Who did Arkham Batman love?

[@GameDenColor]

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[@SickJokerTheFirst]

He loved me, i loved Him!

[@SickJokerTheFirst]

but from my big understanding of the big guy, talia was second.

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

​@@SickJokerTheFirstayo

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

​@@SickJokerTheFirstyeah

[@tfordham13]

Ahame 5 knights if you coun the cold cold heart dlc

[@onemoreminute0543]

It's obvious that his true love was the power winch, because he could use it to detonate a controlled explosion after the bombs payload was exposed.

[@verrpis]

Why doesn't games den know this? Is he stupid?

[@tamas21145]

😭

[@Yam-Yam45]

Is there a lore reason for this?

[@onemoreminute0543]

@@Yam-Yam45 Is he stupid?

[@Ruger5757]

No, That's just a line Kevin Conroy says in a certain mission involving the batmobile in the game Batman Arkham Knight. @@Yam-Yam45

[@mopman_comics]

Batman's one and only love is the mission

[@antonzeroedits]

Faxual statement

[@noahallen6556]

Bro 😅😭😭

[@tpalda]

Yeah and think about it he gave up his life for it training and creating the myth of Batman and he is confirmed to have done it after his so called death mission 1 talia Al goul 0 Selina kyle 0

[@quentinjones6877]

Pretty much

[@marlonclark1896]

hahahaha good one buddy

[@Jscon864]

Batman only loved one woman. Her name was Justice.

[@levisryzen]

Lady Justice…. Wait a minute…. Metallica reference?

[@哲二川上]

Fitting considering how Justice is Blind. Some could say…Blind as a bat.

[@PLYTATN]

@@哲二川上 So Helltaker was Bruce Wayne all along, makes sense.

[@altalia07]

He is committed to one lady in his life, and her name is Justice 😆

[@rettillanri4reisiii28ieie6]

But his first sweetheart was vengeance

[@fairamano4657]

Maybe Talia can be seen as Gwen and Catwoman as MJ. If Gwen had survived, Peter would have stayed with her (as seen in Spider-Man Blue). However, that didn't happen, and with time and personal growth (for both Peter and MJ), they found happiness together. While being married, he still loved Gwen, not because MJ was lesser, but because the time he shared with her still had meaning. The road to MJ (Catwoman in this case) is still canon and just as meaningful, due to Bruce finding someone he could trust and love again. It simply took a few (albeit painful) steps to get there.

[@sullengecko2163]

well said

[@beavers1978]

Huh, never thought of it like that.

[@arthurfleck629]

That’s actually a really good way to put it, Talia is most likely alive in the Arkhamverse, given her body is taken by the League Of Shadows during the fight with Clayface, so they likely resurrected her with a lazarus pit. But that doesn’t change anything, Selena was always just as excellent for Bruce, maybe even more so, there’s definitely less crazy zealot father in law baggage. He’d have developed a much stronger relationship with her by the time of the events of Arkham Knight, hence why she knows Batman and Bruce Wayne are one and the same, they trust each other a lot more. By that point they’d be close to being in an actual relationship of some kind, so even if Talia were to be found out to be alive or come in the picture in some way, things have changed, Bruce would love Talia in a different way, the way we love those who have passed.

[@beavers1978]

@arthurfleck629 I think it's safe to say that Talia is gone for good. The Lazurus Pit was destroyed in Arkham City, and the Lazarus Pure Source was destroyed by Nyssa in Arkham Knight. There's no way for Talia to return.

[@kitnal4143]

​@@beavers1978apart from the massive amount of time in between the games that would allow for her to revived. You also act like there isn't more than one Pit? Batman knows of one because he didn't know of their existence before. If this was Talia's first time I'm sure she would be fine.

[@diegola-bella9375]

While they were both alive, it was obviously Talia. I Think you missed a very important dialogue. In City, when Batman is rescued by Catwoman and protocol 10 starts, all Batman thinks is Talia, and Batman would've gone straight after her, to the point that Alfred has to reason with him that the city comes first. Pretty strong moment.

[@jamainegardner4193]

Yeah that one moment closes it

[@congnghequansuvn474]

it could be both

[@RocketRacer-mz1qb]

I’m a cat and bat guy but I believe in the Arkham verse that Batman’s true love was Talia

[@medillyz]

HELL NAH

[@shawnwilcowski]

I agree

[@randomguyontheinternet8345]

Batman very clearly has feelings for Catwoman in arlham knight. But knows their relationship cant go any further.

[@bluesEvanskro]

Reminded me of dark knight trilogy, his true loves gets murdered but he eventually finds happiness with catwoman at the end of the third one

[@exilehell6521]

​@@medillyz bro she is the only women batman have kid with. Damian wayne.

[@Shui.Swndrxx]

If memory serves me right, before Alfred talked to him he was gonna let strange bomb Arkham City just to go save Talia.

[@jayb8934]

Yes. Alfred had to straight up refuse Bruce's orders to get him to listen. Bruce was willing to let hundreds of people die in Arkham City to save Talia instead.

