Uncovering the Secret Symbols of Göbekli Tepe and Beyond: Lost Myths and Ancient Rituals

[@Crecganford]

What are your theories about the symbols and iconography at these sites?

[@andrewcutler4599]

The fall of Adam and Eve in Genesis is a story about new religious ideas about self-awareness. The Bible says agriculture resulted from eating the fruit (i.e., becoming self-aware). I think that these are memories of an actual religious movement that preceded agriculture and that the snakes at Gobekli Tepe are Lucifer, the light-bringer. If myths about sea-level rise can last 10,000 years, why wouldn't we retain cultural memories of the transition to agriculture. BTW, these are not my ideas. See Jacques Cauvin, an esteemed archeologist who wrote The Birth of the Gods and the Origins of Agriculture.

[@wearethebanned]

@@andrewcutler4599 I suspect that our ancIent ancestors were aware of the dangers of rapId technologIcal advance, and the symbols and Iconography represent a contemporary dIscussIon. GenesIs contInues thIs dIscussIon.

[@prunabluepepper]

05:42 the man is holding a slingshot.

[@yukifoxscales]

One of the foxes looks like its in a hunting pounce, and I find it interesting the animals represented. And thank you so much for sharing this.

[@JonnoPlays]

The vulture holding the orb reminded me of the Neolithic round balls found in England.

[@AncientArchitects]

It was great to share the adventure to Turkey with you mate!

[@Crecganford]

It was Matt, and one day I'm sure we'll talk history rather than footy!

[@JonnoPlays]

​@@Crecganford two of my favorite channels

[@AncientArchitects]

@@JonnoPlayshey Jonno!

[@mikkel6938]

Only 20 minutes in, and this is already one of the most enlightening perspectives on the sites that I've ever heard from anyone! Thank you for your amazing insight Jon!

[@Crecganford]

Thank you for yor very kind words, they are appreciated.

[@dreamok732]

Thankyou. Gobekli Tepe has been waiting 10,000 years for this video!

[@LaJokanan]

I'm using the auto-generated subtitles and they keep rendering "auroch" as "orc", which adds a whole new dimension to our ancestral journey.

[@Crecganford]

Perhaps I should deliberately try and get more subtle Lord of the Rings references into these videos.

[@Crowhag]

How exciting! Thank you for the adventure, Jon.

[@Crecganford]

Thank you for coming along with me.

[@Sealia77]

That was fantastic, I've never seen all the pillars presented like that.

[@Crecganford]

Thank you so much.

[@TheImmortalArt]

I wish we could see the whole of that area how it was in its "golden age"... Great video Jon!

[@Crecganford]

Thank you!

[@smillstill]

Thanks for the exclusive look into all this newly revealed ancient iconography. We see more and more signs of starting civilization at 9000-10,000 BCE the more we look. There is so much here I hope we can get further answers to in the future.

[@DorchesterMom]

Jon, it’s sincerely refreshing the way you speculate with caution and with measured reason to leave things open. You are right, we may never know. For many to jump to solid conclusions is very irresponsible. Thank you for always staying true to yourself and for not following popular hype around ancient sites like this ❤

[@etunimenisukunimeni1302]

Absolutely love this stuff! Thank you for sharing your images and findings and thoughts about these pieces of ancient history. It's incredible to try to reach your mind back to those early, early days when people just like me lived in such a different world altogether. It might have been the same Earth, but the world you live in is much more than the rock you walk on ❤

[@helenamcginty4920]

At 10:15 you were right 1st time. The picture on the right is part of a porthole. These were set into the rooves. As at Catalhuyuk entry to the homes and communal areas was via the roof. I think it was last year (2023) that careful excavation of the debris showed voids left by rotted roof beams. As there were slots on top of the T pillars that suggested they supported a roof this is confirmation. Along with the portholes of course.

[@Crecganford]

This is interesting, I shall try and find further information about this.

