Ultimate Tractor Comparison

[@lenardo1970]

I live over in the Dothan area and as a child I remember almost all the smaller farms picked with ford 4000/5000's and old lilliston 1500's slow as grass growing but would run forever. Hustlers got popular and were fast but those 6000 hi-caps were so much more advanced, faster and cleaner sample. Great video as always Patrick.

[@PatrickShivers]

@@lenardo1970 my grandfather had a fleet of Hi-Caps when I was a child.

[@derekmartin2817]

Deere builds a command arm now ive never run one. Its not as big a deal with most row crop things. I ran a caseih 340 with a csx transmission on a grain cart. Variable speed transmission are very nice on grain carts. And so is the programmable buttons on the multifunctional handle. I had all 4 remotes for the cart in it. My brothers brent v1100 cart has a 4 way spout requiring 2 scv. I haven’t gotten the agco dealer to demo us a fendt or massey tractor yet. Most all the tractors on the market now are very good and close in performance. Massey and fendt have very good midsize tractors to go with cattle especially dairy farms.

[@tunisbalboa8137]

Thank you for the video, look forward to see them all running. I remember back in the late 60's and early 70's our picker did not have PTO but had a V4 Air cooled Wisconsin to run the picker. It was loud and mean and late in the day the exhaust manifolds would be glowing. WE pulled that picker with a Ford Jubilee lol. Grew up right next to the National Peanut Festival Grounds.

[@PatrickShivers]

I bet Couldn’t nobody hear a thing at the end of the day and y’all were all so dirty you couldn’t tell who was black or white. When I was younger, in the 80s, grandpa had a fleet of hi-cap pickers pulled by open can 4020s. Everybody was dirt colored at the end of each day.

[@tunisbalboa8137]

@@PatrickShivers Yes, we stripped down outside and showered with a garden hose in the dark. Great times.

[@ChuckWorkman-y6x]

Patrick, thank you for sharing about the Task Star grease gun! I hope the Case cab designers take a lesson from the Massey Ferguson and Versatile cabs! Another great video, thank you Sir!

[@JsixstringS]

The 8s is a mid size frame tractor with a smaller 7.4L engine hope you could demo the new 9s with the bigger engine and frame to properly compare to the case and JD that have bigger engine and frame size On another note even though you didnt have a Fendt the Massey is what i call the poor mans Fendt. Sisu engine with the Fendt CVT great match up

[@jonsolomon4814]

The new Massey’s are really nice, I have heard that they have made some great changes.

[@John-nc4bl]

Excellent video Patrick and thanks for making it for us.

[@PatrickShivers]

Thanks for watching

[@luisnunes7933]

Hello, Patrick! Fine video about our favorite toys...

[@dufinsmrts]

Yup those electric greese guns are nice we got a DeWalt one 👍

[@Signaturegen2]

Hey Patrick If you have the time and the patience Get your local hose man to put grease fittings where the nipple are and run external lines to a grease bank It takes time, costs a little bit of coin But we did it to a few of our more grease reliant machines and over a year the time it cut in greasing actually paid for the whole set up twice in labour/time costs And you don’t get dirty at all which is a nice bonus

[@PatrickShivers]

My daily grease routine with the picker is almost all universal joints, no banking them.

[@Signaturegen2]

@@PatrickShivers Copy on the uni Joints Definitely no banking on them haha 😝 I am personally waiting for the video when you have a new Massey Very keen to see your opinion of them if you run one for a few thousand hours

[@ClevelandBaldwin-w2n]

Awesome video Patrick lot of knowledge thanks

[@PatrickShivers]

@@ClevelandBaldwin-w2n thanks for watching!

[@philipplemons3397]

No Deere 4960?! I thought they were the best. Great video as always! Keep it up

[@stevenarnold1960]

They are

[@RobertOther-d1h]

It would be cool to run some " old school " side by side . Thanks for the video .