[@farzamimran3960]

I forgot about cant remember lol

[@jayyy1677]

Saw someone saying that Arkham Batman doesn’t have a character

[@callmejacob3234]

I think Batman loves Talia and Catwoman he just doesn't know which one he wants to be with so he goes back and forth but I think after Talia's death he got closer to Catwoman because he didn't really know how to deal with Talia's loss so he just distracted himself with Catwoman's company I do think Arkham Batman loves Talia a bit more but to be honest I really don't know Batman is a complicated dude bro is a ladies man

[@godzillazfriction]

when he said that 'Bruce Wayne' aka the 'real' him... i knew that this guy doesn't understand Arkham Batman since in the Arkham verse... Bruce Wayne is a facade and Batman is his REAL identity.... this goes to show how he handles talia in the theatre and picks jokers body instead of talias.... maybe talias death led Arkham batman to fully connect with catwoman and even talks about his real identity (sort of) aka being The Batman when riddler was defeated

[@godzillazfriction]

plus batman loving Vicki is definitely a facade since that's 'Bruce Waynes' loving her although it's not real

[@forastero54321]

@@godzillazfrictionI get that Batman is Bruce’s true personality but supposed fans believe that Batman is all there is to Bruce. Batman is the dark half and Bruce is the light half: one can’t exist without the other, otherwise Batman would be a fucked up version of the punisher-even Alfred makes these fears of his voiced. By the end of the day, Batman is his trauma and his real personality-pain, vengeance, determination, etc. And Bruce is what keeps him grounded-love, restraint, the promise to his parents, etc.

[@godzillazfriction]

@@forastero54321 no shit

[@forastero54321]

@@godzillazfriction just thought you needed a basic reminder seeing as you stated “I knew that this guy didn’t understand Arkham Batman since in the Arkham verse Bruce Wayne is the façade.” Which in itself is a “no shit” since everyone knows and you misunderstood his point.

[@cheesydawg371]

I think it's cool how the love for both Talia and Selena are prominently shown. Love is complicated and often that seems to be taken in negative ways in media like a character falling out of love or someone cheating in the relationship. Here love is treated with more respect as something that is unique to someone's life. Bruce simply loved Talia and Selena at different points in his life. There's no "one true love" here. It's all unique to how this Batman's life has unfolded.

[@hiranmaydas4921]

Batman is the harem king.

[@Oskar0424]

@@hiranmaydas4921 Dick Grayson*

[@Patrick-pc3vq]

That's how love works, there is no such thing as "the one", it is meeting a person you are compatible with at the right point in time for both, and if you both are willing to work on the relationship it will preserve but if it fails there is always other people you are also compatible with that would be willing to have a serious relationship with you.

[@johnsledge3942]

The goodbye message to Catwoman in Arkham Knight still makes me emotional… I just wanna see Bruce happy, man

[@carmensandiego328]

Feel like he’s never been happy since his parents were killed

[@jlpgamin]

Catwoman is his love. I'm a BatCat guy whether in the games or the comics and unlike most of Bruce's other love interests Selina is the one that relates to and understands him the most they share values and even when they aren't together they still love each other. The current state of their relationship in canon proves that one with them going through relationship drama thanks to the Catwoman book from last year to now and the upcoming war between them.

[@srstriker6420]

Yeah so do I because I thought of a new character called the Bat king and he is part of a anti Justice league team that are monster version of them

[@Darkseidusesinternet]

@@srstriker6420Talia is infinitely better than catwoman in every way shape or form.

[@SolFundamentum]

That doesn’t mean anything in the Arkham verse. In the comics Catwoman knows Batman’s identity, in the games, she doesn’t find out until the very end of the franchise because Batman doesn’t trust her. It’s even alluded to in the Hugo Strange tapes in Arkham City.

[@jlpgamin]

@@SolFundamentum my point is the fact that they share the same level of connection and chemistry in the games

[@Darkseidusesinternet]

@@jlpgamin Talia is infinitely better than catwoman because of her unwavering loyalty for Bruce.

[@papabear6611]

I would say he loved talia but eventually due to her opening up a bit more he started to love catwoman and if you beat the side missions before the main story in knight, she calls him Bruce which means she has known Bruce was Batman before it was revealed. I think Catwoman has this thing where it’s about learning to love again despite the tragedies. Catwoman acts cold as well as Batman in their own way but they act more vulnerable as the night goes on and the riddlers rage tenses up

[@tobyclain9467]

Riddler’s rage tenses up… 😂

[@alexandrefrauches132]

I see this as situation similar to Peter Parker romance with Gwen Stacy and later MJ. Batman had feelings for Talia in Arkham City, despite opposing her methods. When she died, he and Catwoman slowly start to develop their relationship.

[@NotRJ001]

Bruh she ditches this man like every time they encountered each other. Talia and Batman both had feelings for each other and after her death and Joker's death he basically was unbalanced. The Arkham City DLC about Harley Quinn explains it.

[@YasaByYasa]

My thoughts exactly!