[@Thomas_H_Sears]

The puts on the top of the pillars could have been anchor points for roofing. Perhaps

[@LEGOWENTV]

Great video. Thanks going through all the pillars. Very cool.

[@MrFlamoose]

Hey Crec, I like this format! I really enjoy the stories you tell, but this blend into the more popular archeology is cool. I want to hear your cohesive opinion on ancient archeology sites in relation to much, much older myths which inform the creation of these places! Slainthe

[@Crecganford]

Thank you for the feedback, my next video will be another opinion piece which you may enjoy.

[@sturlaellingvag9661]

Great video, mate! 👏👏

[@Crecganford]

Thanks Sturla!

[@CLoveR52806]

Many of the images that included bent knees, combined with the angle of the animal, gave me the impression of movement. I also lean into the idea that these images are tied to stories that we'll never know. I continue to hold space for the possibility of astrological alignment, but I'm curious, not adamant.

[@Crecganford]

Yes, that is the fascinating thing, we may never know for sure and they'll probably always be arguments for opposing views.

[@BigSnipp]

"Today, were going to go back 10 to 12 thousand years in the past." So something recent, I see.

[@chengkuoklee5734]

Myths are collective memory of ancient past. It is a window for us to better understand how our ancestors perceive the cosmos.

[@goeegoanna]

Most fascinating, thank you.

[@vks3719]

Great video! Thank you Jon for your efforts and thoughts. I definitely agree that pillar 43 does not depict handbags - the key indicator of typical handbag iconography, funnily, is the hand that holds the handbag (as opposed to a disembodied free floating bag x3). I also agree that hunting was central to these folk and would take it a step further to suggest that G.Tepe was a hunting school - for instance, pillar 1, to my untrained and unlearned eye, looks more like a net being cast on the ram. Following from this, I find your view on pillar 43 depicting possible game that are near the dwellings compelling - perhaps the rest of the pillar 43 has a temporal element - i.e. when (which seasons) would particular animals be readily found.

[@Crecganford]

Thank you for that feedback and your thoughts, they are always appreciated.

[@colleens1107]

Ooh hour long vid on Oldest temple? Hell yeah!

[@elizabethmackay4590]

Fantastic video Thankyou for sharing 🙏

[@Crecganford]

Thank you so much for taking the time to comment such kind words, they are appreciated.

[@matthewbecker7389]

I haven't been able to shake the feeling that a lot of the carvings at gobekli were done during a time of incredible hardship, or more precisely, famine. The amount of energy put into the site almost speaks of a certain desperation, and the disproportionate amount of imagery depicting dead animals, rib cages, hands on stomachs...clearly speaks to me of a very rough period. However, the representations of the phallus would also indicate an urgent need to keep procreating, especially in the face of mass starvation. Whatever the case, i dont think it was all sunshine and lollipops for the humans at this time.

[@Crecganford]

Yes, I always thought the images of people here were more on the thin side, deliberately so. Not because it was a preference, but maybe because of hard times.

[@HighWealder]

Or done when they had some spare time.

[@TheAdeybob]

34:10... _"the hungry leopard will take your kill"_

[@bengarver8155]

Thanks!

[@Crecganford]

Wow, thank you so much, your support is truly appreciated.

[@monkeywrench2800]

Always presented at Tea Time, but for my it is whiskey hour! Still love it all the same... always brilliant!

[@Crecganford]

Yes, I'm partial to the odd whiskey myself.

[@Liam-B]

There is great tragedy in losing our past. In seeking it, great beauty. If we can find our past then we can find our future!

[@pauljensen6075]

Question: Since we know how to date myths and also their corresponding human migratory patterns, would we then be able to get an idea of what myths may have been present in the area at the time? If so, could we then focus in on those mythemes the iconography seems to indicate such as: coming of age, the hunt, twins, dragons/rain snakes, etc? If so, we may be able to obtain a rough sketch of what stories the iconography seems to suggest. Also, it occurred to me that the ball the vulture is playing with could be BOTH the head of the decapitated man AND the sun. Just some thoughts. Anyway, excellent and informative video as always... Thank you!

