Ultimate Spider-man’s BIZZARE Venom Story | Game vs Comic

[@GameDenColor]

Next up, How Treyarch made the best Venom game: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5i2mqxqoZmMeNE

[@Erenthefreedomfighter]

I have always preferred Venom's ending in the game rather than the comics. In the game, Venom has a full character arc and has a satisfying conclusion. In the comics, however, his story ends on a cliff hanger. I still don't know if Eddie is alive or dead in the comic.

[@TheVamxie]

Last time I saw, the maker had ultimate venom symbiote check it out

[@Zikuto_]

Eddie died

[@haroldasusus4684]

I think eddie dies and the symbiote eventually gets loose in the hospital rio morales is working in, this results in her death

[@RiceCubeTech]

@@haroldasusus4684which imo is stupid considering the venom and carnage symbiote were merged and Eddie bonded to them on a near cellular level. So idk how they were able to separate all three entities without killing all of them.

[@haroldasusus4684]

@@RiceCubeTech I think it just ate Eddie to survive. Not exactly well tested medical science these symbiotes.

[@guts_thestrugglerr]

It makes sense Venom didn't have the white spider in the beginning because he got the suit from a seperate sample not from the one peter had. When he abosorbed Peter he absored the suit fragments from when peter wore it causing Eddie to gain the white Spider. Really disappointed me too when he didn't get the white spider at the end of the story.

[@stupendoushorrendous8258]

Even worse about the comic, neither the Venom symbiote nor Eddie ever interact with Peter again. The symbiote comes back to fuck with Miles Morales, but the whole Latveria subplot is never mentioned again.

[@jakew6162]

It would been a lot better if Eddie fought Miles.

[@UltimateSpider1385]

The ULTIMATE Spider-Man video game would've gotten a sequel where he fights Ultimate Green Goblin. The Sequel will align elements from Vol 4: Legacy, Vol 8- Ultimate Six, and Vol 19- Death of a Goblin. The Sequel would've included several bosses such as Ultimate Doc Ock, Ultimate Sandman, Ultimate Kingpin, and Ultimate Hobgoblin. There would also be some cutscenes where Spider-Man teams up with the Ultimates.

[@pepperidgefarm1003]

This actually got made, kind of. "Spider-Man: Battle for New York" for the GBA and DS is supposed to be in based on the Ultimate comics, and features the Goblin, in his Ultimate design, as both the main villain and as a playable character, like Venom is in the Ultimate Spider-Man game. However, the only major villain I remember being there aside from Goblin is Kingpin, and the game makes it clear that its Spidey's first time fighting the Goblin, so if anything, you could see "Battle for New York" as a prequel to Ultimate.

[@MaddiLew]

I kinda wish someone would try to make an ultimate spider man sequel fan game. I mean, you pretty much got all the assets with ultimate spider man with some minor tweaking you could make a high quality fan project in unity engine

[@JohnYourube]

On a side note: I absolutely adore how the team behind this game made the cutscenes work. How they did the moving comic book panels and effects and stuff. It’s so damn cool. Are there any tutorials online or something to edit a video to have comic book effects like that? I’ve been wanting to replicate it.

[@roderick8167]

I wish Ultimate Spider-Man had got a sequel and it would have been interesting to see what direction the game creators and Brian Michael Bendis would have gone in a game sequel would they had continue to follow more closely to the comics or would they have gone in a whole new direction

[@Thanos-cl6cn]

Should’ve followed the miles comic route

[@PencilFan-hj3lo]

​@@Thanos-cl6cndon't think he existed yet

[@borttheattorney6012]

@@Thanos-cl6cn You do know that the game came out in 2005 and Miles debuted in 2011?

[@thebaker525]

The sequel was going to focus on Green Goblin

[@bryceishere]

Technically there is battle for New York too bad that’s a handhold exclusive

[@jamgrams3244]

The part where Da Beetle flies off praising Latveria literally feels like "and everybody clapped."

[@venom0825]

One of the rare moment when the game did it better then the comics.

[@jmoney9173able]

What sucks too is that apparently the suit ended up in the hands of The Maker, the Ultimate Reed Richards who became evil after Ultimatum. He got the suit used to transport himself to 1610, which is in complete ruins, and nothing happens after that because Ultimate Invasion happened.

[@genises200]

So nothing came out of the maker having the Venom suit?