[@LeonardoTMNT444]

@@NotRJ001Yeah, but hes saying their relationship developed more after Talia’s death

[@MissYamIherexxx]

I'd say he was in love with Talia and then after her death he and Catwoman started to develop their relationship more. He definitely loves Talia, she's like the only person he shows emotion to in Arkham City, but considering the end of Arkham Knight he also definitely loves Selina.

[@jimbowlan5804]

Considering how both in different media have had kids with bruce

[@sc0rp0in40]

@@jimbowlan5804 bruce had kids with selina?

[@Redhoodsw.28]

​@@sc0rp0in40yeah they did

[@moshymosh]

Nah. Catwoman or bust.

[@sc0rp0in40]

@@moshymosh duhhh

[@jpmartinez9165]

He showed the most love carrying the Joker

[@Wasab1onyt]

But I mean there is always Alfred

[@Diabolical420]

@@Wasab1onytI think Batman cares about Alfred more than anybody else in the whole series because Alfred is practically his dad.

[@Thebatman.0000]

@@Diabolical420now coming back to this vid tho Selina is close to him prolly, even tho Bruce would still pick Alfred in ssktjl( if u consider the game canon or not ) there are letters from Selina to Bruce with kiss marks n shi imp,Hong that they are together

[@MomoKanjaki]

yup

[@BaconManGaming101]

arkham: talia pretty much everywhere else: catwoman

[@srstriker6420]

Don’t forget Rachel from the Nolanverse

[@BaconManGaming101]

@@srstriker6420 I mean he ended up with catwoman at the end of TDKR but you could argue he loved rachel more

[@DavionLane]

As it should

[@BenWitya]

I think if we really go back and analyze all of Batman and Joker's dialogue, there could be a solid argument to be made that those two are truly the loves of eachothers lives.

[@christaylor7916]

Y'all want batman to love joker so badly...🙄

[@Samuel152]

Batman never loved Joker, especially since there's the implications that he wanted to do serious torture and damage to the clown prince of crime in Arkham Knight.

[@altalia07]

Only Joker 😆 Batman was the love of HIS life.

[@quentinjones6877]

When I played Arkham City back in the day, I kinda liked Talia more than Selina but I think when I found out how Damian was conceived led me to liking Selena more

[@quentinjones6877]

@@Zuperfunjjj when was it retconned?

[@DilettanteThat]

@@quentinjones6877 It was retconned but then retconned back and honestly it's really messy considering Batman Hush (the movie) essentially confirms it. So it's canon but it's also not because that's how comics work. Giving Bruce a date rape drug though is only one of the few things that make her an unstable love interest to Bruce in my opinion. Even with that instance in particular retconned after all, the stuff with Jason doesn't exactly paint her in a good picture either... Personally I don't think that's a bad thing, from a writing POV. But then again I never cared much for Talia as a love interest for Bruce beyond being a past love interest, because that Dynamic is interesting to me. A past love that you were or feel betrayed by. Edit: Essentially I think there's a lot of opportunity for muddled and complicated relationship between them which is no less good to read when done right. The only problem, is when done right lol DC tends to have a history for avoiding addressing abuse of men and brushing it off or retconning it.

[@quentinjones6877]

@@DilettanteThat I think son of batman (movie) confirmed it also

[@mat7083]

Batman loves dangerous women. That’s the one toxic quality that’s pretty consistent in the continuity. Even when Bruce thought Andrea Beaumont was still normal…BAM! She’s a vengeful murderous vixen! Of course, there’s Batgirl but 💥🔫

[@goodgamesir1750]

@@quentinjones6877I really hate that Grant Morrison retcon it to date rape. It was consensual until his moronic brain didn’t think so and now everyone goes with that continuity

[@Alejandro333777]

I always loved how Talia called Batman beloved

[@NotRJ001]

Personally Talia was the best option in the Arkham Universe and she genuinely loved Bruce, she literally got caught intentionally to get the cure for Bruce. Hell Ra's Al Ghoul even said she was the woman he loved during the end of the boss fight.

[@medillyz]

talia sucks bruh💀💀

[@ErenDenizMert]

Yup its obviously both. After her death he developed things with catwoman

[@VioletStreak02]

Selina also was threatened twice by two different villains because she’s Batman’s ‘favorite cat’ and they knew that would get his attention

[@rhysburns5420]

We theorising this now? damn we really need new arkham content

[@Vinesus]

Aslume

[@thegoldavenger.3829]

@@Vinesus Is he stupid? Controlled explosion, power winch

[@dodar.]

​@@thegoldavenger.3829killer cock

[@plushiesdx]

did you see what happened to r/batmanarkham?

[@fuejrbtb]

Is there a lore reason for this?

[@ShFred]

I feel like he genuinely loved Talia. With Selina, he only really cared for her but didn’t plan to take it anywhere. It was platonic love and I can relate.