[@AncientWildTV]

As humans migrated, they encountered new landscapes, challenges, and other groups, leading to adaptations in their mythologies. Artifacts, cave paintings, and oral traditions can provide context for dating myths? I think but not really much detail

[@Crecganford]

Yes, although dating myths is not that specific without further context, although we could certainly understand the motifs being said. I just need more data and then I maybe able to present a more solid case of the specific motifs told here at this time,

[@ianhenk]

I love how the automatic subtitles turn the aurochs into orcs. Gives all this a whole different meaning. :)

[@TheAdeybob]

I think 'teeth bared' = death grin. Also...those nine snakes look more like a net to me. I know they weren't true pastoralists, but likely herding had gone on a long time before fences...but anyone who's tried to catch a sheep that don't want to be caught knows how useful a net would be.

[@Crecganford]

I agree it can look like a net, but there are snake like heads at the bottom of their bodies, plus why would they draw a net on a pillar? I think, for now, that they are probably snakes.

[@TheAdeybob]

@@Crecganford I can dig that

[@dominikparac6725]

Another pro-snake argument, at least on the pillars shown, I don't recall that any of them had depiction of hunting or tools used for hunting/herding

[@lindsayheyes925]

Gobekli Tepe... A Sheelagh-na-Gig. I didn't expect that. She features on Kilpeck Church, not far away from me (nice pub nearby).

[@peteroland5389]

Sir, I understand that this is out of the blue, however you have a great voice. Have you ever thought about doing voice overs? I believe you would be a natural and quickly a favorite. Might I suggest you contact the podcast, "Midnight Burger". I am of the opinion that you would be very welcome, and very popular. Your own channel is good, but I believe you have a great opportunity for general acting that I as a listener would hate to miss. Please consider it.

[@Crecganford]

Thank you for your feedback, and many people say they fall asleep to my voice. I'll look at the Midnight Burger and see what it is about.

[@dandan3413]

The figure of the "excited" man at Sayberg tepe looks like the same pose as the Urfa man statue

[@Crecganford]

Yes, and I may talk about that link in a future video, I just need more data before I can do so.

[@gpjennett9819]

Snakes! Lots and lots of snakes! - Homes and communal places dug into the ground would likely be attractive places to snakes.

[@bardmadsen6956]

The Pillar SW of Pillar 31 has a "Fox" aflame making it more probable a Dragon. Just a number of ducks under Pillar 18, there is a mock-up in the museum, yet they muddied those also. I have a roof and think a lot about the sky. I'm convinced my conclusion is correct with my previous post.......

[@ajkaajka2512]

Amazing, lots to see, I loved looking at the pictures and listening to your describtion and explanation, I didn't even realise it was one hour long :) 24:19 if they are snakes, on the botom there is a two headed snake :D - head 3 and 4 share the same ''body'' or one head is extra... (I've seen this image a million times and I just notices it now) 43:43 could it be we are looking at a circle of life here? Old animal dies, young one is born - life goes on. Or the big one died protecting the young one, again life goes on. also the crudeness of this carving (and some other one later) could be like you said, the skill of carving was lost, or it is older. Or it could also be done in a hurry after some event or maybe it is just a scetched outline and the carving was never finished... About the bend legs, I see they are bend but do we also see somewhere animals with straight legs? I think some of the birds have straight legs, what about the others. They could be all dead or maybe that is just how they carved legs?

[@Crecganford]

These are all possibilities, we may never know for sure, it is fascinating to actaully see all these symbols, this art, and ponder what was going on 10,000 years ago.

[@helenamcginty4920]

Have you seen the 2023 video by The Prehistory Guys of their 3 day visit. The 1st leg of a marathon journey from Gobekli Tepe to Stonehenge. Well worth a look.

[@Crecganford]

Yes, I follow them when I can.

[@helenamcginty4920]

You dont need to go out of the UK to find hunters being bloodied at their 1st fox hunt.

