekid5345]

So p770 is the longest and callaway CB is the softest?

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for watching! Those are a couple of the conclusions we drew from the test. P770 is built for distance more than any of the other models.

[@thekid5345]

@@2ndswing seems like t100S would play similar to the P770. Wondering if they would be a good match to test against one another

[@markushayes]

Say what you want about Taylormade driver cycles but they keep their players irons in the lineup way longer than Mizuno and several other manufacturers.

[@TwatterFreeZone]

Need the Srixon ZX7 in this test guys.

[@2ndswing]

Unfortunately we have not been able to test it yet. We are eagerly awaiting the opportunity.

[@TwatterFreeZone]

@@2ndswing I will tune in anyway. Love the content. Thanks. By the way, also hoping you will get your hands on the ZX5 irons too!

[@allant.9152]

I tested the ZX7 and 5 the other day, improved speed and spin numbers on the 785's, and the ZX5 is nowhere near as clicky as previous models, much easier to blend in. Best irons from Srixon yet.

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for the update! Sounds like they perform great! A lot of feedback about ZX7. We can't we to test.

[@TwatterFreeZone]

@@allant.9152 Sounds good. Thanks for the feedback.

[@ericzellershow]

33 degree loft and Thomas is hitting them 185 to 190? Beast.

[@2ndswing]

Normal carry with my 34* 7i is 180 yards. Depending on the time of the year (attack angle and dynamic loft) my spin rate gets a little lower which gives the extra distance - Thomas

[@ericzellershow]

@@2ndswing Do you ever get sad watching Rick Shiels not break 75 or lose to all the pros he challenges (who give him a 10 stroke lead) knowing you are a better golfer than him?

[@2ndswing]

Not really his channel has been great for the game. He is also not a pro so I don't expect great scores from him. Would love to one day collab, give him 10 shots and still win- Thomas

[@ericzellershow]

@@2ndswing he did a video where he said his handicap was a plus two. Something like that. That is pro level.

[@antti1041]

How reliable is the spin rate of Trackman?Are you using the metallic dot?

[@mikegable9317]

I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing, they're professionals, SMH

[@bobpegram8042]

The torquoise oval for the Srixon Z785 is disproportionately wide. There is a lot of space from the leftmost shot to the left side of the oval and a lot of space between the rightmost shot and the right side of the oval. Is this software programmed to misrepresent Srixon's accuracy - to make it look worse than it is? It sure looks like it! The Srixon oval should be about the same width as the Taylormade oval P770 (which looks too wide on the right). The Callaway oval looks too wide as well. It looks like it should be a little rounder than it it - less flat in distance. The Titleist T100 oval looks too wide on the left. The Mizuno MP-29 is too wide on the right. I am surprised that 2 numbers are missing: width of leftmost to rightmost shot and length of shortest to longest shot for each club. 2nd Swing does something on the used clubs you sell online: Every photo is the actual club that is listed - the potential buyer is looking at photos of the club he is considering buying. Much more honest and customer oriented that most other companies.

[@zanegardner6488]

Taylormade p770 are the nicest looking clubs ever to me personally

[@2ndswing]

They're beautiful!

[@alanvedelsby8684]

yes

[@detzep33]

I hate the fact you do these comparisons but don't show them all together from a top view !!!! That is a MUST it's what we all want to see. Isn't that just common sense?

[@drew021795]

T100 standard loft is 34 degrees

[@golf007sd2]

You forgot the best of them all...the Wilson CB...Period!

[@2ndswing]

It's also a great option. It doesn't get asked for much in the fitting bay but it's a good sleeper - Thomas

[@MrCalvo90]

Smash factor of 1.45+??? This is driver level smash factor, not an iron.

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for watching! This is Thomas I have created a video to explain smash factor and why my smash factor numbers with a 7iron are over the 1.4 mark. It comes down to how I compress the ball, (attack angle, dynamic loft, and spin loft) I found a way to hit it far as a little guy and can tell you these numbers are accurate due to the way I swing the club. Stay turned we are working on getting this video published very soon.

[@jergernice1]

cobra the winner unless you want distance over feel and consistency.....

[@tintin9735]

iii