Unbeatable Strategy? (cheat to win)

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[@antarcticaresearchprogram8349]

"Legate, we could surround his forces and charge his flanks with our cavalry from up the mountain. Why show such restraint?" "Quiet, Centurion. To cross the great red line is to succumb to barbarism."

[@lukeinvictus]

LOL this game is utterly preposterous but thats why i like it

[@alexanderstrickland9036]

No one crosses the pomerium

[@capadociaash8003]

Not even Ceaser would cross that rubicon

[@miles_garcia]

this has to be one of the most ridiculously unfavorable wins ever man imagine being so bad u cant win given the situation here

[@SWBGTOC]

I mean the guy was probably just taunting random people hoping some idiot would get angry enough to waste an hour climbing a mountain while he's alt-tabbed doing something else

[@miles_garcia]

@SWBGTOC i mean you're definitely right but u still gotta win the game here lmao he clearly was making some attempt or he'd just stand there

[@javiermercado1996]

@@miles_garcia Exactly, he moved his units, proving he was trying. So he lost his opportunity to play the troll card "i didnt care i wasnt even looking". This guy was trying and crying XD.

[@Jakkaribik1]

@@SWBGTOC No matter what he still lost the game and thus a fair win

[@spitfyr9566]

I would have said: "If you want to have an easy battle, have fun with the AI" and left.

[@lukeinvictus]

Cuz ur well adjusted

[@MARK-gp9hb]

Romans never surrender

[@ukee31]

@@lukeinvictus lol perfect response

[@jpaschl]

I don't blame you he's hardly even playing the game I would be pissed too

[@johnroscoe2406]

@@lukeinvictus Nah. I mean props to you for beating him anyway, but trolls like that shouldn't be indulged in the first place. I'd have said the same thing and left. Nothing maladjusted about that.

[@TamaHawkLive]

Its funny because this guys cheese allowed you to make probably one of the most accurate depictions of how Romans fought. Most of their battle engagements were grind slogs, with few lines advancing in to wear the enemy down just like you did here. Good win.

[@cpp3221]

It's such a shame TW don't take into account the push. Having romans pushing through sarissa to get close and personnal like this would be so funny

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

@@cpp3221 I've literally had a city battle where our side was Romans just brute-forcing Spartans.

[@antarcticaresearchprogram8349]

Very well done. You had less men, twice as many kills, and about 2/3's of your army was able to make it home. It really demonstrates the biggest threat to corner campers; routing will instantly remove one of your units from the battlefield. As an attacker, there's a chance a routing unit may return, but in any case, the battle shall end very quickly once its decided.

[@lukeinvictus]

thank you sir!

[@lankykong5895]

I've fought this same guy you are fighting MF atleast 10 times on medieval 2, he's a known troll that always pulls things like this.

[@felipegome1]

Where can I play online Total War?

[@clubbythe]

​@@felipegome1 you need to download more ram It will give you access automatically

[@sector3475]

Why one can't just bring 1 catapult?..

[@auxlongnumber5319]

On Steam or Game Ranger​@@felipegome1

[@eggmin8967]

​@@felipegome1hehe asian servers always be empty

[@marccamp6376]

The title of this video, but applied to real life 'They will acknowledge the game is rigged from the very start, yet they'll get mad at you for cheating'

[@birch98]

Sounds like a casino haha

[@mcdull68]

“Play like a gentleman, and you be respected.”

[@nelus7276]

Poor boy.

[@marccamp6376]

@@mcdull68 That never happens irl, ONLY between men of honor you will see respect for the quality of character. Play by rules with the common folk and you will be defeated by the million cheaters around you

[@Gigantotherium]

Honestly feels like a real Romans vs. Greeks battle. Greeks having the homefield advantage and using tactics they've been using for centuries, only to lose to what is on paper a laughable strategy by the Romans purely because the Greeks were overconfident and the Romans were suicidally determined.

[@lukeinvictus]

thats why this game is awesome

[@topkekm8817]

I feel bad doing this to the ai, doing this online is genuinely one of the lamest things ever lol

[@lukeinvictus]

Yeah, the only thing worse is when people use the command to kick you from the game and then play against the AI.

[@szymonrozanski6938]

@@lukeinvictus Wait another player can just kick you from match whenever?