[@jmoney9173able]

@@genises200 sorta it was all in Donny Cates’ run of Venom, where the Maker in an effort to join the council of reeds tried to go back to 1610 with the suit. When he did NYC is in ruins and all the heroes including Ultimate Spidey are nowhere to be found, which leads into Ultimate Invasion where the Maker makes his own version of 1610 with a preexisting universe, 6160. Edit: I should also point out that Ultimate Invasion was supposed to be a sequel to Cates’ run on Venom, but due to a horrible car crash, Cates was forced to step away from the project with Jonathan Hickman taking over and going in a different direction

[@superjlk_9538]

@@genises200yeah. He still wears it but the original ideas were changed due to outside factors

[@f7or1n]

This is proof that not all comics are good and adaptations do better sometimes

[@AliFOJ5]

Ultimate Spider Man is on a level of its own. Honestly Spider Man games back then were just amazing

[@OptimisticAudience]

Man I wish they actually just let Gwen be Carnage. Give us a sympathetic antihero with potential of her finding a new lease on life.

[@javierpupo8042]

I still stand by that the plot of this game (and perhaps SOME elements of the comic) would make for a better Venom movie than the actual Venom movie.

[@LampourgeR2]

The comic is classic Bendis writing. I think the constraints of the game lead to a more cohesive narrative with better payoffs since it was possible it would reach a wider audience who didn't follow the comics. Bendis is famous for being a man with endless ideas about characters, but never implementing them well. His stories always take strange heel-turns, his characters flip-flop to suit the plot too often, and his stories bloat up to where the themes get lost in the spectacle (all this is not even getting into his infamous dialogue style). Because he became such a critical part of Marvel's creative team after the success of the Ultimate universe he kept being given more and more responsibility and basically ran the writing staff from 2004-2010. So it was hard to tell the guy he needed to focus. I haven't read any of his stuff since Age of Heroes in 2011 (I've heard that the first few Miles Morales storylines he did are rough in retrospect), so maybe since leaving Marvel he's fixed some of his worse tendencies.

[@crownlessponk]

What would've been cool is if instead of getting the white spider symbol, he got a red spider symbol like the original design for the black suit, tying it back to Venom absorbing Carnage while still having part of the game's ending intact

[@Some_random_Stickman]

That actually sounds cool

[@thebaker525]

To me, the loss of Mark Bagley really harms the feeling of authenticity that the later ultimate Spider-Man comics have. Bagley’s art defined Ultimate for me, with the game only cementing that feeling. It’s a shame he was dropped from the book so unceremoniously.

[@sp4rtan148]

This video perfectly encapsulates how I've felt about the game and comic's stories and how they sadly diverge. Thank you for making this video

[@harley_yelrah9429]

It’s amazing how graphically this game holds up

[@Bertiboy]

Good art design and cell shading will always do that. If your game is interesting to look at then your technical limitations aren’t a problem

[@mrkaji8913]

This is another reason on why I desperately wants a proper animated series, adaptation of ultimate

[@maydaymemer4660]

This is the best video on this game ive ever seen, because unlike other videos on adaptations you dont just go “here’s the events of the original, here’s the differences” you instead analyze what thematically each work is trying to say about its characters

[@milesbradshaw6643]

If the Ultimate comics ever truly get adapted into animation (No, the Disney XD cartoon doesn't count), maybe both versions of the story of Venom's return can be amalgamated, the best aspects of the video game and comic.

[@thedudecalledalan9095]

No offense but Disney sucks at making spiderman shows Or really any tv show for that matter Even if an ultimate spiderman cartoon came out it would be heavily downgraded and slapped with your typical Disney cringe

[@Shutupdummy]

Spider-Man that was made by MTV is in a kinda comic animation and storyline, probably closest we were gonna get

[@cooldude2027]

That’s what the MTV 3D animated Spider-Man tv show was originally supposed to be, but then the Raimi film came out, and then they decided ”Nah, let’s make it closer to that”

[@personalmusicarchive4459]

Was it ever explained what the hell the green goblin was even doing in this game. He kinda just pops out of nowhere .

[@gamingonamonday6342]

I sunk so much into this game, it was my childhood. So nice to see others talking about it!

[@theghost5050]

The way you talk about things you don't like is so funny, it's hard not to laugh. "Were ya high!!!??"

[@25shadow11]

wow, you really making me question who the protag of Ultimate Spiderman is...that's a good thing

[@JabamiLain]

There can be more than one.