[@TommFoolery]

It absolutely wasn't platonic but I know what you're trying to say lmao

[@ShFred]

@@TommFoolery There's probably more to it. I'm by no means a comic-head but I know there's been a lot more going on in the comics. In these games however, I can't remember anything explicit but then again, it's been 5 years since I touched the series.

[@TommFoolery]

@@ShFred They kiss in the the scene where Batman says goodbye to her in Arkham Knight. In that scene Catwoman also suggests they "get a hotel room" and it doesn't come across as a joke imo.

[@ShFred]

@@TommFoolery sht, forgot the kiss. Well, Bruce does decline in the end anyway.

[@TommFoolery]

@@ShFred I mean, he'd decline absolutely anyone. He had shit to do lol

[@albertreno6979]

Small thing to point out, in arkham vr(which is canon), there’s voice messages of Vicki vale saying that they are not technically a thing and there is alao postcards by selina from different places around the world with also a globe which contains a cutout of different heists on the newspaper which took place in the same places as selinas postcards

[@rodnado6972]

Since the joker is apart of Batmans mind in Arkham Knight him saying to confess your feelings before he takes control shows Batman definitely loves catwoman

[@rosestar1324]

Yeah. I think Batman did have feelings for Talia but he loves Catwoman. Joker being in his mind means he would know the best ways to hurt him. Ans he does that by telling Bruce to tell Selina how he feels cuz she has a target on her. Joker didn't say Dick, Bruce's adopted son and a person he cares for and Joker didn't mention Alfred who is a 2nd father to him. Clearly Batman cares a lot for Dick and Alfred, and yet Joker brought Catwoman into things.

[@ScootsMcDootson]

We might not know who Batman loves, but we certainly know who he's proud of.

[@davidsiatatgaming]

Exactly

[@MC11723]

@@davidsiatatgaming ROBIN!

[@coin4898]

Dick

[@TheRealDoggoCEO]

I'm proud of you di-

[@busebuse8968]

@@davidsiatatgamingjığ

[@reecey1504]

Bro, you completely skipped protocol 10 where Batman argued with Alfred about going after strange vs saving Talia. Crucial moment and Batman’s biggest conflict in the games. Talia 210%, he was willing to let everyone in AC die so he could save Talia.

[@ErenDenizMert]

True he loved her. But he developed things with Catwoman after. He didnt go in depth he just summarized it

[@christaylor7916]

Facts

[@Jellysmake]

His true love is the power winch

[@bravo6959]

He even triggered 23 controlled explosions with it

[@Fredericco1]

Look at those two kisses. With Catwoman, he hold her and is doing something. With Talia, on the other hand, he just stands there. He let her kiss him, but he himself not done much. Someone might argue that he didnt have time, and was poisoned with Joker´s blood, but he didn´t done anything at all. I think that he love and in the same time hate Talia. He like her as woman, but all the League of Shadows stuff is not his style. And is too much big part of her. He can never be with her like that. Catwoman is a criminal, but from time to time she do something good. She also don´t kill, only steal jewels, money and other stuff. Yes, there are times she steal somemething dangerous, but in the end, she is not that dangerous and he could be with her.

[@sahandehteshami7404]

Batman almost sacrificed all of Arkham city for talia

[@altalia07]

Yeahh. Oracle or Alfred had to convince him I think

[@parkerk06]

​@@altalia07both did, oracle said "hundereds will die" alfred followed up by saying "batman must save gotham"

[@SolFundamentum]

It’s so clear. Talia was the love of his life in this series and it makes sense because she was a more toned down version of the character, more in-tune with BTAS than Morrison’s run. It’s so evident that Talia’s the only person Bruce shows genuine weakness towards across the games. Even in the Arkham Unhinged comics (which some claim are not canon because of AK - but it doesn’t matter) Bruce expresses a desire to leave the mission behind if he could spend the rest of his life with Talia. Catwoman and Batman are an on and off, mostly sexually tense/physical, relationship. She doesn’t find out his identity until the very end of AK, this shows that they’re not on the same level in the Arkhamverse as they are in the comics. He surely cares for Selina, but he doesn’t love her the same way he does Talia. It’s just nice to see the writers take the Bruce x Talia dynamic seriously without writing either of the characters completely out of character.

[@trevorphilips9065]

Actually Selina always knew about his secret identity

[@CynderSpirit]

Selina knows Bruce Wayne is Batman if you complete Riddlers challenges before ending Arkham Knight she tells Batman that she will sneak by Wayne Manor to make sure his doors are locked.

[@bibbyboxx2219]

Great comment.

[@2kgoofy]

No he loves joker

[@DilettanteThat]

@@2kgoofy Tf lmao

[@The_Phantasm]

In Arkham Origins it is revealed by letters in the bad gave that Andrea Beaumont who was an original creation for Batman Mask of the Phantasm exist in this universe and so anytime Andre is in the conversation I am going to be here without question.

[@STOKEZGAMING]

Also just want to mention how nice it is that the first time we see catwoman in arkham batman saves her, then later she saves him. Then in Knight He saves her from Riddler and let's her free, and instead of her leaving she later returns to "save him", I quoted it because she really helped more than save but still she came back for him even tho she could've left.