[@lukeinvictus]

yes@@szymonrozanski6938

[@carltonace1606]

Well, that answer my question as to "Why can't you just wait for him to come to you and bleed his time?"

[@Jpz_38t]

True, i only used this 'tactic' against rebel armies when they got too annoying in late game.

[@muhammetmantu276]

You know once Earth told me "if I know luke, he wouldnt mind to stay in a battle on rtw for 3 days just for a win" LMFAO

[@lukeinvictus]

True

[@102728]

So the guy did a cheap cheese, but managed to do it so poorly that he still failed? Now that is quality entertainment. Well done!

[@alexhenderson4263]

I would have just set my army up and watched tv. Let him sit there and stare at me for a few hours.

[@jesucristobostero3287]

hahhahahah I was thinking the same

[@javiermercado1996]

I thought about corner camping, and in my opinion there is a easy solution for it. Make it so the closer your units are to a border, the less morale they recover passively, and when too close, even lose morale passively.

[@easytanksgaming3238]

Or have adding temporary zone after red line, not that big but enough to flank. And units in that zone will lose morale/health over time, so u can flank the cornercamper if u fast enough))

[@javiermercado1996]

@@easytanksgaming3238 That was my first thought, and it would be an improvement indeed, but you could still cornercamp with a complete pikebox, with the extra of having two side almost invulnerable. The units that try to flank to attack you would get the penalty and rout.

[@elyastoohey6621]

had the same thought

[@easytanksgaming3238]

@javiermercado1996 yeah u totally right. That's why conversation is needed in socium, to show the question from all sides

[@VynalDerp]

imo an easy way would be to just cut corners. make it a diagonal line... this would prevent semi-circles and at the very least, stretch out and significantly weaken this kind of defense. It may even open up a flanking opportunity, too, as soft angles are harder to cover in TW than hard angles due to the rectangular units.

[@MrShoe321]

Great job reading that guy like a book betting that he wouldn't reinforce the side you were attacking immediately. An excellent lesson on game sense and getting in your opponents head

[@lukeinvictus]

thanks for the kind words :)

[@spookrockcity]

Glad you crushed this guy

[@ZevesG]

theese old dead game communities always have massive toxic no lifers.

[@lukeinvictus]

I guess that applies equally to me and my opponent :D

[@jag452]

Glad you beat this guy, what a tool. Also it's great you got the modified zoom camera, its nice to see everything.

[@taowroland8697]

I think the way pila works is that the closer you are to the enemy, the less triangulation there is between your models and the enemies, and so there is less overlap and overkill on individual models. Essentially you are targeting more models by virtue of each one being closer to your own individual models-i don't think the "damage" per pila changes with distance. Thats why loose formation loses fewer in exchanges compared to tight formation-there is less overkill on the enemy. I think that there is some under explored potential in doing more column-based pila fights where you only have the front couple ranks throwing pila, so they have a surplus of targets, while recieving a massive amount of overkill on the few exposed models in the front of the formation. There could also be value in timing your pila throws to have longer gaps between them, so that the enemy formation can automatically repopulate the front lines between throws, reducing overkill.

[@lukeinvictus]

I meant damage in a results sort of way not in terms of the actual damage statistic

[@taowroland8697]

@@lukeinvictus I know man, I was just expanding on the idea.

[@jkgzjhp1705]

world needs more people like you

[@lukeinvictus]

[@LOLERXP]

When an unstoppable force meets a movable object

[@robdom91]

Holy! You opponent didn't know who he was up against. You clearly had much greater tactical knowledge. I've played this game a lot, but I never even came close to your level. You were vicious with your Brutii! Flawless tactic. Truly impressive!

[@lukeinvictus]

thank you, very kind words :)

[@Xouxi]

I started an online game with my in-law last weekend and we were amazed MP games were still going. Kudos to you, great battle and video.