[@ArcTrooper269]

*0:17** NOT EXACTLY, There's ALSO Shattered Dimensions, & that game ALSO pretended to be Canon to the Comics until it came its Sequel*

[@KDMSHOWCASE]

This game was my childhood and one of my favorite Spidey games of all time

[@starman69]

Paul Dini wrote the first two Arkham games and was a principal writer on the BTAS, which the Arkham games are heavily inspired by. Pretty much the only example even close to what this game has goin on

[@ChildlikeMan]

I've read Ultimate Spider-Man and played this game so many times over, and I've pretty much merged these versions of the story into one in my own headcanon (heavily favoring the game, though)

[@srstriker6420]

Yeah I remember enjoying this game especially the boss fights and soundtracks, yes I was confused on Beetle and Green Goblin part like there was a scene that Beetle has a vial on the Sandman and that was never brought up again and as for the Green goblin he was a minor villain just like into the Spider verse where he was a henchman of the Kingpin and nobody complained about that except as he is supposed to be Spider-Man’s greatest enemy and he always wants to be number one. But which do you prefer Green goblin to be a man in a mask or a monster because if you know what an actual goblin is supposed? The only time that he got the white symbol is in the Ultimates vol 3 and that was only a robot if you read that and this story moves on to Ultimatum, we never knew what happened to Eddie after being taken by the Beetle as we got a new Venom in Miles Morales comics who did killed his mother. You know I could never get in Eddie’s head because this version wanted to kill Peter because he used the thing earlier while in the main universe it was all about a miscalculation on a report on the Sin Eater case which that’s definitely out of Spider-Man’s hands. This reminds me who would you prefer to be Venom Eddie Brock or Harry Osborn because he seems to be for the PS4 video game sequel and they do seem very similar in every possible way? Also what do you think about Spider-Man:Spider’s shadow and in the Extreme Venomverse issue 5 there it ties up a loose end.

[@jadjaber9415]

Honestly in my opinion the game is the canon version of events after the firet venom arc in the comics

[@doclouis4236]

16:04 This is not the same "Lethal Protector" Venom like in the Amazing Spider-Man continuity from the 90s comics. The Ultimate version of Eddie is way more of a selfish asshole than the one from the original Amazing Spider-Man comics.

[@maydaymemer4660]

I think what he means is the game’s narrative arc for Eddie could dovetail into a version of Ultimate Venom that was a Lethal Protector (or Ultimate Protector if you will)

[@BaithNa]

Reggae is still super popular in New York so that's not dated at all. If it was Reggae-tone, that would be very early 2000s.

[@TheWazzoGames]

You know, I always wondered why Venom looked the way he did when he killed Miles’ mom later on. Thank God they refined the design a bit when he appeared then.

[@alejandrogonzalez00]

1:08 yeaaaah and it really didn’t help either when Tom Taylor came in and made him even worse

[@arrjae404]

I'm glad you mentioned how he destroyed Superboy and Superman in general

[@mrmadfunny5507]

This is absolutely amazing keep up the great work can’t wait to see more 🔥!

[@sobakaspy]

I think, Bendis gone crazy at some point of his run

[@theotherbk1819]

Woah dude i always thought it was weird for venom to not have his symbol, though nowadays ironically i feel he looks weird WITH it thanks to the tom hardy movies, since he looked incomplete and naked. BUT your anylisis and conclusion of this little change really gives a WHOLE new perspective as I knew it was comic accurate AND the game ended up having a very satisfying tie in to the story and how it symbolized Eddie being in control. BUT your analysis of how it represents a certain hope in this dark story that this gives a little hint that Eddie may take on the whole anti hero path after so much time being a just big animal rage monster killing random people and to conclude moving away from the whole sins of the father theme and taking on a heroic role with the monster he now controls all with the white spider DANG HOW DID THE WRITER GET IT RIGHT WITH THIS GAME BUT NOT WITH THE COMICS?!! Maybe if the second game were made we would've gotten an easter egg in the daily bugle about san Fransisco or some other city having a lethal protecter eating thugs. Speaking of Easter egg i consider the death of Peter and Eddie's fathers to be cool one considering it reveals the OG Eddie had become venom since the ultimate version we follow is actually his son. Two downside i had is i wish venom could websling at the game further signifying him not being a monster anymore and wish we got to fight spiderman as him once considering we fought him as Spiderman like four times including as the final boss.

[@NMbones98]

I wish more Spiderman games were like this from the comics.

[@Kev.NTheLich]

I love the complete divide between the latter half of the comic and the game

[@pcpt]

1:09 nah wym i loved it when they turned super boy into an adult and made everything that fans liked about him disappear

[@pcpt]

all just so they can say superman is bi without being technically wrong

[@brabiz67]

Carnage in the Ultimate comics scared tf out of me as a kid

[@alexrivera633]

I freaking love this game so much childhood memories

[@joelcartagena953]

I really would've loved if Venom in the Ultimate comics had gotten the white spider symbol. And also I would've loved if their was a sequel to the Ultimate Spider-Man video game but I was thinking of maybe having Miles Morales as the MC. What are your thoughts on that?