[@PatrickShivers]

I’m currently running the 4960 in place of the MF 8s in this same pack. So one old school with a fleet of modern

[@johndeere7245]

What I've seen, a Colombo picker shines if you run consistently dry nuts. They'll pick green, but they don't like it. If you can wait an extra day and get the vines dry enough to get crispy, they'll flat out run. IMO the Colombo's hat trick is the flex head, they just pick so smooth and gentle with the belt feed as opposed to a conventional head, plus just the fact that they do adjust to the contour of the ground. I'd love to see one run one in our terraced land. I'll say too, a Colombo rotor is very much like a rotor combine, the more power you can put on the front of it and the more material you can feed it, the happier they seem to pick, they don't like inconsistency, a conventional cylinder picker is way more forgiving. As far as the KMC goes, there is no comparison to a 7406 from a 3386/3376. 7406 is way more aggressive, it would run in that weather no problem. Neighbors have a fleet of 4, they picked peanuts that had got a foot of rain off Helene after they got dug. I ain't going to say it was pretty, but they ran them with the strippers only about a third of the way in. They are very aggressive pickers. Did run slow in those conditions, those pickers ate a lot of wet dirt, but this is the third year they have run them and it was the first time they ever stopped one up. Having the roller separator on the back instead of the rack, they don't give near the issue running in cloddy ground filling up the rack with rocks. No eccentrics on them now either, everything is bearings. Trash spinners driven off the hydraulics. The biggest thing with the new KMCs though is they have remote controls now, can set the strippers, separator air, and lift air all from the cab on a screen, as well as the controls if it has unload on the go, a good operator can really dial them in. I'm not sure if they have added dial a speed yet to the headers on them yet. And I don't know about picking 5 miles per hour, but I know in the good running we have had, watched them pick 75 acres with 4 machines in a good day's running, 5000ish pound nuts, they got up to 5th gear late in the afternoon so they were scooting, picked most in 4th. (8R280 and 8270R Deere's). 7406 is a definite advancement, it is every bit the equal to an Amadas. I would like to see an Amadas rotary run a little more, to me they look like the halfway house with the cylinder threshing up front and using the rotors to do the separating, first time I saw one I said it looked like a redux of a Lilliston HiCap. Still haven't seen one in the field actually working though, from what I hear there isn't much of an advantage to them over a conventional 2120. If they were going to shine though, they should have this October. Once we got past the hurricane, it has been some of the best picking weather I can remember in YEARS, cool, clear, dry, and not much humidity. Hope to hear your thoughts on video on the Massey now that you've run it. Not that I am in any danger of buying one, but I would like to hear some real world experience. I have fell in love with those 8S tractors just looking them over and sitting in them at the Expo the past two years, the visibility out the cab and just the way the cab and armrests have been laid out is unparalleled in my opinion. We've always favored Massey on our farm, however I'm not really a fan of the smaller models, they remind me of a 6M series Deere and I am not that partial to those tractors either. I do not like small cabs on new tractors, I'm too tall and they're too small. If I wanted a tractor with a small cab, I'd buy a 4450 Deere with a Soundgard and not pay a premium for new iron. Honestly would consider a Kubota M7 Deluxe if I were going to buy a new tractor in that horsepower range just because I like that cab more than anything else on the market. That said, for a larger tractor, larger framed, the Massey 8S is the same size as a 7R Deere, and for 6 row farming, they look like they would be a nice fit, at least in my mind. I look forward to seeing it do a little work on video and hear some thoughts on it.

[@PatrickShivers]

I don’t think Amadas has got their rotary picker dialed in yet, as I don’t know anyone that runs one and there aren’t any/many videos of them operating either. I have offered to run one on video for them. Amadas is higher quality than Colombo so if they can figure out the rotary thing they will once again own the industry.

[@roncason1993]

Any chance of you videoing that pecan harvest?

[@PatrickShivers]

I will definitely video the shelling, not sure if I’ll do the harvest

[@justlooking2013]

Hey Patrick, when you guys changed the engine on that 8285R how many hours was on that previous engine?

[@PatrickShivers]

@@justlooking2013 we’ve done 3. All were 7,000-7,500

[@justlooking2013]

@ @ thanks I’m looking to buy myself my first big tractor and I wanted to know how many hours were there. I’m trying to cut it close on hours. I don’t want to buy one and then have it break down. I’m looking for 2500-6500.

[@PatrickShivers]

@ my brothers in law likes them a lot now that he has the laptop/software and we have basically worked on everything but the transmissions. He has run with regin and exhaust filter deleted and with them both in operation. We’ve replaced all the turbos at-least once each. Once you learn how to work on them, and have the tools to do so they are good tractors

[@PatrickShivers]

@ check out Deanco’s next auction. I think it’s the day before Thanksgiving. A couple tractors similar to what you’re looking for. 8310R & 8330

[@pc5569]

Good Lord has provided you some sun so get to picking 😅. Saw the short so now I'm even more interested in your assessment.