[@evanbillington2585]

Insane video, hats off to you for defeating this doom noob box

[@subatomicseal7789]

Question: Would artillery have helped here? It's been a million years since I played RTW so I don't remember how useful artillery is, but seeing that clumped-up formation makes me want to drop a flaming onager round in there SO bad

[@necromancer803]

This was a so called 31k battle. With 31k ruleset artillery is banned. Generally artillery is quite RNG dependant but in this case it could be good indeed

[@lukeinvictus]

Yep it would have helped but he stipulated no artillery, and I followed the rules

[@jammyjimmy666]

I've played against this guy more than once. The first time he "got" me and I just said "gj on being so bad you have to edit the game this much in your favour I guess" and left. The second time I recognised the username and ignored his stipulation for no artillery and did exactly that - turned his entire army into fiery red mist before he realised what I'd done, and when he whined about it I laughed at him. The 3rd time I did the same, he saw my army and instantly said "fuck off" in the chat and left 😂😂

[@thecoolbyzantine24]

@@jammyjimmy666based

[@CaiC]

Only ever played medieval 2 but this was a joy to watch. Way to stick with it.

[@CrunchyNorbert]

one time some kid started just mouthing off at me in the pregame so I just bought praetorians and onagers because f him

[@lukeinvictus]

thats why I love rtw, the random unhinged beef

[@kakiboi8267]

I never have seen this game but i really enjoy watching it

[@lukeinvictus]

Glad you enjoyed it! You should give it a shot, this game is awesome.

[@oddersisadog]

I did a personal challenge once. In Rome 2. I tried to migrate the entire kingdom of Sparta to the British Isles and conquer it. I did this strat. I had one army that won every battle it fought...except one. No one wins a hundred chances. I fought 5 battle in a row outnumbered each time. Battle 1, 2 armies 5k vs my 3k. Second battle 3k, vs my 2.2k. 3rd battle, 2k vs my 1k. 4th, 700 vs my 200. Each battle was fought in the corner with a forest to block archer and projectiles. Legendary difficulty. The final battle was one last desperate attempt my 45 men vs 300 of theirs. I tried to kill their general and almost did. This is how I won a few of these previous engagements.

[@JarlAmbition]

If you corner camp with Spartan spam and still lose, you are by far the worst player in the history of RTW

[@matthewryan2060]

“This is where we hold the line…..lines..”

[@imiltiades332]

gg im so happy you won vs whatever was that guy

[@lukeinvictus]

thanks :)

[@Echo213zzz]

gg cant believe u won this

[@logangustavson]

If missile fire works the same way it does in Medieval 2, shooting the enemys "unshielded" side doesn't matter; as long as you are hitting a flank you are getting a bonus to missile fire.

[@logangustavson]

Specifically, you will negate half their shield bonus at the flank and negate ALL their shield stat if hitting them from behind. Hitting their left or right side doesn't signify

[@lukeinvictus]

@@logangustavson it matters on Rome 1.

[@russianhorde]

Until the end I was thinking: plot twist! You were the Greeks all along!

[@SuperMitch1995]

No idea what this game is or why it popped up on my feed but it kept me interested the whole time, GG's

[@lukeinvictus]

[@microartifact360]

Man I used to loooooooove corner camping back in the Rome days. Not because of trolling, which was fun, but because I’m just a piece of sh!t

[@lazysunside]

Spartans: Hah! I'm protected by the great red wall of Greece! Roman: Brinng in the Mangonel Spartan: Mago what?

[@thecoolbyzantine24]

artillery in this battle would be so funny

[@Dan-bv3mf]

How did he lose... HOW. He could have won in half a dozen different ways

[@lukeinvictus]

the kind of person to use such a braindead tactic is ...well...

[@thecoolbyzantine24]

@@lukeinvictusbraindead people have braindead tactics

[@baryonyxwalkeri3957]

Impressive. You said he insulted you in the beginning of the match. How did he react to losing?

[@kacperoleszkiewicz1621]

Great video man, you clapped him nice👏👏👏

[@lukeinvictus]

Thanks man, glad you enjoyed!

[@mrplimbles7803]

As someone who does the Pokey stick Circle tactic against the AI I am fully happy that you beat this man. Like why even bother playing the game at this point he's essentially not doing anything. Big props to yourself for the win! Its interesting that Massed cavalry still get bully/push power against Pikemen

[@theyedmeister6981]

A truly Roman fight: full front, direct combat

[@thecoolbyzantine24]

on even terrain…

[@FSBMateus]

Well, this expression applies to this scenario, the guy played stupid games, he earned stupid prizes, he got defeat from the jaws of victory and you did the impossible, congrats, nice battle.