[@Pressure_23]

Excellent as usual. My question: there is a preponderance of male / phallic imagery and hunter / prey celebration imagery, also potentially masculine (but not necessarily). There are some female images but seemingly fewer. Does this indicate that the Tepe culture was patriarchal, following the model that the transition from hunter gathering to agriculture / sedentary lifestyles tended to privilege male strength by enabling control of an economic surplus? Or is there more “female” “meaning” within these monuments? I am not sure: perhaps the very existence of and shape of the monuments represented female / reproductive power, with male hunter initiation taking place within that matrifocal context? I suspect the picture is quite complex. I would be very interested in your thoughts and I would like to see a video from you on how the evolution of mythology might represent the emergence of patriarchy.

[@Crecganford]

I think it suggests that the males were probably deciding what images would be carved, and so could suggest a male lead society.

[@lesliewells-ig5dl]

Thanks for anotner really interesting video!!!

[@Crecganford]

And thank you fro watching and taking the time to comment, it is appreicated.

[@lesliewells-ig5dl]

@@Crecganford You are very welcome! I watch all your videos and they are always fascinating!!

[@mikemunsil]

Thank you!

[@kaitnip]

Can't find it now, but I've seen another vid that made a compelling argument that these are not snakes but eels - or at least that some of them are eels. I just have to remember on what channel. And if they are eels then these creatures shown in a channel would mean they are swimming in a river.

[@ellen4956]

I said the same thing earlier. It's just a theory of course. And eels don't have heads like that. If a snake has a head shaped like an arrowhead, it's likely poisonous. But whatever these are, they are not shown with teeth, so it's hard to say. I think when eels come out to go up river, it would be a strange sight to anyone, but especially during a time when they were hunting animals to live.

[@Crecganford]

Yes, they could be, although the distinctive head, makes me feel they are more representative of a snake. Eel heads tend to be the same width as the body,

[@CristianRM95]

Before watching the video, do you mind if ask if you discuss the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis? Taking into account that there are papers published about this topic surrounding Gobleki Tepe (e.g., Sweatman, 2022. Representations of calendars and time at Göbekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe support an astronomical interpretation of their symbolism). Thanks for the video!

[@Crecganford]

I am aware of the YD period, and its impact of migration and climate, particualrly across Eurasia and the Near East. I don't discuss it here, but have discussed it in other videos; this video is purely about the symbology found.

[@finncc]

Do you think these pictograms could be related to astrology/constellations at all? first thing i thought of when i saw the bull, 2 leopards and the man (orion?) between them. love your content anyway! ❤

[@Crecganford]

I couldn't see anything that aligned the images to the stars, it doesn't mean it wasn't, but I can't evidence it.

[@recursr1892]

Thanks for going inplace and sharing this firsthand experiences with us. For sure, more digestion will come, looking forward to it- as one comment mentioned -please let us know what was known about the migrations at this time and what your myth database would support for this symbols and with what confidence level. The idea with transition from ancestors to gods (civilization) is a likely trace. But many, many animals present here, extremely important somehow-may be animistic representations of groups, ancestors, forces? Your deep experience with native cultures will give further insights-what a.e in comparison to ice age siberians? What role had the fox there or the wolf? Yep, more will come! 😃👍

[@recursr1892]

- I miss yet the geobiological input- we are after the younger drias period- wasn't that a warming period, delivering rich growth of animal herds and plants in this area? That would explain, why hunter/gatherers finally can build longer term stable settlements, no? Then it would have been a period of growth and fertility. - The twins: Yes that's an interesting thesis to prolong the twins from indoeuropean times to Göpekli Tepe..however no double human imprints have been found on the double pilars, nor double animals, or similar animals as fox/wulf, no? I am fascinated by this double pilars. Did you see at 22:30 all this double pilars point basically the same direction ? the long X-axis is not necessary for static reasons, even if you have just short branches available for the roof- an engineer would just use 2 separate, rough pilars to overcome short branches- but here, with high efforts, 2 plates have been flattened- with the tools of the time, imagine. Just to get them flat and parallel. This was very important to them, and always the same gap width and direction so it had a meaning to them. May be this was the direction of their origin, or a star prominent at that time, or where they wanted to move to ? It also is so abstract for a culture that otherwise is very concrete, animistic, and has few abstract symbols. May be it was a further development of the stone age pattern for tombs- 2 sideplates and a roof plate- but the roof plate has gone here, why ? Did they want to show the stars, was it an open roof ? So many ideas are possible at this stage, looking forward to further clues. Very inspiring.