[@Danstarmakeadar]

You forgot to mention the part where Batman was going to choose to save Talia over ending protocol 10 and only to stop it cause Alfred and oracle forced him too and he is someone who will always choose the mission

[@alexanderthered5603]

Seems pretty simple, doesn't it? He loved Talia, but she died. He then grew much closer to Selina, but before anything really seirous could happen there his identity was exposed and he made the choice to end it, knowing what he would do. It's pretty clear he didn't want to, but the mission comes first even before Selina and Talia.

[@hameddavila6150]

well actually in city batman wanted to go save talia more then save arkham city but they had to convice him to go stop protocol 10 and in knight he goes to talia sword and says her name and takes a moment of silence for as long as you want till you press a button

[@alexanderthered5603]

@@hameddavila6150 I think he loved Talia enough to possibly end the mission, though just slightly. I don't think he loved Selina to that degree.

[@hameddavila6150]

yeah so pretty much he loved talia more cause he would let a whole city be gone just for her so i dont know what this guy talking about in this video but makes sense cause he said he is a fan of cat and bat so makes sense@@alexanderthered5603

[@MEYH3M]

I just noticed the Arabic words on Ras al ghul's sword, it's (شيطان راس) translates "Demon head" or "Head of the devil". Ras al ghoul or راس الغول in arabic translates to Head of the Ghoul. It's not perfect but i love these little details in the Arkham games.

[@brikkboyz22studiosextra]

bro did u see who batman was carrying at the end of arkham city? his true love is joker, no cap

[@MomoKanjaki]

yup

[@extonjonas6820]

I think it is clear Talia is his love here. The way Oracle reacts implies that for whatever reason he just can't stay away from her. Cat Woman might be more interesting, I think it is clear that Arkham implies she is the love of his life. He clearly cares deeply for catwoman but most of that happens only after Talia is dead.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

In Arkham verse, he's definetly in love with Joker. Think about it, in the end of Arkham City, he's way devastated of Joker's death over Talia's death during few minutes! Even he carried his body like a gentleman outside and he left Talia's body on the theatre. Even in Arkham Knight, Joker is literally inside his mind as he still misses Joker.

[@ethandoyle4978]

Dang I had no idea andrea was in the Arkham universe, I guess that might explain why Bruce was angry during his early years , maybe he lost her while she was searching for her father .

[@drdumbelious]

i have the jonkler beatboxing in the background of this vid, my brain has officially rotted

[@DougieYT]

ArkhamVerse Talia & Catwoman both seemed like they were good for Bruce, but idk, he seemed absolutely distraught over Talia’s death, even almost a year later.

[@River.w]

My guy knows about Tom King's run but says he's never seen Batman tell anyone "I love you"... The Dialogue reads "I love you Bat", "I love you Cat" several times.

[@l4dym3r3k]

It's obviously Joker. He even says it: "Isn't this what you've always wanted, Bats? Me...stuck deep I side you?"

[@burgerkingfries4941]

Would have been funny had it not been for the "/j" at the end. Edit: It appears my G has edited his comment and removed it. W moment

[@rosestar1324]

Joker: Harley, make sure you put on Batman mask when we fuck!

[@bluesEvanskro]

Oh hell naw

[@fuejrbtb]

Bruh

[@KYLE1654-v7m]

I hate you. 😂

[@DilettanteThat]

I don't think it's wrong to say he loved Talia in the past but grew to love Selina later on. Kind of like natural progression. Talia was his past, Selina was his future (regardless if they last). People move on, it happens, and if anything it gives more depth to their characters.

[@Cytron1515]

Batman LOVED Catwoman, period. I always looked at 'em as soulmates in the DC Universe.

[@andreeaelenapirleci5877]

Batman will always love Catwoman. Batman is a man after alll, the psychology of a man, demands him to want to protect and provide....he still loves himself a strong woman as a partner but is still a man. Talia is a general of an assassin army, wealthy af and a great assassin... if you count the possibility, can be near immortality too... from many perspectives, Talia is superior to Bruce....he cares for her, has affection for her, but cannot love her. On the other hand, Selena was an orphan like him, she was not born rich and she is a thief, but with her circumstances forced her to be one(she could have chosen to be a prostitute but she didn't), she is still strong and smart and resilient, she can fight, and bonus, activates the manly hero need in Bruce's heart. That's why Bruce will always love Sel;ena Kyle.

[@lala2686]

He had something going on with Catwoman in Knight for sure, but remember his reaction to seeing Talia’s sword in the GCPD evidence locker. He said “Talia… I’m sorry” and leaned against it. I love the Cat and the Bat through and through but I think that in the Arkham series, Talia was Batman’s true love. Only after her death, Batman got closer to Catwoman.

[@DivineKnight_115]

I think Batman had a love hate relationship with talia where he did love her but knew it wouldn’t last cause if her devotion to the league of shadows. After she died he mourned her and mostly moved on only having regret about not saving her but ultimately decided not to ignore his feelings for Selina. It’s obvious he’s taking their relationship more seriously after city.