[@GraySheep1717]

MASTERFUL VIDEO!

[@oldmanlogan9616]

Great video!

[@mrkaji8913]

I really wish they make a faithful animated series. That faithfully adapt the ultimate comics.

[@zacharybosley1935]

Including the Incest?

[@acewalker]

AH!! Gwen whew you scared me. What’s with the scary looking mask?

[@Meatslap]

3:21 bruh is this hotline miami music in the background i literally was thinking about playing it again on ps5

[@haroldasusus4684]

Imagine if we got a sequel with miles as the protagonist 🤯

[@PotartOnYT]

Love the Perturbator music my guy.

[@Juay_deRito]

Imma add an "Akchually" here (spoilers) Venom comes back after Miles becomes spiderman. But it's unclear if this is Eddie or another piece of the symbiote. And all ti does is pursue Miles to the hosptial where his mom works only to have her killed. that's it. All it does is chase afer miles, look at his mom, kill her and then Shield shows up to chase him off. and AFAIK, venom never came back until they merged the universes.

[@blackspy8331]

Hate to “akchually” your “akchually”, but it’s explicitly not Eddie It’s some bum named Conrad Marcus, a scientist who helped make the spider that bit Miles He worked at Roxxon and nabbed a sample of the Venom symbiote from there (even though trask industries was the company that would logoically have some of those???) and went to fight spider-man for… some reason Then miles explodes it off him and he gets shot dead by the cops Ultimate Eddie is just… still at large ig lmao

[@Meatslap]

I really love venom in this game he’s not the best character but the part you play as him and destroy everyone in your way is just cool and crushing people spins

[@PrettyGothBoi6085]

So theres a gwen carnage as well? Seems there were alternate versions of her earlier than i thought. Cool.

[@xaansgaming8717]

You did not diss the beetle like that

[@Kull1339]

Soooo wait, what your saying is, it's Cannon Spider-Man swung around new york for awhile, got beat up by a thug because he forgot how to punch and respawned? Dang

[@StarsTeamMember]

"In a story that's all about Eddie brock." Yeah that's why the story's called spider-man

[@hamzahnurreez8420]

Dude plz review Spiderman web warriors and bionicles please.

[@coreydx8602]

The ultimate comics were really just fanfiction with crazy twists. I liked some of the new interpretations of heroes/villains, but the stories were shit.

[@Disconnect350]

The story was much better done in the game than in the comics. The game is what made me interested in Ultimate Spider-Man, the comics were mostly underwhelming to me.

[@mikeval1525]

Fun fact: trask dies in ultimate x-men ‘Sentinels” arc which is issues 84 to issue 88.

[@freighttrain6932]

My favorite spider man game ever. Classic imo

[@JabamiLain]

Maybe not as bizarre as my version. For anyone who knows "Evangelion", in my version, the symbiotes are corrupted LCL life forms born from the absence of humans who left Instrumentality, but were unable to cope with such absence. Because the Spider serves as a reality totem, Venom's initial goal is to search for Asuka and Shinji (who were taken away from their home reality to witness a universe filled with actual heroes in an attempt at healing), and consume them. But as you can imagine by the other symbiotes, plans evolve a little.

[@Ahsanbro3000]

I thought this was all in the comic but this is so bad I'm glad they changed the ending I don't know what the writers were thinking in this comic

[@SZH4thewin]

I didn’t know 4:25 Eddie sr transformed into venom

[@elederanjo26]

I haven't played the game, just read the comic, so I find your perspective interesting although I can't really relate to it. War of the Symbiotes largely sucked with the exception of the park bench scenes for me, but I can't say I was disappointed because I don't like Ultimate Eddie. He's a thoroughly rotten guy, and a disappointment to Peter. I never thought that Bendis wanted him to aspire to anything greater because he never chooses to be better, even before the Symbiote. That's probably disappointing if you're attached to any other version of the character, but I feel that the original Ultimate Venom arc is peak Bendis and any change to or extension of that original ending would be disappointing personally lol

[@maydaymemer4660]

Thats a good point, while I think as someone who’s played the games but not read the comics yet I enjoyed the thematic parallels between Spidey and Eddie becoming different people from their experiences with Trask and think that Eddie being a better person COULD be possible just from sheer irony of him having better reasons to target worse people perhaps it wouldnt be realistic for a guy like Eddie to change since he’s a person who the work is making a point of saying that he is his own worst enemy. I still wouldve liked to see what this vision of the character wouldve done afterward, if he’d be worse or better and how strained would his relationship with Peter be

[@shin0bili]

Ultimate Spider-Man Venom > Spider-Man 2 Venom

[@nostaglicgamer5502]

The game version is definitely the better ending

[@jovensworld2037]

I’ve never played Ultimate Spider-Man, but I have watched the walkthroughs and cutscenes. So yeah, the game is superior than when it was adapted for the comics.