[@lindsayheyes925]

Sayburc... the first image does indeed look like a "blooding" ritual. In my lifetime, British fox-hunters used to cut the brush off a fox and rub it on the noses of any novices present (usually children). However, in the Trobriand Islands, a building was collapsed onto a copulating couple at the moment of orgasm - and onanism was part of Ancient Egyptian ritual.

[@althyk]

I guess it was a map where to hunt the animals and best ways to do so with tools, etc.

[@robinbiddlecombe9202]

This may be sacrilgeous, but I drink coffee while I watch your videos.

[@Crecganford]

This is fine, the video is about sites in Turkey, and the Turkish love their coffee. I did try some, but despite its unforgettable taste remain a tea drinker.

[@amazinggrace5692]

Gasp! Coffee makes me barf. Lifelong tea drinker.

[@woodsyshroomer]

Thanks for the great content.

[@Crecganford]

And thank you for watching, and taking the time to comment. It is appreciated.

[@yosoyyohoy]

The testicle thing is probably true, in Spain we still it them nowadays, they are served in bars and restaurants. But I think it goes more with Nim, the Egyptian God

[@helenamcginty4920]

I think you mentioned drinking tea sonewhere? I watched an older video conversation by Flint Dibble yesterday and his partner on that said that research into the surface sedimentation on some large basins showed signs of fermentation. Seems like they might have drunk a very low alcohol beer.

[@Crecganford]

Yes, I believe there is evidence to suggest this. Although this may not have been a deliberate process, just contamination of water and grain allowed such things to happen.

[@Neenerella333]

There is a cave painting in Hueco Tanks State Park in Texas, that most of us called the "porno cave". The imagery sounds very much like the first image, along with bighorn sheep and deer imagery.

[@paulrharrell]

Is there a theory that the symbols may represent clans? I doubt there will ever be much certainty to any social conclusions from the sites but perhaps if there was a pattern to the symbols found in the dwelling, maybe that would suggest clan symbology?

[@Crecganford]

Something like this crossed my mind, with certain enclosures having more of a particualr animal type than others, and so were they for different sets of people? We may never know, but it is an interesting thought.

[@feralbluee]

43:26 Some of the snakes really look like they’re two-headed. . . On the top head you can see the tongue, but I can’t see it on the bottom one. But definitely, snake tails are not head shaped. Also, the heads are triangular, which means they were venomous. I do wonder why there are no women and hardly any (or no) female animals. After all, life is created by women. Is only hunting important? Are women completely passive and only the men active in the sexual act? // At the end you mention keeping the people safe, which, of course the men did - women took care of the children! This is extremely important. Like - Duh! 🤦🏻‍♀️:) What a difference in later civilizations, where there are pictures of women and important female gods! It seems very strange to me. Great lecture, John. Really enjoyed the petroglyphs and the knowledgeable theoretical explanations. Fascinating stuff. :) 🤔🪿🐍🐕🐃🐆🌷🌱

[@tiffanym1108]

Could the roofs be stone or clay? Those marks on top of the pillars reminds me of something called scoring when putting 2 clay pieces together. It helps them "stick" together better.

[@Crecganford]

The "special purpose" buildings do not evidence this, but do have wooden poles. But I agree that the dips maybe there to aid construction and build.