[@MasterTemplar781]

Here is a list of Batmans love interests (or just people he has had a releationship with): Catwoman Talia Al Ghul Vick Vale Wonder Woman Black Canary Silver St. Cloud Harley Quinn Andrea Beaumont Zatanna Julie Madison Poison Ivy Lois Lane Dick Grayson (Well people thought they had a gay releationship. They didn't but still.) Original Batwoman (To make Batman not look like he's in a gay releationship with robin.) The mission AND OFC BATMANS BIGGEST LOVE INTEREST THEY LOVE EACHOTHER AND CARE ABOUT EACHOTHER MORE THAN ANYTHING YES YOU KNOW WHO IT IS IT'S: The Joker (who is also Arkham batmans true love if you didn't know 🤣)

[@FS-sb]

Add Lois Lane

[@agxilev9976]

You can also add Poison Ivy

[@hiranmaydas4921]

You forgot to add Dick Grayson

[@MasterTemplar781]

@@hiranmaydas4921 Ain't that his son. Whatever people tought they had a gay releationship for a long time.

[@AssassinArchitect]

Man love Jinkler, they only pretended to be arch nemesis infront of Woman and Honking Queef.

[@Liquid.Iridescence]

Batman loves Joker, Selina, Talia, maybe even Diana. But his TRUE love... Being the BatMan. Saving lives, helping gotham, his sidekicks... Thats who he loves

[@rileyh5284]

0:32 “ I don’t think Batman even tells anyone he loves them” especially not the robins 🙃

[@thatonecomicbookguy]

*Bruce clearly loved, Talia.* Sure, he probably had some feelings with Selina, but those feelings were probably reduced to an acquaintance sort of relationship later on. I’m just annoyed that Oracle b**ches about Bruce having a relationship with another person while she dates Robin. Sure she’s an international assassin, but to refer the animated series, she shares her fathers vision, but she doesn’t share the same means to that vision.

[@extonjonas6820]

She supports her father who is a terrorist. Whether she likes his methods or not she supports them and enables him. She I feel like you can't blame oracle for not liking her getting favoritism when she is far worse than some of his villains considering the level of crim Rahs is associated with

[@rosestar1324]

Lol it did seem like she was jealous of Talia. 😂

[@duvan-solis]

I mean, Talia for city is at least in a somehow priority and relationship with Batman. Only reason why she lost is, well, she is dead. That makes part of how the stories move, and the result left in order to us to interpret takes us back to catwoman at the end. Is olnot like Bruce forgets, but eventually catwoman is the winner.

[@moshymosh]

Catwoman. End of story.

[@Tommedian]

We all know the right answer is Joker

[@FiniteMan1933]

In the Arkham games at least it seems to be Talia, bro even stopped using the Batman voice but I think eventually it becomes Catwoman.

[@Terminal_Apotos]

Jeez when you put it in the “We only know him for 4 nights out of 13 years” that really made me think differently haha

[@Frogman1212]

ej u 6umb yea cuy

[@smartii3s]

yeah honestly we know nothing about this guy. we know his feats and his tech but deep down we know almost nothing about who Arkham Batman really is because we only see him for 4 nights that all have an extremely large time span between them

[@thequestion2859]

It's always been my preference that though Batman's long life and adventures have led him to different romances with many different women, that Selina Kyle is the person he truly loves and who truly loves him back. They're such similar people that the reason they can't be together is exactly the same. Their lives and their goals are just not something they're willing to give up. However, love doesn't work like that and neither of them can help themselves from trying and letting things happen over and over again. I love their relationship its my favorite in all of comic books

[@natoriousthehopeful2786]

I just have two things to say: 1. 10:44 that dialogue leaves me feeling complicated version of hatred for hallucination Joker 2. As a fellow BatCat stan, I am tired of DC dangling the couple in front of us like this: I am convinced the only reason they've never pulled the trigger is because it would disrupt their "successful" (and I use that word LOOSELY) status quo and they'd have to actually come up with NEW stories revolving around said NEW status quo

[@riffhousestudios96]

I hope the new Reeves Batman does something fresh, they’re clearly setting up cat woman being the main love internet

[@goodgamesir1750]

But that’s the thing, isn’t it? It’s always about the status quo in the end. It’s why Spider-Man can’t have Mary-Jane, why they always try to split Superman and Lois apart (and failed constantly to), why Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor are always in this weird place of yes/no. Because of bullshit like the status quo

[@markdicristofaro904]

There is guidance with writing any story. Keep the reader guessing, and they will keep coming back. The little love thoughts in these stories are exactly that. Bruce will never make any decision about Cat Woman or Talia because it keeps the fans coming back for an answer that will never be there. Major LOL!