[@daleroskydal3027]

😎👍🚜 Great video 🇺🇲🇺🇲🙏

[@peanutsmith1462]

I would love to see someone picking peanuts at 5 mph that’s a sight to see

[@PatrickShivers]

@@peanutsmith1462 I’d love to see how many peanuts were riding out the back

[@MarshallLanier]

​@@PatrickShiversmy neighbor has one of the newer Amadas AR2200 pickers with unload on the go, and he's running at 3.5mph. And that's a scalded dog in a peanut field.

[@stevangucu522]

With that pressurizing feature, Massey's cab is a literary space station!

[@PatrickShivers]

@@stevangucu522 it looks like you could control the International Space Station from inside that thing. It’s crazy how much tech is now available in tractors.

[@johndoyle6697]

Claas is green too.

[@Rudysray]

I've been schooled by an older farmer. It's a zerk! Alamiite is brand name!

[@PatrickShivers]

@@Rudysray I didn’t know that. I have heard product specialists call them zerks but I thought that was just a new term for alamite. Thanks for the info

[@jamespetty9545]

Fendt sure missed out on this opportunity.

[@michaelporter8582]

I’m picking about 1.3 to 1.4 running a kmc

[@PatrickShivers]

@@michaelporter8582 that’s a pretty good speed. I generally run 0.9-1.3. What model are you pulling?

[@michaelporter8582]

@ the 3376 kmc

[@brycekirby1567]

Thanks

[@PatrickShivers]

Thanks for watching

[@benbricker890]

What about New Holland?

[@PatrickShivers]

@@benbricker890 there are no 100+ hp New Hollands within a few hundred miles of here.

[@darrellbridwell588]

Mr. Patrick I know grease guns, we first met in the summer of 1980 and still using one. There is no love for the gun.

[@PatrickShivers]

“We first met in the summer of ‘80” 🤣

[@johngreer8101]

What about new holland

[@PatrickShivers]

@@johngreer8101 no dealers for several hundred miles with actual farm size equipment. They only have under 60hp tractors down here.

[@tugboat2739]

Howdy Mr peanut 🥜

[@cecilchristopher5092]

New topic, what about them "come back EAGLES "!😊

[@PatrickShivers]

@@cecilchristopher5092 GATA! A W is a W but I feel like we’re having to “come back” too often. I’m anxious for the CrApp State game.

[@cecilchristopher5092]

I'm anxious about all three remaining games! Do you ever make it to any of the home games?

[@PatrickShivers]

@ I go to Troy when the Eagles come as it is only 1.5 hours away. I haven’t made a home game since I graduated, but until we had our third kid my wife and I would go to a different away game every year. We’ve seen the Eagles at LSU, AU (also very close to home), Gag State, UGA, and GT.

[@John-nc4bl]

No CIH or Challenger tractors.

[@John-nc4bl]

Correction, I did not see the CIH at the beginning of the video when I posted the comment.

[@PatrickShivers]

Agco makes MF. They (Agco) discontinued the Challenger line

[@billyscruggs9800]

You didn't have the BEST TRACTOR THAT'S NEW HOLLAND!!!

[@PatrickShivers]

@@billyscruggs9800 I would LOVE for New Holland to send a demo over. There are NO New Hollands over 100hp anywhere near here.

[@danmorgan8745]

Patrick have you been around the amadas 2200 picker

[@PatrickShivers]

@ I have been up close to it at the Expo, never seen one run though.

[@johndeere7245]

@@PatrickShivers The only thing that changes between a Case IH and a New Holland is the control scheme in the cab, the guts of them are the same. If you ran one you know how the other will perform. Easiest way to explain it is if you were to compare them to Deere, all with CVT transmissions, the Case IH control scheme would work like a Deere IVT where you push the lever forwards and back to adjust speed like a hydro, and the New Holland works like CommandPRO or a Fendt style controller, got to hold a trigger on the joystick to adjust speed. I think it is a shame how badly CNH has let New Holland lose marketshare down here. I've held the opinion for years that CNH needs to put both brands under one roof at the same dealerships, and focus CaseIH on agronomics (Tillage/Planters/Sprayers) and New Holland on hay and forage, keep offering the dual lines of tractors so people can choose rather blue or red.

[@PatrickShivers]

@ so they are like Fendt and Massey Ferguson.