[@motjuste8549]

Pillar 43 seems to have two H symbols in a particular context. I wonder if there is any meaning of the symbol to be gleaned here. I've seen discussions of those lines depicting a calendar of months and days. Perhaps the H symbols are related to that. One H is upright, and the other is prostrate. I'm not sure which is which. The animal-like symbols next to them seem to be referencing the h symbols as well. There's a lot to unpack there.

[@ellen4956]

Doesn't it look like there's more on pillar 33? It looks like there are some shapes possibly worn down. Also, I've heard it suggested that the snake - like figures could be eels, because eels hibernate and come out of the ground in spring, going towards water. The land could have been more wet than dry at the end of the ice age, when these were carved. Vultures sun themselves in the morning when the sun is first up, and I've heard it suggested that is what the vulture on pillar 43 is doing. If people were in there with a roof on top, maybe they made pictures of the springtime, when food was abundant for hunter-gatherers. Another animal on the pillars is a spider. I didn't see it in these pictures, but there is at least one.

[@Crecganford]

That is an interesting point, could the snakes be eels? There was certainly water around the Tepe's, and this maybe the case. Although, for me, the distinctive heads of the snake carvings suggest they're more snake like than eel like.

[@Jackkalpakian]

Pillar 22: The snakes are an early form of the vishap, associated with water in rivers and canals.

[@ArielRyanBautista1313]

The H may be a T pillar with base, representing support, strength, someone who is in charge of the thing...

[@Nancy_S68]

I like to keep things simple. The dead animals, the dangerous predators, the variety of animals, a few selections of snakes and vultures. This is the animal landscape. The dangerous animal landscape. Some are food that will feed many. Some must be killed in large numbers to feed a community. I would say it is about life and community. On the other hand, maybe it’s a memorial for those killed by the dangerous animals. The ones they went after and brought back to the community so everyone could live and a representation of the animal they were hunting and killed the one being memorialized. Maybe John is right and these are where stories were told and acted out. That is a simple explanation for me.

[@fossilfish786]

The fox pelt on the belt I believe is covering male genitalia, so the Piller represents a male and female as you said.

[@Crecganford]

Yes, I think so, but I would like to see more evidence supporting this before I would conclude this with confidence.

[@lizzidpeepole]

Let's Go!

[@Thomas_H_Sears]

Could the handbags be a later misinterpretation of the domed buildings - and represent domesticality/safe harbor in later depictions. Of course, COULD, is there any reason to believe that other than, "Hey, I thought of this"?

[@prunabluepepper]

Modern people often over interpret that ancient pictures show rituals. What we forget is that life back then was a struggle for efficiency. The easier you survive the better. People were thinking practical. Ancient Pictures show how to be efficient and how to master life. It's not all religious.

[@Crecganford]

But that view could be argued as a modern view as it doesm't take into account that people may have thought that everything was sacred, which is a view held by may scholars, things were done deliberatley, and if they're sacred, there would be ritual, and if there is ritual, there would be myth.

[@prunabluepepper]

@@Crecganford your right, many scholars believe that people of ancient times thought that everything was sacred. That belief comes from the early days of archeology when western archeologists were themselves deeply biased towards religion. And it's a very sticky belief.

[@OffRampTourist]

Must watch this on the bug screen. I'll be back.

[@TheDanieldineen]

Iontach!

[@johncreighton1194]

The Last Natufian KZbin channel has the answers.

[@MrBlazingup420]

There are 3 baskets on pillar 43, look up towards the pole star, you see 3 baskets, the Big and Little Dippers, between them, the basket shaped head of Draco.

[@Crecganford]

I guess you didn't watch the video?