[@DavidDundee91]

ladies and gentlemen....WE GOT HIM!

[@Wulff1990]

Amazing, the other guy had countless opportunities to turn the tide in his favour, he was too cocky with his noob strat

[@pp-wo1sd]

Seems like the heavily blobbed up formation worked in your favour as I can't see the hoplites putting their spears down (or maybe your opponent forgot)

[@romanmeneghinister1584]

Whats more interesting is the redeployment of units to face the archers ignoring the corner that was getting pelted

[@praetoriancorps]

I remember doing some cheezy stupid strategies in the early days of barbarian invasion. 3 roman armies. I hid my full sarmation cav in the forest waiting for the other 2 armies to duke it out. Joke was on me ofcourse cause of scored resolution. Even his corner camp is bad tho. You'd want to have some extra space to keep units in reserve to reinforce the lines. or am I crazy?

[@cpt.flinch3930]

You got my subscription. Could you work on your camera control? The constant erratic movement and especially the zooming made me somewhat dizzy.

[@lukeinvictus]

I can but it’s also 10 years of tournament play has ingrained certain habits that may be a bit jarring to look at

[@Venatorion]

Another Troll Noob Box added to the collection

[@Jonathan-bu7iv]

I can't remember how artillery works in Rome, but seriously, I'd rather always bring one piece against any faction that would probably go heavy into hoplites. It forces them to not just sit and be defensive cunts. Edit: Also, jesus christ. The way he set up his units is bonkers. He could've easily set up several layers of spears with plenty of room for his archers. But instead he just massed them in a single clump in the corner where they couldn't move. Absolutely perplexing.

[@lukeinvictus]

He had a no art rule

[@mattbader9480]

@@lukeinvictusbecause of course he did

[@Jonathan-bu7iv]

@@lukeinvictus lmfao. Gotta love it.

[@LordWyatt]

You won without Scythian Mounted Archers. *Respect.*

[@badonkadonk6655]

With a Medieval 2 TW copy upcoming to Roblox, I'm taking notes with this gut feeling there'll be a lot of players using this darn tactics xD

[@internetguy2760]

There’s a total war-esque game on Roblox? I didn’t know the engine could handle a type of game like that. What is it called?

[@Cutepanda1943]

@@internetguy2760 Spearhead, their is a gameplay trailer on KZbin and it will release sometime this summer.

[@captainmarkusposinus]

Had you known the kind of army and strategy your opponent was going to take, would you have taken a different army composition to this game? would you have included any artillery (assuming they can climb such steep inclines)?

[@lukeinvictus]

Artillery would have been extremely effective here, however the answer is no because the rules of the game that the player hosted for were “31k” which is a rule set that bans artillery. So I’m glad I won fair and square, even if my opponent didn’t play fair.

[@Justin-ShalaJC]

Good Job Brother! It is great that you were able to defeat this pathetic Rome player, whose only contribution to the game is building a map that he thinks he's invincible in that takes an hour to start.. what satisfaction does this dude get out of corner camping? Its baffling... If you can't win, learn how the effing game works.

[@Neckromorph]

Always satisfying to see a cheap player get what they deserve. Amazing win and better than I could've possibly done. I would've been stubborn as hell and just stood there, tabbed out to do something else, and wait until time ran out or until they left the match

[@julianbell8175]

Well done! That other guy should be ashamed.

[@jaronzennaiter]

Some close ups would have been nice

[@lukeinvictus]

Yea I’ll try to work on the camera stuff. I operate the cam with my mouse, which isn’t ideal for video making

[@eas2252]

I'd go to the next highest corner, set up my defense, turn the game volume way up, and walk away. Go fix dinner. Clean the house or something. File taxes. Let him quit.

[@saeed31419]

Would have been so satisfying if you had mangonels to hit his packed units, still a great victory though.

[@lukeinvictus]

He had the foresight to ban artillery

[@hurryhussar]

No point fighting one who barely actually played. I would have quitted right seeing this 😂. Great job!

[@barukkazhad8998]

I play local games against my son...the most fun is when we go down through the nations and let the game pick our armies 😂

[@lukeinvictus]

That’s so cool

[@matimatex1589]

absolute fucking legend thank you for your service

[@taowroland8697]

I for one appreciate the complete waste of time this was.