[@Dissection39]

Batman lusts pretty hard for Talia, but she is as you say a temptress for his opposition and a killer. Catwoman is the woman he would want to be with, even if he has the hots for the bad girl. I also feel the Cat and Bat have the best romance out of all of Bruce's loves, and I think he cares deeply for Catwoman, that isn't immediate like with Talia, but the 2 are just too perfect together in the grand scheme of it. However Batman's true love is his unending crusade.

[@BiggieCiggie01]

1:08 relatable

[@ikuwhan]

I think that his relationship with talia was genuine, cus when joker takes talia hostage, he calls her batman's girlfriend. So maybe they did stuff in public or sum

[@gunnerdown]

*Describes a 3 out of 5 contest* *preforms a 2 out of 3 contest*

[@andreslamas6677]

What about the Joker? He even dedicated a love song to him and feels repressed sexual tension from Batman whe he sees him.

[@hiuman6483]

I'd go for Vicky Vale for Bruce/Batman, since Catwoman's a thief and Talia's an assassin killer.

[@RealGrognak]

I feel like Talia and Batman had something, or rather he was just being seduced by her. I mean Batman may be a hardened man with no fears in the end but every guy has needs. I don't want to say Batman was in love with Talia, in my opinion it was a mixture of lust and love. Or maybe it wasn't. Its obvious that something is there between them and it could be true love and that they actually are in love with each other. BUT I feel like Catwoman is the canon romance for Batman as they just have more history together in the long run. I also think that they just are a better ship and connect overall better. They don't contradict each others interests, and they have a similar backstory to relate to each other. I dont know how to exactly explain it, I just think Catwoman is the better option the in long run if Batman was to retire and settle down. Hypothetically, if it were between Talia (If she were alive) and Selina, I would personally pick Selina, she just seems better fit for Bruce.

[@Jws20]

He loved the Jerker

[@BroughtCat]

You do realize Snyder's Batman had something called a CHARACTER ARC. He was supposed to be a Batman thats been active in gotham for 20 years but has become jaded and more ruthless. It was Superman's selfless sacrifice for humanity that made Batman realize he was wrong. Christ Bruce even said it in the end that Clark was more human than he was. You can like/dislike Batman killing or not, however you cant ignore the facts that Batfleck initially killed for a reason, it wasnt out of thin air like you people are making it out to be, smh..

[@millaray9912]

It certainly wouldn’t change your conclusions, but the AK novelization notes that Bruce dated Vicky in the past.

[@AmiMizuno2]

The same can be said about Dick in the comics but outside of the comics it's mostly Kori. Even in video games injustice 2 and Gotham knights he might be dating be Kori there too, she emails Dick about a dinner date.

[@wes5990]

All I’m saying is he carried joker out of the theatre in Arkham city instead of talia…

[@MomoKanjaki]

mhm

[@atuandonosgames6094]

Maybe because she exploded

[@George-Hawthorne]

Wrong on all counts everyone knows Batman's one true love is the Joker. The way he carried him in the end is proof.

[@beavers1978]

I'm pretty sure Catwoman said that she hasn't seen Batman in months after Arkham City.

[@TECHNICALfalcon]

I always view Batman as loving Rachel early , then talia , then moves on to catwoman and then ends with Wonder Woman

[@moneygreen932]

Batman (especially Arkham) is a bit more in tune with his emotions and isn't yet so jaded about the mission. He still has some sympathy for all his villains though he still plays them hard. You can see it in moments with Mr. Freeze and others. He even wanted to save Joker, even after all he's done in both those games. So yes, he has feelings for Talia but I think he also wants to SAVE Talia and hasn't quite reached that point where he finally accepts that she won't ever leave her father or HIS mission. I also think this Batman doesn't know of Damian (he might've been made during that time they mention in Metropolis. So, yeah he's conflicted and pulled in different directions but she dies. Or "dies" I should say cuz we know how this goes.

[@Samuel152]

Something tells me you didn’t play Origins.

[@moneygreen932]

@@Samuel152 that something is wrong. I played Origins, but that's a different Batman than the one that he is by the time Asylum and the others go around. That's Batman at the beginning (about 2+ years in) where as asylum is probably peak Batman. So not the same mindset or history with the villains yet..

[@Samuel152]

@@moneygreen932 He's still Arkham Batman. Just because he's starting out doesn't exclude him from an overall review of his character; especially with the character development and growth. Batman in Origins is very emotional, being very angry and reluctant to accept help. While this doesn't affect his love life, this is very important to his character and shows his growth.

[@moneygreen932]

@@Samuel152 so what is it exactly you are trying to argue?

[@Samuel152]

@@moneygreen932 Nothing. I'm just saying you shouldn't leave out Arkham Origins, since it's canon to the time-line.

[@santhegemini]

stacey and tracey were elite baddies it always made me mad they was rocking wit the penguin

[@Take_A_Gander]

Oh my gosh I never heard the voice change that’s awesome. I love that detail

[@TylerTaoBarnhouse]

you can talk to catwoman during arkham knight he asks her how she got caught and she told him riddler offered a job, batman then said sternly I might add “Selena” and she replies something along the lines of “What? Did you think you’ve reformed me?”