[@MrBlazingup420]

​@@Crecganford I'm at 1:03:33 at the moment, I believe you said the were homes with round top roofs. The head of Draco and the first curl was associated with Damu the Sumerian dying and rising vegetation god called the Swine or Pig, the Little dipper was associated with a wolf or dog, the ancient Greeks called it "The Dog's Tail", Cynosura (originally Κυνόσουρα in Greek). the Big Dipper was associated with the leg of a Bull, the Leg of the Bull was the father of Cynosura, known as Wepwawet, his name means "Opener of the Ways". he is seen riding a Plow, which is another name of the Big Dipper. Damu was the son of Pabilsag, whose name means "Chief Ancestor", seen as Sagittarius, damu means Blood, brother and relative, in Sumerian, Sah means Pig, Sahu means Boar, those were the Egyptian names for Orion. The handle could be seen as them going around the dome of the northern sky, they did think there was a hidden world behind the spinning pole star, it's where Taweret or Reret (Sow) keeps Seth the god of Chaos chained in Egyptian myology, Taweret was seen as Draco and Ursa, she is a hippopotamus, seen as a water pig, with limbs of a lion, Mistress of the horizon, Mistress of of pure water, goddess of rebirth. I just see something else than you is all.

[@MrBlazingup420]

​@@Crecganford When you get to the rest of my comments, you'll see, I know what I'm talking about, in Sumerian Gal means Great, but it also means Cup, do you know why? In Irish, cup-la means Twin.

[@dearfuturepeople1808]

I wonder if the one at Saburq is actually one of the first male castration rituals?

[@Crecganford]

It maybe the first reprersentation of it, although I think the ritual itself may have been going on for sometime for it to be so prominent in the imagery of these sites.

[@juliaconnell]

I have followed your channel since it's inception. enjoyed the myth aspect. have a post grad degree in history, planning to go back & complete thesis. "supporting the Real Archaeology Weekend" - ummm ok.... (?) "hunter gatherers" - really? seriously?!? disappointed that - of ALL PLACES - Gobekli Tepe - which *in itself IS irrefutable evidence which completely disputed 'established history/timelines* - same old outdated thinking & narratives. just pushed everything back a 'few years' right? - same old, same old. "Today we are going to go back 10,000 to 12,000 years in the past, to visit Southeastern Turkey, and the rise of settlements. You see, at this time we see humans starting to transition from wandering hunter gatherers to settled hunter gatherers, and this is a step towards eventually domesticated crops and animals, and so farming. And this transitionary period between the wandering hunter gatherer and farming leaves us with many questions. These people couldn't write and tell us what they were doing, much of the organic materials at these sites has disappeared. But what we are left with are stone carvings, images" from your transcript. I heard you out for the first 15 minutes or so - so I have not heard the rest. I need some rest. I have no issue with what I have heard in the first 15 minutes or so. just disappointed that there seems to be some agenda here - 'real' Archaeology?? last I heard/saw ALL Archaeology at Gobekli Tepe had been halted - indefinitely. yes the people - the primitive 'stone age' people who *carved complete & complex images into stone* - into a massive complex of stone images which was subsequently and *deliberately* _covered_ - thereby preserving the timeline - made it *irrefutable evidence* which completely disputed 'established history/timelines' - but no, _STILL_ roaming primitive stone age hunter gathers 🤔😐

[@1331423]

Is your post grad in Facebook history? Maybe stop getting your info from Jimmy Corsetti

[@lindsayheyes925]

Pits atop T-pillars. They bear some resemblance to the african gameboard for Mancala. By using different-valued tokens, Mancala can be used as a Computus for the Ancient Egyptian praxis of mathematics - which Thoth seems to have used for intercalation. The Game of St Peter is also used for that purpose, particularly in connection with the Wind-rose which was used for tide prediction in medieval coastal navigation. So maybe a computus should be considered, especially if it's thought that the rooves were a late addition to 'blind' pillars. A blind pillar at Saxlingham had a maze on top with a statuette of a centaur standing on it, out of sight from ground level.

[@AncientWildTV]

Are there any evidence supports the idea that T-pillars were used as computational tools in ancient cultures?