[@lukeinvictus]

It was truly staggering

[@PixzL.]

prince of macedon would be so proud...

[@MercytheMad]

Nice one!

[@cyrusthegreat5434]

Beautiful chain route in the end.

[@MeowMeow-ij9dk]

Well done. On paper this is impossible to beat, but this is such a bad player he didn’t know what to do when actually challenged. Good job getting him to just use swords and not spears. Not sure what he was doing. Maybe he was packed in so tightly his cohorts were technically readjusting and thus not laying down their spears. Many were pointed up? The packed in archers were hilarious. He couldn’t really fire effectively. Also I think he watched 300 and figured the Spartans were invincible. They’re glass cannon defensively; their main power is offensively on the right flank. He would have had a better time with a larger turtle formation, like a convex. Mostly armored hoplites, which have superior defense. Then send in Spartans to back up once the opponent commits. If you place the Spartans just behind the armored hoplites, you get the best of both worlds; armored shields with spartan spears. I like how you punched through with a fist of swords and cav. The opponent had no idea what to do to seal up a gap.

[@lukeinvictus]

Yes I certainly couldn’t have won without the assistance of my opponent’s ineptitude. Once my units get close enough to his they automatically use swords unless ordered not to (with halt or something), so it was just a matter of getting past his initial line of spears.

[@Phobos1483]

How hard is it to make a map that broadens and moves the red line as both armies get closer to it? In modern TW games, it should be very possible to even make the game generate more map, so that two armies can practically keep marching in one direction for days on end. But even just a slight shift of the red line once the armies both get close to it would prevent corner camping entirely.

[@lukeinvictus]

Corner camping isn’t really a widespread problem anyway, and some people prefer that the battle be contained, for the same reason that people like a boxing match to be in a ring rather than in a wide open field

[@UltramanII]

It seems the downside of this corner strategy is also pretty obvious - when a unit rout it would immediately quit the battle map, unlike usually you can regroup many of the routing units.

[@lukeinvictus]

thats true but you should never be losing units in the first place fighting downhill

[@albdamned577]

I wish they would fix this edge guard bs, I think the simplest way is to make a unit more likely to flee the longer and closer it is to the edge. That way in a situation like this you wait in the center a let him break and run…

[@takaetono6773]

Satisfying AF!

[@rbfishcs123]

I used this strat in the 2002 world championships to defeat PoM and High_King, I then went onto placing 1st on the next intel open qualifier and secured the following years tournament round at Balmer-con

[@lukeinvictus]

2002 world championships of what, the game came out in 2004

[@rbfishcs123]

@@lukeinvictusFor RTW - only a hand picked few elite gamers were selected by the inner circle at CA to bring RTW to the forefront of modern esports at the time. We were known as, 'the few'.

[@lukeinvictus]

@@rbfishcs123 haha ok you got me

[@kylerowley8248]

Yeah, I'd of been to stubborn to leave too, difference is I would have lost.

[@Danymok]

Hordan needs to touch some grass

[@lukeinvictus]

Me too xd

[@SteveNoBeard]

Sweet catharsis

[@TtotheCizzel]

I cant imagine what goes through the mind of a man who corner camps on multiplayer. I imagine most people will just quit when they see it because who wants to do that fight

[@redcoatgaming4141]

I mean I did the cheese strat on my friend on a bridge map ( block a bridge with a phalanx and watch the meat grinder) I did then beat him mutiple times on a flat maps just to show it was not a fluke tbf to me my mate didn't care at least he didn't admit he cared and he kicked my arse in cossacks I corner camp the AI would only do what the troll did if it was a "Yep I lost this game but I'm going to bring down as many of you as possible)

[@nigredoooalgown6245]

One unit of arty would have made him regret that position very quickly. (Onagars, balista) This is why I like TW Warhammer, everyone either has a unit or a spell that will punish this sort of thing harshly.

[@Linnecke]

Dude, this camper has not a single bit of honor. He pulled every possible advantage existing and really thinks a win would be something he could brag about? He lost in every single way possible. I hope he never touches a pc again.

[@lukeinvictus]

Yep, it feels so good when these people try so hard to stack the deck and still fail.

[@abrvalg321]

Imagine if you had artillery))

[@lukeinvictus]

banned in the rules he hosted for

[@zanthimos]

That was awesome! Did he rage at you afterwards?