[@BoyNamedSue4]

I remember finding the first couple issues kinda boring because I had played the game so much before it took a turn into whatthefuckville

[@ned4246]

re upload..?

[@GameDenColor]

Yep, see my community post from yesterday for more sweet deets

[@dupersuper6516]

Gwen had already come back as carnage in the clone saga of ultimate spiderman which was also after the game

[@Some_random_Stickman]

They retconned the game my guy

[@DeadManTalking.]

So in regards to Gwen coming out of nowhere, she doesn't. In the Ultimate universe's take on the Clone Saga Peter Parker finds Gwen Stacy in her old home with no memories of how she got there or how she's alive again. Eventually Nick Fury arrives along side with the Fantastic Four and a battalion of Spider-Slayers to apprehend Peter and in all that commotion, Gwen transforms into Carnage until she is defeated. The War of The Symbiotes essentially ends her time as Carnage and she would live the rest of her days as human again.

[@thepopulargirl1784]

Wait, so who was the original carnage thar killed Gwen?

[@nicolasbernasconi7228]

As far as i know cletus doesn't exist in the ultimate universe, so that was just plain carnage, no host or anything, just carnage

[@bottyuup6885]

100% that game all suits

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

Its not strange really its just great

[@marko-gj1uj]

Trask from Ultimate comics died in Ultimate X-Men

[@Meatslap]

damn the sexualizer in the background is just fitting

[@Andrei-Kozlov]

Honestly this is best venom adaptation ever. He is really important character being Peter's childhood friend unlike 616 counterpart which is just filler villain

[@gabethebabe3337]

I’d say the Spectacular cartoon is the best because it mixed what was cool about both versions.

[@DBfan106]

Watching this video I just have to wonder, who the hell was the comic version for? it has no satisfying ending for venom fans, no real satisfying ending for Spiderman fans, just... nothing. why was it done like this?

[@machineguncrally7020]

Tbh Topher Grace from Spiderman 3 always kind of resembled quite well to me the Eddie Brock in the ultimate universe. Think that was the version they were going for, the final Venom design however was a big L

[@ChazStarkey-c3z]

Sam Raimi said that he didn't understand Venom's character in Spider-Man. He didn't even want to use Venom, that was an executive decision. Venom doesn't even refer to himself as "We" in that movie.

[@machineguncrally7020]

@@ChazStarkey-c3z omfg I never even realised that I just watched the clip back when he meets Sandman and he keeps refering to ‘I’ and ‘Me’ that was so not Venom. Shame that Raimi always blamed himself for how Spiderman 3 turned out and always said he wishes he could redeem it which is why masterpieces like 1 & 2 exist

[@MichaelJones-rz5sw]

WHat did Michael do to ruin Superboy?

[@POWBxDX4DxZOMB]

Real💯💯💯

[@malefitz8174]

I dunno about this one. Ultimate Eddie was.. Kind of a creep. A lot of the Ultimate Universe's writing was just.. Subpar if you ask me. Even in USM itself.

[@Revstarallstar]

Idk what you’re talking Ultimate Spiderman is the best shit ever lol

[@TevyaSmolka]

the ultimate Spiderman comic adaptation of this story was so disappointing in my opinion.

[@projectmayhem4376]

After edge of time i stopped looking forward to new spiderman games

[@Renkoryj]

😮

[@ilovefuzzycats]

Ultimate spiderman devolves into a mess of bad writing sadly

[@substandardeagle4738]

Brock/Venom is just better written and more of a badass in the game. He just comes across as a kinda weak loser in the comic who always gets his ass beaten.

[@MaddiLew]

In the comics eddie is just a creepy incel 😭, while atleast in the game I like to think the alternate version is just a sociopath and they retoconned the gwen thing

[@substandardeagle4738]

@@MaddiLew Yeah, i headcanon the Gwen thing as non-canon too in the game.

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

:K D

[@BD-sc4uh]

First

[@dumbdumb3387]

Its unlikely but i hope the gwen carnage shows up in spider-man 2 DLC or spider-man 3