[@lindsayheyes925]

@@AncientWildTV It's a query. Cup-and-ring marks appear on megaliths but there is no evidence that I know of to indicate them having been used in that way. However, when studying History of Mathematics, it immediately struck me that the Mancala board could be used as an analogue of the written arithmetic method illustrated on the Rhind Papyrus. It could be used in the field in the absence of the usual tools and materiel used by a scribe. Vernacular computi and calendars can be very difficult to recognise: A pentagram adjacent to a small spiral would have potential to predict three occasions of syzygy from a lunar eclipse - but few would recognise their coincidence as a computus (if that conjectured pairing exists at all).

[@joyful-dc9gn]

The two rules of thumb, I personally use to evaluate things of the past they are simple and possibly simplistic the first one is , We perceive that's a hard fact but what we perceive is not a hard fact of the same kind. The second is everything is nothing more than a description. So what we perceive and what we attempt to describe are nearly always colored by our own taste developed through our education and beliefs . these simple statements don't necessarily give much help. I for one don't believe that the people who built this place were worshipping animals or anything thing else they may have been doing what we do today, we build schools to educate the youth and archive our findings like we do with museums . I do not believe that people were much different today than then. And more than likely the use of carvings or rock art or even oral stories can be nothing more than symbolic logic of the day. Two other ingredients to this picture is that people of the past that we share is the practice of daily practicalities . the other is our free time spent wondering WTF. Maybe just maybe we are asking the same questions that they were, like where is here, and what do we know. And like today we may be simply asking the wrong questions . P.S. It is and always has been in or nature to ask why ! Someday we may know 😊

[@AncientWildTV]

What are some of the “wrong questions” we might be asking about ancient cultures that you mentioned?

[@joyful-dc9gn]

@@AncientWildTV I think primarily it's our assumption that people of the past were somehow less than we are today. One must ask the right question in order to arrive at the right answer. I guess what I'm eluding to is that reason may be to sluggish to acquire the answers and we may have to rely on other types of cognition which we do posses but have fallen into disuse as reason began to take shape and hold. Its is very difficult to describe what I am suggesting. Simply experience directly without the intervention of thought. Here's a common attribute of reason, we place things into streams of like items,, spoon fork knife ect. That's great for the activities of the daily but when it comes to the unanswered questions of the past. Well we probably may have to simply focus our awareness on that time and observer without bias

[@Crecganford]

That's a great question, and I feel questions that do not consider the mindset of people back then. The problem is, what was their mindset? We can make educated guesses, but will never really be 100% sure.

[@DJWESG1]

So they were toffs? Preparing their kids for th fox hunt? Rubbing the blood in their face? Or eating the dears balls?? Could be, toffs is toffs.

[@slumpighet]

I've had it with these mf snakes on a mf pillar! :P

[@anvilbrunner.2013]

Do yourself a favour dear. Have a listen to a bit of Ammon Hillman the classical philologist. He likes to read ancient Greek texts. He's quirky, a bit odd, but he's brighter by far than any other archaeologist on the scene. Including your good self. Further insights guaranteed, less guessing less supposition Facts about ancient religion / pharmacology will burst all the delulu bubbles. Guaranteed satisfaction. Check him out you wont regret it.

[@astronomusedallas2152]

astronomy

[@kurtstahlhelm]

The king and queen of the purest class of people sacrificed their most beautiful child so he could be reborn again within the circle of the family in first pregnant member of family achieving immortality and again life on earth in that same circle of heavenly family on this earth, this act is is the holiest of holiest in that place in time, all other theories are wrong. Göbekli Tepe is holy ground.

[@Crecganford]

But you need to be able to evidence this.

[@kurtstahlhelm]

@@Crecganford yes, I know, I don't have physical material evidence unfortunately. it's impossible

[@NilsExp]

Umm, what "secrets" have you "uncovered" in this?

[@Crecganford]

Ummm, watch the video.

[@JM-hr4xp]

Thanks!

[@Crecganford]

Thank you so much for the support, it is appreciated.

[@lbarker122851]

Thanks!

[@Crecganford]

Thank you so much, your support is appreciated.