[@lukeinvictus]

no he just exited the lobby lol

[@ML8443]

The hill was a good idea but corner camping only works against the ai

[@carltonace1606]

It has been ages since I played RTW. I was never good at online battles, but gods help us, I never tried this corner nonsense. I liked playing flat maps even though a more astute player typically beat me easily. Hills don't really allow much in maneuvering, and hey, I might lose but at least it's interesting.

[@lukeinvictus]

Yeah I mean it’s so obviously cheap I can’t believe anyone over 12 is doing this but here we are

[@jimgray7281]

I sort of wonder if this strategy would be viable if you had artillery. I mean the fact that their units are so cramped would make them an amazing target for it.

[@lukeinvictus]

it wouldnt which is why he banned art in the rules

[@jimgray7281]

@@lukeinvictusWhat a scumbag

[@blady3283]

Bro really just Julius Ceasar'ed him, this is beyond awesome

[@lukeinvictus]

Thanks man :) I’m glad you enjoyed the video

[@danielsmith8837]

He definitely didnt even read the situation correctly. He should have been doing the same as you were regardless of advantage. Mirror your archers positions to counter or at the least, mobilize spartan phalanx to push your cohorts and give him an angle to fire into your unshielded side. He definitely shouldnt have clumped so hard either. No room to spread archers out for clean fire and avoid cramped volleys killing his own men faster. You fought hard for a win against a moronic opponent and you earned it.

[@Jakkaribik1]

Using Stange Unfair Tactics would need some Kind of Punishment but Over One Hour going over Hills just shows how effective this would have been IRL. Congrats to you beating a No Skill User

[@lukeinvictus]

Thanks !

[@joebob3683]

It's been years since I played, but aren't the armored hoplites a lot better at defending than Spartans?

[@lukeinvictus]

They have a higher defense stat, but having a higher attack is better for holding a position like this, because urbans are superior to anything in sword range. Doing more damage to them as they try to get past the spears is the most important trait.

[@torgomaghanyan7633]

Literally my strat in any game against romans😂 never failed at least ones. On grasslands it’s going hord, it’s doable with Armenia, Scythia and Parthia )

[@bryrye4545]

A true heroic win.

[@jarvee9407]

I randomly stubled on this video... I played med2 and late total wars... Where are his missiles, at that point he should have just piled them all into one small square and not spread at all. If I were him I would bring missiles and made the formation bigger for misseles to shoot. Also he must have been blind as he missed the bulge which you used nicely agaist him. The cav here is interesting as in this engine the cav could be used to shatter even pike formation if mixed with infantry and rammed against the enemy line. If people camp corner they should do it properly.

[@lukeinvictus]

Well, anyone who is enough of a goofball to corner hill camp in an MP game is not the sharpest tool in the shed to begin with. Definitely not the best expose of skills, but a fun meme game

[@SpielkindFR]

Whats with the adhd camera movement?

[@lukeinvictus]

adhd

[@AliothAncalagon]

I would have corner camped on the other side of the map to see what happens.

[@yetipotato8567]

I dont understand why the opponent didnt go a bit forward to give more space for his archers and lenghtening the frontline. Sure the line would be thinner but come on he has spartan hoplites, they can hold the line. A Rush attack could even gotten some of the cavary. Absolute one trick pony

[@lukeinvictus]

He could have also just rushed me at one of the many points where I was exhausted on the ascent of the hill. I would have been completely unable to flee.

[@CommsDanielHession]

Cheesy strategy for the Spartans

[@Overlord734]

Hi, don't you kow about a litle trick of breaking phalanxes from the front using testudo formation?

[@lukeinvictus]

I do, yes.

[@Overlord734]

@@lukeinvictusIt would've fun to punish that dude that way. :) "My cheese is stronger than yours!"

[@derhansl7666]

Good Job, a veteran would have won this easy but hey! No veteran would be sitting in the corner like a baby😂

[@benz888]

I hope you dropped a big HAHAHAHHAHA in the chat after you won. Well done! Hopefully they uninstalled the game after this humiliating defeat.

[@lukeinvictus]

I did verbatim that xd

[@Bear_Feces]

5 bucks says you were playing a 12 year old Serbian.