[@misstrussteLgbTq]

In all Batman universes Talia was introduced to Batman by Ra’s to lure him to the League and Batman knows that. She is the honeypot to make him an assassin. The other thing to note is that Talia calls him Bruce, when she goes to kiss him she removes his cowl and as you pointed it’s Bruce Wayne’s voice that is heard not Batman. Catwoman on the other hand kisses a masked Batman and calls him Batman. Batman has no issue with Talia’s guards seeing his face or knowing his name is Bruce which shows a HUGE level of trust. They are both unrequited loves. Batman could never date a thief and Bruce Wayne could never date an assassin, they are people he wants but morally can’t openly have. They are both self decided “what if’s” that he could unequivocally date if he wanted to. They are both people that he should stop and could stop based on his code as a vigilante but his attraction to both stops him. He taunts himself with both, he wants that normal life but actively picks two women he could never commit to fully so he picks a persona (Batman and Bruce Wayne) to pursue each, Bruce Wayne can love Talia and ignore her bad sides and Batman can fall for Catwoman and ignore her bad sides but like his own lack of commitment to an identity he can avoid commitment to a woman. … or you know polyamory.

[@rosestar1324]

Catwoman does call him Bruce in arkham knight. Bruce didn't even tell Talia he was dying. Bruce told Catwoman Batman was gonna "die" when he said good bye to her in AK. Catwoman is also a better person morally and is considered more of an anti hero cuz even the other villains see her connection to Batman.

[@JCardo2502]

He loves justice because he is BATMAN!

[@krisj827]

As much as I love Batman and Catwoman together. His love is fighting crime in Gotham

[@superbeltman6197]

The theme of various women just lightly groping Batman as he stands there stoically, doing his best impression of a statue

[@alanagarbig4107]

If you were to say comic or any other Batman universe I’d say Catwoman all the way, however Arkham 100% Talia.

[@justfilms9077]

I like to think he’s just had different one true loves throughout his journey. A bit of head canon but I think his first love was Andrea and something similar to Mask of the Phantasm took place between them. I doubt she became Phantasm in this universe but I think it’s safe to say there was something between them. Then as the years went on he fell for Talia and she became his true love. They had there differences but he still loved her until death. After that as he grew more he started to fall for Catwoman. I doubt he ever stopped loving all the people he loved before her but those times are gone and now Catwoman is his love. It’s more of an arc this way.

[@wilderrr]

If I’m not mistaken I believe the Vikki Vale messages in Knight were supposed to be a nod at Hush using Bruce’s face to go out and have fun. He eventually met up with Vikki and the other people that left him messages, and the real Bruce had nothing to do with it.

[@JWhitlocke]

He loves the jonkler

[@MSTUD10S]

Silver SaintCloud (i probably spelled that incorrectly) is pretty underrated.

[@jlpgamin]

Your not far off from the spelling it's just St Cloud though

[@MSTUD10S]

@@jlpgamin thanks, bro. Inglish hard

[@jlpgamin]

@SebastianEnamorado-pz2ye Zatanna herself has admitted their best as friends

[@YumariYatasuka]

He does... His beloved IS JUSTICE!

[@GrabaCuppaPodcast]

Bruh when you said these games take place "in 4 nights over a 13 year career" that really put it into perspective

[@dencheq]

Arkham Batman definetely loved Joker. He chose to bring out Joker in his arms not Talia. Catwoman too was just a colleague.

[@kovalfetterer2218]

there is an easter egg in arkham origins that involves andrea beaumont aka the phantasm

[@NoOne00]

In the game it seemed like a lot of Batman and Talia's relationship stemmed from shared experience during their youth and not real compatibility on the long run. For example Talia clearly tells him that if he doesn't join her then he needs to die while Selena throws away her goal to save him. Also it always feels like Selena is challenging him more than Talia while also being his ally, they seem to understand and accept each other a lot more. idk but imo the dynamic he has with Selena is more 'show don't tell' while with Talia it's more 'Tell don't show'. The arkham verse feels like it's only laying the groundwork for their relationship: A cat and mouse game in which their feelings become too strong to ignore. And grow into love strong enough to pull Bruce out of his many many tragedies and to help Selina see a life beyond survival and thievery.

[@eliasst2544]

I think that when it comes to Arkham Batman, his true love was Talia. He clearly cared for Selina, but he showed himself very vulnerable when it came to Talia.

[@mcsquizzy77]

It’s me I was the pooki bear all along

[@di11onm1nkgaming]

I think Batman loves Talia the most, however he knows they cannot work out because Talia would never leave the league of assassins. Catwoman on the other hand he does love but also knows that they could potentially work because her crime is far more minor and she is a little bit of a hero as well as she does definitely help him in the games

[@korkronwarlord]

Il always ship Bats and Catwoman. Talia is just as untrustworthy and manipulative as her father.

[@HeyImSupercoo]

Obviously Talia since she knows who he is and helps him

[@jackwang5074]

All of y'all in the comment section is tripping. Obviously, Batman is locked in with the Joker.